Flipping God The Bird

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  1. Max rigger

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    Proof is being able to replicate a result, its a core element of science as I'm sure a man of your 160 IQ grasps even more than me.

    Arthur Clarke summed things up well when he wrote his three laws which I'm sure are burnt into your memory

    These so-called laws are:

    1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, they are almost certainly right. When they state that something is impossible, they are very probably wrong.
    2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
    3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
     
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  2. Old Geezer

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    I used to present some Biblical boo-boos to Born-Agains. They would go bat-#### crazy.

    There are many university professors today who hold onto Newtonian physics = intellectual inertia.

    "Quantum physics: Our study suggests objective reality doesn't exist"


    https://phys.org/news/2019-11-quantum-physics-reality-doesnt.html

    "Alternative facts are spreading like a virus across society. Now it seems they have even infected science—at least the quantum realm. This may seem counter intuitive. The scientific method is after all founded on the reliable notions of observation, measurement and repeatability. A fact, as established by a measurement, should be objective, such that all observers can agree with it.

    "But in a paper recently published in Science Advances, we show that in the micro-world of atoms and particles that is governed by the strange rules of quantum mechanics, two different observers are entitled to their own facts. In other words, according to our best theory of the building blocks of nature itself, facts can actually be subjective.

    "Observers are powerful players in the quantum world. According to the theory, particles can be in several places or states at once—this is called a superposition. But oddly, this is only the case when they aren't observed. The second you observe a quantum system, it picks a specific location or state—breaking the superposition. The fact that nature behaves this way has been proven multiple times in the lab—for example, in the famous double slit experiment ... .

    "Some physicists see these new developments as bolstering interpretations that allow more than one outcome to occur for an observation, for example the existence of parallel universes in which each outcome happens. Others see it as compelling evidence for intrinsically observer-dependent theories such as Quantum Bayesianism, in which an agent's actions and experiences are central concerns of the theory. But yet others take this as a strong pointer that perhaps quantum mechanics will break down above certain complexity scales.

    "Clearly these are all deeply philosophical questions about the fundamental nature of reality. Whatever the answer, an interesting future awaits."

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    "10 Scientific Dogmas That Need to Be Reevaluated"


    https://www.faena.com/aleph/10-scientific-dogmas-that-need-to-be-reevaluated

    "For science, if something exists it can be measured —if it cannot be measured, well, then it doesn’t exist. In a simplistic and slightly out of context metaphor, this is equivalent to saying that for the blind the world doesn’t exist because they cannot see it. What science has failed to question about itself are the very conditions in which the phenomena of the universe are observed, thus perpetuating its survival as an economic and political practice, but paradoxically, not scientific.

    "The materialist paradigm —the standard which science relies on to produce answers, in our days and for the past two-hundred years— is still unable to account for the simplest human experience: what is our consciousness? Are our dreams and feelings merely chemicals flowing through an organic computer? And if this were the case, why is it that feelings cannot be produced in a lab test tube?

    "Minds like that of Carl Sagan could easily explain, through scientific dissemination, how a being from two dimensions (in a hypothetical world) could not perceive a three dimensional world. Is it possible that in our actual dimension we cannot even suppose that the universe as we know it is not given at once and forever but, like all living creatures, that it evolves over time?

    "Is it not possible, let’s say hypothetically speaking, that the version of the universe we currently have is only what our instruments, and especially our imagination allows us to understand? If science cannot, in its current state, account for consciousness phenomena as commonplace as memory, synchronicity, or even near death experiences or spontaneous epiphanies, is it not its responsibility, in terms of science, to reevaluate its own principles?"

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    "Rethinking reality"


    https://www.sciencenews.org/century/quantum-physics-theory-revolution-reality-uncertainty

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    "Is the Mind Quantum?"

    https://noetic.org/blog/is-the-mind-quantum/

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    "Physicists explain how the brain might connect to the quantum realm"

    "Down the rabbit hole ..."

    https://www.inverse.com/science/consciousness-and-quantum-physics
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  3. Old Geezer

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    https://en-volve.com/2022/06/09/sic...-satanists-performing-unbaptisms-on-the-kids/

    "An event dubbed 'Pride in the Park' targeting young kids will include a sick leftist cult of Satanists who have sworn to perform 'unbaptisms' on the children. And this isn’t in California, but deep-red Idaho.

    "The event, which will take place this Saturday in Coeur d’Alene, is described as a 'family friendly celebration of LGBTQ+ diversity.'

    "The Satanic Temple will be there, according to the North Idaho Pride Alliance website, in an attempt to brainwash and recruit children.'

    “'@TSTIdaho will be at Coeur D’Alene’s 'Pride in the Park' event next Saturday, June 11th from 10am-3pm!' tweeted one Satanist.


    “'We will have merchandise and performing unbaptisms for those interested! Just know, Satan loves you for you! Hail Satan!'”

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    https://www.breitbart.com/entertain...sturbation-at-all-ages-l-a-pride-performance/

    "Pop star Christina Aguilera wore a green, bejeweled phallus which she pretended to masturbate during her performance at the all-ages L.A. Pride music festival Saturday night.

    "Aguilera performed at the event, which Los Angeles Daily News describes as an 'all-ages' L.A. Pride in the Park music festival to 'celebrate the LGBTQ+ community.'
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  4. watcherchris

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    Flipping God the Bird....


    here..


    A very interesting implication here and one for which the members here will often see me declaring.

    The silent implication is that your God given 2nd Amendment Right is not absolute but government power is absolute.

    Absolute power ...divine right of Kings.


    Be warned these Ishmaelites counting on us not knowing much history.

    Be very very careful of the Republican Silence on these issues.

    Remember.......the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution of the United States are all limits on the Federal Government not to the people or the States..

    This is called Limited Government.

    It is not called manufacturing chaos and confusion...or put another way ...manufacturing bad guys for political/social lucre.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    I cannot provide a link to the following article. One has to have log-in privileges to a medical library (plus, that library has to have access to many sources, i.e. very expensive / a huge undertaking; major universities do have this capability; even with all of that, I only got around 30 hits, some in foreign languages, some rather old; this article is more recent; it's a report concerning findings gained during a fetal surgery event). Also, I cannot quote the entire article, else I would be violating copyright laws. Here are some excerpts:

    "Can fetus feel pain in the second trimester? Lessons learned from a sentinel event"

    Child's Nervous System volume 34, pages 195–196 (2018)
    María J. Mayorga-Buiza; Javier Marquez-Rivas & Emilio Gomez-Gonzalez

    "Open fetal surgery (OFS) remains a major procedure for mother and fetus. In such cases, fetus anesthesia/analgesia can be provided by different routes but, in our opinion, direct administration is mandatory [3].

    "A 24-week fetus undergoing OFS for MMR under a specific protocol [4] for anesthesia and management was designed by our group: rapid sequence induction and placental support with sevoflurane, remifentanil, and phenylephrine. Intramuscular (IM) vecuronium (0.2 μg/kg), atropine (0.01 mg/kg), and fentanyl (10–20 μg/kg) are directly administered to the fetus (Fig. 1).

    "This case of fetal pain response with bradycardia led us to consider that the fetus was not adequately anesthetized and to present the hypothesis that fetus under the second trimester of pregnancy may indeed feel pain."
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    Remifentanil is a heavy-duty pain killer. Plus, fentanyl was administered to the fetus herself/himself. Sevoflurane is the anesthetic gas (derivative of ether) used to "knock you out". These agents cross the placental barrier. Still, the baby in-utero went bradycardic (heart rate slowed) when the procedure would have caused pain to a living/feeling being.

    Call me an old softy, but I wouldn't boil a kitten.
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  6. watcherchris

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    Olde Geezer....I must have missed this one up above some time ago...but just caught it today ...


    LOL LOL LOL LOL ....unbaptisms....lol lol lol....don't worry ...even many Christians will be dumb sufficient to be intimidated by this one...


    Do you know of this passage from the Book of Jude???? I think this is verse 9...only one chapter in Jude.

    Now whom do you suppose got the body of Moses?????

    These people are worried about baptism...and even Christians can be intimidated by this stuff...

    Once you know it does not even make good nonsense.

    For we are saved by Blood...not by Baptism.....and not just any blood....but the Blood...the One Blood.

    Talk about some stupid stupid people.....even many Christians can be incredibly stupid....and their ministers often keep them stupid.


    You have to be an incredibly stupid ..but highly educated idiot to define one's self by ones sexuality/Sexual Orientation.....for only today's education can dumb someone down so well.

    No thinking, educated, disciplined individual defines who and what they are by their sexuality or sexual orientation. That is incredibly stupid.

    For thinking, educated, disciplined people are so much much much more than sex and sexualty....sexual orientation.

    Only an Ishmaelite can be this naturally and giftedly stupid and proud of such stupidity and think they have license to hold everyone else in bondage to this non standard....a base standard.

    Such an person is no better than a base animal....entitled...

    And I have met LGBT XYZ, or whatever they call themselves next year, who understand this line of thinking.

    But someone needs the rest of us dumbed down and intimidated ....with this kind of bravo Sierra.

    Even this Bravo Sierra about unbaptism.....incredible.....the stupidity....going on out here.

    Wow....Ishmaelites run wild....needing the rest of us dumbed down.


    Now think this through ....if these people are that naturally stupid....how stupid do you think todays leadership is ...catering to this kind of poor nonsense????

    Did this not at one time ...was it not called... "Natural Man???"


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    Watcherchris
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      This article and others demonstrate the heat of the insanity going on. The Left is not only "out of the closet", they are out of their minds. The Left goes nuts, the Right reacts, ... . This viscous circle is fanning the flames of war. Past differences now take the form of there being two separate nations. This is a permanent, non-repairable, chasm. Urban dwellers have zero respect for those who grow their food and provide them the energy to generate the electricity upon which they are dependent. Heartland dwellers think the people in the cities have lost their sanity.
       
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  7. watcherchris

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    Agree..Olde Geezer.....carefully cultivated..and or crafted insanity.

    No ability to solve real issues and or problems but maximum ability to manufacture insanity and or chaos.

    Now that is what I call real genuine leadership.

    I see now why they had to get rid of Trump.

    As I am often want to state..................


    Give me the name of the father of insanity....chaos....confusion....


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  8. watcherchris

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    More insanity...while beating the false drums of overturning Roe VS Wade....talk about a bunch of stupid people.

    What none of the MSM and or leadership is telling us is that by sending Roe VS Wade back to the individual States...this puts female guaranteed votes in jeopardy. What the left is afraid of is losing so many female votes.

    Roe vs Wade is a vote buying scheme...government subsidizing female sexuality by financing abortion/Planned Parenthood et al....guarantees how many women will vote. A sexual government financed security blanket for votes.

    The American Public has no business subsidizing women's sex lives for votes on the public purse.

    Have all the abortions women want...they just have to pay for them....between them and their insurance companies or pay out of pocket.

    These people are going ballistic...bouncing, ricocheting off walls..across this country.


    The American taxpayer has no business subsidizing women's sex lives for votes.....masquerading as for the health of the woman. What a scam....

    Yet no one in the MSM wants to call it for what it really is...amongst all the rabid emotions.

    Rabid emotions is the first clue...like withdrawals of someone on serious drugs.

    Talk about a public dumbed down....big time..dumbed down.


    Oh.....and I could not find Abortion listed in my Constitution...Bill of Rights and or the Declaration of Independence.

    Once again....why is it that Hollywood...knows better than the rest of America on this issue...like so many other issues.???


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  9. Old Geezer

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    If I am "rabid" about anything, then it is pro-Constitution. Why would I be otherwise in my beliefs?!

    As far as I know, America has NO iron curtain. If people wish to leave this place and live in some socialist paradise, then they are excruciatingly able to do so. Lord knows folk like me will not stand in their way. Shoot, I'll chip-in a $20 bill to aid them in their journey.

    I read that Europe needs techies, needs the university educated. OK! There you go. Live in a socialist paradise. Hurrah! America being evil and all. Goodbye! Ta-ta! Abschied! Arrivederci!
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  10. watcherchris

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    I am not anti abortion per se....

    I just do not believe that the rest of America needs be held financially hostage because of someone else's sex life.

    Someone here is lying and deceiving Americans big time on this one and bending Americans over the financial table without any foreplay...pardon the crudity.

    What this is ...is a federal government/public sponsored security blanket for women ...for their votes...

    Yet no one wants to so declare....when it becomes obvious.


    Is someone out there in "Equality.....Equal opportunity ...representation of the law..." offering to so subsidize the male/men's sex lives for votes????

    You see???


    Remember now ....this is 2022....women are now equal......so why do they need to be subsidized??? They need to have equal risk in the name of Equality...not Equity. Understand the difference now???

    This type of confusion is how a political social predator works!!!! And then they have the gall to substitute Equity for Equality.

    All while deliberately dumbing down the American People and our famous MSM is in on it...so too...most of sports.

    The NBA declares war on pro-lifers (msn.com)

    Notice what is not in such articles...women should be able to make their own decisions...about their bodies...but who is going to pay for them. The pay for them part is missing...never discussed.

    If you want to have sway over your own body ..be responsible for it....pay for it....between you and your doctor and or your insurance company or out of pocket. Not have the public pay for it.

    Subsidies for votes.

    The fervor one sees over this is evidence of a devout and zealous religion at work...one which is being left undefined.

    Remember....women in 2022 are now equal...this means equal responsibility...equal risk.....not equal options while someone else bears the costs....subsidies.

    Female Votes are in jeopardy here...this is why the religious fervor....zeal....and our media and leadership lies to us here.

    Be Warned these Ishmaelites who would lie to us about most things happening out here.


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  11. watcherchris

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    Olde Geezer...

    I too am very Constitutional....and know the reasons historically for Separation of Church and State....the fourth Amendment...so to the fifth...and 2nd...and third....et al...

    And today this is often clouded over or not even taught to us in hopes that we become dumbed down....and it appears to be very effective...keeping Americans dumbed down..

    One of the most dangerous Americans is a knowledgeable Constitutionalist serving on a jury....not just in a voting booth.

    Ishmaelites work very well with a dumbed down populace.


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  12. watcherchris

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    About science...the devout and zealous religion of science.....hell bent sometimes on even replacing common sense.

    Remember who and what pays for much of science today....government does.

    Be careful that government..using and misusing science to back it up....does not replace equity for equality and then before you know it.....they are declaring....

    A long time ago.....in a galaxy far far away!!!!!!.....................................................................as the new government religion.


    I am not against science...but be careful what kind of whores are financing much of science....social/political whores....who would sell our very souls for more power and control over the herd.


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites ...even in science financed and controlled by Government.

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  13. watcherchris

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    Lonewolf.....I just re read this from page 1 of this thread...interesting point you have made here..


    Now this lonewolf...very very interesting....very interesting.


    Think and or re think about this from a historical aspect here of a more common government policy called "Democide." Death by Democracy...death by ones own government.

    Democide is what logical, reasonable, educated, intelligent, illuminated men do to each other...particularly in the time of a very devout and zealous religion called Science...or if you prefer...."Scientific Government." The government of reasonable men..

    Democide...Wiki...

    Democide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (zubiaga.org)

    R. J Rummel...

    What religion are you talking about here??....no matter what one wants to claim....,about religion causing so many wars...262 million people in about 100 years is a lot of people. What is the name of this religion lonewolf....running rampant and rabid in the last 100 years:???

    Notice how this facet and information is missing from most news and or public education taught to us today.

    Remember ...something lonwolf...the last 100 years is the time of science...intellect..reasonable men...running things...yes??? What religion is this running things in the last 100 years of history...what is the name of this devout religion lonewolf...??? I would verily like to know it's name...the religion of wise men....the religion of science....the religion of reasonable men..intellects and enlightened people????

    I think it is often referred as Humanism...is it not????

    I suggest you find out what the real religion is of most politicians and or leadership is in this world.....and recalibrate what you are thinking and or taking for granted.

    R. J. Rummel would greatly differ with you.

    Don't worry...the average American is dumb as a box of rocks on this one too...and leadership would prefer we be kept dumb...but not all of us.
    I put no faith in the United Nations.....for much of this death has happened on the watch of the fabled United Nations....what a cesspool of hot gas. Same with the olde League of Nations...hot gas.

    Be warned these Ishmaelites.

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  14. Old Geezer

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    Another interesting event in growing Anti-Religion religion -- a library has been invaded by a Christian. The Christian had to be removed violently. As everyone knows, one woman can impregnate another woman (no spermatazoa required, just two eggs does the trick) and two men can create a baby via anal coitus. The sun revolves around the Earth. Up is down and down is up.

    "Pastor shoved out door, knocked flat on his back after protesting library's drag queen event for children. Now Canadian cops have charged pastor with hate crime."

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/pasto...ve-charged-pastor-with-hate-crime#toggle-gdpr

    "Cellphone video caught the moment a Canadian pastor was shoved out the door and knocked flat on his back after protesting a library's drag queen event last weekend — for which children were in attendance — and now police in Calgary, Alberta, have charged the pastor with a hate crime."

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  15. lonewolf

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    Drag is not a religion neither is it a race. its a lifestyle choice.
     
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    There is a problem with science today and one often left undefined such that most people do not catch on to the devout and zealous religion overtaking science.

    And that is...when science becomes used for the purpose of herding people out of their Rights and Libertie...by politics...it now becomes an important part of the very very zealous religion of Politics....

    And we are seeing this more and more ...today and often used/misused by the forces of the left to keep people politically and socially herded..even out of their rights and liberties..

    To keep people ignorant...unaware...and even afrighted....into not thinking...but when they do think.....that these people believe the solutions to many things is more government...

    Thijs now becomes a religion..and a zealous religion.....but one which benefits the body politic...and not the people of any nation. It becomes a non representative government...or put another way...not the product advertised..

    Bewarned these Ishmaelites in both Science and Politics.


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    by Lonewolf....


    Anyone knowing a modicum of history would disagree.

    For in many of the ancient religions ...rampant, rabid, runaway sexuality was an important part of their religion and approved by government...in particular on certain holidays...

    This to the point of huge orgies...public orgies in certain nations and cultures...approved by the religions and governments in those days.

    The Two Babylons

    By Alexander Hislop


    Occult Theocrasy

    by

    Edith Starr Miller.

    and others.


    What I am talking about here ..is the combining of church and state ....without most people being aware of it.

    This is an olde religion re packaged.....without most people...knowing so little history being unaware it is happening.

    I can make the same argument for Science and politics in bed together for the purpose of controlling the herd......a devout and zealous religion....seducing science for political gain.


    There is also something very strange and perverse about sexualizing children...in particular by educated, illuminated, Enlightened Men of Letters....who ought to know better.

    Parents who know better ...do not approve of sexualizing their children in public schools by such men of Letters...for they know that it is in essence ....,.

    Stealing the very childhood from their children by bringing them into adulthood before their time.



    This Lonewolf...is demonic...demonism at work...

    One has to become educated to be come so giftedly stupid and proud of it.


    This ...today is called Leadership.


    What they are trying to do over the long run....is groom malleable, controllable, guaranteed , predictable voters who think they are more mature and entitled than they really are...the next generation of leftist voters.

    This is demonic.


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    nothing to do with demons and everything to do with a woke secular society without morals of any kind. I have no time for deviants.
    I wish they had never decriminalised homosexuality, "shirt lifters" we use to call them in the 1960s.
    its not right that these drag queens are influencing young children, telling them there are 72 genders, these poor little children must be so confused.
    if this type of behaviour becomes endemic then society wont just fall apart it will cease to exist.
     
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    Wow lonewolf......just wow!!!!


    No thinking educated intelligent , human being defines who and what they are by their sexuality. That is just plain stupid to the N th degree...

    Because education is discipline.....,

    and thinking human should be more than just sexuality...

    Talk about base....talk about stupid.... This kind of thing does not separate humans from base animals..

    I do not need a PHD to understand this.

    I am not speaking against sexuality ..but people ...disciplined, educated, thinking humans...should be more than this.....much much much more..



    look...lonweolf...I like the female form as much as the next man...but to me...if that is all that a female has ...she is to me High Maintenance........understand...???

    I can get High Maintenance females anywhere...they are not a rare and valuable commodity out here..

    And you are seeing males out here today...raised primarily by women..who are themselves higher maintenance than many females.

    That is a formula for society suicide..

    Is not someone out here today...trying to conceal this society suicide by manufacturing much confusion......much much confusion...up is down ...down is up ...et al?? The reversal of so many things in life today.

    Ishmaelites run wild.....


    Oh...lonewolf....this..

    Lonewolf.....give me the name of the author of confusion??? By historical name please???





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  20. lonewolf

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    I'm not really concerned about any of this Chris. most of these types of which we speak ARE defined by their sexuality, their sexuality is all they have, without it they are nothing, an empty shell.
    only if it affects me personally which at the moment it does not, its just me watching society degenerate and slowly collapse like I knew all along it would, thats why I prepare, its just a matter of time before the whole sorry mess that is civilisation finally collapses and goes the way of the Dinosaurs and the Do-Do.
    Confusion? I would assume that this is the belief system of one Confucius, but I could be wrong.
     
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    Agree lonewolf...it does not affect me per se...as I do not define myself by my sexuality...

    However ...I do worry about my family ...primarily television and or movie trained and educated.....

    My nieces and nephews....children and grandchildren et al.

    What kind of world are they going to inhabit or inherit run by emotional drama queens...with little else but their rampant, rabid, runaway sexuality.?? This even by ersatz leadership who constantly prey on peoples fears and insecurities..


    Ishmaelites run wild....


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  22. lonewolf

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    I have no family left to speak of, only in laws and they are all sheeple so will follow the herd ( for instance they all had the multiple clot shot).
     
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    Every time Biden backs the whole woke/trans/LGBT bunch he wins voters. When the vice president of the USA lists on her web site her preferred pronouns as she/her you know the country is fast going down the crapper.
     
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    This may not be a popular attitude but I'm not a big fan of the AR-15 or even an M-16 for survival use. If I want one after the crap comes all the way down I'll just kill some silly fool that is walking down the middle of the road with his BAD AR-15 sure that in some way it makes him the baddest bull in the pasture.

    Assault weapons are platoon weapons and not a very good one-person choice. First off, they are made for and intended for causing casualties that are NOT immediately dead. Wars are won more by overwhelming the enemy's ability to care for their wounded than by just killing them. I do NOT want to deal with injured people that if I don't track down and finish will come back for me later.

    In an end-of-the-world, as we know it situation, I do NOT want people to know what I am all about, where I am, or that I will kill them on sight if they come past my signs that warn them off. REAL FAST in a place that no longer has a rule of law those that have mostly limited their crimes to minor things will become killers.

    What they won't understand until it is too late is that a lot of us don't just kill them because we don't want to deal with those legal issues. Law saddly protects the criminals a lot more than it does the non-criminals. Basically, the laws only go into effect for a criminal if and after they get caught whereas honest people can only defend themselves after they are attacked because they obey the laws. When the blanket comes off the honest folks there are going to be a LOT of dead people really fast.
     
  25. Old Geezer

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    I'm no member of the AR crowd. If an "assault rifle" has a heavy barrel and a decent scope you can use it as a food gatherer. Lots of folk do. For instance, these are effective when killing a bunch of hogs.

    When I think of multiple human attackers, I think of buckshot. I leave the tube magazine restricter out of my pump shotguns. With a pump shotgun, you can swap barrels for different uses. Short smooth bore for home defense, long barrel with screw-in chokes for game gathering, and a rifled barrel to accurately fire sabot slugs for large game or attackers out to 200 yards (over 150 yards/meters and you are stretching the capabilities of these). I fired a 3" group with sabot slugs at 100 yards with one of my rifled/slug barrels and that was with iron sights.

    Another thing about having "assault rifles" is that post SHTF, you don't want to be anywhere near large urban areas. Me, I don't want to be closer than 200 miles from that crap. Foremost, I need accuracy from my rifles.

    Spray'n'pray? That will inevitably get you killed. Movies and television are anything but reality. Copy what you see in the movies and you are dead meat ... and quickly so. NEVER waste ammo!
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      My ar15 has a 24 inch barrel and 6 x 24 x 50 scope. 223 Wylde and I shoot 69 grain hollow points. If I do my job it will do it's job. My second Ar15 is a 7.62 x 39 and is also scoped. 124 grain hollow points. Out to 300 yards, I don't think it will be a problem. Both rifles have 3 pound triggers and shoot 1 MOA groups at 100 yards. The right ar15 in the right hands will solve most shooting problems.
       
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  26. TexDanm

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    Neither of those two ARs is a militaristic weapon and they are far from what I am generally referring to when I talk about an AR-15. Most of the AR-15s that I worked on had been used mostly as a sort of toy and were fired in long rapid-fire series emptying 30 rounds as fast as possible. A few had been made into illegal full auto and you would have been doing good to hit a man-sized target at 300 yards EVER. Those were truly spray-and-pray weapons. You prayed that you could hit the broad side of a barn with them. They had been shot a LOT and seldom given much care.

    Excepting people with military training or those that are truly serious experienced shooters, I would much rather deal with someone with an AR than with some old fart with a Winchester 30-30. That old fart has probably been hunting with that gun for most of his life. When he pulls the trigger something dies.
     
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  27. Old Geezer

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    "FBI Plan to Target Christians Exposes the Left’s Fear of Faith"

    https://amac.us/fbi-plan-to-target-christians-exposes-the-lefts-fear-of-faith/

    "Anti-Christian bigotry is, horribly, nothing new. At the very start of the faith, Christians were attacked, denigrated, criminalized, and murdered. Over 2000 years later, we still see the ignorant and the envious targeting of Christians everywhere. But there is a new and dangerous development in our 21st century modern world – our own government is joining the mob. From labeling people of faith as extremists, ignoring or downplaying anti-Christian hate crimes, devising a plan to spy on “traditional” Catholic churches, to making jokes when asked about mass shooting targeting Christians. The Biden administration would make Stalin proud with its all-systems signaling that Christians are a problem.

    "The most recent blatant move against people of faith by this administration was brought to us by a whistleblower who revealed a disturbing Federal Bureau of Investigation plan to implement a national domestic surveillance effort against “traditional” Catholic Churches. The Washington Times reported, 'The House Judiciary Committee revealed new details…about the FBI field office in Richmond’s plan to spy on Catholic churches and church leaders, including that the plan was distributed to other FBI offices across the country.'

    "Moreover, the whistleblower noted the FBI has decided those who attend Latin Mass are the core of a problem producing what the agents labeled 'Radical-Traditionalist Catholics,' or RTCs. And how do they 'mitigate' this threat? They would recruit spies within the targeted churches and from 'mainstream' Catholic parishes.

    "The new avenue with which to declare Christians terrorists. Make no mistake, they’ll start with Catholics, then move to every other denomination and faith that has not fully pledged allegiance to the new woke religion.

    "Once again, those perceived as current or future political opponents are being isolated, labeled, smeared, and then criminalized. This is exactly the process Merrick Garland, the DOJ, and FBI used to target and declare parents who were attending school board meetings as 'domestic terrorists.' This is exactly what Biden is trying to do writ-large to 70 million Americans who voted for Trump – we are 'semi-fascists' who are a threat to democracy.

    "Ultimately, the FBI church document was withdrawn due to the outrage but the damage was done when it was sent by the Richmond, Virginia field office to every FBI field office in the country. FBI Director Christopher Wray told the Senate Intelligence Committee on March 8 that he was “aghast” by the memo and said his agency does not ‘conduct investigations based on religious affiliation or practices, full stop.’

    "This news in itself is enough to overwhelm. It represents not just an abandonment of the Constitution but a complete rejection of the principles contained in our founding document. This action by federal law enforcement is quintessentially un-American and the antithesis of what this nation stands for. And yet somehow we have enough people in the FBI who not only got the idea, which is bad enough, but then fleshed it out, wrote it down, got it approved, and then distributed it through the country.

    "It is time to admit the obvious, that the targeting and marginalizing of Christians in particular is a deliberate, complex, culture-wide effort to depress, enrage, and divide Americans. Repulsively, it bears the stamp of approval of the Biden administration and the Democratic Party apparatchiks who continue to prop up the fools who continue to destroy our country, economically and culturally.

    "This targeting of Christians is a necessary and urgent action for the left, and it always has been. For Marxists, they and their woke church of Big Government cannot survive if people look to God, to faith, to inform their values. There can be only one God, and the miserable left demand that it be them."

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    Coming to Amerika: political divide, racial divide, personal faith vs. god-government divide. This is planned. This is war.
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