Home Invasion Defense

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  1. Old Geezer

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    Whether it be in today's chaotic / high-crime world or in a SHTF / post-SHTF world, one's home, one's "castle" could very easily become the target of aggression for a crew of armed invaders. Like it or not, we have to think this thing through.

    Topics that leap to mind include: How do I physically keep them out via barriers; i.e. heavy doors and locks that will significantly slow down the progress of the invaders? How do I prevent their ammunition from penetrating the walls, floors, and ceilings of my dwelling? What weapons/ammo do I need to shoot through the building materials of my dwelling to disable aggressors? What are the consequences of my not preparing adequately; i.e. just how evil are felons? If members of my family are entering or leaving our home, what safety precautions must we take at these particularly vulnerable moments?

    Below I am throwing out some links to stories that relate to this topic. Yes, the topics of the links are a bit scattered. Hoping you all can do better.

    Home Invasion Victims Use AR–15 To Defend Themselves Against Five Armed Intruders

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/19/h...fend-themselves-against-five-armed-intruders/

    Links to stories of self-defense

    https://foac-pac.org/Defense-Stories

    https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/c...cle_6a5f96ae-4a85-11e8-bd3c-6fb84a867898.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123703&page=1

    http://komonews.com/news/local/violent-home-intruder-shot-and-killed-in-north-bend

    https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stori...-old-man-shoots-kills-home-intruder/660608350



    A fellow tried to get into my house at 3am by knocking and giving story of disabled car; I never would have opened the door; I talked to him; the guy got into his "disabled" vehicle and drove off. Had he kicked the door, I'd have killed him with my shotgun loaded with buckshot. Nowadays, I keep slugs on the ready. Field reports show buckshot lacking. Slugs kill -- and if they don't kill, they tear off limbs and/or cause catastrophic hemorrhage & hydrostatic shock. When the aggressor goes down, you can show mercy (which routinely gets nice people killed) or you can blow their brains out, which not only protects your family, but also potential victims against whom the felon has targeted for future lethal aggression.







    Home invasion stories where victims were unable to protect themselves. The intruders got into the houses far too quickly, i.e. insufficient locks/doors/barriers. Or, victims were not armed.

    https://www.khou.com/article/news/c...fending-against-a-home-invasion/285-546707895

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/man-hospitalized-home-invasion-acid-attack-54423295

    https://www.mysanantonio.com/neighb...ing-for-Mercedes-four-armed-home-12828998.php

    https://www.indystar.com/story/news...sexual-assault-mother-children-home/77570824/

    http://myfox8.com/2015/11/20/police-say-pastors-wife-killed-in-home-invasion-was-raped-by-killer/
    http://fox59.com/2013/11/04/documen...ils-of-home-invasion-robbery-sexual-assaults/

    I'm going to stop here. I've gotta get ready for bed. I'm turning this over to y'all. Find some better links than I did. Hoping that y'all have some combat stories to share that will help-out people who must defend against home invasions and lootings wherein the aggressors crash into occupied dwellings.
     
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  2. Keith H.

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    Good post, too many people wearing rose tinted glasses!!!
    Our problem is NOW, not post shtf. Right now the Australian government's anti-self defence laws give us only two choices in a home invasion. We can either be victims or we can be criminals!
    Keith.
     
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  3. lonewolf

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    the UK laws allow us to use "reasonable force" but no body has actually said what that is!!
     
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  5. TexDanm

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    If you break into my house...or in my case enter my home to steal I will kill you. I said enter because I never lock my doors and don't even carry a house key. I have the right to use lethal force to defend my home and property. If you strike me I may kill you. I can legally use lethal force if I have a reasonable fear or think that you intend to harm me. I can carry a freaking sword if I want to' or being a Texan a big bowie knife. I have a couple of big rascals. I have a gun in every room. There are multiple weapons in each vehicle.

    Now, that is just me. I set up my Mom and Dad's place with steel doors, motion sensor activated flood lights, Spanish dagger and holy plants under or in front of all the windows and a HUGE big black dog in a chain link fenced back yard. They also had a sawed off shotgun I made for them and a pistol along with my Dad's hunting guns.

    You know...with as many guns and such as we have here you would think that people would be getting shot all the time but in general Texas is a very safe and peaceful place. I have never had to even point a gun at anyone. I have never personally known anyone that has been shot or shot at on purpose. The only people that are actually in danger are criminals. I have never even heard of a licensed concealed carry being used illegally.
     
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  6. Old Geezer

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    The Australian government holds the woman down while the felon rapes her.
     
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  7. Old Geezer

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    Aggression is caused by the ready availability of victims.
     
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    A violent felon not only has renounced their being a member of civilized society, they have given up their being a member of our species. The would-be rapist, the armed robber, the person who would kidnap a child, any of this trash should be shot dead where it stands.

    Those who would in any way give quarter to an aggressor against society, or who would even mention why one ten thousandths of an ounce of mercy should be shown to a fallen soul who has risen up against peace and order among the children of God, should be cast out from among those who they would put in danger's path. Indeed, it should be the desert they inherit. That any one of this pathetic, this then dangerous lot, be a part of an elected government is horrid proof that the society tolerating their presence therein has itself fallen.
     
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  9. Old Geezer

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    My grandfather only had to brandish his revolver to convince one would-be robber (armed with a knife) that the day was not his. On another occasion, he had to shoot a robber trying to stab him. I kept a would-be invader out of my house without having to fire a single shot.

    The overwhelming majority of cases wherein a felony was prevented by a firearm are NEVER reported to the police.

    The overwhelming majority of rapes are NEVER reported to the police.

    I would to God that we were killing hundreds of violent felons every day! I would not that they be thinned, but utterly annihilated. Return to Sender.

    Oh to be tasked to such happy purpose! I would serve until my arms were weary beyond lifting the rifle.
     
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  10. Keith H.

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    That's the way I look at it too, these are the sort of people we have in government. They have even cut funding to women's help centers & actually shut some down altogether. Makes me feel sick to think of these politicians doing this stuff & frustrated at the people for doing nothing to stop it. What makes a majority of people go along with this s**t & do nothing? Beats me.
    Keith.
     
  11. TexDanm

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    I'm not big on the death penalty but we need to go back to the days when rape was as serious a crime as murder. Now, that said we also need to say up front that you can't wait years to decide that you have been raped. One of the things about it in Texas, women even more than men are getting serious about concealed carry and even a sweet old granny may well be packing and well trained to use that weapon.

    Home protection is in part about attitude. You need to understand up front that locks and such only keep out honest people. I have known too many people that spent so much time worrying about it that no matter what they didn't feel safe and secure. I've known people that had three locks on every door, iron bars over their windows, an alarm system that was a pain in the butt keeping it armed every time you went in or out and they still worried.

    If someone wants to rod you they are going to do it! All security systems are vulnerable to a knowledgeable thief. To me security is feeling safe while you are at home. I FEEL secure. The guns are part of it but I would feel the same even without them. Aluminum baseball bats, a machete or whatever will handle a robber. The fact is that the true security comes from deciding that you are going to kick a thief's ass or kill them and worry about the consequences later. That decision and planning make you feel safe.

    Back before the Castle Law came to be law in Texas you had to prove that you had a reasonable fear that your life was in danger before you could use lethal force. In a dark house when you have an intruder you have a reason toi be afraid but the law might not agree with you. I had a stone cold throw down gun that if I had to drop someone would show that I had reasonable cause to fear. That gun had no possible way to be connected to me. It had in fact been used in a previous crime and been destroyed by a police department... or that would have been what they would have found when they tracked the serial number. When I was in the gun business I found that nearly all cops carried one or more of these stone cold guns and managed to secure one for myself.

    Always have a plan and you will feel secure.
     
  12. Old Geezer

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    It is beyond mind-numbing.

    I think of it as pathology of soul. I think many among the "benevolent" are simply covering for the sycophant inside them. They know that there, down deep inside their own selves, is a pathetic weak child sitting in its own scat -- however, they will build a rock wall around that reality. How do they do this? Several ways. They will praise the bully (who they themselves fear) and justify his actions. I want to puke against the ceiling when I hear people call violent felons "oppressed" -- as if that justifies attacking others for personal gain. Some among the weak will become numb and do nothing -- which is to say, freeze. Or, they will obey. They will obey the most slimy hideous vile pus-oozing snot-trail-laying slugs that have ever risen out of Hell to occupy our world. "I was told to do this; I had no choice."

    vomit vomit vomit vomit

    And there is worse purpose yet. Among the "elite", are those who WISH that there be oppression. What?! Why?! I tell you why, how could they rule unless "useful" purpose be given them. Remember, the "elite" are without purpose ... AND THEY KNOW IT. What to do? Make the sheeple dependent on them. "Only I can protect you!" "You are not a professional!" "A system of laws is all that separates us from raw chaos!" In their minds, if innocents get killed, so what! Let violent felons out of prison early. Return voting rights of felons. The latter actions keep a titer of fear among the masses -- "Good!" say the "elite".

    Here is the consummate fear of useless government trash: "What if the people didn't need us?!"

    A noble people, self-sufficient, adult in behavior, intelligent, circumspect in their use of resources, and seeking benefit to family and neighbors in their enterprises have little need of governance. One can think of government as a necessary evil. We need written rules even as we need to balance our checkbooks. Government is a tool among many societal structures. I have tools for my hands are not infinitely strong.

    To worship government or to see government as a parent or a big brother is a mental pathology. It is the holding onto childhood by an adult. When adversity knocks, one does not curl up into the fetal position.

    Now let us look about us. And we have, you and I. What is it we witness? It is not downfall in the offing. A plague is upon us NOW. Dear God, what is this talk of When?

    To warn others is to shout out to cardboard cut-outs of humans. How demeaning it is to have to come up with the means to protect one's loved ones from society's stampede into darkness.

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  13. TexDanm

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    I just can't fathom how a people can let their lives be taken away without fighting it. When you are disarmed you are now just a victim waiting for the next thug or government agent (Basically the same thing) to come along and hurt you. THAT isn't freedom. If a woman is forbidden to protect herself then if she is raped the government that made this law is as guilty as the rapist. Why would people allow criminals to run their government? If three people grab me and two of them hold me while the third one beats the hell out of me the two that held me are as guilty of assault as the one that was hitting me. THIS is what your government is doing to you.
     
  14. Old Geezer

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    What I often say to bleeding hearts is this, "If you allow yourself to be a victim, you guarantee that another person will be victimized. By not fighting the oppressor, you have enabled him, indeed you have rewarded him. His career of aggression has been sped on by your non-action. You might as well attack his next victim yourself."

    Those who say, "The police will take care of this," are foisting responsibility onto others. There is only so much that police can do. In major urban areas, the rate of homicide clearance is under 30%. And everybody knows this!

    The weak do not want to think about the unpleasant aspects of life. They wish to bundle themselves into a cocoon and call that silk prison-cell a life. You know what, even when they contribute to charities, they write a check -- they don't even get up off their own butts and go to the place of contribution nor wish to meet the people they ostensibly mean to help.

    One must ask, is it the aggressors in society who are our true enemies or is it the weak?!
     
  15. TexDanm

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    Very true old saying... All good has to do to ensure that evil will win is NOTHING!!!

    If almost seems that all over the world the freedoms our forefathers fought so hard for have become something meaningless to the latest generations. One thing that I can guarantee is that anytime someone refuses to fight for their freedom there is somebody that will come along and take it and everything else that they have. Our future is that of any animal that becomes to weak to defend itself.

    I'm sorry but as sweet as the idea of Democracy is, it only works when those allowed to vote have a proven desire to succeed and be free. Taking in losers as immigrants and allowing people to vote that are convicted felons or those that can't support themselves is not what was ever intended. It is insanity. I personally don't think that a person should be allowed to run for federal office without first serving in the military. If you are not willing to protect it then I don't think that you should lead it.

    The stupid, the lazy, the criminal, the losers and the cowards don't deserve the right to vote for cake and circuses and insist that those that work and protect those freedoms have to pay the price for their pleasures and freedoms.

    Police are NOT in the business of protecting people. AFTER you have been raped, robbed, killed or beaten then they will show up and take a report. They might even try to find the person that did it but that doesn't constitute PROTECTION. Protection is done BEFORE you are harmed.
     
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    Sadly this seems to be the same for a lot of countries. I was reading about a gentleman on the news last week that is being charged for assault because he beat up two thugs with a baseball bat as they were trying to steal the television set out of his living room.

    I mean c'mon. Was he supposed to make them tea and help them carry it out?
     
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    Burglar broke into a house, woman who lived there didn't hesitate, she shot him with a pistol crossbow, he staggered off with a crossbow bolt IN his belly, he was never heard of again, so I don't know if he recovered or ended up in a ditch somewhere, the bolt was covered in mud and muck so perhaps the wound was infected? don't know but it shows what can happen.
     
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    The law has changed a little, there is now no duty to retreat if you're the victim of a home invasion in the UK, you are entitled to attack even if you only feel threatened and disproportionate force may be used to defend yourself or others as long as it isn't grossly disproportionate. The legal meter for this is that you should stop attacking the intruder/s once they no longer pose a threat.
     
  20. EarlyMarksman

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    Where I live we are surrounded by meth heads and drug dealers. At the Baptist church down the street there's a drug dealer who stands in the parking lot of the church in the middle of the night waiting for potential buyers. My dad knows someone down the street who had people attempt to break in. There's been two times I grabbed my weapon in preparation for self-defense while in the house, but never ended up having to use it, thank God. Keith was very right when he said that home security concerns are not only for post-disaster but right now.
     
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  21. lonewolf

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    crime in my rural location is very low and mainly defined to the "domestic" category.
    I don't not expect to have unwanted "visitors" post SHTF because of my location many hundreds of miles from any big city, I don't dismiss the possibility but its not top of my list.
     
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    Most states here have a Castle Doctrine or Defense of Habitation law, so you are allowed to defend yourself in your home. Some may still have a Duty to Retreat law but suffice it to say you need to know the law in the area where you live.

    I feel reasonably well prepared for a typical burglar. We have good locks and several on each entrance. We are very cautious about who we open the door for, and even if we opened the front door there is a locked storm door we talk through.

    If we had to lock down to defend against civil unrest I do have plans to improve security. I don't think I could make my house bullet proof, but I could improve the current situation. Could we hold off an armed invading force? Not for very long. Could we hold off a gang of thugs? Probably, and at least make it not worth their while to continue the assault.

    My hope is that people, in this regard, will be like water. They will seek the path of least resistance. When they meet with force, they will move on to the next place where there is no force.
     
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      You are correct, they will move on, until you are the only game in town. In my plan, I will hunt them down, so there will not be any surprise return visits. I will use the old Ma Bell approach.
       
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  23. Old Geezer

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    In Canada, the government is propping up the funeral business by disarming its sheeple. Don a cops uniform, stencil your car to look like a cop car, then go berserk. The sheeple are disarmed and trust authority figures.

    They're so dead.

    This week the Canadian funeral industry is up 19 funerals. Keynesian Economics 101.
     
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  24. Old Geezer

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    One can use duct tape to keep windows from shattering and somewhat slow the entry of home invaders. Boarding up windows is the best protection against invaders and hurricanes -- DUH! However, boarded windows are difficult to see through -- one can fashion gun ports, true. Barricades of garden bricks or sandbags inside your home or business will provide cover should invaders open fire on your position.

    Taped windows -- taped with the strongest tape you can find -- allow you to see and aim at the enemy so that you can hit them with your deer rifles and buckshot-delivering pumps (rifles are dear to me). Taped windows will shatter far less when you have to shoot through them to drop invaders.

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    The above windows are taped sorta-kinda OK, but I would use even more duct tape than this.

    side point: When the electricity is down, it's good to light-up the night with flares. If the invaders are in packs, one can drop enough of them to reduce their collective might. Can't wipe them out? Well, there's a lot to be said for thinning the herd, isn't there. Poorly motivated looters scatter when just a couple of them are dropped. Sometimes better to wound than kill. If they can run away, good. If they then recover, maybe they've learned something. If they perish, so what.

    Back to topic: The method is to make X-marks with very strong tape diagonally across windows from frame side, across glass pane, and then leaving a long-ish section of tape so as to secure the tape to the other window frame side. Don't just secure the glass, also secure the glass to the frame, else the glass pane can break loose at its interface periphery.
    Here is a photo of someone who did NOT do a good job; in fact, this to me is one TERRIBLE job:

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    Bad, very bad, this is just downright sad.

    These strips of tape are set too far apart and do NOT look like they continue on and over the frames. Even with the tape, it would be my guess that the windows would give way with little provocation. Think about the violence the window will experience and tape accordingly. Leave openings that will allow you to get a good sight picture with your rifle so as to allow you to engage the enemy.



    A couple of months ago when I revisited the English television series "Danger UXB" I noted in the movie how that all the windows in London during The Blitz had taped windows to prevent shattering glass / flying sharp shards due to bomb concussions. I'd seen this preventative measure before, but that TV show was a resurrection moment for my mind to revisit this topic.

    Nashville, Tennessee just had a bombing. Windows were shattered blocks away -- not good, mega-dangerous. Large pieces of glass are heavy and can cut you to the bone, can open-up major arteries. When the SHTF, boy's and girls, it's flack jackets and helmets!
    WWI, how Paris shopkeepers taped their windows during WWI:

    https://www.messynessychic.com/2016/06/07/windows-of-war-how-parisians-prepared-for-attack/
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    In the post above, I only talked about using strong duct tape to keep glass windows and doors from shattering.

    Superior to using duct tape, is using window security films. Companies also manufacture robust interface strips that better secure the glass/plexiglass to its window-frame or door-frame.

    Common / big-name vendors of window security films:

    https://www.amazon.com/security-window-film/s?k=security+window+film

    https://www.homedepot.com/b/Window-...c3ZmimZ1z0zv0eZ1z134vz?NCNI-5&storeSelection=

    Home Depot information about window security films and their usage:

    https://www.homedepot.com/c/ab/best-window-film-for-your-home/9ba683603be9fa5395fab90186c2632

    "Home Security Film Demo's with Explanation - Anti Intrusion Solution":



    Demo with rifle and baseball bat vs glass doors with and without windo security films (3M "Ultra-800"):



    Here is a site for commercial-grade security film (this website was slow to come-up when called, so give it a while). This site has a video of their product protecting a business from a would-be invader. Store owners, espcially those trying to survive in areas besieged by Antifa and/or BLM terrorists, should investigate security products such as this.

    https://enhanced-glass.com/commercial-security-film/

    For cars:

    https://citizenarmor.com/product/smash-and-grab-security-film-for-vehicle-protection/
    https://vehiclearmorsystems.com/vehicle-armor-panels/

    Slowing aggressors in their attempt to enter your trapped vehicle allows you more time to secure your weapon and fire into the aggressors to neutralize them.

    https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/automotive-window-solutions-us/solutions/security/

    by phone 1-866-499-8857

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  26. Caribou

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    There are 8,000 home invasions daily in America. This data is close to 10 years old but I don't expect current data to be better.
     
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    Many people do not have firearms available to them. Maybe they live in a socialist country where the government crushes human Liberty or maybe they are just poor and are unable to come up with the money for a firearm. And too, there is the matter of firearms being too loud. What to do?

    Build your own short spear -- a full length spear handle being used indoors will greatly restrict the wielding of a spear, so the handle must be of a shorter length. Each person's home interior dimensions will determine the spear handle's length.

    One needs to grip this weapon with BOTH hands, so the handle must be long enough to make the handle fit the distance between the wielder's left hand purchase-point and the the wielder's right hand purchase-point -- every human will have their own unique gripping points, we humans vary greatly in size. The handle diameter will vary with the size of the owner's hand size.

    Here's a video that describes the process by which one can come up with a make-do spear. I'm glad I found this video, because if the spear is to remain cheap-to-build, common materials and common tools must be used. I would like the to give the creator of the video a big high-five.



    Fargo FX: https://www.youtube.com/user/FargoFX
    FargoFX is a DIY or "How to" channel that specializes in metal working, blacksmithing, knife making, random post-apocalypse weapons and (very rarely) some special effects and other odd stuff. For example: sometimes I get attacked by garden vegetables and have to defend myself, but most of the time I'm just here in the shop, making videos about how to make cool stuff.

    If you lunge at an attacker and miss, they will do everything in their power to wrestle the spear from you. If they grab your spear, you want your spear to still cause injury to them. By affixing double-edge razor-blades just behind the spear's blade, you can cut the tendons in their hands. If you use razor-blades in this fashion, you MUST keep your hands from sliding forward into that area. To do this, fashion any sort of make-do robust hilt behind the razor-blade area and in front of your grip area. Before blood congeals, it is VERY slick. The material used for your grip area must stay grippable/graspable (??? did I just make up a word ???). I mean this material must still let you grip it even if you were to pour 60-weight motor oil on it.

    I would also recommend having leather gloves near the spear where it is stored, so that they can be put on should the seconds permit you to do so. You may have zero time to don them, so keep that in mind.

    OK, so here is a drawing of the short spear concept. See if you like it. Maybe this idea will be of use. Click on the picture to expand the image.

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  29. TexDanm

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    I will tell you from experience that when someone sees you coming with a big edged weapon they run! I bailed out of my truck one time with a machete after five guys had acted like they wanted a piece of me. You have never seen five guys load into a car so fast in your life. They were lucky. If one of them had shown a gun I would have bailed out with a 12 gauge riot gun and started shooting. They had blocked me and were planning to kick my long-haired hippie-looking ass for dating one of their redneck lovely ladies. They failed to understand that I was a long-haired redneck and NOT a hippie. Instead of a, make love, not war attitude they had run head-on into a kill them all and let God sort them out attitude!!!
     
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    I like spears and have several of them already made. the short spear had some serious advantages and that is what those crazy Africans use to hunt lions on their quest to achieve manhood. Made right it is a spear, a sword-type hacker, and always a club. I use heavy old hoe or shovel handles for my short spears and then lighter shafts for the longer ones that I might want to throw or just poke with. Even in a world where guns are available, there may be times when I may want to take someone out silently without getting too close.

    For a quick make, I like the Cold Steel Bowie Bushman. For a little over 15 dollars apiece they are hard to beat. I have several shafts of different sizes with a taper already on them to fit one of these onto. Even my walking stick is prepared to have one put on it if I want to. I sharpen the back into a nice edge so it is sharp on both sides and thrusts effortlessly.

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    Found these sources in England -- I'd been thinking about some useful weapon that those deprived of multi-shot firearms could use.

    > https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-cold-steel-bowie-bushman-with-firesteel-95bbusk.htm

    > https://www.coldsteel-uk.com/store/New-Bushman-Series.html

    > https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-cold-steel-bowie-bushman-95bbuss.htm

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    Not my description but i do agree with it.

    ""For the money, the Bushman series of survival knives are hard to beat! Unlike the majority of hollow handled knives, there is no joint or seam between the blades and handles, instead, the Bushman's blade and handles are cold-forged out of a single piece of SK-5 high carbon steel! The resulting knives are expertly heat-treated and tempered to RC54 and, when subjected to our tests, have withstood over two tons of pressure on their blade/handle transition! Every Bushman has been carefully ground to an extra thin edge, and then honed and buffed by hand until razor sharp. Their hollow handles will accept survival supplies or a variety of handle extensions that can maximize reach, leverage or ease of throwing. Available in two blade styles (Standard and Bowie point) both feature curved blades that are ideal for skinning and a multitude of bushcraft chores. Both come complete with a Secure-Ex sheath which houses a high-quality Ferrocerium Fire Steel.""
     
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  33. Old Geezer

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    Not home invasion; worse, car/truck invasion preparation

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    This post is for a post-SHTF situations. Sawed-off shotguns are massively illegal. Also, shortening the barrel of a shotgun greatly reduces the velocity of the shot load. When governments collapse, defunded Fed agencies won't be your big worry, swarms of gangs will. The gangs surviving will be made up of those really bad boys who have zero qualms about killing and who have become perfected at pillaging. Most crews will be killed-off or will simply die-off due to inefficiency. Again, the ones who survive will be composed of intelligent-enough monsters. If you are caught in your vehicle, then you are going to have to lay-down some serious amounts of lead. You yourself must become a machine of death. Dump the pump, then tear into them with high cap. rapid fire out a handgun or rifle. Your rapid fire must be aimed rapid fire (no, not target shooting; yet center-mass shots).

    Sawed-offs have their positives and their negatives.





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  34. TexDanm

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    I have three pump 12 ga shotguns and all have short barrels on them while at home. 2 have 18.5" inch barrels and one has a 20" barrel. a 20" barrel is a must on a riot gun with 8 rounds onboard. I like that big gun a lot but even with the pistol gripped lightweight stock and forearm it is a heavy bastard. I have an eye-burning flashlight on it and a few extra rounds on the stock. I put a good three-point sling on it so it can be allowed to hang in front.

    For repelling borders, you just can't beat a 12 gauge shotgun. I would hate to have to carry the big riot gun full time but for home defense it is king. Besides the massive stopping power, it is also safer for shooting in a residential neighborhood. If you cut loose with a rifle you better hope that you don't kill a neighbor. A rifle will go through several walls and still kill someone while a shotgun loses punch a lot faster. I actually keel my home guns loaded with #6 shot for the first couple of rounds. At in-room distances, the shot will still be in the cup and hit as a solid mass. That way it won't be any threat to someone on the other end of the house.
     
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  35. Old Geezer

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    https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/firearms/defensive-gun-uses-in-the-us/

    I found this fascinating site that has a map of the U.S. with little blue circles all over the place. What do the blue circles mean? Each circle represents an instance of a person defending themself with a firearm. When you click on a circle, the data concerning the shooting appears at the bottom of the map.

    With your mouse wheel, you can zoom-in and zoom-out. Watch-out! the map zoom function is very sensitive. I zoomed in on Miami because when you look at the entire map, the blue circles coalesce and form blobs. Zoom-in to each "blob area" to see the individual events.

    Criminals not keen on citizen firearms ownership:

    https://www.learnaboutguns.com/2009/02/04/what-criminals-really-fear/

    "Professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed 2,000 felons incarcerated in state prisons across the United States. Wright and Rossi reported that 34% of the felons said they personally had been “scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim”; 69% said that they knew at least one other criminal who had also; 34% said that when thinking about committing a crime they either “often” or “regularly” worried that they “[m]ight get shot at by the victim”; and 57% agreed with the statement, “Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.” (James D. Wright & Peter H. Rossi, Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms [1986]. See Guns and Public Health: Epidemic of Violence or Pandemic of Propaganda? by Don B. Kates, et. al. Originally published as 61 Tenn. L. Rev. 513-596 [1994])."

    At the bottom of the page in the above article, one can select several links concerning self-defense using a firearm. Here's just one of the links:

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06...ll-the-difference-for-these-would-be-victims/

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  36. TexDanm

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    If someone is inside my house I will NOT scare them away. I will kill them so that I don't have to worry about them coming back or hurting someone else that is not as well armed as we are.
     
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  37. Old Geezer

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    After it hits the fan, the things that need to be done will get done.

    All of us on this site have put back candy for that sad rainy day.

    If the fog comes, wherever we are, we will disperse it. I think even the people living on the edge of the cancerous cities will be taking care of business -- training or no training, they'll find out quickly what they need to do and most will do it. The real America hasn't gone limp-wrist.

    America needs a good bath.
     
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  38. TexDanm

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    I expect that in the event of a total collapse that it will be a blood bath when the criminals don't have the cops protecting them. In a world that opperates right, if someone robs you or tries to you kill them. If someone harms you or those you care about you kill them. If someone is too lazy to work you take their kids away from them and let them starve to DEATH.

    The way things are now if some crack head beats you up for money to buy his drugs there is a good chance IF the cops were to even try and caught him that he would be out of jail before you were out of the hospital.
     
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  39. lonewolf

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    as it stands at the moment in Britain if you have a burglary and the thief has left the building the Police will not attend, they just give you a crime number for your insurance company.
    if the thief is still in the property you are allowed to use "reasonable" force but no one has defined what that is, using a lethal weapon will get you a prison sentence.
    however post SHTF all that will change, there will be no Police, and in a rural area like this there is no Police presence now never mind after SHTF (all the rural Police stations have been closed and only the ones in the big towns and the cities still exist).
    post SHTF we will make our own rules.
     
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  40. Old Geezer

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    By definition, most criminals do not think things out. Yet we see this with rioters when they make general threats against society. We hear these threats from Antifa and BLM. If they are making these threats against soft folk, then I guess they may get some fear generated among sheeple. Thing is, these threats simply generate anger among most working class Americans who are certainly not softies.

    Politicians make the same sort of non-reasoned threats. While not threatening overt violence, they threaten to restrict Liberty to a greater and greater degree. The result is greater and greater anger among working class Americans.

    The underestimation of working class people could turn out less than favorable for those whose arrogance has blinded them. History teaches that anger turns to fury.
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  41. lonewolf

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    threats are threats, its actions that count.
    as for home invasion either now or post SHTF over here that is going to be mostly a city thing, no thug is going to travel miles, even if that is still possible, to invade a home they will do it on their home turf, it is just far easier, there are more potential victims in a city than in a rural area.
     
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    I think the last time we had a burglary here was about 6 years ago, the numbers are very low here, its a very rural area and everyone knows everyone else and where you live so that cuts down a lot of it. consequently strangers tend to stand out a mile.
     
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  44. Old Geezer

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    Good that you live in a safe area.
     
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    everytime I look at the crime figures its in single figures and the "local" Police area is a large area and its minor stuff anyway, usually "domestic".
     
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    Life in rural places is just different from the city. For one thing when there are so few people around you usually know who belongs and who doesn't. I don't even know where a key to my house is or even if we have one. Most of the time my wife just leaves her car keys in the car. Between my house and my Daughter's place, we have three big border collies, three vicious cats, a rat terrier, and a KILLER Yorkie. All 5 of them together wouldn’t protect us from an arthritic midget.

    I have very little use for a mean dog. We have kids running all over around here and If a dog bites a kid I’ll shoot it. The dogs will bark but that is about the extent of their greeting for a stranger.

    The place where I used to live had a Doberman that loved everyone and a horse that was a guardian of all that he surveyed. That sucker would bite like a shark if someone strange showed up and approached him. He was a good old horse and when it was time to feed he would round up the cattle and bring them to the barn for feeding. Even the big longhorn bull kept his distance from Paco. He was my daughters' horse and honestly had a lot more sense than she did so I never worried about her.

    He lived to 35 and was healthy until the end. He used to lay on his side on the side of a hill and take naps and one day he just didn’t get up. He was a great friend for my Daughter and they spent hours together roaming the back roads and national forest. We lived in a small valley with about 5 other families. The horses and cattle pretty well went anywhere in the valley that they wanted to go. It was fenced and had cattle guards on the road. Great place to raise a kiddo…
     
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  47. Old Geezer

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    Criminals kill, rob, & do whatever else they need to do to get to wherever they want is located. Humans are are better at being wolves than wolves. "Civilized" people go uncivilized without much pressure being applied. The wily "weak" can become strong given the motivation. One in a thousand becomes thousands when one is talking about millions from which to select.

    When the SHTF, sh## will happen. The most remote possibilities will become manifest.

    This is why we preppers arm ourselves and our loved ones.

    Many urban gangs believe that rural people are weak; they know that the suburbs are places to pillage and think that rural areas will also just roll over. In America, that will become a profoundly fatal error in judgement post SHTF. I know for an absolute fact that my people will shoot to kill. They will turn into guerrilla warriors if Big Brother pushes matters. Our sheriffs have already begun telling the communists in D.C. and in their respective state capitals to just "shove it".

    The collapse of the West gains velocity by the day. If you are not already prepared, may God's Mercy be upon you.
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    I dont think I have ever heard of an ordinary rural home being invaded, some of the big estate houses maybe, they have more expensive stuff to lose than your ordinary person, of course in a city its more likely to be because someone has left a window open or an unlocked ladder lying about or maybe its more personal . I lived in a city for 40 years and I never knew anyone who had been burgled.
    this far out from any big city post SHTF its more of a case of logistics and time length of travel and would they find enough loot to warrant the journey, thats even if they had a vehicle and fuel to begin with.
     
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    Seems to be an increase in farm equipment being stolen out in rural areas and people are getting mugged for their dogs; seems there is a big demand for quality dogs these days and people are getting mugged for them or stolen from their homes...big money in dogs it seems.

    Seems in the UK you can use like for like force, they kick you you can kick back. Personally anyone I find breaking into my home will end up in a world of pain; I can turn my red mist tap on real fast.
     
  50. lonewolf

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    Dog napping has increased during the pandemic as people have bought dogs to keep them company and criminals know this, its still fairly rare in rural areas.
    Farm machinery and diesel thefts, the odd bit of sheep rustling goes on now and again, but I think ATM robberies where they remove the entire ATM has become more common than rural burglaries and thefts, well down here they have.
     
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