U.s. States Going To Hell

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  1. poltiregist

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    Many states in the United States are on fire . Homes , businesses and power grids are burning up . A report I got was in a lot of these woodland fires , Democrats are setting the fires with the whacky idea people will blame Donald Trump for the fires . This is the same thinking process many of the communist / democrats have in burning down and vandalizing businesses . I am not 100 % this information is correct on the woodland fires so I thought some of you may have more information on this .
     
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  2. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Poltiregist,

    Much of this thinking is also going on here in this area.

    Yes, it's the same process used by the terrorists re destroying businesses ... think of Wendy's, metro Atlanta ... and memorial monuments such as those of abolutionists.

    Personally, I don't think it matters as to what can be proven. Trump will be blamed for the French Revolution, the Mexican Revolution, the opium wars, the depleting ozone layer, why "You can keep your doctor" didn't work, ...

    What DOES MATTER, at least IMO, is the control of the governmental apparatus assigning land use, zoning, taxes, fire and safety teams, ...

    Matters will be solidified late night election day.
     
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  3. lonewolf

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    Seems to me the whole world is going to hell.
     
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  4. arctic bill

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    Yes it looks like the whole world has gone to hell.
     
  5. watcherchris

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    Nothing new there lonewolf...only the players change....the story remains the same or very very similar....Ishmaelites run wild... Technology only makes it faster to create hell and damnation.


    Watcherchris
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  6. Max rigger

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    The democrats are starting the fires LOL have you any idea how clinically insane that theory is :D

    Couple of folk here would benefit from a universal healthcare system, get checked out for free ;)
     
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      Does not seem to have helped you out any.
       
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  7. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Max,


    If you had properly read the initial post by Poltiregist, you'd understand - hopefully - that the theme was well beyond some arsonists in the woods with a gas can and matches.

    I contributed to this thread mentioning that there's similiar talk in this area.

    A basic view of senior, advanced-level Preppers here is that the 3 Pacific states have Democrat political establishments with forestry and land use policies providing the environment for these fires. Just a superficial look at the too few evac roads compared to the population with houses - and tax accounts - will explain why this type of talk exists.

    Of course the US does not have universal health care. It's a major subject here.

    The US does have some LARGE national health delivery systems in place. The Veterans Health Administration of the Department is the world's largest hospital system.

    I am enrolled in both VA and Medicare.

    They are not "free".

    They both do not deliver needed care.

    You're just not familiar with what's going on here.

    I doubt if NHS allows you to get the best arthritus RX medicine. I'm positive your national mental health programs are inadequate.

    ......

    Meanwhile, if you can't tell the difference between the forestry management of, for example, Bavaria's Black Forest as compared to Brazil's Amazon basin forests management, you can't understand what's going on in the 3 lower-48 Pacific states.
     
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  8. poltiregist

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    I am a bit surprised at the lack of knowledge on this . It appears the Democrat propaganda outlets as well as the more honest news outlets have a story that they don't want released into the public . I will take their lead " at least for the moment " and not throw this information out to the public . If you guys dig it out then , that will be a different matter .
     
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  9. arctic bill

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    every where you looks around the world is not good.
    California fires, hurricanes, politicians on both sides fighting only for what is good for their side not the country or the people.
     
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  10. varuna

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    Whose world? Yours?
     
  11. varuna

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    What do you think the root cause of the large scale forest fire? Is it mismanagement ( gov't negligence), lack of enforcement, or just another stupid member of the public doing something stupid?

    I'm currently looking at overhead from Copernicus. PM 2.5 & PM 10 concentration along northern US West Coast is pretty thick already
     
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  12. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Varuna,

    The root causes (plural) are not mismanagement, doing stupid things, ...... It's a concerted and calculated policy to protect the coastal areas' real estate value and their owners.

    A population is still needed in these states and the fires are on lands allocated to these people. They also pay high taxes.

    The state governments do not allocate funds and resources as one would think. Places like Paradise, California were dangerous. Few roads for evacuation were built. Fire fighting resources - personnel and equipment: minimal.

    Besides the tax programs being rigged, so too was the public utility costs of electricity sold to the users.

    Now add the rigged insurance rates.

    President Trump is changing much of this.

    If invited to Barbra Streisand's Malibu home, recommend besides a smoke mask to have a boat ready for evac.
     
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  13. Max rigger

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    Whats an Advanced level prepper? not seen any here giving prepping advice, just spouting off politics. Not much in the way of 'survival' knowledge talked or shared. At the moment this forum consists of a small cadre of regular posters who talk nothing of prepping and thats why we're not getting new members. I'd bet this site gets a lot of hits and people come and look but don't come back; even the last post of something prepping related, small batteries turned racial. Need to shake up your ideas folks, maybe set up a dedicated politics section and encourage more prepping and survival info in other sections.
     
  14. Rebecca

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    The simple answer is if you want advice on a prepping topic start a thread and ask a question.
    If you feel there is a deficiency in the topics discussed you can be part of the solution by starting conversations on specific survival related topics.

    The reality is that "small cadre of regular posters" are advanced and we don't think to give each other tips on storage of one weeks worth of food for example. We are far far beyond that. But if a person asks a question, even a basic one, I have seen everyone on here endeavor to help them out as much as possible.

    There is also the other side to consider: politics always have the possibility to cause an SHTF event be it local or global. It's not only mother nature with that ability. Look at what Venezuela's politics did to them. The peppers in Venezuela have had the world as they know it end and a new much worse one begin. So if the Americans amoung us are concerned about their political happenings then leave them to discuss it, is my opinion.
     
  15. Sourdough

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    I would appreciate any information you might have about other forums where I could learn more about prepping and survival type things. Please.
     
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  16. Dalewick

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    I have friends out west fighting the fires. It is bad. No word from them on who the arsonist are but many of the fires apparently are being started by arsonist. It is known that many of these fires have been part of a coordinated attack and an attempt to over whelm the fire fighting efforts. A number of fires have been started by Molotov cocktails.

    Several arsonist have been identified (on film), arrested and charged for these wild fires. They have been released on there own recognizance or on low bail and yes, they have been identified as being associated with ANTIFA and liberal/socialist democrat organizations. These releases have been in the California courts.

    Big surprise. Terrorist using terrorism tactics....and Max is surprised.

    Sad.

    Dale
     
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  17. Max rigger

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    I came to this site looking for prepping ideas, practices. I have good general bushcraft/survival skills and outdoor skills in general but I'd never really looked at 'prepping' seriously before C19 arrived. There are dozens of survival/prepping/bushcraft forums out there but sadly they all seem to attract armchair preppers who seem to only want to use the forum platform to deliver their own political/religious agenda and you have to dig deep and cherry pick the prepping information from the myriad of posts that are really not relevant.

    On this forum we've had talk about waterproof clothing, batteries and Rebecca started to write some good stuff on food storage and thats about it here in recent weeks not counting my bit about a campervan...bet if I'd called it a bug out vehicle there would have been more input from others lol.

    Frugal Squirrels is pretty good, lots of gun talk, religious talk but the forums are broken down into sub sections and there is a lot of good stuff to be found over there http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/vb/index.php worth a look Sourdough.
     
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  19. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Max,

    Just read the above link; had read the original NGS article also.


    Climate change is definitely involved in these fires.

    Still, regardless of the NGS author's view, it is not the main factor. The large populations in these areas without the necessary infrastructure are.

    National Geographic is not a neutral science organization.

    Look at the evacuation 2 years ago during the Paradise, California fire. The roads were inadequate; too few, too narrow. The are had inadequate fire and rescue stations.

    The article omitted the electricity scandals and follow-on litigation.

    Study California's residental insurance rates and it all becomes clear enough.
     
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  20. poltiregist

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    Dalewick you just confirmed the information I also received . Democrats riding down roads throwing out Molotov cocktails . I was just reluctant to post that without confirmation . Likely the fires we are seeing are only the beginning of the burnings .
     
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    Speaking of these fires, does anyone have a firefighting plan and equipment? Many years ago a relative had a fire coming his way. He took his dozer and back bladed all around the house. This saved the house. He did lose some outbuildings and tractors.
     
  22. poltiregist

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    Max I will now respond now that I have confirmation . You do not grasp the situation the United States is now in . We are on the brink and some would say already in a Civil War . Yes I know it may sound insane and that is because we are experiencing insane behavior from the Democrat party . Yes they are trying to destroy the U.S. and usher in communist control . They are riding down roads as Dale reported throwing out Molotov cocktails to burn up thousands of acers , with no regard to homes , businesses , or the lives of people that are trapped and burned up .
     
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  23. Max rigger

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    Pretty clear to us outside the USA that your country is in deep do do and has been going down that path for a while now. All I can say is good luck and keep safe and hope that the coming change in leadership calms things down.
     
  24. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Randy,

    Yes, my Prep Gp has a fire plan. It's a main feature of my preparedness.

    The trees and weeds around ths around my shack are looked at frequently ... it's also a requirement for hurricane season.

    All my doors and windows here have fluorscent outlines on them. Madam Prag doesn't like this but at front door and a specific side door I keep a pike pole and ax. My load bearing suspenders ("TA-50") has a small fire extinguisher. All of us have fire fighters' gloves and hard hats with lights.

    The Zodiac inflatable is for wildfires evacuation. In case of wild fire / forest fire evac, the Zodiac is for us to go out about half NM from shore and wait to evaluation situation.

    A little above is vague; all of my small group have their own places with similar dwelling set ups like mine. Inflatable location and staging area(S) involves OPSEC.

    Not mentioning smoke masks for now.
     
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  25. Sourdough

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    Sorry for your situation. Unfortunate that you are unaware of your situation.

    You are being played. That is to say that you are what your "handlers" call a useful idiot.

    I am "Not" attempting to be disrespectful towards you. I believe you are fully unaware of your situation.

    My compelling evidence of this is your inability to clearly see that many and likely most on this forum "WERE" in the place you are currently, but that was 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 or in some cases 60 plus years ago.

    There are members of this forum who have been in training for world wide massive catastrophic SHTF for decades before you were born. Maybe even before your father was born.

    I am "Not" trying to be cruel. What you choose to do with this post is entirely your choice, including any and all ramifications of your choice. My heartfelt invitation to you, is that you look honestly at the beliefs you have accepted. Then plot your course forward.
     
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  26. Max rigger

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    I had no idea Old Geezer was well into his 80's, cheers that explains a lot about his posts.

    Everybody gets 'played' mate, happens world wide.

    Being on this planet a long time does not mean you develop wisdom, often it just means you get stuck in a rut chasing your tale so spare me the age nonsense, it don't impress me.

    Needs more members here, needs to get back to basics and political nonsense dumped in a dedicated section; at the moment its just a small handful of folk repeating the same mantra, its a shame you should be sharing skills not right wing propaganda.
     
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  27. TMT Tactical

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    When I was 10, I knew more than when I was two. Age does not a mandate wisdom but it does provide a lot more life experience to recognize B.S. There is a reason for the saying "Young and Dumb". Some just have to continuously prove this point.
     
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  28. Old Geezer

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    The phenomenon of human arrogance is not all bad.

    One thing that you can say is good about it is that it thins-out the inferiors.
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  29. Old Geezer

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    "You sure do have a purty mouth."

     
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  30. wally

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    careful on frugal they will ban for the slightest of infractions....
     
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  32. Rebecca

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    Just thought it should be pointed out: this thread is posted in the area on this forum called "News, Current Events and POLITICS"

    It is exactly where its supposed to be, in the dedicated section for political discussion.
     
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  33. varuna

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    Easy fix. Arson must be criminalized along with establishing "Arsonist Free Zone". And Molotov should also be ban :D:p


    And how fast & how far can you manoeuvre with that load?

    The remaining question is, how fast can you inflate & load that zodiac under stress? I found that respond time under stress is just another "perishable skill"
     
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  34. watcherchris

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    There is a thing which I believe is mostly avoided in thinking today....and it is particularly pervasive in politics while not teaching people to recognize it for what it is...

    And so too in like manner for the Main Stream Media...ie...MSM.

    And that is to put people to the forefront of the news who are the least qualified to speak up on most things...including much of leadership.

    The lowest common denominator...if you will...usually emotional...not thinkers or independents.....of which Preppers tend to be...thinking outside the box....and not wanting to be so herded by leadership nor the media...television and or movies.....that famous television and or movie education of which I often speak.

    Now I don't know everyone here...the particulars of their backgrounds...knowledges, experiences and or education..

    But I am aware that there is a wide experience base on here....knowledge as well.

    Now...here is my point in this long dissertation.


    When you put chaos and Drama Queens front and center night after night....on a media like television and or movies....

    It becomes very easy to give the impression of Hell and Damnation...taking place right in front of you .


    But for those of us who know some modicum of history ..we sense that this is not accidental ..but deliberate...and for a reason...a goal.

    And here is my other point...and I think very germane to what is going on out here.


    People who have real life experiences ..knowledge ...and therefore judgements to guide their lives are not the people you are going to see on the news or particularly a medium carefully crafted to cater to leadership seeking job security.

    People with real life education, experiences, and knowledge know when, where, and how to take "Risks" to reach their goals....


    Now....


    Contrast this with much of what passes for leadership today.....are they Risk Takers or are they in the business of trying to herd others to take risks for them??? And in so doing structure rules, regulations, laws to facilitate this "Herding" via new laws, regulations , and or controls at the expense of peoples liberties.???

    Now look carefully at these "Peaceful Protesters"...are they the kind of people who in their every day lives are going to be out here taking "Risks" to keep and maintain their standard of living or are they more likely to be "High Maintenance."

    And while I am talking about "High Maintenance"....is leadership pushing more and more programs amounting to "High Maintenance" with the expectation of fewer choices for you and more for government security???

    What are these Peaceful Protesters pushing...more government freebees and or programs with the expectation that you/we finance them ...forever??? All this under the guises of chaos/High Maintenance and fewer choices for you and me.


    In my mind...this is what happens when you manufacture chaos....with the goal of putting the lowest common denominator at the forefront..day after day after day....in the media and other such outlets...

    Preppers tend towards taking "Risks" for and towards their own goals....not the goals of others for free and at their own expense...their own preps.


    I am attempting to say that something is very very backwards here....a 180 degree flip flop....and thus I sense something very demonic......reversed here...

    Some of the arguments are very persuasive..but when you examine them under the prism of "Risk Taking" the scam becomes very very obvious. ...particularly when you sense that this is being created and managed by manufactured chaos....all across this land.

    Manufactured chaos seems to be the key fingerprint behind much of what is going on and thus increasing the Risks to most people......particularly in the Bigger cities...towns ....et al.

    Not sure this is even coming out correctly as I am trying to get across..but something is very fake in it's chaos here..

    As a result ...I sense an Ishmaelite run wild....many of them.

    I may have to rethink and re phrase this ....it is not quite coming out correctly.


    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite
     
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  35. Dalewick

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    Varuna, Arson is illegal as are molotov cocktails. This is all politics. Doesn't do any good for law enforcement to catch the arsonist and the prosecutor and judges (liberal democrats) let them go without punishment.

    Dale
     
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  36. watcherchris

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    Now....again...notice something here....even historically as was taught to me by Elders knowledgeable in history.

    What was taught to me is that with fewer government laws, regulations, and or controls...more freedom and liberty to the people...in their ability to make choices for themselves and their families......prosperity will happen...it cannot be stopped....it is inevitable. bound to happen when freedom and liberty reigns.

    The obvious solution to most of these social and or economic problems is to get the economy going....by removing restrictions to growth and prosperity...and also teaching people the very source of this ...not more government laws, controls, and or regulations....but instead liberty and freedom in our every day lives.


    So what groups are pushing for fewer government controls and or regulations/laws??? More freedom and liberty to ourselves and in our daily lives ??

    And who is causing prosperity ...jobs and economic production...,


    Now contrast this with what groups want more government to solve problems ??? Which will wind up being a burden on the economy and nation/people by giving people stuff for free???? But it will mean government job security.


    Now again...look at these "Peaceful Protesters"...are they pushing/promoting chaos....destruction...or economic prosperity....liberty and or freedom???


    Just my rabid, random, thinking and or non Ishmaelite musings.


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    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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  37. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Varuna,

    Per request;

    The Zodiac is already inflated in a boat house.

    My small Prepper Group has various rehearsed routines to have stuff ready when indicators require this. Our routines reduce stress. Even during max stress events, stress is not the major obstacle we face. It is the deteriating body from the aging process of those who had "active" lives.

    My belt fire extinguisher is one of the lighter items I carry on my kit/TA-50 suspenders rig. It is a personal Superjet brand manufactured by an Israeli company. Housing is a poly plastic and the weight plus size is about 2-4 cigarette packs. It exceeds the capability (and = in retardant capacity) to the standard 4" diameter Walmart/Home Depot consumer types.
     
  38. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Watcherchris,

    You've got my 100% agreement on your 2 above mentioned themes.

    I know what you're saying.

    Somewhere here - probably in my daily planner book, I've got a clipping from a premier insurance company. They have a signature line something like "Not taking risks is the biggest risk there is".
     
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  39. Max rigger

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    How many of these fire bomb lobbing commies have been arrested and charged?
     
  40. Sourdough

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    For a guy who piss's and moans about politics.......you seem to have a large thirst for the subject.
     
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  41. Max rigger

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    I've given up looking for prepper education on this forum and just go with the flow mate :)

    On a plus note I'm going out to Spain next week to look at three 'Finca's' (rural properties), all are fixer uppers to some degree but all are cheap at the moment so buy now cash and worry about remodelling them in the next three or four years. Return flight for $US100 :cool:
     
  42. Dalewick

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    Max, If your so dissatisfied with this site there are plenty of others you may prefer. Here's one you might like. https://leftpreppersalliance.proboards.com/thread/6/liberal-progressive-leftist-prepper-websites
    Dale
     
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      Excellent
       
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  43. Old Geezer

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  44. Old Geezer

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    The peace-loving Leftists are not just murdering police officers.

    "Two Members of GOP Campaign Team Shot in Minneapolis, One Fatally"

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ampaign-team-shot-in-minneapolis-one-fatally/

    "Two campaign team members for Republican Lacy Johnson, who is challenging Rep. Ilhan Omar (D), were shot Monday afternoon in Minneapolis, one fatally.

    "Minnesota Public Radio reports that one 17-year-old and another team member were shot after being “approached on foot.” CBS 4 reports that the two were standing outside Super USA convenience store at the time, and that a gunman, or gunmen, fled the scene before they could be apprehended.

    "The 17-year-old succumbed to his wounds and the other campaign team member was hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries."

    "On September 16, 2020, Breitbart News reported that members of the Minneapolis city council, which, in early summer, unanimously supported a pledge to abolish the police, is now asking, 'Where are the police?'”
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  45. Old Geezer

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    Here is the 17 year old Republican campaign worker who was shot dead
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    Campaign worker Andre Conley, 17.

    He could have been shot due to his being a Black man wearing a politically incorrect insignia on his shirt. There is zero tolerance for that among the Left.
     
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  46. Old Geezer

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    Found another photo of our young martyr. May God welcome him into eternal paradise with open arms!

    The Left must kill anything or anyone representing cleanliness and goodness.

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  47. TMT Tactical

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    Black Lives ONLY matter if they are left leaning blacks.
     
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  48. TexDanm

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    The cities that are burning are ALL liberal run pissholes where the only people allowed to have guns are the cops and the criminals. Liberal idiots will never figure out that the ONLY people that are affected by gun control laws are the people that would never use the guns in the commission of a crime. The criminals don't care what laws are passed they are CRIMINALS and by definition break laws. In Texas we had one rather mild riot. It can to a screeching halt when one of the idiots went rushing up to car waving an AK-47 around and the driver pulled his legally carried handgun out and killed that stupid sucker.

    Rioters here will get shot if they assault people or break into businesses. In most of the South riots are very low tone things because people have the right to defend themselves and the will to do so. Arsonists thieves and people that assault other people are legal kills and believe me, the potential rioters generally KNOW this.

    As far as I'm concerned, and I apologize if this hurts anyone's feelings but if you live in a place that VOTES to disarm itself and empower the criminal element and THEN even go to the point of defunding the police you deserve to be burned out. I'm sorry but you need to either stand up and demand your hun rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness or LEAVE that hell hole that you live in. There is no way that you can live in a place where at any point the criminals can break in and destroy all that you have and maybe kill you... and be happy about it. If the Manimals have the Liberal given right to riot, burn your business, Assault and kill you or just break in and steal everything that they want and YOU are prohibited by law from defending yourself or your property then you are kidding yourself thinking that you are a free person. You are NOTHING to the powers that be and they WILL see to it that the important people that commit crimes are back on the street before you are out of the hospital.

    Freedom is something that has to be EARNED and defended EVERY DAY. If you aren't willing to do that then you are not worthy of freedom. The Black adults are TEN PERCENT of the adult American population but the liberals want to give them HALF of everything without having to work for it, earn it or deserve it. The liberals are using a minority of them to destroy our Union. Most of the Black people that I know are GREAT hardworking people that take care of their kids and live among the Whit majority with little to no problems. I think no more of having a Black Neighbor than I would if they were Italian or Irish or Hispanic. They are good folks.

    At some point, the people in those cities are going to have to demand changes and mYBY HAVE A FEW real riots where they drag a few of these liberal criminal politicians out of their homes and into the streets and kill them. THAT is what they have planned for you and will arrest you if you try to resist it. Defund the cops my hairy butt. You need to get rid of them if they are spending more time chasing down people that are just trying to defend their homes than the arsonists, murderers, and thieves that are attacking your city. The police have become nothing more than the political arm of the politicians. If you are a cop and are told to allow people to commit violent felonies because they are minorities you are no longer a cop. You have become a thug used to enforce the will of crooked politicians. Quit your job. Come to Texas where you can be a real policeman again.
     
  49. Max rigger

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    There you go, you have me pegged as a far left guy when in fact I'm a capitalist with a social conscience which is a lot different. Make money, I love money, love being a comparatively high earner but I also think we have to look after those who don't earn, we need to provided universal health, benefits for those who can't work, good social housing, educational opportunity etc. The UK needs to look at our immigration problems, if they come over in a dingy from France then they go back to France et al, only so many pennies in the bank, can't afford to keep everyone can we. Sadly to do that we need the help of France and since they voted to leave the EU France ain't going to co-operate and I don't blame them for that. Being a liberal is not easy, right wingers have less to think about, their picture is small, ours is bigger.
     
  50. lonewolf

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    I havent got a social bone in my body, I dont think we can help everybody nor should we try.
    I have no time for lefties or socialists or snowflake millenials.
    this country(Britain) is already seen as a soft touch by migrants thanks to a certain Anthony Blair and the country is suffering violence and abuse on a scale never seen before because of it.
    France dosent care, they are just moving the problem over the border to us.
    as from 1/1/2021 we will shut that particular door and we should charge the French with people trafficking if they insist on continuing.
     
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