My "assault " Lever Rifles And "assault " Pistols

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  1. watcherchris

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    In view of the latest shooting and followed by the same olde "Usual Suspects" coming out of the woodwork calling for more gun control...and with predictability....it was time for me to get my shots in.


    Working out in the garage and I got this inspiration and decided to post photos of my "Assault" lever rifle and matching "Assault" Pistol.


    This first rifle is calibrated in .357 Magnum. I decided long ago that I wanted a new one...
    The pistol is a .357 Magnum by Ruger..the GP 100 "Assault " pistol.

    I made a bad decision and let my previous Rossi "Assault" Lever rifle go.

    Took me a few years to get a replacement.

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    And here is my second "Assault" lever rifle and matching "Assault" pistol...

    They are both Henry Brand "Assault " lever rifles...and matching pistol calibrations.

    This one being calibrated in .41 Magnum...for both pistol and rifle.

    I always wanted to have such an set up with pistol and rifle in the same calibration. This is a surprisingly accurate pistol for what it is...single action in .41 Magnum.

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    Again .."Assault" lever rifle matching the pistol in calibration.


    Here is a close up of this .41 Magnum Blackhawk Assault pistol...

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    Remember at the voting booth.................


    If you cannot be trusted with a gun....you will never be trusted with a vote.


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    Watcherchris

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  2. Old Geezer

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    Great sets of toys
     
  3. Old Geezer

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    Saw a video article about the Henry in .41 mag. It's got little recoil and all of the killing power of a .44 mag. The .41 mag case capacity and bore diameter just happen to be more efficient to the task -- the .41 uses less powder to get the same energies of the .44 mag. .

    Where I'm from, many hunters use tree stands for short-range deer hunting. Just the .41 mag handgun would be sufficient. The rifle would get one some extra range, however if you are in the woods and the deer is just 25 or 50 yards away, gimme a break, just take the revolver -- less weight and trouble climbing to your tree stand. A dead deer is a dead deer is supper on the table / meat in the freezer.
     
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    Here is a couple of my reloads in .41 Magnum.

    I am certain Olde Geezer....you can quickly note the important characteristics of what these two loadings are capable.

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    This is the first reload on which I have ever used a gas check bullet. it works surprisingly well in keeping down the leading in the barrel.

    On the left a 250 grain wide flat nosed cast gas check/WFNGC

    And on the right a copper plated semi wad cutter at 210 grains of weight.

    Either one represents a significant mass in moving weight/energy delivery.

    I wanted the cast gas check in particularly for heavy duty uses...big boned...thick skinned.

    Thanks,
    Watcherchris
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    I love the lead bullet with gas-check. A lot of folk say that gas-checks almost eliminate leading -- even with bullets that are not alloyed to be hard lead. I wish that more folk were aware of this simple yet profoundly effective little disk of copper.

    Talk about delivering energy, I'd call it "The Hammer"!

    Some critter gettin' nailed with that bad boy, wouldn't be going far afterwards, if anywhere at all. Lights out!

    Me, I'm sticking with my .357 toys, however I know full good and well that the .41 mag would be superior. I love shooting single actions. Have owned a few.

    You nail an aggressive human felon with your "Hammer" load -- his soul is gonna be standing in judgement in a heartbeat. Maybe I should say "lack of a heartbeat."
     
  6. watcherchris

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    I agree with Texdanm's assessment. Pound for pound...in a day of all these high capacity semi Auto pistols...the .357 Magnum still stands out there in raw potential/energy for those who know how to use it.

    I am sufficiently impressed with these Wide Flat Nosed Gas Check bullets in .41 Magnum...that I am thinking about ordering more in .357 Diameter...Wide Flat Nosed Gas Checks.

    Here this link....

    http://www.grizzlycartridge.com/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=CP38180

    These are heavy at 180 grains. Mostly I shoot about 158 grain...but like this bullet too in gas check.

    Thinking about ordering 3 boxes to start. Should be able to deliver some serious energy in a revolver or rifle in .357 Magnum calibration.

    This would make for some interesting reloading.


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  7. TexDanm

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    The 41 mag was the best of the three magnum pistol rounds. The 357 mag and the 44 mag were actually just over loaded specials. the 38 special and the 44 special were both in existence before they were loaded into a magnum level. In reality the 357 mag and the 44 mag are only longer by 1/10th of an inch so you can't load them into a gun chambered for the special version. Both of those magnums are basically just +P+ rounds.

    The 41 mag was developed from scratch and really is superior to either the 357 or the 44 mags because of a better balance of case capacity and bullet weight. When I used to load for power and best accuracy for my 357 mag I actually loaded in midway 38 special brass. This made it a compressed load and the burn was extremely uniform making it very accurate. I never did it but I imagine the same would have been true of the 44. The 41 is the only one that actually is designed to take full advantage of the case size.

    A warning is needed here. I loaded these for MY personal use and used yellow midway 38 special brass for this. The rest of my 38 special loads were all nickel plated cases. You do NOT want to use one of these loads in a light framed 38 special. I wouldn't even use them in a heavy framed 38 special that was +P certified or even a K framed S&W 357 magnum. There were ultra hot loads best shot in Thompson Center pistols, 357 mag Ruger Blackhawks, Ruger Security 6s, Model 28 N frame S&W and very limited use in the L frame S&Ws.
     
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  8. Old Geezer

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    The .38 special had a longer case than the .38 S&W and the .38 Colt so that no one would chamber the higher pressure cartridge in the older revolvers incapable of safely firing it. Same for the .357 mag. vs. .38 special. Were one to fully load the .357 case with the same powder normally used, the revolver could come apart and violently so. The .357 mag. has 2x to over 3x the energy of a .38 special / .38 special +P. The .38 special simply can't compete with the .357 mag. in the realm of nailing a human into the land of "can't return fire" (maybe not ever again). Heaven only knows how many eastern whitetail deer have been put into freezers with the 357.

    The .41 mag case capacity vs. powder required is much more efficient than the .44 mag. Short story is that over the long haul, one can save a lot of powder with the .41 mag and get the same job done as with the .44 mag. The .357 isn't in the same league as the .41 or .44 mag. revolvers. The .357 mag. has a long track record in the realm of bringing down humans. Using a larger revolver is usually not needed. Sometimes .44 mag or .41 mag rounds sail through a human without opening-up. Therefore, defense loads for these big bores differ from hunting loads.

    Law enforcement loved the .41 mag. due to its ability to cut right into a car or truck back in the days when vehicles were made with real steel. I remember a story from back in the 1970s where a highway patrolman nuked a fellow in a big delivery van. Cop made the shot while in chase and the bullet went through the back, through a item of cargo, through the seat's metal back and cushion, on into the fleeing felon.

    Back in the 1930s when the .357 mag. came out for law enforcement agencies, it was loaded hot and with FMJ bullets. This was for the purpose of penetrating vehicles. These were large frame revolvers that chambered the .357 mag.
     
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  9. Duncan

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    I had a Smith Model 686 -- a .357 Magnum double action revolver with a 4" barrel. Why I sold it I'll never know. Ever since then I'd thought of the same kind of rig mentioned here -- revolver and lever-action carbine -- only in .357 rather than .41 (the availability of .38 spl is a good thing, IMNHO).

    However, as of right now, my only handgun is a Ruger 9e autoloader in 9 mm, and I'm not going to spend any more money until The Boss says I can, which is after both the goat-shed and the chicken coop get built (and probably after she trades the Honda Civic in on an Subaru Outback)!
     
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  10. watcherchris

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    Stopped in Bass Pro today and purchased two bags of 100 count each of .38 Special Starline brass unprimed. I put them away for now.

    The clerk told me they were having difficulty getting .357 Magnum Brass...of late. Hope this bottleneck soon is solved.

    But .38 Special is fine if you know how to both use and reload it. Also it works fine in this lever action.

    Also bought two nylon Web slings for these two "Assault Lever Rifles."

    Got to thinking it was about time I got slings for them. Paid cash for all.

    Also stopped at Wally World and picked up a second batch of .22 Long rifle Thunderbolts in two 500 round boxes and put them away ..again paying cash.

    Thinking about switching my bullet selection/purchases now to 200 grain .358 Remington round nosed or spire point bullets to use in my Thompson Contender barrel.....35 Remington.
    Time to stock up on these supplies....though I can load this caliber with .357 Magnum bullets as well....but they tend to be on the light side for this calibration.


    By the way Duncan. The S&W 686 is a very good design..as so many other companies are copying it. I like it in the 6 inch barrel.

    Agree ...the availability of .38 Special as well as .357 Mangum is a big draw of these designs.


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  11. watcherchris

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    Wow Olde Geezer..

    You got my gray matter going into overdrive and I pulled out my Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Conversions and learned something I knew not a few minutes before referring to these pages.

    There were several .38 Caliber cartridges in times past for which we hardly think about today outside of the .38 Special and or the .357 Magnum.

    I am seeing listings for a .38 Colt Long and also to my surprise a .38 Colt Short. Also the .38 Smith and Wesson...and of course the .38 Special.

    Also Olde Geezer..and to my surprise...what today is called the .357 Maximum...is not new. There were versions of it in the olde days with cases just as long as the .357 Maximum.

    I think the significance today is the larger variety of powder, primers and bullet selection.

    But it is interesting to note that the .357 Maximum is not a new concept.

    There are calibers of .38 diameter cartridges of which I've never heard before purchasing this book. It is like a walk down history lane...so to speak.

    Thanks for getting the gray matter going.

    Watcherchris
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  12. Morgan101

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    I love lever action rifles, and wheel guns. I guess I can attribute it to my love of the Old West. Having a set of same caliber rifle and pistol makes eminent sense. Especially, when that caliber will work effectively on just about anything you would need to shoot in North America. I see carrying one type of ammo a distinct advantage.
     
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  13. TMT Tactical

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    I agree with Morgan101. I like the 357 cartridge for a lever action rifle, because the same caliber in a pistol is easier to control. If you can't bring it down with a long barreled lever action 357, don't shoot at it.
     
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  14. Old Geezer

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    Here's some fun videos. The vids concern using lever actions as survival rifles. These have some scientific method in them if you allow the definition of "science" to be as stretchy as Spandex. Most of all, however, is that they are just fun. If you just want to skip through info vids, then these are your anatomy lab specimens.

    I like levers, being an American. I like how lethal they are relative to "assault rifles" using FMJs. Flat nosed bullets kill and maim = how wonderful. Friend of mine's brother'n'law used to kill dogs for ranchers; money but easy money. One dog he talked about popping was a German Shepherd-ish canine (feral / mangy) and he said that the dog was almost ripped in halves; 30-30. Knew a rescue squad fellow who rolled on a home-invasion shooting; guy goes bat-sh## crazy obsessing on a female; tries to bust through the door of his woman's female friend; the girl's dad hits him in upper leg w/30-30, bullet touches femur; the guy's leg was almost torn off, piece of meat held it on.

    "Old Timey" levers are NOT to be trifled with. They are short and lightweight = mega-handy. You can get them in handgun cartridge chamberings. Aperture sights are available from many distributors. Everybody likes them. They have put millions of tons of venison on supper tables for 150 years plus.

    Anybody wanting to view serious studies, these sure ain't fer you.



    The fellow in the next video is showing-off his "Appalachian Scout Rifle" (from the great state of West Virginia). There's no sling on his lever. I'm gonna have to find a sling video.



    Retired sheriff's recomendation


    Sling videos



    The next sling configuration is more for strict accuracy shooting. I've used this through the decades. Know that perpetual use of this sling position and keeping the puppy a bit too tight can inevitably end in your having nerve damage. Not up for debate; I have left arm ulner nerve damage for all of the thousands of hours shooting using this configuration. If you're not going to go through tens of thousands of rounds of ammo; don't worry about it. If however you feel lack of blood flow to your arm / tingly fingers, brother loosen that sling. As I write this, my left pinky finger is tingling and I've got a touch of burning under my arm. I screwed-up. Of course, my left ear is gone; got 50 dB of tinnitus ringing away as I write this.

    This fellow doing the video knows how to do this spot-on correct; every so often on the web I actually run into an actual professional; the following guy you should pay attention to:



    Here are some sling positionings that I never use / I don't know about them. However, you may benefit from seeing these. Me, I have no "assault rifles". Call me an old stick'n'th'mud, however you wouldn't want to go up against me or any other "old guard" fellers; if I were going up against somebody like me, I get right with the Lord.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ylOnyIgSA

    I hope these vids help. Lever rifles NEVER became obsolete. A sling is NOT an accessory.

    For accurate shooting, you WILL learn how to effectively use your weapon's sling. You WILL always practice sling position while at the rifle range. Do not insult those who put in the time engineering and building your rifle. Shooting from a bench is ONLY for the purpose of sighting-in your weapon. I am perpetually made humble beyond words when shooting my minute of angle rifles, for my skills do not match the engineering of the weapon. The onus is always on ME to improve MY skills. Got a fine rifle and ammo? You screw the pooch out there, then it was YOU who failed. No blame, no excuses.
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  15. wally

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    awesome firearm porn!!!!!! seriously firearms are beautiful and my go to firearm is a 30-30 lever action....
     
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  16. TMT Tactical

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    I have filled out my AR platform. Now it is get the shotgun and then the lever action rifles. I will be going for a 44 mag Henry Tactical. My son is getting the 357 Henry Tactical. When I pass, senior son gets all my firearms, so we don't want to duplicate calibers / firearms. The matching caliber hand guns are still up in the air, at least for me. The 44 mag is a pretty stout pistol and I am going to want something that is ported / compensated or maybe even both.
     
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  17. Old Geezer

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    Sounds super!

    https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2020/07/henry-big-boy-x-rifle-test/
     
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      Thanks OG for the videos. I call it Henry Tactical. You got it right.Henry Big Boy X. I have waited a long time for the side loading gate.
       
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  19. Old Geezer

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    There is the parallax effect with scopes wherein if one's eye is not centered on the center of the scope glass then the bullet strike will be off. Therefore, make sure you are looking straight through the very center of the scope.

    This isn't what I want to talk about.

    One gets a parrallax effect when a scope is mounted high above the bore. You have the sight path, the bore path and the bullet trajectory. I put a graphic below to demonstrate. Tall scope mounts will force you to make these calculations -- where do I need my lines to converge. The lower a scope is to the bore, the better. This really matters in target shooting and in precision distance shooting. In short range hunting, it really doesn't matter for crap -- especially when we are talking a shoulder shot on deer. If you are off an inch, even two inches, so what -- the dang deer is dead.

    After sighting in for the distance that you expect your game to present, test the point of impact at various other ranges -- shorter distances and longer distances. Write-down the point of impacts as revealed by your targets. "I was xx inches low at xx yards." "I was xx inches high at xx yards." Keep that index card with that rifle. When using the rifle, look at the card and memorize your distance/strike-point numbers -- not difficult at all, especially if you are a visual thinker. The numbers may be so tight at the ranges imposed upon you that those numbers matter little, just go out and kill yourself a deer and don't worry about the techie-crap.

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  20. Old Geezer

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    For those new to lever rifles, when loading, do NOT push the first cartridge in all the way such that the side-gate closes. Leave each cartridge's head of case sticking out out so that the next cartridge follows the one in front of it on into the under-barrel tube. Only when loading the last cartridge of a series of cartridges, let the gate close. The reason is that the tension on the magazine tube spring gets greater and greater. Say that the tube will hold eight rounds. If you let the gate close on cartridge number seven, then when you attempt to insert cartridge number eight, the tube spring tension is such that the case head of round seven is pushed back so far as to occlude the gate mechanism from opening. Even if cartridge seven is not blocking the gate, trying to get number eight in there could be an unhappy challenge.


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  21. Old Geezer

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    As to high recoil in a handgun, one can always go single-action with plowshare grip. These puppies simply role-up in your hand as opposed to coming straight back and slamming the web of your hand. Of course, you already know this. An owl-head grip will do the same if all of its back is rounded.

    I've never fired a revolver with a Bisley grip. Have you? If so, what do you think about them.

    If a barrel is top-ported, it will help hold-down muzzle-rise, but man-oh-man are these puppies LOUD! Plus, at night, you have flames shooting out the top of the barrel -- i.e. exactly where your eyes are pointing.

    When firing or just being next to someone firing hot big-bore revolvers, I've felt the shock wave go up my nose. The pressure wave can be felt by your eyes. It can be like being around artillery -- maybe not that bad, but still ... . These things will thump you.

    As to double-action big-bore revolvers with ported barrels, I don't know jack sh## about them other than that what I've read.

    Fun video:


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    "Shirt with a hole in it" I think that it was back in the 1980s that it became popular with the wimpy urbanites to have pants or shirts that had been shot. I was working where there was a mix of people not only from all over America, but form all over planet Earth. I guess there were three of four of us who were not at all averse to blowing holes through their clothes ... not while they were wearing them of course ... I mean they weren't standing around nekkid while we shot their blue jeans ... did the shooting at the range or back-40 ... they had other clothes ... you know what I mean. Lead rounds leave lead stains on fabric. Buckshot = a lot of lead embedded into the fabric -- especially on the denim of blue jeans. They had to somehow get the lead out ... not my job. I guess you could soak the fabric in bore-cleaner, then wash. Over the decades, my wife has HATED it when I get my clothes soaked in bore cleaner, because she can't handle the smell. Me, I've lived in a world of chemicals; I like the smell of Hoppe's 9. Downside, known guys developing lymphomas; not good.
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  23. Old Geezer

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  24. TexDanm

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    OK, here is the thing about the lever-action rifles versus the assault rifles especially the AR-type in the 5.56 nato round. The AR-15 is based on the full auto M-16 line of American military rifles. It was introduced during the Vietnam conflict and was a great answer to the needs and aims of that sort of war. First off you have to understand that there was a change in philosophy that came with that tie and weapon. It was correctly understood that the best way to win a conflict was to destroy and enemies' will to fight. this is better done by causing massive casualties with as few immediate deaths as possible.

    When the enemy loses the ability to cope with and take care of the casualties the people in the field lose heart pretty fast. Seeing one of your people die a fast clean death makes you mad as hell and hate your enemy. watching someone die a slow miserable death because your backers can't take care of the casualties because they are overwhelmed is a totally different thing.

    The M-16 is a pretty good weapon to do this sort of thing. the 22 caliber FMJ bullet puts small holes in the body with minimal damage as far as immediate stopping power or death unless the heart or brain is hit. It will take a person out of a battle but not just drop them with one shot. Before this change in philosophy, the 30 caliber was king and even in the FMJ military format it was a bone breaker and was a pretty good stopper with a hit anywhere in the body.

    the other reason for the change in Vietnam was that in a dense jungle you didn't often have a clear clean view of your target. there was a lot more spray and pray in the jungle than there had been in the European battlefields and there was a need for each individual to carry more rounds. The M-16 was the answer to and the descendent of the Thompsom 45 caliber and the M-1 carbine in the 30 caliber carbine. A smaller lighter weapon with much smaller lighter ammo. For jungle and assault purposes the M-16 was great. It allowed a lot of ammo with minimal weight and created massive casualties without being especially deadly as a one-hit weapon.

    The lever action is over a hundred years old but in many ways was the answer at that time to a similar need. It was lighter and had more firepower than the bolt action rifles that it replaced for civilian use in fairly close quarters out to 150 to 200 yards. It was never designed for a scope and note intended to be a long-range target weapon. It was for fast close shots at often moving targets where you needed to possible fire several rounds to make a hit and kill.

    the 30-30 was just the top power to that line of weapons. The early runs were popular in the pistol calibers of that time. A 38-40 or 44-40 was a great round for most of the needs of the time and allowed you to only have to provide one sort ofammo for rifle and handgun. That advantage is still true with the 357 mag and to some extent the 44 mag. In my openion, the 4 mag is a little too much for defense against human targets and the weight of the guns, ammo and the recoil makes it less suitable for most defensive uses...unless you live in bear country andthen it is KING.

    This idea has been repeated over and over the Thompson 45 paired with the colt 45 ACP was a winner in its time. Now the 9mm is often being paired with an auto pistol and a litemachinggun in the same caliber.

    Pistol rounds are not the best design for rifle use BUT in the area of survival, you have to make comprimises. A handgun is with you and at hand constantly while if you are going to do anything except stand guard you just can't have a rifle in your hands. You can pair with autos in the 9mm and 45 ACP, with lever actions you have the 357/38 and the 44 mag/44 special. Both the 44 mag and the 357 mag are tollerable for hunting up to most of the deer family while the 9mm and 45 are pretty weak for hunting except very close range. The advantage of having a lighter alternitive that works well for the smaller game can be a plus if you are a reloader. The auto rounds become undependable in auto weapons if they are down loaded.

    I will not be causing many casualties in a survival situation. I want you DEAD. If I injure you and you survive you may recover and come back. Next time you may just sit out at a safe range and take me out with a long-range shot that I have no hope of defendig myself against. If I hit you and you go down if you get up I will shoot you again even if you are trying to run away. If you are still alive but down when the fight is over I will come andput you out of your misery.

    For me and my needs, I prefer a round that is designed to kill and not cause a casualty. I'm not going to be assaulting people and if you try to assault me I want you dead and not just chased off for now. I live in a forested area and my normal defensive range will be under 150 yards. If it was more than 200 yards I might think about a scoped rifle. I have those too but in this case, I talking about a two gun constant carry sort of armament.

    What you have in the house when you are out and about does you no good. When things are as I suspect they would be after any sort of sociatal collapse I will have a handgun and long gun at hand all the time. When I am wrking in the garden I may lean my rifle against something near me but will always have he handgun. I prefer the lighter and handier weapons for this but still want something that offers a good chance of offering a one shot stop.

    In the perfict situation, I think that the 41mag would be nearly perfict but it just isn't offered in as many weapons and doesn't have the down load special round companion. The 41 mag was designed as a man stopper and not a hunting round but too many of the police around the country found its recoil objectionable. ??? When I would be shooting back at someone that was shooting at me I don't think that I would even notice the recoil. Maybe it would be a bit much for plinking or target shooting but that isn't what it was designed for.

    The 41mag is a man stopper. the recoil is fully and easily controlable and much less than the 44 mag. I can put 6 rounds in the torso of aman in a flash. The recoil will make it climbbut all six will be in the body. i can't do that with a 44 mag as fast. The 357 mag is easy and even with one hand, it is controlable. Honestly my defence reloads in 357mag are comparable to the 41mag. In either the S&W N frame or the Ruger you can push the pressures pretty high if you know what you are doing. the colt and the k frame S&W should not be pushed that hard.

    I have had several pairs sets over the years but now only have the 357 handgu/ rifle and the 22lr handgun/rifle. I tried the 44 mag pair but just didn't like it. For some strange reason the 44mag in a lever bruses me where a bolt action or lever action 338 winchester mag doesn't bother me a bit. ???

    I reload and have a couple of thousand pieces of brass for that and probably fifve hundred to a thousand loaded. I buy cast bullets in 500 round boxs and have almost three of those and then a bunch of boxes of jacketed bullets. lots of power and several thousand primers means that I can shoot the 357mag/38 for a looooong time.

    If you have faith in it the 9mm is a favorite for a lot of people. You just need to make sure that you double of tripple tap your targets to make SURE that they go down and stay down. Modern 9mm loaded with good hollow points step it up a LOT. In orderto have them in mass withut investing a fortune though you need to reload them.
     
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    Found this video about a newer version of the Henry lever-action. These newer models have side loading gates that people were requesting, plus the rifles are configured to take after-market accessories. Pleasing customers is a good thing.

    First, here is a photograph. Below I have the video linked.

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    I love my short lever-action rifles. They are super quick to bring into action. They shoot handgun calibers which means that you have extra rounds in the tube (one in the chamber plus 9 in the tube gives you 10 rounds; too, you can still be feeding ammo via the side gate). I put a laser pointer sight on one of these puppies = light it, shoot it. Too, I love the wood furniture. The new Henry rifles come in polymer stocks which had been requested of the company. Only one of my rifles is a Henry, an older-version Henry, but its wooden stock is a beauty. My Winchester Wrangler is as handy a'rifle as anyone could wish. So, if you go to a gun show looking for an efficient rifle, never discount the lever-action.

    A rifle in .357 mag., .41 mag, or a .44 mag makes for a hunting rifle / home defense rifle / pickup truck handy-rifle. These calibers kill when fired from handguns; when fired from rifles, they are even more lethal. Remember, military ammunition wounds, thus banned for hunting; downright cruel to wound animals. Always kill quickly.

    If the Democratic Socialists wish to ban semi-automatics, know that these lever rifles can serve you mightily. With short scopes or other enhanced sighting mechanisms, they become a much better tool for you as a Liberty-loving patriot / hunter / home-owner.


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      Two are on the wish list. A 357 to be purchased by number one son and a 44 mag version to be purchased by me. No side loading was the one issue that had preventing us from buying one in the past. I am not a fan of tube feed. I don't like being that close to the business end of a rifle. I do prefer the composite stocks, as they are lighter and I don't care if they do get scratched. It hurts my feeling when a nice wood stock gets scratched or dented.

      Good post OG. Thanks.
       
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    I wanted to take some time to confirm what TexDanm...posted about the .357 Magnum Cartridge....In that pound for pound in energy delivery..it is an excellent choice.


    Of recent I had the opportunity to take a woman to the gun club to let her shoot and become familiar with her recently acquired Taurus revolver.

    Now this is the revolver...a model 692 in 7 shot capacity...

    Taurus® 692 357 Mag / 38 Spl +P / 9mm Luger Matte Black 3.00 in. Ribber Grip® (taurususa.com)


    What is so interesting to me about this set up is that it is in not only .357/.38 calibration but has an extra cylinder for 9mm Parabellum. Thus it offers even more ammunition versatility in todays times of increased ammo prices.


    However...something became clearly visible at the range when switching from .38 Specials and switching the cylinder to 9mm and then also shooting .357 Magnums..

    And that is the power levels of difference in .38 Special, 9mm Parabellum and then .357 Magnum.

    The difference was immediately noticeable.

    Agree with TexDanm's position on the .357 Magnum.

    Pound for pound ..it is difficult to beat it's efficiency and power delivery.

    In a lever rifle...the .357 would only be even more effecient....

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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    Oh...and while I have the older Henry Rifle Model in .357 Magnum pictured above...

    I am developing an Itch to get one of the newer models in synthetic stock and with the loading gate on the side.


    While I verily like a nice wood on a rifle...I do understand the practicality of the synthetic materials available today.

    My Thompson Contender pistol came with beautiful wood furniture on it and the very first time I took it out in the woods to try it out in resting it against a tree...I scratched the wood...

    Immediately I stopped shooting and replaced the beautiful wood with Pachmayr Grips. I considered the wood...just too beautiful to be scratching it up in hard heavy use.,

    Having for now to resist this itch to scratch...,.for a new Henry in .357 Magnum....but The Force is getting weak and I am breaking out in a sweat!!!!


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    "However...something became clearly visible at the range when switching from .38 Specials and switching the cylinder to 9mm and then also shooting .357 Magnums..

    "And that is the power levels of difference in .38 Special, 9mm Parabellum and then .357 Magnum." -- WatcherChris

    I watched the following video by Paul Harrell a few days back. In the video, Paul debunks the myth that the 9mm has the power and terminal ballistics of the .357. He also addresses the myth that the .357 looses its edge when fired from a short-barrelled revolver.

    The video is 16 min 29 sec long. The beginning is all numbers -- he chronographs ammunition and compares velocity, then shoots cinder-blocks then pumpkins. Guess what, the .357 has significant to far higher velocities than the 9mm -- even in short barrelled handguns, the .357 wins over the 9mm (duh!).

    Where Paul Harrell's video really cuts to the chase is ten and one-half minutes into the video (10:30 of 16 1/2 minute vid). This is when he compares the best 9mm hollow-point ammo (the high performance +P premium) to common/budget .357 hollow point ammo. He proves that whereas the 9mm loaded with the best ammo can be a real performer, the .357 mag is simply a destroyer of meat and simulated lung tissue. Short story, the .357 mag is god-awful lethal. The 9mm has the advantage of being fired from a semi-auto, thus more rounds can be fired -- but, you will have to do just that to match the .357 mag's effectiveness.


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    The .357 mag performance against ballistic gel. This fellow calls his gel "bear gel". I wonder if he make the consistency of the gel thicker.



    Now, here's the .41 magnum out of a handgun into ballistic gel. Dang-it! I wasn't able to find the .41 out of a rifle into ballistic gel. I may have posted this video before, but what the heck, here it is again. Spoiler: The .41 bullet goes through an inch of bone then destroys the gel. Watermelons simply explode when hit with the .41 mag out of a revolver. This tells me that given more barrel to burn all of the powder, the .41 mag would be awesome.



    What about the .44 mag out of a lever-action rifle:

     
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    Great Video by Paul Harrell...and thanks for posting it Olde Geezer....much enjoyed viewing and learning from it..

    Have looked it up on U Tube and so bookmarked it..

    Thanks,
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      So glad that this was helpful. So I look at videos and read stuff constantly. Sometimes I run across something that I believe others would benefit from. It's easy to cut'n'paste. Too, we've got all sorts of people visiting this site many of whom are not well versed in firearm usage, yet may own a firearm or are going to own a firearm but haven't a clue about what to purchase, the nature of that which they purchase, or how to safely handle a weapon. I run across all sorts of videos that are handing-out totally bogus information, plus I run across people engaged in all manner of seriously unsafe crap. I don't link that stuff. I've been into shooting for over a half-century, I know sh## from Shinola.
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  31. TexDanm

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    The 357 mag is a good comprimise between power, recoil, weight of guns and ammo and ability to take down man and deer sized animals at fairly close ranges. Thereis no comparison as far as damage and wound size between a 9mm and a 357 mag. It is just a matter of numbers and a bigger heagier bullet moving at a higher velosity is always going to be more destructive and a better killer.

    Where the 357 really shines is when you reload it. The 9mm is sort of restricted because automatic weapons are designed to opperate at specific pressures. A revolver is only limited by the strength of the gun. I am a big guy and prefer the bigger heavier guns like the N frame S&W or the Ruger revolvers. In those guns the 357 mag can become a true magnum. I load them hot as hell for defence use and then load them down for small game and target shooting. My target loads are usually about like a +P 9mm or a hot 38 special but I sometimes load them even farther down for plinking and shooting small game up close.

    There is a difference in the way a revolver person thinks and how someone that prefers 9mm autos thinks. Yes a 357 mag is a lot more powerful than a 9mm but you are limited to about 6 rounds in a revolver while 9mms can have 2 to almost 3 times that number. Basically one is about power and the other is about volume of fire.

    Where I live I like the more power of the 357 mag because it in minimally effective but suitable for things up to deer while also being fine for small game by either down loading or shooting 38 special rounds. The 9mm just isn't enough for anything over about 40 or 50 pounds. Yes it will kill a man or even a deer BUT if you shoot a deer with it from 50 yards or so it will run off and die someplace else and you will never find it. You could do that with a 22LR. Which is my backup pair. I have a 22 revolver and a couple of 22 leveraction rifles or even better a 10-22.

    Where a 9mm shines is as a personal selfdefence weapon at city distances. Mine is smaller and lighter than a revolver and offers more rounds. It is flatter and more comfortable to carry with an in the pants holster. My wife prefers and carries a snub nose 38 special revolver in her purse. I lode her 38 specials HOT with a fast burning powder. It wouldn't be good for target shooting in great numbers but for defence they are great and near 357 mag power in a short barrel.
     
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    I am a rifle type of guy. I want my handguns to shoot like a rifle; i.e. I want accuracy and power. Though I own 9mm autos, to me they are just get-by guns -- not something in which I have a whole lot of faith. These 9s ain't no short rifles. I've owned a carbine in 9mm and to me it was a range blaster of surplus 9mm ammo, NOT a serious defensive weapon. I guess intellectually it was of use as such, but never in my heart was it one. It was a tradeable thingy. I'm NOT going to trade my lever carbines EVER.

    Tex, what you said about all of the uses for a .357. A lever carbine is all that most folk need here in S.Appalachia for deer -- especially when shooting from a tree stand. The deer here are not large at all and most folk shoot them to put meat into a freezer. Seen the price of meat these days -- holy crap!!!:eek:

    Poor folk can't be throwing down that sort of cash. That and deer are outrageously overpopulated here. Seventy-five plus year old 30-30s, .35 Remingtons, even .32 Winchester specials are still putting meat on the table. A few decades back, the .44 mag levers got to be mega-popular around here. People with .357 mag revolvers bought levers in .357 -- gee, I wonder why! :p

    Some land owners and friends of land owners shoot deer across open fields, so they are the accuracy & power folk. They buy the bolt-actions. Me, I got into bolt actions only because of being able to buy surplus military rifles. That and accuracy -- I'm OCD about accuracy, but that's just me. The .308 more than suffices as any sort of survival rifle in these parts. Locals who buy the big magnums are those who go out West to hunt much larger game than found here. I've never once spoken to any local man who hunted moose in Maine.
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    WOW! Those are some really evil looking assault guns. Especially those black ones. How do you stand to have them in your home? Haven't they assaulted you yet? I'll bet they have attacked people outside your home while you were gone. Do they take those evil banana clip magazines that hold a bizzillion bullets. I'll bet you have those heat seeking, exploding bullets that blow people into small pieces so they can't be identified. They shoot 1000 rounds a second don't they. Is that the grenade launcher under the barrel?



    This stupidity brought to you by the Democratic party and it's sniveling liberal socialist.......and a healthy dose of my sarcasm.

    Nice firearms.

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    "I rolled some Ammo out in my garage today."


    Finally got off my donkey and rolled some ammo today after procrastinating on this for some time now.

    I rolled 40 rounds of .357 Magnum ammo.

    15 rounds of this were loaded with heavy 180 grain cast lead gas checks..or what are called on the box WFNGC for wide flat nosed gas check bullets.

    180 grains is heavy for a .357 Magnum in a pistol but I wanted a heavy energy penetrator and the gas checks work remarkably well in keeping down the leading in the barrels in .357 caliber....and also in my .41 Magnum cast lead reloaded ammunition.

    25 rounds of this ammunition is loaded with 165 grain solid copper bullets flat nosed. These are designed as deep penetrators.

    To date I have not tried out any of these but need to get around to it.


    Have another 167 rouns of .38 Special to reload and will get around to it in stages.

    Been putting alot of this reloading off with weather breaking into spring and other things needing doing around here.


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  35. watcherchris

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    The other 167 rounds of .38 Special were reloaded earlier last week also after way to much procrastination.

    Glad to get it done...

    Been hearing some interesting things for which the News and Leadership most likely do not want out to the general public....

    But time will tell.


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  36. Old Geezer

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    Some videos concerning the lever action "assault rifles":

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=assault+rifle+lever+action&t=newext&atb=v1-1&iax=videos&ia=videos

    OK, so a semi-auto is better; however, a lever can put some serious amounts of lead downrange and accurately so. The 5.56 NATO isn't so great at shooting through some floors and walls, however many lever calibers have no trouble penetrating walls and floors and ceilings. You rarely see it in the movies, but if Mr. Badguy is above you, shoot through your ceiling (his floor) up into his guts.
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  37. TexDanm

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    One of the things about a lever action over a simi-auto is that the simi-autos sort of encourage a spray and pray mind set. I would much rather just drop a target dead than wound someone. The 22 caliber autos were introduced to the military for one primary reason. They are more likely to create wounds than to kill with one shot. Wars are won when the enemy loses the will to fight and seeing your buddies lay there wounded and suffering has a greater affect on moral than a dead body.

    In a war, wounded people require a lot more atention and cost than a body. When the casualties overwhelm the ability to care for the wounded that war is about to be over. That is the reason the guns and ammo used now are so different from what was used in say WW1 or even in WW2. The 5.56/22 caliber 55 grain FMJ bullets are not much deadlier than a 22 LR if the targets are not in armor at distances less tham 100 yards.

    Keep this in mind, in gun fights that you might have in a post apocolyptic world a lot of wounds that would not amount to much morre than a flesh wound now may be lethal without proper medical care.

    Things will be about like they were during the civil war. Lots of people faced the choice of losing a limb or dying from infections. If a flesh wound gets infected it will kill you just as dead as a head shot...only a lot slower and more painful.

    Ammo will be important but antibiotics may be even more important. Someone that is more knowledgable than me might be able to tell us what antibiotics last without refrigeration the longest and are most effective.

    The BEST way to survive will be to avoid conflict if at all possible. I will have signs up telling people to stay off my property. I plan on putting abell out there and then if they ring it one person will go out o check them out while a couple of people look at them through scope that will drop them if they do ANYTHING agressive. The rule will be simple. If they seem to be a threaat I will hit the ground and my backup will kill them all immediatly and without warning.

    In the first few months, maybe as long as a year, a lot of stupid people are going to die because they don't understand that all of the old rues no longer matter. If you run your mouth and threaten someone they may well (I WILL) kill you. I will never allow someone to walk away after they have threatened me or mine. If you allow someone to threaten you and then walk away they may well take you out by snipeing you. There really is no defence from a person that just wants you dead. They are unlikly to want to give you a fair chance.
     
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  38. Old Geezer

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    "They are more likely to create wounds than to kill with one shot. Wars are won when the enemy loses the will to fight and seeing your buddies lay there wounded and suffering has a greater affect on moral than a dead body."

    European blood lines may take extra care to extract their dead and wounded, however this isn't true of other types of humans. They'll leave their dead and wounded. There is a callousness there. Or maybe, it is a lack of honor.
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  39. Old Geezer

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    "ROSSI R92 Rifle Review - Lever Action SHTF Gun"



    SHTF, you need a repeating rifle with ammo capacity. Need it be semi-auto? No, not necessarily. If a semiauto has a heavy/decent barrel on it, it can protect your family -- even put food in the table.

    In the USSA, looters and arsonists are bereft of courage. They do not stand and fight as do noble people. Problem is, there are swarms of trash humans who will in a "New York minute" redistribute your food stores to themselves. During their attacks, you must deliver lots of lead. At longer distances, you need a center-fire rifle. Close-in -- God's Mercy be with you -- you need a repeating shotgun loaded with buckshot and lots of backup cartridges (remove the shell limiting dowel rod in the tubular magazine). If you are down to a handgun, large capacity magazines can make the difference between life and death. Remember that only 1 in 10 humans shot with a handgun die. Remember that of those survivors, only 2 in 10, have lingering life handicaps from having been shot. Hunting rifles and ammunition kill. Handguns wound. Military ammunition wounds -- it isn't designed to kill, but to incapacitate.

    A rifle chambered in an effective handgun cartridge (.357 mag, .41 mag, .44 mag) gives you a rifle/handgun combo. Now there is efficiency for you.
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    I forgot something mega-important in my above post.

    A rifle sling is NOT just for carrying your weapon. It is core-critical to accurate shooting. Rifle Team sure did hard-wire that into my soul. You do not go to competition matches without having mastered the use of your rifle's sling. You'll never make Expert Marksmanship Badge -- thus, you are no competitor, no soldier.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=using+the+rifle+sling+for+accuracy&t=newext&atb=v1-1&iax=videos&ia=videos

    If you are a rifle instructor (I was), you MUST teach sling-usage to your students. They are useless shooters if you do not.

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    Using rifle slings during practice and competition over the years left me with nerve damage in my left arm (ulnar neuropathy). So it goes.

    You gotta make head-shots at at-least 200 yards. You just do. The human head is a big target, boys and girls. It's bigger than a cantaloupe, so for range-practice use cantaloupes that have started going soft / no longer fit to eat.

    For urban jobs, sight-in at 200 meters. That will put you 5.5 centimeters high at 100 meters. At 300 meters, you'll be only 15 cm low. At 400m, you'll be 58 cm low. These numbers are using the 7.62 NATO.
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  41. TexDanm

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    To each their own but I as I got older pretty much abandoned the simiauto as my primary weapon for an end of the world as we know it primary weapon. For one thing they EAT ammo if you are not cautious and aware that ammo is priceless. For another thing you will take shots that are unwise because the next shot in just a pull of the finger away. Another problem is that most modern weapons are not designed to kill. They are more likely to cause injuries than a clean kill and none of them would be decent weapons to hunt even the small 120 pound deer that we have in east Texas.

    Wars are won more with wounded enemies than with dead ones. In a lot of cases the aim of an action now days is to injure as many as possible and then pull back rather than take a place. This is obvious in that most of todays primary weapons are crappy killers with theit small and low powered cartreges, full metal jacketed bullets and the simiauto firarms that only when new have much pin point accuracy.

    Survival should have a VERY different intention. You want those that attacked you DEAD. I will give you a hint. Dead men never come back and attack you again!!! If you are attacked you want to at least make a STRONG effort to kill them all. If you attack my holdings I will follow you and take you out one at a time with a 7mm mag from LOOOONG range until you are all dead. You want to be too damn deadly to mess with. Never forgive an attack and track them down and end their threat on your terms.

    It is fine to be a good neighbor and to be a dependable friend but you also need to be feared. Make sure that people know that to betray you will mean the death of them and their entire family. Be a great frind to have but a nightmare to have for an enemy. History shows that during the hard times people that are totaly predictble in how they will react to attack like that tend to be avoided. If I am your friend I will defend you like family.

    If you turn on me or run and leave me in trouble then you need to get down on your knees and PRAY that all of me and mine are killed because we will hunt you down and kill you ALL. I'm not talking about fighting with you. I will hunt you and kill you just like I would coyotes that bothered my livestock. Often being feared is far better than being liked as long as it is understood that you never bother anyone that has not deserved it.
     
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    The advent of modern weapons has changed a lot of things. To some extent one deadly pissed off killer is more deadly to have as an enemy than a group of people. A sniper that knows his business can totally destroy a family or small group of people that has incured their wrath. You just can't do much about someone that has the gun, the experiance and the ammo to make solid hits in the body out to a thousand yards.

    I used to have a winchester 7mm mag that I could put all of my shots into a circle that wa less than 4"out past 500 yards. (That was as far as my gun range had cleared.) Now this wasn't off hand it was set up and braced over sandbags. I think that I could have hit a man sized targer out to around 1200 yards with it if the weather cooperated. The thing is that I am not really a very good shot with a rifle so I can't imagine what a real sniper could do.

    What I was very good at when I was younger was off hand pistol shooting at variable targets on the run. I could just look hard at a target and shoot it without really aiming at it. I just was point shooting at a trot at target that were never the same twice. a piece of noteboook paprt is the right size for combat shooting. A hit in the center of a mans chest with any of the major calibers will pretty well take them out of the fight. They MIGHT survive but they are going to mostly be out of that fight. If you tap someone in the chest and they don't go down place the next shot in their face.

    Your attitude needs to be more about taking them out of the battle than necessarily killing them. If you win the fight and they wtthdraw you can kill the injured that they left later. I know that sounds cruel and extreem but what the hell else can you do. They are down on your property. They were abandoned by their people and you are stuck with them. You can't afford to try and take them prisoner. You can't afford to try and guard them and feed them and you DO NOT want to let them survive and attack you again later. You need to treat them as you would coyotes that are killing your chickens!!! You want them DEAD not just injured and surviving.

    Over time you will develope a rather nasty world view. Those that are part of your group are real people. Those that live around you are potental people until they do something that moved them either fully in or out of that designation and then you have the animals that have human form but are no more than any predetor that attacks your livestock. You KILL them and let them rot. You bury people but if you kill a coyote that is after your chickens you drag the body away and leave it for the animals to eat.

    Saddly a lot of really good people are not going to be able to transition to that sort of harsh mindset. In times of total collapse history has shown that being a good gentle person doesn’t count for a lot. Good gentle people live and survive at the mercy of those that are willing to protect them but then when things go totally to crap they are like chickens when the farmer dies and leaves them on their own.

    There is no such thing as a “wild” domestic chicken. Without someone to feed them and protect them they die. While breeding them for thousands of years they have lots of meat, are easy to raise, and are good to eat. No where in that breeding is there any intelligence or defensive ways bred into them.
     
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  43. lonewolf

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    unless we are in an invasion event post collapse will be more about surviving day to day, most of that is going to be the boring tasks of putting food on the table.
    actually fighting other people certainly in a British context is going to be low on the ground, maybe in the big cities but further out in the rural areas large scale incursions will be rare if not impossible especially in the more remote areas.
     
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    I'm sorry lonewolf but you have to understand that for several hundred years Brittian exported their often problematic but also most intelegent and motivated people out to other places. Is it any wonder that those places where the criminals were sent and the adveturous parts of your people left to are a much more agressive and outgoing lot? You can take pride in having founded the future of the world leaders but in doing so you also became a much less agressive people.

    People don't like to realize that we are breeding people when we do things like that. In the US it didn't stop there either. The people in America then had another breeding as the more agressive and ambitious went west and became a much more busy people. We are now sort of remeshing into a one more similar group because there are no longer any real fronteers. Now the difference is becoming the super urban and the more rural small town and suburban people.

    When WW2 happened the men in the US enlisted almost in mass. My Dad enlisted in the Navy for one reason...they would take him at 16 where the Army that his brother was in wanted you to be 17. Nobody was a threat to Texas. Nobody in the European theator ever was a threat to us. the Japaneese comited suicide when they hit Pearl Harbor. Germany already had issues before we entered the war. Hitler was insane and had stupidly created a three front war for his small nation. He could have kept his agreement with the Russians and shared the Eastern parts of Europe. Withput that front they could have easily taken England. Once the US entered into it and Rssia had become a SERIOUS problem that just wasn't a posibility.

    Had they split Poland with the Russians as they had agreed to they could have cut England off and then invaded it. At that point America would have had to fight them off the east coast and we probably wouldn't have done that until we had eliminated Japan as a problem. They were a very real threat to the West Coast. Germany wasn't much of a threat to the US at that time.

    Germany lost the war because their leadership was in trouble as Hitler becamse more and more unstable. He made decissions based on emotions and wh pissed him off. Most of those decissions were made AGAIST the wishes of his Generals. Once the allies had taken North Africa the erman and Itallian troops were seriously in search of American troops to surender to!!! They knew that if they were taken by the Russians that they would be shipped to Russia and NEVER heard from again.

    LOL, I had a friend that he and one other guy got seperated from their company. They ended up surounded by a full Ittallian Company led by German officers. They thought they were goners for sure. When a German popped up with a white flag for a parly they figured that they were going to demand surender. They were sort of right. They wanted to surrender to THEM and DID SO!!! They marched back and found another full company of allies. Two men with over a hundred of rather happy Itallians and Germans marching along with them as captured POWs. LOL, my old friend actually got a Bronze Star out of that! They were put up for a Silver Stars but all things considdered they got a Bronze. Two men capturing over a hundred was just pretty impressive until you heard the whole story.
     
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  45. lonewolf

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    I do wish Americans wouldnt keep going on about the idea that they saved England in WW2, the USA didnt officially join the war until 1941 by which time the battle of Britain had long been over, Hitler had failed to conquer England and had turned his attentions to the East and Russia. Americans, and others-they werent the only ones who fought in WW2- saved Europe and Asia.
    maybe if Hitler had won the war he would then have turned his attention back to England , but he didnt do either, as it turns out the only bit of England the Germans occupied was the Channel Islands and thats nearer Europe than it is to Britain.
    anyway this forum is not about WW2 and I will delete any further remarks about it.
     
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  46. TexDanm

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    I have a Winchester 357 mag, a Savage 99F in 300 savage, A Marlin 30-30, a Henry 22 Lr, and a hammerless Winchester 22 LR, All lever actions. I have always wanted one of the old lever action shotguns. In East Texas you are mostly hunting in dense forest and other than on pipeline rightaways (which I hate to hunt) you will seldom even really need a scope. I have killed deer that were so close that I could almost smell them. 25 to 50 feet is not uncommon if you can sit still.

    LOL, I actually had a doe come right to me trying to figure out what I was. She was finally close enough to sniff and touch my feet and that sort of spooked her. It was cold and with a light rain so I guess my smell was hard for her to get. It was really neat to see her that close. I also have on more than one ocassion had a deer get right under my ladder stand and squeel at me and scare the crap out of me. Contrary to what a lot of people say, deer do look up! I would put a board between two trees and then mount the stand to the middle of that so I could look and shoot in all directions.
     
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  47. watcherchris

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    You are very very wrong here Lonewolf...

    However...to qualify what I am saying...most Americans are so dumb about history that even they do not comprehend the layout of world power and control.

    First off..I have been privileged to see one model of the M1 Garand Rifle which was experimentally chambered in .303 British for the testing by the Brits and they chose to stick with the Enfield Bolt action.
    I have no idea what such an rifle is worth ..even in experimental form but it has to be quite a lot.

    I own an Ishapore Enfield Bolt action rifle but mine is chambered in .308 NATO or sometimes called 7.62 X 51 mm and I verily like this rifle.
    I chose .308 NATO simply because it is more readily available here than .303 British and I can also Reload the 7.62 x 51 mm Calibration. But I do like the Enfield Rifle and it cycles very rapidly for a bolt action.


    Most Americans are so ignorant of history that they do not realize that we fought WW2 not for England but the Crown's investments across this Globe....the Crown Merchants....of Olde London. This includes the Pacific War ...not just in Europe..for the Crown has plenty of investments in the Pacific as well as Africa.

    We continue as boot lackeys to fight for the Crown's investments even in both Desert Wars of recent. Contract Arrangements long ago made by The Crown Merchants....in the Middle East..

    Americans are so dumb that they think The Crown is Parliament or the Throne of England...it is neither.

    America secretly and privily gave up the Monroe Doctrine ....to take up Anglo Saxon Superiority and Rule of the World.....and particularly with the advent of WW1.....not WW2....and this for the Crown and a share of the profits.

    Americans are one of the few nations so dumb we continue to fight World Wars and not bring home any spoils or new territories....talk about a dumb bunch of people.

    And someone is today trying to do the same pattern with the Ukraine. We have no critical investments in the Ukraine worth dying for by Americans. We can be a dumb bunch of people ..we Americans with our television and movie educations.

    It seems Americans are destined never to learn......


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  48. poltiregist

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    I tend to agree with this statement even here in the U.S. . Sheeple " mostly Democrats " are of the wimpy variety . One shot from a defender and I expect they would be running the other way . I haven't been keeping up with this thread simply because as a prepper prefer the government didn't have on my file what weaponry , " I may or may not have . "
     
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  49. watcherchris

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    Lonewolf...I will take time to further qualify my post above that of Poltiregist's.

    I am an American...a Yank if one further fleshes it out. I am proud to be a Yank.....

    In like manner that many are proud to be British. I find no fault with this...


    I am however...woefully aware that so many Americans know more about what is happening in Hollywood than any real history of our nation or any other world event...or even world history . It ought not to be this way.

    I have no interest in the recent drama unfolding at the Oscars and it is all of which some at work can seem to speak...to take up their time and emotion. Not for me thanks...no interest in Hollywood or the Oscars. I did not vote for any of these people to represent me...in any capacity. They do not know better than me what I need to do with my time , monies, attitudes, beliefs or vote.

    I am just very very skeptical now days of the intelligence of the average American....what is scary is that many of these people are voters.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  50. lonewolf

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    the intelligence of the average Brit is sadly lacking too.
     
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