Your Choice Of Weapons, Are They Practical?

What planet are you living one????
And just where does that stuff happen??????
22.5 years as a police officer, shot at three times at least, lost track of the knife attacks and
physical assaults, 3 concussions, back broken four times, at least 13 serious injuries and NEVER,
NOT ONCE did I fire a gun at another human.
Neither did any of the 52 men on my department.
I recall ONE police shooting in the entire area and that was AFTER the officer was himself
shot.
Your comment is sour, inappropriate and INSULTING!
My backs been broken 4 times.
I endured NINE MONTHS of EXCRUCIATING pain in physical rehab learning to walk
again.
Three concussions, both knees wrecked, right knee is a stainless steel implant.
13 serious injuries, disabled at age 48, and I NEVER wanted to shoot anyone.
NO! I didn't sit around moaning and peeing in my Wheaties.
I went to college at age 48, at 53 graduated with 2 degrees and retired again from G.M.

 

By the way LilSoldierGirl I did know a deputy that did kill an armed robber that shot the
the deputy.
The deputy killed the guy. A year later he had to take a piddling medical retirement
because of the trauma of taking a life.
A year after that he committed suicide.
In my area we were taught NOT to kill.
Two of my men were both SHOT. The vest saved them.
They did NOT return fire. Communications were established and the bad guy talked
into surrendering.
I had people in my sights more than a few times and just could not shoot.
It worked out anyway.
"Thank you God."

I've seen the worse of the worse.
I've assisted in seven autopsies.
How 'bout you?

Really. People that open mouth and insert both feet amaze me.
It amazes me because those people have concrete for brains.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

There are those who condemn Chicago cops for no longer engaging in proactive policing. Me, were I a cop, I wouldn't put my life at risk to keep the savages from killing each other. If the knuckle-draggers annihilate each other, then pray tell, how is that not Evolution 101.

There are plenty of productive, civilized people in North America. Such good people should never be pulled down one whit due to the mayhem caused by the genetic throwbacks.

The only proactive behavior that could ever prove truly effective in restoring civilization would be to go into inner cities in mass force and wipe-out the gangs. Any of them that survived should then be sent to labor camps in profoundly isolated areas, or better yet islands. Tattoo their foreheads. Any resistance in the labor camps should result in their becoming possum food or shark food. Maybe some of the younger ones could be salvaged, who knows, but civilized people should never be put in danger attempting to salvage any of them.

 

That was an awful thing to post.
IT WAS ALSO TRUE! It's a shame but TRUE.

No amount of civil treatment will change these people.
Change must come from within and the don't have the spirit within to change.
A man was walking though a woods at night and it was getting cold.
A voice said, "pick me up I'm cold." The man saw a rattlesnake pleading to pick it up and save
it from death.
The man replied, "No! You're snake and you will bite me."
The snake begs, " I surely would not bite a kind man for saving my life."
The man thinks, "That makes sense to me and it's the kind thing to do."
The man puts the snake inside his coat to warm it.
The snake bites the man over the heart.
The man exclaims, " You BIT me! Now I'll die. How COULD YOU?"
The vermin replies, " You knew I was a snake when you picked me up."
A snake is a snake, is a snake,....................................

 

Here is another useful analogy, I believe. The physician receives the x-rays and the biopsy; both show that the tumor in a little girl's leg is indeed an invasive cancer. The poor child is a dancer and hopes to make a career of dance. The surgeon tells the family and the child that the leg must be removed to save her life.

How horrible! Such is tragic beyond words!

Yet the value of the child's life outweighs any concern about her leg. Such is the reality of the situation.

Not too long back, there was an armed robbery by local felons against a couple of students living on the local university's campus. I tell a Democratic Socialist about the robbery. He says, "These things happen." In my mind, such an attitude of acceptance of being a member of a victim class is a proximal cause of the felonies being perpetrated.

Actively allowing oneself to become a victim guarantees that another citizen will be attacked. Always fight back. It is the evil doers who must be the ones living in perpetual terror. Destroy the will of the bully to go on living.

 

I've taken over 50 deer with a shotgun that was equipped with a scope and almost ALL were running
as fast as they could.
Not a problem.
Perhaps I did well on running game because I grew up hunting ducks with a single shot
20 gauge. A Winchester M-37 Red label. Boy do I wish I had that one back!
It was "do it right or miss".
Oh! And I did miss a lot 'till I figgered out how to lead 'em.
My favorite shotgun was an 870 Express in 28 gauge with Winchester "magnum" loads of
one ounce of #6 lead.
This when lead was still legal.
Stinkin' steel shot sucks.
I quit hunting waterfowl.
$25 bucks for a State hunting license, then a Federal water fowl stamp then a State water fowl stamp
then steel shot.............................bah!

I even bought legal tungsten shot and man that's expensive.

If it comes down to survival in a shtf situation I'll bag ducks with a .22 rifle.
Sitting of course.
There was the time I shot 3 ducks with one shot and 3 squirrels with one shot.
Hey, dumb luck does happen.

 

Oh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, We don't have those in Ohio.
We have blood suckers on welfare.......................I'd better quit right there. <
Wallabies are in short supply in the States. Too bad as I'd love to see some.

OH! We do have boar. Domestic pigs that have gotten loose and gone feral.
But that's far south of where I live.
I've taken Florida wild boar in past years.

I'd imagine a charging wild boar in the tall grass would be a pucker factor of ten!

Years ago I had an opportunity to hunt wild boar in Tennessee and got charged by a boar that I
surprised by accident.
Scared heck out of me and I just stood there dumbfounded.
Good thing as they can't see for squat and it ran off.
I gathered my wits and dropped in with a Marlin 336 in .35 Remington caliber.

Another good rifle I wish I had back!

Frankly the eating wasn't great.

 

I've always favored the 20 ga for hunting. I'd go 12 ga were I a goose hunter. A 20 ga w/rifled barrel can launch a sabot slug more than accurately enough and fast enough to drop deer consistently. Many hunters in the U.S. use 20s to drop deer -- dead is dead. Go too powerful and you destroy meat.

I like .22 mag rifles, I've got at least three; one is a Henry, like yours. Well, maybe not like yours; mine's a mare's leg w/12" barrel and no buttstock. I put a laser on it and it is one fun weapon to take out and plink with -- it will devastate a frozen 2-liter soft drink bottle of ice. No problem smacking fist-sized rocks out at 100 yards. The wife is way good with it. Point with Mr. Laser and fire. For survival this is a medium-sized dog killer. It's easy to bring 'round in a car or truck and the laser can blind someone temporarily (better watch out or you'll blind yourself). Now I want one in .357. My pap used to shoot critters while driving at night (he'd spotlight them). Stew pot meat. Quite frankly, truth be told, we bought the dang thing because it was so cute. I mean it is seriously super cute. I love its furniture.

I've shot critters with the .22 mag. and it makes a mean wound. I shot a rabbit with a .22 mag rifle I'd just bought; hit it in the shoulder; it turned the rabbit inside out -- way too powerful for small game. Massad Ayoob called the .22 magnum a "nasty little round".

 

20 gauge is awesome.

Sadly I lack one.

I'll have to check my meager finances and see about a 20 bore.

Today, with 3" mag. ammo it'll do about anything a shotgun should be called upon to do.

Frankly the 2 3/4" load with 7/8 ounce of shot is about right for most of my small game hunting.

 

All great rifles gentleman, but I love a good old fashion 12ga pump.

 

Being a retired police officer I really appreciated the Remington 870 police riot gun.

I standardized the riot gun buying new 870 s with rifle sights and sited them in at 50 yards with
slugs.

The snowflake cops among the department hated me!
Recoil.
Before I took over deadly force training and weapons the cops NEVER even handled the freakin' shotguns.
I found riot guns RUSTED, a couple with cigarette butts in the barrels, even french fries.
Extra .38 spl ammo in the crusier glove box were practice wadcutters!!!!
Carry ammo was .38 spl 200 grain round nose Super Police loads by Winchester and they were
ancient!
I traded in the Colt Police Positives and Smith M-10's for Smith M-19's and issued .38 spl. +P
125 grain hollow points.
I created a S.W.A.T. team and bought 3 Ruger H-bar rifles in .308, Leupold 4 X 12 scopes.
Also bought 3 MP-5 sub guns ( 9mm) one suppressed.
I got mega bucks in trade for our only Thompson 1928 civilian sub gun.
Our tear gas ammo was so old it leaked gassing the squad room.
I ordered a new 40 mm gas gun and ammo and had a ball shooting up the old gas ammo
at the range.
'Till the wind blew the gas back at me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's NOT gas but an ultra fine dust.
We had 3 Reising sub guns in .45 a.c.p. Fun to shoot but I traded those off also.
Our "sniper rifle" was a Remington 788 in .222 caliber and no glass.
Got rid of that also.
Eventually I talked the Chief into going to preferred carry as long as the officer could
qualify with the weapon and the weapon met certain standards.
No .22 r.f., .25 auto, but for some a .380 was marginal.
Like our one itty bitty lady officer.
That girl would break a knee cap in a second or screw that .380 up a bad guys nose holes! :>)

Most guys switched to an auto in .40 S&W with 165 grain h.p. ammo.
NEVER think cops are gun people.
They ain't!
Most don't even own a personal firearm and qualifying with weapons is just a p.i.t.a.

Sadly we were all exposed to dangerous and deadly smoke from a chemical fire.
The lady officer died from that 5 months later.
Six firemen died of cancer.
Of the 60 responders in that debacle I'm one of five still alive.
So far.
Oddly all those that got sick from the deadly smoke got an antidote.
And died.
By the time I passed out the e.r. ran out of antidote.
I'm alive, they are dead.
Go figger?
I got smoked but good when some ass set our jail on fire.
I "rescued" over 20 people that were in our jail waiting for bond.
Darn near killed me.
I spend a short time in the hospital for smoke poisoning.
Got a commendation and "Policeman of the year" for that.
I'd just as soon NOT have gotten those things.
It might have been better not to have gotten sick in the first place.

I've seen soooooooooo much death and suffering. I'd rather not remember it all.

 

When hunting big game (to include humans), the 12 is superior to the 20. Hunting big heavy stuff with a 20 requires slugs. Slugs out of a 20 are more powerful than a .44 mag and with a flatter trajectory. Many experienced deer hunters have gone to the 20 ga using a rifled barrel and firing sabot slugs; 20 w/rifled barrel = accurate shooting. A 20 slug through the chest = death. A 20 slug to an appendage = amputation. A 20 slug to the guts = disabling injury/shock and rapid bleed-out. A 20 ga shooting birdshot is not as likely to blow through apartment walls, yet at here-to-there range the shot-string is so small that it acts like a slug on a human (doctors report horrific injuries).

One manufacturer's data:
http://www.hornady.com/store/20-GA-SST-Slug-250gr-SST/

Under the category "Strange", we have the [way too expensive] Schrifle:
https://www.tarhunt.com/20ga-schrifle-new-20ga-slug-round-rifled-barrels-tarhunt/

http://www.usarmy4life.com/schrifle...oogle1emailtwitterredditpintereststumbleupon/

 

I've taken a number of Ohio whitetail deer with a smooth bore shotgun and slugs when
only that and muzzle loaders were allowed.

 

For me; Heckler & Koch HK45, MK12, and as a back up, the new AK12.

 

For purely survival, not fighting humans it's the .22 long rifle cartridge
in a rifle.
Ruger's 10-22 is reliable and accurate.
Mine was stripped of everything but the receiver and all the rest after market
parts.
Shilen match grade barrel, Jard trigger group, adjustable stock, etc.
Utterly reliable and super accurate.
Good ammo is a must but it will shoot about any .22 l.r. ammo plenty
good enough.
I also have nice older Remington 500 series bold action .22's.
A .22 rifle is easy to carry, and one can carry hundreds of rounds of ammo
with ease.
For anti human animals I have a large number of options from AR's to
long range bolt actions.
My Remington 700 in .300 Win. Mag. will reach out and touched someone
a long way off if need be and take any large game I'm ever likely to encounter.
I have many handguns also, from .22 rim fire to .44 magnum and heavy
loaded .45 Colt.

 

Starting September first I can carry a sword in Texas. They are doing away with all the silly knife laws. Several years ago they made switch blades legal this year it was swords, daggers dirks and big ole Bowie knives that will be cleared for carry. I have a couple that would even impress Crocodile Dundee!! I wonder what they will think at the local convenience store if I come in with a Claymore on my back. That beast is almost 5' long!! It warms the cockles of my little heart when I see a little old man or lady with a handgun on their hip. I think a roman short sword might be just the accessory for my jeans and jacket formal wear!!

 

I like my little .22lr as well, it's all I need. It's silenced, light, easy to use and I can carry 500 rounds without even feeling the extra weight.

 

'swords, daggers dirks and big ole Bowie knives that will be cleared for carry"

Well in my not very humble opinion I'd much
rather carry a firearm.
That being the case, if I weren't allowed to
carry a firearm I'd carry a knife.
I'd prefer an automatic knife, better known
as a switchblade.
If carrying any weapon for defense it's strongly advised to learn it use it properly.

I've seen a number of FATAL knife wounds
and few incapacitated instantly.
Note "incapacitate" vs. kill.
The idea behind armed defense isn't to kill.
When you go to court you'd better be able to use the right words or have some sharp shark
(lawyer) shove those words up your arse!
An example: "I feared for my life (or another's)
and used the _________(whatever weapon)
to stop the actors aggressive actions".
"life, serious bodily harm" work for self defense.
It just so happens I taught court room survival.
I have about 30 certificates to teach in my home state in my field and 2 degrees.
I'm one of those persons declared an
"expert witness" for court room purposes.
That and I'm not even close to being stupid.
I've survived beatings, riots, fires, being shot at
attacked with knives, and broken bottles.
Even had a baby thrown at me!
I can even testify as an expert witness in
traffic mishaps, I'm a trained arson investigator, and know how to defuse improvised explosive devices.
Not that I will, 'cause I won't.
I can create mayhem all by my lonesome.
I won't but I can.
I don't wanna be mean. But I can be if necessary.
I taught the use of revolver, auto loader, shotgun, scoped rifle, sub machine gun
and more.

 

It isn't that these are a good choice for protection. It is that people should have the right to have, carry and use them as long as they do so responsibly and don't hurt or intimidate people with them. In the past it was basically illegal to have a machete in your truck unless you are going someplace to use it right then. That is stupid. I carried one illegally for years because I occasionally used it to clear around an AC unit that I was working on. Laws should be to prevent and punish criminals from using things in harmful ways and NOT to inconvenience and turn honest decent people into criminals.

 

NOT to inconvenience and turn honest decent people into criminals.


Agreed. But try to tell a liberal that.
Impossible to turn a snowflake into a human
ya know.

 

In the end it comes down to common sense. If you have a valid reason to be in possession of a tool that could be used as a weapon then that should not be an issue. It only becomes a weapon if you then use it as one.
The legal argument would then be about premeditation, did you carry the tool with the intent of using it as a weapon or did you use a tool that you happened to lawfully have in your possession(for a valid reason)to defend yourself with?

 

A snowflake story that I happened to be
involved with after the fact.
A man had a very nice looking 15 year old daughter who was a cheerleader.
Some sicko adult male took a shine to her.
He'd follow her home on foot after she left
high school.
She complained to her dad who basically ignored the potentially dangerous situation.
One fine night at about 3 a.m. the molester
turned violent, broke into the kids home and
dragged the girl outside.
The mother fought the criminal like 10 pissed off demons.
And got her butt whipped. Jaw broken.
The father grabbed his Ruger .22 pistol and
threatened to shoot the criminal.
And threatened and threatened and .............
did NOTHING.
Cops responded and beat the criminal half to
death trying to control him.
Seems he was skied on drugs.
The father was, in my opinion, a worthless
snowflake.
Not even close to being a father at all.
Mess with mine, me, you or yours and I'll go into
homicide mode.
I'll not tolerate it.
When I was an officer I treated people as good as they would let me.
Attack me and I became an animal real quick.
Call me any foul name you want.
Touch me and get a trip to the e.r.
I am NOT a bad azz at all.
Just don't lay hands on me.

 

Old thread, but an interesting read anyway.

 

OK my list if the Apocalypse gets here before I am too old, I do not carry now!
2x wiresaws in jacket hems, awesome garrots
2x slim medium size daggers, one in each boot
2x large but light bowie type knives on wide leather belt
2x sawn off 12g pistols single barrel exposed hammer left and right hip
Light and compact .22LR rifle very light and very compact
.223R bolt rifle 26in heavy barrel low power scope and sling
Ontario machete in daysack

1,000rds of .22LR and 500rds of .223R

Practical yes
A stroke means walking great distances is out for me and the above is optimised for that.

 

Not really
I don't carry anything now, don't need to, hope I never need to!
Nothing illegal there either

 

.gov has a list already and even though I am only 150m from a 10 lane highway in a huge urban area very few people can actually find me, sort of hiding in plain sight.

 

LOL LOL LOL......now this is funny....to me...

And this too...

LOL LOL LOL.....

For the last few months I have been handling a lot of U235. and I mean a lot!!! Do you think the government is really worried about me and guns..or me and gunpowder and such an list ?????


Just remember what people who can think outside of the box ..can understand for themselves...no Experts needed to get the correct PC translation.

Any government which will not trust their people to be armed...will never trust their people with something as dangerous as a "Vote."

Now that is something neither the phony Republicans nor the phony Democrats in this nation will ever tell the people...they do not dare. Ishmaelites!!


The British here..did not trust the colonialists with a state of the art smoothbore musket and went door to door searching and seizing said arms.

This is our reason for Amendment 2 and Amendment 4.

Our own government does not trust us with a state of the art rifle or handgun...today.

I thought the British lost the war and left this country!!!???

Think it through to it's conclusion.

Be Warned!!


My non Ishmaelite .02,

Watcherchris.

 

I can't imagine anyone able to actually find out where Mr. Oldguy lives and able to go to where he lives would even bother to take his weapons away from him.

First, it'd be easier to just buy the weapons or steal them from someone closer; and second, why sneak up on someone like Mr. Oldguy who would see you coming first and punch your ticket before you had a chance to punch his?

From time to time, I post at another forum, one comprising a lot more nut-bars than our forum here ever will. Many of the people there, in addition to being borderline psychotic and possibly schizophrenic, are paranoid to the nth degree and believe all sort of crazy conspiracy theories. They simply can't understand how it is that I make my full name and email address available to anyone who asks and will talk to anyone on the phone if they'd like a face-to-face (or phone-to-phone) conversation.

Why do I not buy into their paranoia? Because the real nut-bars who cannot believe I'd give out personal information are probably also afraid that I'm either a Russian shill, government agent, or else a Jesuit Mormon Mason reptoid who will send the "chem-trail" aircraft to spray them when they go out in their back yard to pee!

Face it, folks, nobody is out to get us; the government is not making a note of Mr. Oldguy's knife collection or will send their storm troopers to Kimberly, Idaho to arrest me and sequester my goats and chickens. The whole thing about being a prepper (IMNHO) is to share ideas and experiences with others of the same persuasion so that, when-and-if Hard Times come along, we will all be better prepared and will have made valuable contacts. If things ever do go down, outfits like FEMA (which can't even plan a successful Sunday School picnic) will be up to their crotch in crocodiles and the last thing they'd be interested in is my firearms or Mr.Oldguy's knife collection.

Sheesh.

Hey, if I found out that any of you lived within fifty miles of me, I'd be contacting you for a reloading party with or without the beer.

 

Duncan,

I'm glad you are reminding me...here..this..

I need to get that box out of the floorboard of my car...

I managed to find about 120 rounds of once fired .357 Magnum Brass...across the river at a specific location.

My local source for new Starline brass seems to have dried up...and hence I am going further out for these materials.

Thanks for reminding me.



However....Duncan.....historically speaking...

Governments are not out for the average person who is eaten up with the Kardashains, or the NFL/NASCAR....etc etc. Amusements and distractions.

What Governments tend to look for are people who can think and or conduct themselves outside the box of the "Herd" in which governments like to put or control people.
Translate this as PC culture....feel goodism. People who can see, and conduct themselves outside of feel goodism and PC.

Even worse...much worse...are people who can teach others to think outside that box...and conduct themselves accordingly. Now those people are very dangerous to government.
This group of people have grown significantly since the advent of the internet....
What is much much worse...many of them are voters.

This group of people are often referred to as alt right....and are reflected today among the groups of people being banned by social media.....censorship....singled out by private companies shilling for a political party.
If they get back into power.....you are going to see "lists" compiled big time....if not already.
History has more than demonstrated this tendency of certain groups when they get into power...their insecurities and fears..reflected in trying to rig social structures for power and control.

This is also why much of the public had lost faith in the MSM.

We are about to see this struggle and rigging of our systems for the 2020 election big time..and it is going to be a circus.....under the big top in confusion and chaos. It is the best these groups can do for this country. Chaos.

Do you know the name of the author of confusion.??? By name???
Ishmaelites run amok.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

Here in the UK the Alt Right are identified as hard line ultra nationalist types who wear masks and give Nazi salutes at their rallies, not what I want to be associated with at all.
Like LW I have no intention of discussing weapons but not for reasons of security.
I'm quite sure that most of you have access to better weapons than me so I'm not worried about someone stealing anything.
Any discussion of weapons or premeditated violence can possibly prejudice any future plea of self defence in UK law, I see no reason to chance that.

 

To answer the original question: Your Choice of Weapons, Are They Practical?

Yes, they are. I feel quite comfortable with everything I have. I feel quite comfortable that what I have is what I will need.

 

I don't get a lot of the paranoia in survival forums either. I even think there's some that are actually hoping for a TEOTWAWKI, maybe looking for a societal 'reset' or a 'do over' on life that puts them at the top of the pecking order. I try to prepare for the most likely events, but it is fun to explore the fringes.

That said, if you're only following the FEMA type recommendations (even to an extreme) or have fairly standard hobbies like food canning, raising livestock, or reloading then there's probably little harm it announcing who you are and where you live. If you like to post about your expensive firearm collections or how much cash (or PMs) you have at home, then it might not be so wise. I used to frequent a forum where members often freely posted their ham radio call signs, then on top of listing their own survival preparations (some quite extensive and expensive) in other threads, would tell everyone their vacation plans or when they were going to be out of town.

But personally, said the forum member known only as GateCrasher who signed up with a throwaway email account and uses the TOR browser, I like my anonymity. I can respond freely without having to worry about being burglarized by someone who found me (even accidentally) online, and because some of my survival 'hobby' preparations and skills are less mainstream they are not necessarily what I'd want acquaintances or my employer to know of, nor the county sheriff in a couple cases

As for my weapons, I'd say mine are very practical for my area. A couple compound bows (which I don't practice with enough anymore) and 12 firearms: 3 .38/.357 revolvers (personal defense, I'm a wheel gun fan), 2 shotguns (one 16 ga. for hunting, one 12 ga for home defense), 3 deer rifles (30.06 and .35 Remington), and 4 .22 LRs (plinking and pest control mostly). I guess I would regret not having ARs if we got overrun by Mutant Zombie Bikers in the apocalypse, but I just don't see a great need for them personally.

 

Ystranc...and other members....this....

Stereotyping Ystranc....textbook stereotyping....divide and conquer...division and not unity. Hegelian dialectic...thesis , anti thesis , synthesis....also known as Good Cop/Bad Cop.

I would venture to say that the same Nazi race and division pimps doing this in the UK are secretly doing it here in America.

The social race baiters and pimps from Hollywood to Washington DC are doing the same here in America. This was no more apparent than in the man made Incidents in Charlottesville, Virginia...where someone tried very hard to blame all of America...on the right as the same ...Nazis and racists.

It gets predictable...and very very obvious who are the racists out here. Clearly the ones claiming over and over...racism to the point it has become their political social cottage industry. They must have race and race and more race to solidify their position and "Herd:" the weak minded...to not ever think for themselves but only emote for the political party apparatus...the Herd. The left here in America is heavily dependent on race baiting , and sex and sexuality baiting to keep their faithful properly herded and not ever thinking for themselves...but always reacting and voting their emotions.

Now...Ystranc...I will take this a step further...in saying that the same people who are pimping out race, Nazis, and PC in the UK are doing it here in America with the same goals in mind...to bring this country to it's Knees...as they have done to the UK....with massive PC censorship to where people are afraid to speak their own minds....
They are running the same pattern and or fingerprint in race and racism here as are they in the UK and for the same goals.

Da Tovarich!!!!??

I have heard the PIMPs here in America use and misuse Hitler and the Nazis too many times with predictability ..you can see them coming.....over and over and over ad nauseam.

Want to know who are the socialist Communist/NAZI storm troopers here in America..........ANTIFA.....and they will be returning before this next presidential election to ply their confusion....with zeal. And they clearly work for the leftists/liberals.

They work for the left..while trying to put the blame on the right as if the right are a bunch of racist Nazis.

They are disgusting in the manner they operate and are become predictable as well.

And like true whores and pimps they must need put the onus for their deceit on others and manufacture these others into the next bad guy to keep their faithful within the controlled "Herd."

What I am describing is not freedom and Individual Liberty...it is herding behind the phony two party apparatus...whoredom.

Putting a whole nation and people into their political and social whoredom.

Your own government is whoring out your whole country to PC group think because in many areas they are going after people for speaking their minds...while not doing anything about rampant crime.

Don't worry Ystranc....it will become that stupid here in America too when these same internationalists make us like the rest of the world....like the UK.


We are Americans and not like the rest of the world.

Be warned who are the real Nazis and Communists out here.


For their stock in trade is to spread confusion ..to turn Light into Darkness and Darkness into light.


And I know the name of the author of confusion by name....and he has run amok in the UK and is of the line of Ishmael...and seeking to so do here in America...to make us into Ishmaelites.

Whenever I hear one of our leaders comparing the next manufactured bad guy in the news to Hitler....and Nazis..I automatically know I am supposed to stop thinking for myself and get on the bandwagon with the rest of the drama queen..overly emotional herd...and sing their version of kumbaya. No thanks...I've heard them use/misuse the name Hitler and Nazis too many times to get people properly herded. I don't trust them.


I don't want the media, politicians, nor the phony public education pimps doing my thinking for me. I'll make up my own mind and for my own reasons....not for the "Herd."


Some years back when first I joined this forum...one of the members said it quite well...in the bulls eye....in the X ring....on target.

Your mind is the number one weapon to be used and kept sharp....well honed.



Free...no Cover Charge.


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

I have three 10-22s; they're wonderful rifles. One is just an inexpensive carbine, the second is a take-down with an 18-inch barrel, the third is my "project" rifle. Like every 10-22 I've used, the trigger pull is just about exactly five pounds; how can one get an accurate shot with that? I'd like to get Kidd's 20" black bull barrel and his two-stage trigger, but just those two components are $500 US, twice what I paid for the rifle!

I did buy an expensive trigger for my AR (a Geissele Automatic 2-stage) and it was a great investment, but putting $500 into a $250 gun is a bit steep.

Anyone have any experience with these components -- or have any ideas about a less-expensive trigger and barrel?

 

Here in the States, the socialist media labels all people who support the Constitution as Alt-Right.

Civil war is coming to America. At base minimum, all cities will burn when the economy tanks and government checks turn into toilet paper. In rural areas, outsiders will constantly be under suspicion, or worse. The racial conflict will be hideous -- totally unnecessary, but the Left fanned the flames so here comes the results, a blood-letting. I can see a military take-over happening. Most conservatives will support the military and conservative sheriff's departments. Urban cops are in for raw hell and they'll likely abandon their posts. Homeland Security will get zero respect and if they attempt to confiscate food to be taken to the cities, Heartland America will destroy that food rather than let it be taken. Grain elevators are easily contaminated. And, Heartland America is in NO mood to take in refugees from the scummy inferior cities.

Conservatives in England should leave. As destination, I recommend Canada. Europe and England will NOT be safe in the near future. Long guns are easier to acquire in Canada. Shotgun, deer rifle, .22 rifles -- not a problem. Canada doesn't have the racial problems America has. Canada will remain more civilized than America during SHTF events. Their overgrown cities will be a terror, but not in the vast majority of Canada.

If you live in England and can scrape together the money & resources, get out now.

 

I suspect that this will happen on the Continent of Europe as well. Their governments are every bit as stupid as is the UK government and willing to sell the very souls of their people for political profit....for their masters.

Ishmaelites run amok.

Watcherchris

Not an Ishmaelite

 

I'd say the guns that I have are pretty practical. The hardest choice would be trying to decide which one I'd want to use. That said, looking around the weapons portion of this sight, I'd have to say that most peoples choices are impractical. Seems that a lot seem to choose out dated or antique/ relic firearms. I suppose it's all in how you use stuff, but in my opinion most of the stuff I've seen in this section would fall under the impractical label, but I guess thats just my opinion.

 

So what are your choices and why ?

 

It would really depend on what I was doing at the time, or where I was going.

 

There are several schools of thought going on in this scenario. Imo a well used but still mechanically sound rifle such as a Garand/M1-A has its place. The 30-06 is obviously going to have more punch than a .223 round is. However the .223/5.56 is also going to be lighter and one could carry more. Also true that when it comes to picking up ammo off the battlefield the .223 will probably be more plentiful. The Colt AR-15/M-16 platform is easy to disassemble or fieldstrip for a quick cleaning so it has an advantage there. I think it does depend on the situation and what you need them for. A more modern firearm I don't think is going to be more reliable than older ones but there is also probably less chance of a malfunction. I'd say the weapons of choice that are practical are the ones you already have. In this case it would be my Grandfather's Garand and my uncle's M-16 not to mention the Colt Government Model forty-five semi-automatic.

 

I think in this case we need to define practical. If you mean something that is fairly light and you can carry a lot of ammunition then yes my choices in weapon would fit that definition. If by practical you mean something that is reliable and has some punch again yes. It also would depend on the application and what the intentions are for said choice of weapons. A sharp bush knife or small machete could be just as practical as a handgun. There are some who think .22 LR/short are impractical because they consider the round whimpy and ineffective. Depends on what you are needing to defend against. .22LR can put down a looter or small varmint. A larger caliber such as .303 British, .3o-o6, or .308 Winchester would be practical against larger animals with tougher hides such as feral hogs/havalinas, etc or individuals who are in level 3 body armor.