War In Ukraine

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  1. Old Geezer

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    "NATO chief sees ‘some signs’ China could back Russia’s war"

    https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...-stoltenberg-e8874580698b31cdfac96a60f13eef5b

    "WARSAW, Poland (AP) — NATO’s chief said Wednesday that the military alliance has seen “some signs” that China may be planning to support Russia in its war in Ukraine, and strongly urged Beijing to desist from what would be a violation of international law.

    "China has pointedly refused to criticize the invasion of Ukraine while echoing Moscow’s claim that the U.S. and NATO were to blame for provoking the Kremlin. China, Russia and South Africa are holding naval drills in the Indian Ocean this week."

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    https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/22/china-russia-ukraine-support-wang-yi-lethal-aid/

    "Attempts to establish a so-called floor for U.S.-China relations have crumbled, revealing a gaping abyss beneath. The spy balloon controversy earlier this month seems to have strengthened hard-line anti-U.S. views within the Chinese leadership. One year after Russia invaded Ukraine, Beijing is signaling ever stronger support for Moscow, despite U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s warning that any lethal aid would bring 'serious consequences.'

    "The result is a barrage of diplomacy and propaganda against Washington and in favor of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Over the last week, top Chinese diplomat Wang Yi visited Europe, participating in the Munich Security Conference before traveling on to Moscow. In Munich, Wang refused to apologize for China’s intrusion into U.S. airspace and called Washington’s reaction 'weak' and 'near-hysterical.'

    "Anti-U.S. sentiment in Chinese state media has ramped up since the spy balloon crisis began. Much of it has focused on Russia’s war in Ukraine, which Chinese outlets portray as a righteous response to NATO aggression. This week, China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent a clumsy communique on U.S. hegemony to Western journalists, seeking to draw attention to the 'perils of the U.S. practices to world peace and stability and the well-being of all peoples.'

    "China may already be providing non-lethal military aid to Russia, according to U.S. officials. Supplying weaponry would be a major escalation—but a plausible one in the current geopolitical context. It’s also possible that China sees the war in Ukraine as an opportunity to test its weaponry, which hasn’t been used on the battlefield since the Chinese invasion of Vietnam in 1979, save for brief skirmishes in the mid-1980s. But the lethal aid Russia could use in Ukraine wouldn’t bear much resemblance to the components needed for a naval and air war over Taiwan."
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  2. Old Geezer

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    With all wars and especially this Russia vs Ukraine thing, what is going on behind the scenes is pure evil -- thick politics while young people are losing their lives.

    "Self-styled creator of pro-Russian ‘Z’ symbol reportedly assassinated"

    https://intelnews.org/2023/02/07/01-3253/#more-21814

    "A LEADING RUSSIAN NATIONALIST, who styled himself as the originator of ‘Z’, the symbol of the Russian campaign in Ukraine, has reportedly died after being shot in the head in an apparent assassination. Igor Mangushev, 36, is a prominent figure in Russia’s nationalist circles. A vocal supporter of Russian premier Vladimir Putin, Mangushev’s hardline and unapologetically nationalist social media presence has helped popularize the Kremlin’s policies among younger Russians.

    "The Ukrainian government has not commented on the alleged assassination attempt, though the story has been widely circulated in Ukrainian news websites and social media platforms."

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    "When the Plan Fails"

    https://voxday.net/2023/01/29/when-the-plan-fails/

    "A Rand report published in April 2019 laid out US strategy vis-a-vis Russia, which as you can see in hindsight, was followed fairly closely to the letter. Note that 'extending' Russia is shorthand for 'causing the Russians to overextend and unbalance themselves'.

    "What’s fascinating is that now RAND is rapidly backtracking on the idea of extending Russia, because the US attempts to extend Russia have turned out to extend the USA, its NATO proxies, the other European states, and Clown World itself. Remember what I said in the previous post about NATO needing to win fast? That’s why Rand wants to pull a Vietnam/Afghanistan, call it a win, and get the US military out of Eastern Europe as quickly as possible."

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    Meanwhile ...

    "Russia covertly mapping key energy infrastructure for sabotage, Dutch report warns"

    https://intelnews.org/2023/02/21/01-3257/

    "THE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES are 'covertly mapping' the energy infrastructure of the North Sea, in preparation for acts of disruption and sabotage, according to a new report form the Dutch government. The 32-page report was published this week, ahead of the one-year anniversary of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. It was authored collaboratively by the two main intelligence agencies of the Netherlands, the General Intelligence and Security Service (AIVD) and the Military Intelligence and Security Service (MIVD).

    "According to the report, Russian intelligence and espionage activities in the North Sea indicate preparatory acts of disruption and sabotage. These appear to be aimed at energy systems, but also other vital infrastructure, such as undersea power and communication cables, and even drinking water facilities. Consequently, physical threats toward any and all of these facilities should be viewed as conceivable, the report warns."

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  3. lonewolf

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    there is certainly more to the Russia/Ukraine war than we are being told.
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    "Whitewashing Ukraine’s Corruption"

    https://www.cato.org/commentary/whitewashing-ukraines-corruption#

    "Statements from U.S. and other Western officials, as well as pervasive accounts in the news media, have created a stunningly misleading image of Ukraine. There has been a concerted effort to portray the country not only as a victim of brutal Russian aggression, but as a plucky and noble bulwark of freedom and democracy. The conventional narrative would have us believe that Ukraine is an Eastern European version of Denmark.

    "The promoters of that narrative contend that the ongoing war is not just a quarrel between Russia and Ukraine over Kiev’s ambitions to join NATO and Moscow’s territorial claims in Crimea and the Donbas. No, they insist—the war is part of a global struggle between democracy and authoritarianism, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is a leader worthy of nothing less than Winston Churchill’s legacy. President Biden, in his March 26 remarks on the war, said the conflict was 'a battle between democracy and autocracy, between liberty and repression, between a rules‐based order and one governed by brute force.'

    "The notion that Ukraine was such an appealing democratic model in Eastern Europe that the country’s mere existence terrified Putin may be a comforting myth to U.S. politicians and pundits, but it is a myth. Ukraine is far from being a democratic‐capitalist model and an irresistible magnet for Russia’s groaning masses. The reality is murkier and troubling: Ukraine has long been one of the more corrupt countries in the international system. In its annual report published in January 2022, Transparency International ranked Ukraine 123rd of the 180 countries it examined, with a score of 32 on a one to 100 point scale. By comparison, notoriously corrupt Russia ranked just modestly lower, 139th, with a score of 29.

    "Ukraine’s track record of protecting democracy and civil liberties is not much better than its performance on corruption. In Freedom House’s 2022 report, Ukraine is listed in the 'partly free' category, with a score of 61 out of a possible 100. Other countries in that category include such bastions of liberal democracy as Rodrigo Duterte’s Philippines (55), Serbia (62), Hungary (59), and Singapore (47). Interestingly, Hungary—which has been a target of vitriolic criticism among progressives in the West because of Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s conservative social policy—ranks eight points higher than Ukraine, which is the recipient of uncritical praise from the same Western ideological factions.

    "Even before the war erupted, there were ugly examples of authoritarianism in Ukraine’s political governance. Just months after the 2014 Maidan revolution, there were efforts to smother domestic critics, which accelerated as years passed. Ukrainian officials also harassed political dissidents, adopted censorship measures, and barred foreign journalists whom they regarded as critics of the Ukrainian government and its policies. Such offensive actions were criticized by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, and other independent observers. The neo‐Nazi Azov Battalion was an integral part of President Petro Poroshenko’s military and security apparatus, and it has retained that role during Zelensky’s presidency.

    "Indeed, some repressive measures deepened under Zelensky even before the outbreak of war with Russia. In February 2021, the Ukrainian government closed several (mostly, but not entirely pro‐Russia) independent media outlets. They did so on the basis of utterly vague, open‐ended standards. Zelensky has now used the war as a justification for outlawing 11 opposition parties and nationalizing several media outlets. Those are hardly appropriate measures in a democracy, even in wartime.

    "It is entirely appropriate to sympathize with Ukrainians who are experiencing terrible suffering as a result of Vladimir Putin’s decision to launch a war. Whatever the level of provocations from the United States and its NATO allies, and Ukraine’s willingness to collaborate in those provocations, Russia’s response was over‐the‐top. It created a dangerous breach of the peace in Europe and a humanitarian catastrophe. However, one can condemn Putin’s actions and even cheer on Ukraine’s military resistance without fostering a false image of Ukraine’s political system. The country is not a symbol of freedom and liberal democracy, and the war is not an existential struggle between democracy and authoritarianism. At best, Ukraine is a corrupt, quasi‐democratic entity with troubling repressive policies.

    "Given that sobering reality, calls for Americans to 'stand with Ukraine' are misplaced. Preserving Ukraine’s independence and territorial integrity most certainly are not worth the United States risking war with a nuclear‐armed Russia."
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  5. lonewolf

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    I dont give a damn about anyone's opinion of Ukraine, democracy or not, Ukraine did not invade Russia nor did it threaten Russia, all the aggression came from Russia, Russia invaded Ukraine not the other way around and its Russian soldiers who are committing war crimes on civilians.
    there is corruption in the US but its still referred to as a democracy.
    Russian foreign minister Lavrov laughed at by audience at G20 in India for Ukraine invasion propaganda.
    I see one of Putin's warlords is seriously ill probably been poisoned, that happens a lot to people close to Putin dosent it? strange that.
     
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  6. lonewolf

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    As far as I am concerned and this is only my personal opinion, I think Russia has been shown to be a 3rd rate power, they are using ww2 and ww1 tactics in the 21st century, we have trench warfare and (russian) troops used as no more than cannon fodder-thats ww1 warfare, rape and murder of civilians and murder of unarmed prisoners of war(ww2), if they didnt have nuclear weapons I think The Allies would have gone in long ago, pretty sure that is the only thing stopping Nato and the fact Ukraine isnt a Nato member.
    Putin is no military strategist thats for sure, he's a Soviet Era spy and not a good one at that.
     
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  7. TMT Tactical

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    While I am rooting for the Ukraine, they cannot fight a war of attrition. Even with a 5 to 1 kill rate (latest estimate), they cannot sustain those kind of losses. The Ukraine needs to put an end to this war as fast as possible, if they hope to win. As I have stated many times, warriors win battles but logistics win wars. The Ukraine is getting supplies and equipment from other nations but not manpower. They need troops on the ground and that is where they have a serious problem. Not enough replacements to compensate for their losses. Here is the catch 22. If NATO sends in troops, then WW3 will be a fact. If NATO does not send in troops and Ukraine cannot start a successful offensive and quickly drive Russia troops back into Russia, then the Ukraine will loose the war. Simple logistic: If I have 50 solders and you only have 5, I can afford to lose 25 to kill your 5.
     
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      I deeply want Ukraine to win ... this, even though their government is corrupt to the max. I hate bullies with all that is within me. Putin is a spiritual puke. In the long-term, Ukraine can't win and if they do, Russia's Kremlin brass will go theater nuke on them. The situation is beyond complicated and cannot be understood by the people of Western nations. This is spiritual nausea to the max. Welcome to the human species. "Gag me with a spoon."
       
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  8. lonewolf

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    the only way Russia can win is with heavy artillery, and much of that is running out due to the rate they are using them, the conscripts arent up to it and many are refusing to travel to the front line, one soldier blew his own brains out rather than serve.
     
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    https://crackittoday.com/current-affairs/kinzhal-missile-russia/

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    Russia recently fired hypersonic Kinzhal missiles as part of a massive wave of strikes on Ukraine.

    • The Kh-47M2, nicknamed “Kinzhal” is a nuclear-capable, Russian air-launched ballistic option with a 10-50 kt warhead.
    • It has a reported range of 1,500-2,000 km.
    • It is designed to be launched from MiG-31 fighter jets at altitudes of about 18 km (59,000 ft).
    • This missile maneuvers during all stages of its flight to overcome hostile air defense systems.
    • A hypersonic missile is a weapon system which flies at least at the speed of Mach 5e. five times the speed of sound and is manoeuvrable.
    • These missiles are extremely fast and far harder for surface-to-air missile defence systems to target.
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  10. lonewolf

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    Putin now sending female convicts to the front line to make up the numbers lost in the fighting.
    The Hague to issue arrest warrants for Russian war crimes in Ukraine.
     
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  11. arctic bill

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    i read that the ukrainians are going to hold on to makbut because all the top russian and wagner units are pinned down and suffering huge losses . sort of like a stalingrad in reverse. Without the top unit the spring offensive with not be possible .
     
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  12. lonewolf

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    its not going that good for the Russians, thats why they keep threatening to nuke Britain.
     
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  14. Old Geezer

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    "Ukraine short of skilled troops and munitions as losses, pessimism grow"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/03/13/ukraine-casualties-pessimism-ammunition-shortage/

    Here are some quotes from the article; however, I encourage readers to go the link and read the entire report. All I've done is to pick-out some salient paragraphs. American military brass statements paint a better picture for the Ukraine, but then, they cannot express anything that is contrary to the official script / U.S. government propaganda. All world leaders lie to the people. Matters are going sideways on our planet and the overlords do not want to see "the little people" break rank. The herding must continue.

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    DNIPROPETROVSK REGION, Ukraine — The quality of Ukraine’s military force, once considered a substantial advantage over Russia, has been degraded by a year of casualties that have taken many of the most experienced fighters off the battlefield, leading some Ukrainian officials to question Kyiv’s readiness to mount a much-anticipated spring offensive.

    U.S. and European officials have estimated that as many as 120,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or wounded since the start of Russia’s invasion early last year, compared with about 200,000 on the Russian side, which has a much larger military and roughly triple the population from which to draw conscripts. Ukraine keeps its running casualty numbers secret, even from its staunchest Western supporters.

    Statistics aside, an influx of inexperienced draftees, brought in to plug the losses, has changed the profile of the Ukrainian force, which is also suffering from basic shortages of ammunition, including artillery shells and mortar bombs, according to military personnel in the field.

    “The most valuable thing in war is combat experience,” said a battalion commander in the 46th Air Assault Brigade, who is being identified only by his call sign, Kupol, in keeping with Ukrainian military protocol. “A soldier who has survived six months of combat and a soldier who came from a firing range are two different soldiers. It’s heaven and earth.”

    “And there are only a few soldiers with combat experience,” Kupol added. “Unfortunately, they are all already dead or wounded.”

    And the situation for Russia may be worse. During a NATO meeting last month, U.K. Defense Minister Ben Wallace said that 97 percent of Russia’s army was already deployed in Ukraine and that Moscow was suffering “First World War levels of attrition.”

    One senior Ukrainian government official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid, called the number of tanks promised by the West a “symbolic” amount. Others privately voiced pessimism that promised supplies would even reach the battlefield in time.

    “If you have more resources, you more actively attack,” the senior official said. “If you have fewer resources, you defend more. We’re going to defend. That’s why if you ask me personally, I don’t believe in a big counteroffensive for us. I’d like to believe in it, but I’m looking at the resources and asking, ‘With what?’ Maybe we’ll have some localized breakthroughs.”

    “We don’t have the people or weapons,” the senior official added. “And you know the ratio: When you’re on the offensive, you lose twice or three times as many people. We can’t afford to lose that many people.”

    After a year of war, Kupol, a lieutenant colonel, said his battalion is unrecognizable. Of about 500 soldiers, roughly 100 were killed in action and another 400 wounded, leading to complete turnover. Kupol said he was the sole military professional in the battalion, and he described the struggle of leading a unit composed entirely of inexperienced troops.

    “I get 100 new soldiers,” Kupol said. “They don’t give me any time to prepare them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop everything and run. That’s it. Do you understand why? Because the soldier doesn’t shoot. I ask him why, and he says, ‘I’m afraid of the sound of the shot.’ And for some reason, he has never thrown a grenade. … We need NATO instructors in all our training centers, and our instructors need to be sent over there into the trenches. Because they failed in their task.”

    He described severe ammunition shortages, including a lack of simple mortar bombs and grenades for U.S.-made MK 19s.

    Ukraine has also faced an acute shortage of artillery shells, which Washington and its allies have scrambled to address, with discussions about how to shore up Ukrainian stocks dominating daily meetings on the war at the White House National Security Council. Washington’s efforts have kept Ukraine fighting, but use rates are very high, and scarcity persists.

    “You’re on the front line,” Kupol said. “They’re coming toward you, and there’s nothing to shoot with.”

    Dmytro, a Ukrainian soldier whom The Post is identifying only by first name for security reasons, described many of the same conditions. Some of the less-experienced troops serving at his position with the 36th Marine Brigade in the Donetsk region “are afraid to leave the trenches,” he said. Shelling is so intense at times, he said, that one soldier will have a panic attack, then “others catch it.”

    The first time he saw fellow soldiers very shaken, Dmytro said, he tried to talk them through the reality of the risks. The next time, he said, they “just ran from the position.”

    “I don’t blame them,” he said. “They were so confused.”

    The challenges stem from steep losses. Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s commander in chief, said in August that nearly 9,000 of his soldiers had died. In December, Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Zelensky, said the number was up to 13,000. But Western officials have given higher estimates and, in any case, the Ukrainian figures excluded the far larger number of wounded who are no longer able to fight.

    A German official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to be candid, said that Berlin estimates Ukrainian casualties, including dead and wounded, are as high as 120,000. “They don’t share the information with us because they don’t trust us,” the official said.

    Meanwhile, a Russian offensive has been building since early January, according to Syrsky. Budanov, Ukraine’s military intelligence chief, told The Post last month that Russia had more than 325,000 soldiers in Ukraine, and another 150,000 mobilized troops could soon join the fight. Ukrainian soldiers report being outnumbered and having less ammunition.

    Despite reports of untrained mobilized Russian fighters being thrown into battle, Syrsky said those now arriving are well-prepared. “We have to live and fight in these realities,” he said. “Of course, it’s problematic for us. … It forces us to be more precise in our firing, more detailed in our reconnaissance, more careful in choosing our positions and more detailed in organizing the interaction between the units. There is no other way.”

    A Ukrainian official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly, said the battle for Bakhmut was depleting Russian forces there — mainly Wagner fighters who have been Moscow’s most effective of late — and that Ukrainian units defending the city were not slated to be deployed in upcoming offensive operations anyway.

    Ukraine has lost many of its junior officers who received U.S. training over the past nine years, eroding a corps of leaders who helped distinguish the Ukrainians from their Russian enemies at the start of the invasion, the Ukrainian official said. Now, the official said, those forces must be replaced. “A lot of them are killed,” the official said.


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  15. watcherchris

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    I've learned more detail about the Ukrainian war....from this fellow...Douglas Macgregor in one session than I've learned via the MSM....including the vaunted Fox News...in a year.

    Some of you might find this fellow interesting.

    Here he is being interviewed by a fellow named Scott Ritter..


    Scott Ritter: Ukraine JUST Made A FATAL MISTAKE - YouTube

    again here...

    Col. Macgregor: UKRAINE WILL BE DESTROYED - YouTube

    Douglas Macgregor: The Russian Advance in Ukraine - YouTube


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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  16. Old Geezer

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    Things that I believe could be expected, but that will be unimaginably dangerous to any sort of world status-quo:

    > Russia using theater nukes

    > China and/or North Korea sending-in troops

    Talk about upsetting the apple cart! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: China has military advisers there mainly as information gatherers. China needs to understand how to fight back against American military technology due to their expectation that war with America is pretty-much inevitable.

    Currently, Russia is using the Wagner Group mercenaries. Wagner gets soldiers from all over the planet.

    Here's a few quotes from within an article; however, the total article is a great read and I deeply encourage anyone to read the entire article. Fascinating how evil and greasy this Wagner Group is! And it's leader, wow, what an anti-Christ!

    "Wagner Group lures foreign mercenaries with bumped-up salaries as Russia suffers losses"


    "Russian paramilitary outfit liaising with organised crime groups in Latin America and Europe to recruit more fighters, sources tell MEE"


    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/wagner-group-russia-foreign-mercenaries-salaries-suffers-losses

    "The Wagner Group, Russia’s state-backed private military organisation, has increased its recruitment efforts outside of Russia after suffering heavy losses in southern Ukraine, two sources familiar with the paramilitary group told Middle East Eye.

    "The sources said Wagner is rapidly losing fighters and equipment due to disarray within the Russian army itself.

    "According to the sources, Wagner has sought to replenish its forces by recruiting mercenaries from Turkey, Serbia, Czechia, Poland, Hungary, Germany, Canada, Moldova and Latin American countries. The foreign fighters are being lured with higher than usual incomes.

    "Pre-war, Wagner paid its fighters between $3,000 to $5,000 a month, but the sources said those rates had now been bumped up to $10,000.

    “'They would usually recruit people with solid military experience, but the invasion has changed Wagner,' one of the sources familiar with the issue told MEE. 'Now they are trying to reach the individuals who will not hesitate to kill people and are in need of cash.'

    "The new recruitment campaign has been channelled through Russian oligarchs living in Europe and their intermediaries, who are in contact with the local organised crime groups, the sources said.

    "Wagner publicly started to recruit prisoners from Russian jails earlier this year and sent them to the frontlines in Ukraine. According to the sources, the recruitment efforts in prisons, where inmates are offered amnesties and salaries to take up arms, are continuing."
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  17. watcherchris

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    by Artic Bill...

    What I am picking up is that spring offensive will be later in the year as in spring defrost things will turn to mud...not conducive to heavy Armour and such.

    By Lonewolf...


    I think that they keep threatening to nuke Britian because they know something the average Brit and American both do not know...

    And that is that so many world events have been stage managed from the Olde City of London...wherein are to be found the world class merchants....behind the Bank of England and the world class insurance company...Lloyds of London.

    Also control of much of world wide media....

    It is these Merchant classes who have been fomenting economic conditions and also in the process subverting whole governments to do their bidding.

    I am not talking about Parliament here...nor the King/Queen...but the merchants out of Olde London...sometimes called The City.


    It is these British Merchants group/groups who cultivated world slavery ...only to give it up because they found a better way to make slaves in the world opium trade.....a very covered up history.

    Hong Kong was their private investment as are Crown Colonies..

    And I believe today...their Hong Kong investments have been quietly moved to Taiwan. Some mayhap to Singapore..

    Banking and Insurance....


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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  18. Old Geezer

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    London stores lots of the world's gold. Or at least it used to. There are all manner of conspiracy stories concerning where the world's gold is currently being stored.

    Shiny metals, shiny gemstones -- these may seem petty, yet thousands die each year in the surreptitious transfer of wealth via these forms of "money". Central governments, the mega-wealthy, and drug lords have to have their special currencies.

    Were Russia to dump the diamonds it stores, the international price of diamonds would utterly collapse. Russia could do this to severely injure the Israeli economy. Mega-wealth is often transferred via super-precious gemstones of color such as sapphires, rubies, and emeralds. This way, the size of a tremendous amount of value is in a small container, or inside a human being (not their clothing; inside their body ... use your imagination; doesn't show up on a body-scan at airports).

    This woman was smuggling diamonds:
    https://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2014/02/26/canadians-nab-female-66-with-10000-diamonds-in-body/

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    A warm & fuzzy article from back in 2001:

    "Conspiracy Theory • Gems & Junkies in Burma"

    https://ruby-sapphire.com/articles/760-gems-junkies-in-burma-gem-smuggling-conspiracy-theory

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    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...ll-ties-with-thailand-after-gem-theft-dispute

    "Saudi Arabia and Thailand have announced the resumption of diplomatic ties following more than 30 years of frozen relations linked to the theft of jewels from a Saudi palace.

    "In 1989, Thailand-born janitor Kriangkrai Techamong stole $20m worth of precious gems from the home of a Saudi prince, triggering a spate of murders in Bangkok and a feud between the countries dubbed the Blue Diamond Affair."

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    Russia is plundering gold in Sudan to boost Putin’s war effort in Ukraine

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/africa/sudan-russia-gold-investigation-cmd-intl/index.html

    Days after Moscow launched its bloody war on Ukraine, a Russian cargo plane stood on a Khartoum runway, a strip of tarmac surrounded by red-orange sand. The aircraft’s manifest stated it was loaded with cookies. Sudan rarely, if ever, exports cookies.

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    Before the Russian invasion:

    "Ukrainian Diplomats Accused Of Smuggling Gold, Cash, And Goods"

    https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-diplomats-smuggling-gold-cash-goods/31127882.html

    "According to the statement, the group of diplomats illegally moved foreign currency, gold, and tobacco items across the border.

    "Officials of the Foreign Ministry had tried to use the truck to smuggle to the European Union $140,000, 67,200 euros ($81,100), 11,600 Polish zlotys ($3,060), 16 kilograms of gold worth some $530,000, tobacco goods worth of $53,000 at black market, it added."

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    "Ukraine Politician's Wife Caught at Border With $29Million in Cash: Report"

    https://toofab.com/2022/03/22/ukrai...ught-at-border-with-29million-in-cash-report/

    "The wife of one of Ukraine's wealthiest politicians has been accused of attempting to leave the country with almost $30Million in cash, according to reports.

    "Anastasia Kotvitska, spouse of former MP Igor Kotvitsky, was allegedly discovered carrying $28million, as well as €1.3million, as she crossed the border into Hungary, The Times reported, citing local outlet Obozrevatel.

    "Kotvitska's 54-year-old husband, who reportedly controls Nuclear Energy Systems of Ukraine and a number of uranium deposits, said his wife was leaving the country to give birth — but denied she was carrying the seven-figure sum."


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    Russian EX-President now threatening to nuke the I.C.C. after they issued the arrest warrant for Putin.
    where do these people get off threatening all and sundry???
     
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    I have difficulty believing this kind of thing Lonewolf....the Russians have to do nothing....

    The ICC thing is pure Deep State Politics...Ishmelites run wild... Manufacturing bad guys....

    Very few people in the west...relying on standard western propaganda ...know much about what is happening in the Ukraine...by design. Good Cop/Bad Cop...again.

    I do not trust our MSM on much ...but also listen carefully to foreign broadcasts on the subject.


    This conflict in the Ukraine has been going on since 2014....not just in the last year or so...I do not believe most Americans are even aware of this history...by Ishmaelite design....and mostly in the Eastern Donbas region.....until the Russians spoke up.

    This puts a very very diffierent understanding on the nature of this conflict...


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    Wagner Militia Group to "refocus" their activities on Africa after huge losses in Ukraine and a falling out with the Kremlin.
    lets see if Africa will put up with their war crimes on civilians.
     
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    if Russia had stayed on its side of the border and not invaded ANY of Ukraine none of this would be happening, only one country is to blame and it starts with an R.
     
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    I'm putting this article here under Ukraine issues. I could have put this under WWIII issues.

    "UP IN FLAMES Mystery fire at ‘Putin’s weapons research facility’ 1,000 miles INSIDE Russia in another major security blow to Kremlin"

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/7708183/mystery-fire-putin-weapons-research-facility-russia/

    "A MYSTERY fire has broke out at one of Putin's alleged weapons research facilities in another major blow to the Kremlin.

    "The inferno has ripped through the renowned VPM factory in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg, according to the Ukrainian military's Telegram channel.

    "The plant produces engines for the Topol-M nuclear missile system and other equipment used by the Russian armed forces - including Ural trucks.

    "In recent months, Ukraine has claimed responsibility via sabotage groups or supporters for a spate of explosions and fires in Russia."

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    "EU Threatens More Sanctions If Russia Stations Tactical Nuclear Weapons In Belarus"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...sia-stations-tactical-nuclear-weapons-belarus

    "It comes after Russian President Vladimir Putin announced on March 25 that his government would move tactical nuclear weapons to Belarus, in a clear warning to Ukraine and allied Western nations as they continue to provide military and financial support to Kyiv.

    "The bloc’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, warned Belarus about allowing Russian tactical nuclear weapons to be placed in its territory.

    "NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu condemned the Kremlin’s move, calling it “dangerous and irresponsible.”

    "Moving the weapons to a storage facility in Belarus raises the stakes in the Ukrainian conflict, by placing them closer to the combat zone and the borders of NATO.

    "Putin said that the move was triggered by the UK’s decision to provide Ukraine with depleted uranium armor piercing shells, which are widely considered to be toxic.

    "He said 'the trigger was the statement by the British deputy minister of defenсe that they are going to supply depleted uranium munitions to Ukraine, this is somehow related to nuclear technology.'

    “'Those weapons are harmful not just for combatants, but also for the people living in those territories and for the environment,' he said in a previous statement.

    "Putin argued that the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus is no different than the United States storing nukes in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Greece, and Turkey.

    "Tactical nuclear weapons are short range and primarily intended for use on the battlefield. They a low yield compared with the more powerful nuclear warheads, which are carried by long range missiles.

    "The Russian president claimed that the decision does not violate existing nuclear non-proliferation agreements.

    “'I emphasize, without violating our international obligations on the nonproliferation of nuclear weapons, we have already helped our Belarusian colleagues and equip their aircraft, aircraft of the Belarusian Air Force. Ten aircraft are ready for use of this type weapon,' said Putin.

    "The Pentagon believes that Russia has about 2,000 tactical nuclear weapons, including bombs that can be carried by tactical aircraft, along with warheads for short range missiles and artillery rounds.

    "The Russian president also accused the West of building a new “axis” similar to that of the Axis Powers of Germany, Italy, and Japan during World War Two, and denied that his country was building a military alliance with China."
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    This is total BS....Bravo Sierria...the cat calling the kettle black..

    I know something for which the average American and or European has long since forgotten....if they ever knew or were aware.

    For years and years we had stationed in Europe and in particular ..in Germany and some NATO nations... mobile Tomahawk Missiles with Nuclear Warheads. Before that we had a mobile missile called Honest John...and stationed in Europe.

    U.S. Tests Ground Launched Cruise Missile (popularmechanics.com)


    MGR-1 Honest John - Wikipedia

    This Tomahawk system goes back into the 1980s.


    What some of you do not know is that certain kinds of Tactical Nuclear warheads can be delivered by artillery fire...in particular the 155MM artillery cannon.

    Not sure what world some of you are living in ....but I know this for a fact having served in an Artillery outfit for the National Guard.

    This.....

    This is total Bravo Sierra too. NATO is become ....like the UN...a private Good Olde Boys club...in this case...an extension of the Deep State and they ...like the UN are playing Americans for a fool and doing a good job of it.

    NATO ...like the UN is a Deep State...private ...good olde boys club.....masquerating as a Warm Fuzzy world concern....they are anything but.

    We are being Conned.....again...!!


    This....

    When I worked on the back end of the USS Enterprise....one of my jobs was to disassemble the 20 MM CWIZ ...R2 D2 looking machine gun with multiple rotating barrels....

    It is a very rapid fire machine gun...in 20MM Calibration.

    What you notice when you work in that area of the Aircraft Carrier...is 20 MM Storage boxes mounted on the bulkheads.....for spare rounds of ammo. These boxes have on them the traditional three piece radiation symbol.


    Radiation warning symbol-US - Hazard symbol - Wikipedia


    You members decide for yourselves how much you are going to let them put you on the fear control strings in a never ending barrage of propaganda on both sides...and learn to install your own BS filter....you are going to need it big time.

    I am not interested in continuing this ersatz template of operation called Good cop/Bad cop. I have seen it too many times being played on the American People....and for someone else's lucre.


    I smell Ishmaelites at work again...and many of these Phony Ishmaelites are in our own government here in America.


    Remember something....

    I have not only worked on and repaired ICBM nuclear missile firing submarines called "Boomers."

    I have also worked on every 688 class fast attack submarine built here....and also several of the newer Virginia class including the Tomahawk missile delivery system.


    That is how and why I know our own leadership here in America is BS ing us to keep us on the puppet strings and afraid..

    I know quite a bit of what we have and how it works...


    You members make up your own minds and for your own reasons. I am just not interested in the continuation of this same olde game of good cop/bad cop. I have seen it played on the gullible too many times.



    I suspect it was being played on the Ancient Romans by their own government....going back to Hannibal defeating the Roman Legion at the Battle of Cannae.

    "You must give us all power to save Rome from Hannibal!!"

    'No Roman Dares sleep while Hannibal yet lives!!!"



    And the Romans did it....gave the Senate all power to stop Hannibal.

    But Hannibal ran around Italy for 20 years looting and pillaging.and the Legions never stopped him....

    But Hannibal never looted and pillaged the property of the Senators...and leaders.

    Catching on yet????!!


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites in your government as well as mine..

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    See Quintus Fabius Maximus........and think for yourselves....


    Today's Fabian Society is named for him...


    The Great Faker........delayer.


    Ishmaelites run wild....


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    For those of you who do not know...this is the 20MM CWIS system as mounted on many ships and also today mobile units on the backs of heavy trucks...

    Phalanx CIWS - Wikipedia


    This system is in use on many American Navy Ship;s...


    Wondering how many of these were left in Afghanistan when we pulled out...for the Taliban.???

    Gives you the warm fuzzies ....does it not??


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    Russia now threatening the USA, is there any of the Western allies they havent threatened yet? LOL.
     
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    Remember lonewolf......this is America..;we need as Americans to think with our emotions and fears...but never think with facts or a knowledge of history.

    We need to be dumbed down forever like good obedient sheep...to go with the flow and never think for ourselves but only herd mentality.

    Remember again...many of us lived through the cold war..and that threat of nuclear Armageddon.


    I also know that we as America...are fighting a proxy war and heavily arming the Ukrainians....just a we have done in many other countries over the years.

    Yet our Idiot leaders here want us to be disarmed.....mentally , spiritually, as well as physically.

    I smell Ishmaelites at work here.


    Most of us do not know of the Central American conflicts on behalf of the United Fruit Company......and brush wars America has sponsored down there. The United Fruit Company today is known as Dole.


    But don't ever let facts and history get int the way of emotions....good cop/bad cop.


    Someone is making a killing in their long range plans...in the Ukraine..


    What I am asking myself...is what is going to happen to all these Ukranian Women with so few men available...having been killed or severely wounded fighting this war..

    Very similar to what happened in Yugoslavia. with their war of recent....so many young men were killed and or severely wounded in that conflict.

    Is there a relationship here in what is happening in the Ukraine and what happened in the Yugoslavia????


    Remember...there is only good cop/bad cop going on out here.....and we are all good people..and on the good side of history.


    Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!!


    I do not worry so much about Russia as I do our own BS leadership taking us for a ride ....again...and for someone else's profits and control.


    How do I know this about Russia...........?? Not difficult to figure outl ..in fact quite easy.

    Just go into any store and find the latest fashions ....made in Russia??

    Go to any car dealership and find a Russian made car.???

    Find a Russian made cell phone???

    Laptop???

    Air Conditioner??

    Refrigerator???

    Chain Saw???

    and the list goes on..


    Someone here in America has been misleading us over and over and over..again aboust Russia...since the end of WW2.

    People work best when they are constantly afraid.....Just keep the fear coming...again and again and again...ad infinitum.


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    As any good and or capable leadership....you constantly have to manufacture bad guys in order to keep your people afraid and therefore under your control......ie...properly herded...like good cattle.....sheep.


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites who would lie and deceive us about almost any and everything ....nessary to be a free people.


    Historically ...a free people means an Unfree Government...a limited Government.


    An Unfree People means an Unlimited and free government...

    It is that simple...


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    I don't trust many of our American Alphabet Agencies....they are all too often working for private concerns and not the American People....but often Interntional private concerns....globalists and passing this off as if it is an American template....getting us ready for the next war....or even proxy war.....

    And many of our Alphabet Agencies work with British Alphabet agencies....for international deep State reasons....not American reasons....

    Again...see E. C. Knuth

    The Empire of the City.

    The Empire of "The City": The Secret History of British Financial Power: E. C. Knuth: 9781585092628: Amazon.com: Books

    These are Ishmaelite agencies....


    I also think Donald J. Trump was not onboard with these agencies.....and this circus goes that deep...internationally deep against Donald J. Trump. He wanted to put America First....not the international deep State first....and they hated him for it....both Republican and Democrat deep state internationalist.

    They could not afford another four years of Donald J. Trump...and still cannot afford another four years.....of America First.


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    I dont trust any govt agency or agency linked to the govt, same as I dont trust any politician from any party.
    this thing with Trump is so obviously political, to stop him running in 2024, even a blind man can see that.
     
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    many of the 200,000 deaths of Russian troops down to alcoholism and low morale.....or is that morals??
    Russia now rotating president of the UN for the month of April, anyone see a conflict of interests here?? or are they just taking the p##s?
     
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    Agree here lonewolf...

    They are so obviously trying to rig the 2024 election. So this , to me, is a very very strong indicator that they rigged the 2020 election....they were that desperate and are still that desperate...to keep and hold power for the international deep state private owners of America.

    The Deep State internationalists have owned and run America for many many years and many many Presidents of both political parties..

    And I believe this has been going on secetly ..privately.... since about the time of the American Civil war...secret private interference in American Affairs..for someone's private gain...and many of them not even American.

    But this is not how our official authorized history reads.

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    Putin now saying "we dont want war", makes me wonder what he thinks his little excursion into Ukraine was??
     
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    I have learned here in America to be very dubious what our media says as if it were official and not tainted.

    I have known for myself as a shortwave listener that our media has been corrupt since at least back with the Administration of Jimmy Carter and or Gerald Ford... in the office of President if not before that..

    Shortwave listening taught me a lot about the "Fallen" nature of the news media and also of leadership....in this country.

    I think NATO has long ago been secretly been bought out to private interests...not European Interests.

    I suspect that a lot more Europeans are upset with the Ukrainian War than we are allowed to know here in America.....and by design.

    I am also suspecting that many people in Europe are upset with their own government than we are allowed to know here in America if we only watched our television sets.

    I also think our leadership here in America is lying through their teeth about what is really going on in the Ukraine...as they did about a number of conflicts in which we have been involved...in the past..


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    I also believe Putin is fighting the Deep State and he knows it.

    I also believe that Trump too knew this.....

    I also suspect that this fellow in North Korea knows this as does the Leadership of China...

    I believe they all know what is the Deep State....


    The main Characters in this staged play who do not know what is the Deep State is the average Television and or movie trained American...


    In the Olde Days we used to call it the Conspiracy...today it is the Deep State....and has long ago stolen/hijacked our form of government ....which is why someone not wanting to be seen or known had to get rid of Donald J. Trump....while working tirelessly with their bullies and pimps in the media to slander him with every made up label they could find..

    Nazi, Racists, Sexists, homophobes.......all designed to prevent people from thinking for themselves..but only emoting according to a brainwashing program.

    These phonies are today doing the same thing to Putin with Predictability.....the same olde usual suspects...in the Deep State.

    I do not believe that Putin wants to destroy the Ukraine or anyone else.....

    I believe Putin believes in "Pan Slavism"..but is also aware that the Deep State ....back in 2012 to 2014 stole/hijacked the Ukraine into the Deep State control for private interests/profits/control ...as have they done with America after the 2020 election here.


    I believe that Donald J Trump was trying to thin out the Deep State control and tentacles over America ....and thus make us great again..and not a vassal controlled group/private police force for Deep State Profits/power as we have been since at least the Spanish American War.


    This is why it is very very important to the Deep State that Americans know so little history and even so little about the Constitution of the United States.

    But it is very important to the Deep State that we know all about Hollywood.....ESPN and or those Kardashians.

    Anything to prevent thinking for ourselves....

    Remember this also....the Deep State is not loyal to any nation, or people, nor ideology but their own Luciferian Ideology and principles going way back into Ancient History.

    This is a principle or knowledge which will never be taught in pubic schools or colleges....ever.....and for good reasons.


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    Deep State

    Can you say......."Occult??"


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    more like a "cult".
     
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    But also, there are some truly bizarre goings-on related to the occult, primitive shamanism, voodoo, ... odd stuff.
     
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    "Intel Leaks Confirm Sabotage Attacks In Belarus, Russia Were Conducted By Ukrainian Military Agents"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...acks-belarus-russia-were-backed-directly-kiev

    More information from the trove of highly classified Pentagon documents leaked online continues to confirm what in many instances was already strongly suspected, but remained unproven.

    "'Ukrainian agents have pursued drone attacks inside Belarus and Russia, contrary to U.S. and Western wishes, and leaders in Kyiv have considered further targets outside Ukraine, according to a batch of leaked U.S. documents that appear to expose national security secrets,' NBC writes after analyzing the batch of 50 that it has in its possession.

    "'Two documents appear to show Ukraine launching operations inside other countries, though some allied nations have said any such actions might cause them to reconsider their ongoing support for Kyiv,' NBC continues.

    "Back in late February into March especially, Russia had seen multiple instances of swarms of drones breach its airspace spanning multiple days. These targeted an oil facility, air bases, as well as civilian infrastructure across various cities, villages and military areas.

    "Concerning the leaked Pentagon report, the angle of Ukrainian agents acting 'document could be an attempt to inject some 'plausible deniability' into the reporting surrounding the sabotage attacks.

    "In short, while Washington might officially be dissuading the Ukrainians from such risky attacks, it may also be that the Pentagon is quietly willing to look the other way when they do occur. The important thing for Biden administration decision-makers is to distance themselves from the more brazen and controversial of Ukraine's tactics, particularly the 'dirty war' style operations that could drag NATO into direct conflict with Russian forces."
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    Have any idea how many rules of civilization we Yanks have broken in service of our secret masters....whom most of us serve unknowingly?????

    Don't worry ....most Americans know more about ESPN and those Kardashians to even know of what you or I am speaking.

    We really are that dumb and will remain so if our leadership has it's way.


    Oh..and I have known for quite awhile how rigged our media is on the Ukraine and what atrocities the Ukrainians are committing and trying to put it off on the Russians....along with our phony media.

    Ask yourself a serious question.....

    What would happen if the Russians really really took off the gloves????


    Find someone here in the States in the MSM who would dare to ask that question.



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    Any idea, lonewolf, how many we killed over Japan when we figured out how to switch from high explosive bombs to incendiary bombs...in a wooden and paper homed city????

    How about the bombing of a cultural city ...Cologne and Dresden....cities with little to no military facilities???

    How many in Vietnam??

    Good cop/Bad Cop.....most never stop to realize that they are all cops.


    How many did England Kill in the Opium Wars....???? Around the globe???


    Do you know how a "Dial a Yield " feature works in a nuclear device???


    Man.....I gotta watch more sports and Kardashians.....and stop thinking and reading off the main stream media...and or television. Only Ishmaelite approved stuff from now on...!!!!!


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    you may be right Chris, but neither the US or the UK set out to purposely murder and rape Women and Children, obviously there was some "collateral damage" but it wasnt a direct order to the troops to go out and murder any civilians they came across-which seems to be the orders here.
     
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