Are You Putting In A Garden This Year

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  1. arctic bill

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    I used to have a full garden, corn, beans, tomatoes, potatoes , carrots . brochoi , lettuce . ect ect the full deal.
    but i remember one fall i went to harvest , i notice a flyer for a supermarket that said , 4 for $5. it said you got 5lbs turnips,onions, carrots,and 10lbs potatoes all for $5. I felt all my hard work was for nothing. i could go and fill up my route celler for $20 , instead of the $100 i spent on seed, compost, fertilizer. plants ect. Plus all my hard work. So i stopped. tore up my fencing and stopped.
    But now everything has changed, can you depend on the food supply chain , i think not. So this year i am starting up my garden . What say you.
     
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  2. lonewolf

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    yep we have started potting up some seeds, already got a few starting sprouting, too early to start planting out we are still getting early morning frosts here.
     
  3. Rebecca

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    I am putting a big effort into the food garden this year. Definitely feel that it is a necessary precaution. Also making sure I have enough canning equipment etc to preserve as much as possible for winter.
     
  4. poltiregist

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    Most of my garden is up but we are experiencing cold nights this week so I have been covering them up at night . If the cold gets them I will just start over as I have the seeds to replant with . My neighboring son planted by opening up one of those prepper seed bank cans this year . He figured this was the year he had been waiting for . Apparently the seeds were good as he got a good stand . I am gathering up my components to run my freezer and refrigerator off of solar . I have my panels , inverter , and charge controller on site . I figure freezing my stuff would be easier than canning .
     
  5. Blitz

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    I always have a veggie and herb garden. The summer garden has just about finished here, so spent yesterday digging it all up in preparation for winter seedlings. My son is bringing a heap next weekend to plant, so I've got to get the beds ready in time.

    I also have chickens which are great for eggs. One of the chickens is sitting on a clutch of eggs, so should be getting some fresh chicks in the next month or so. I'll get rid of the older hens and keep the chicks. Very handy in these times of lack!
     
  6. randyt

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    I've been striving to plant perennials, fruit and nut trees as much as possible.
     
    1. Blitz
      Fruit trees are a great idea, especially in the times ahead when it's going to be more difficult to procure fruit from shops. The last thing you want is scurvy! I have oranges, mandarins, lemons, kaffir limes, mulberries, blueberries as well as passionfruit and guavas. I've probably forgotten some but that's the main ones. I also have a banana tree but I think the winters are a bit too long here to get fruit. Same with mangoes. I have a mango tree but no fruit as yet. It may be just a bit too cold. The guavas were only planted last year and already have fruit. They are absolutely delicious! I pick them each day to stop the birds eating them.
       
      Blitz, Apr 14, 2020
  7. Dalewick

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    I have a raised bed garden and six out of seven beds will be planted this year. We have garlic that will need harvested in a couple months. Oregano is already growing as well as green onions. Snow peas are planted. So, soon I'll be planting cucumbers, tomatoes, zucchini, radishes and carrots.

    Dale
     
  8. Alaskajohn

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    I can’t wait to get mine in. We still have over a foot of snow on the ground but it’s melting fast! Probably plant the last week in May. My responsibility are the potatoes and the wife is responsible for figuring out everything else (I dig, plow, de-weed as her free labor).
     
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  9. Dalewick

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    Got me thinking about the garden to early. It's FREAKING SNOWING!!!!! Spring.....ARGH!

    Dale

    Go to my happy place.....It's almost turkey season. Ommmmmm. LOL!
     
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      I can't imagine what that is like!

      Turkey season isn't something we have here. I find it fascinating. Where did the custom come from to eat turkey? Is it something that was brought to America, or are turkeys born and bred (so to speak) in America?
       
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  10. Sourdough

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    Wish I only had a foot of snow on the ground........now between three and four feet, and not going fast.

    Alaskajohn.........something to think about is messing up some dirt, and hand casting 50 or 100 pounds of Alaska Barley or Oats. It is fairly cheap. You don't have to harvest it, unless it is an emergency some winter. The neat thing is it self re-seeds for a few years if you do nothing.
     
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  11. CountryGuy

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    I hadn't last 2 years as life got busy before I could get planted. that first year I had a bunch of plants that dried up before i could even think about getting them in the ground. Then the weeds took over. last week after work I shoveled out the two 4x16 raised beds I have and this weekend I filled them with a mix of topsoil and mushroom compost I picked up from a wood products place close to where I work. I need about a quarter pickup load more to finish the last one so I'm gonna get a half load at least, maybe another full one. I plan on doing several containers, grow bags and building a couple more smaller raised beds from some left over lumber I have. thinking 2'x10' to 12' long. Depends on how long the boards are. also gonna try the elusive potato tower again.

    I have some onions in and likely going to plant peas and some spinach this weekend. Wife has part of a bag of store bought taters that are old and starting to chit so gonna stick those in somewhere too. We're to get a little morning snow the next few mornings so not in to much of a rush to get plants yet, our avg last day of frost is May4th so we have some time. I am going to have the kids pot up some cups and plant some seeds this weekend. They get excited about it which I think is good. Last year we lost them all when we'd had them sitting out one day hardening off. We'd went away for the day, got home late and totally forgot about them. The next morning was very frosty and so were their seedlings. So gonna do that and one of their Cub Scout activites is to plant something so, kill 2 birds with one stone.
     
  12. F22 Simpilot

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    Putting in a garden this year by God. I think we have plenty of seeds left.
     
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  13. Alaskajohn

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    I’ll have to give this some consideration!
     
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    Where it showed up for me was an accident. I had done a lot of clearing with my D-8 Dozer, and was concerned about erosion. I start buying red fescue for cover, and quickly realized it was good product, and it worked, but was fairly expensive. I then shifted to "Ditch Mix" which is wonderful, but because of some large road construction projects in Alaska, it was soon unavailable.

    So in desperation I bought hundreds of pounds of Alaska Barley and Oats. It came in burlap bags, which I submerged in the creek for several days, to jumpstart germination. Only after it started being mature, and turning to seed, did I suddenly realize what I had accidently created....Food.
     
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  15. Proton Entropy

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    I bought 14 kg of certified seed potato of early, summer & Autumn potato. They're of the most resistant varieties I could find and I've begun budding/rooting a couple of kgs of the earliest sorts. They also store very well!
    Also have a bucket of last year's potato growing in my living room.

    For vegetables I've started pulling up seeds. A bit late, but it took about a month to get them delivered to corona country!

    New for this year I'll try out hydroponic gardening! Made my first kratky type grow box today!
    If it works I'll probably do a more comprehensive setup that I can take inside after summer in case my private economy tanks...
     
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  16. arctic bill

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    I went out today and bought all sorts of seeds. I will buy starter plants for tomatoes, zucchini,peppers , cucumbers . around my planting day may 24
     
  17. poltiregist

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    Seed shortage seems to be an issue this year . That is why I am sticking to heirloom seeds . Some crops are difficult to save the seeds so I am already prepping and putting up seeds in some instances for next year . I have already put up 50 pound bags of fertilizer a year in advance . Insect powder for the next several years already put up . I don't believe the political pep talks that every thing will be back to normal in a few weeks . The news media simply picks up the pep talks and repeats the same thing . The desperate sheeple grasp at the feel good speeches like a drowning person . Even collecting Mullen seeds to start a toilet paper garden is in my plan .
     
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  18. Old Geezer

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    My back is really bothering me this year and I really feel bad. I don't know what has gone wrong. I think maybe the interns and surgeons have killed me. But I have to turn that soil.
     
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      I feel your pain Gold Geezer. I did as much as I could preparing the garden for the winter veg. My back couldn't take it anymore, so luckily my son finished it off, turned it over and planted some seedlings. It really sucks getting old and infirm!
       
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  19. poltiregist

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    I got my solar panel electrical system up and running today . Now if the power grid is lost I can still freeze garden produce and wild game . Ordered some mullen seed instead of waiting until fall to collect my own . That hopefully will put me one year sooner having my toilet paper garden .
     
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  20. CountryGuy

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    Hmm Kratky, are you a listener to TSPC?
     
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  21. EarlyMarksman

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    Just took up gardening for the first time ever, this year. An obvious plus is that you know how to grow some of your food if a grid down scenario ever takes place. One negative is that I really don't know what to fertilize my plants with after I run out of 8-8-8 and Black Kow. Also, as of right now I won't even have the ability to water the garden properly after said event. Until I find solutions, it is simply more of an enjoyment and a lifelong skill if the collapse never comes.

    Same goes for my chickens. I don't have the water storage to hydrate all of them and my family (as of right now). Raising them is a fulfilling thing to do in my opinion and will be another lifelong skill.
    Definitely open to suggestions by the way if anyone has any solutions to these problems. Don't have the currency for a well or the land, so that's out of the question.

    And even if the collapse does happen and you have a group/find one/etc. you'll be more of an asset in knowing how to do these things. Who wants to kick out the one guy who knows how to raise livestock and grow food?
     
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    2. Blitz
      You shouldn't need to constantly fertilize your garden. In fact, you can over fertilize. Fertilizing can cause too much green growth at the expense of actual vegetables. (Hope that made sense). In any case, you can always go for a drive with a trailer and pick up some manure. Actually, chicken manure is perfect and can go straight on the soil. If you pick up cow or goat manure (for example - I don't know your circumstances or where you live) you can put it in a water barrel and the manure breaks down and makes a wonderful liquid fertilizer.

      Not sure about your chickens. How much room do you have? Can you let them roam and feed off weeds and the like? Alternatively, can you pick weeds for them?
       
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  22. Dalewick

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    Frost should be past (Crossed fingers) and it's time to start putting in summer crops (Cucumbers, beans, pumpkins, corn, etc.) and I'm expanding the garden this year. Just in case. Purchased a solar electric fence charger to replace the plug in model. Start planting tomorrow.

    Dale
     
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      I have considered getting 55 gal. drums and you just gave me more of a reason to purchase them. Either way what happens when the fertilizer and feed runs out? I realize my chickens can peck a whole lot out of the ground but that won't be enough to sustain and keep them healthy.
       
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  23. Kranky

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    It's our first real try at a garden this year as we just moved out here 6 months ago. As this hit us sooner than we would have liked, we weren't as prepared as we would have liked. Have gotten some seeds and just going to plant and see what grows. So far we have a variety of about 9 things, we'll see how it does. That was one of my goals moving out here, to turn this black thumb into a green thumb. There already some producing nut trees and berries, a few fruit.
     
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  24. Old Geezer

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    Due to our health conditions, the garden will have to be small and address specific needs. Should have already turned the soil.
     
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  25. Dalewick

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    EarlyMarksman, Couple ideas for you, especially with spring being here. If you can get horse manure (cow if not) spread it around in clumps in areas your chickens will feed in. A lot of grubs grow in it and the chickens will claw through it to get them. You can spread clover, wheatgrass and other fast growers on the spread manure as as it
    Blitz, Turkey's originated in the America's and are mighty tasty. There are several subspecies in North America with the variety in my area being known as the eastern wild turkey. They are difficult to hunt and it's been said they can see your blood shot eyes in the camouflaged blind and will run away.

    Dale
     

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      Thanks for the info regarding turkeys Dale. I remember now you have a bourbon (I think?) called "Wild Turkey".

      Wow, great set up! We had something similar in our last garden, the exception being it had one barrel with liquid manure in it. Used to top it up with goat pellets every so often, let the rain fill the barrel and just turn the tap. Worked really well and by crikey, the veggies were magnificent!
       
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  26. Alaskajohn

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    How much interest do moose and other game have in eating this stuff? Last summer I hired a contractor who did some work on my property and they had to make a new road to get to the site. I have about perhaps a half acre where this stuff could grow quite well.
     
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    Yes, I've listened on and off for a couple of years. Did take it up again a couple of weeks again since I have more time atm.
     
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    for a few years now(we live in a mobile home park)the kids or some stinking adults have gone through and vandalized our garden so we stopped doing that and just buy supplies now. although if TSHTF i do have a couple survival seed vaults ready to go...

    it would cost us at least 2000$ to put up a wooden fence around our yard to keep them out(wood is required) thats not an option at this time....

    so i envy you guys that can have one as its a great survival skill to have one and do well with it....
     
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      Where I live, about 12 years ago I caught someone trying to break into one of my sheds about 2 in the AM. I shot them with a load of rock salt and rice from a 12ga. I reported the incident to the sheriff and never heard anything else from it. Pretty sure I know who it was and they left the area. The next round was 00 buckshot if they hadn't ran.
       
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  29. Blitz

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    Strewth, that is so incredibly sad. I can't believe people would vandalise a garden. Unbelievable really. Sorry your circumstances now prevent you having a garden. If people would vandalise a garden, I dread to think what else they would do ...
     
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  30. Old Geezer

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    Note on rain barrels. You'd think that roof run-off would have all manner of contaminants from tar shingles. Not true. I looked-up this topic a while ago. Some university tested this roof water caught by rain barrels. Chemical contents were well below hazard levels and some chemicals one would expect to find were not even there or only parts per billion. Not going to harm your garden or chickens. Me, I'm not drinking that water unless I boiled it, treated it, and filtered it (bird sh## from roof is off-putting). But the water certainly isn't toxic.
     
  31. Blitz

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    I installed 3 massive charcoal cannisters + a UV filter to kill anything that may be lurking in the water from any run off from the tanks and dam water. The filter system turns dark brown dam water into crystal clear water that tastes better than spring water. Best investment I made on this property.
     
  32. Proton Entropy

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    That's terrible. Maybe you can set up a cheap surveillance camera and take out to the police?
    Sounds like a place I'd try to move away from or "clean up"...
     
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    I have one of these in storage out in my garage.....and need to get it hooked back up again....


    https://www.durastillwatersystems.c...stiller-with-10-gallon-reserve-utility-model/


    They made great tasting water and great iced tea....coffee..and ice..

    Had to cut back on the amount of coffee when using distilled water or it turned out too strong for my liking..

    Great for batteries too.

    Stunning what you find in city water when you run it through a distiller..

    Watcherchris
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      God, I'm going to sound stupid. What does it distill? Sea water? How does it work? Looks pretty Gucci!
       
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  34. Old Geezer

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    Visited our regional testing center in the Environmental Health Department of the university I attended (this was about four centuries ago). This department was ranked among the very best in the USA. It solidly outranked that of Harvard -- but, that's not saying much is it.

    Municipal water supplies, oh my! The infrastructures of Boston and NY, NY are kaput.

    "Be sure to flush your toilets, the next town downstream needs its drinking water."
     
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  35. poltiregist

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    I done something a bit different this year and started a toilet paper garden " mullen plants " . I bought some mullen seed but the seeds were very tiny even smaller than mustard seed . I planted the seeds but have little confidence in them coming up . What I did do that seems to be working . I gathered up small emerging mullen plants along the dirt county roads and transplanted them into my toilet paper garden . They seem to be doing well . I have been watering them every day to help them get established . I wanted to get my plants now because in a year or two all the locals may be patrolling the county roads looking for mullen plants .
     
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  36. Blitz

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    What the hell are "mullen seed" when they're at home? Never heard of them.

    I planted my winter herbs in containers today, as well as transplanted some broccoli into some pots. I've never grown broccoli in containers before, so it will be an interesting experiment. I've also got some shallots, onions, brussel sprouts, cabbage and cauliflower in the veggie plot, along with some bok choy and lettuce.

    Looking good. Just have to wait for the winter harvest.
     
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  37. watcherchris

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    Blitz....what this machine does it take city water and distill it to much cleaner distilled water...

    My friend to whom I talk via my ham radio out in Tennessee also has one and distills his well water.

    It is an additional process to getting cleaner water.

    Both of us have taken steps to build up spare parts and keep our distillers running....though mine is not hooked up but In storage out in my garage.

    They are expensive when bought new but this one I got for 35 dollars at a yard sale and as I know how to keep and repair them ..I could not pass it up.

    Thanks for asking...

    Watcherchris
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      Oh okay. I was thinking distilling sea water, making rum, that sort of thing, hahahaha! Thanks for clarifying. I've never seen one before.
       
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  38. watcherchris

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    Ahhhhhhh….thanks for reminding me Blitz...

    I need to pick up two more bottles of Goslings dark Bermuda Rum at 151 proof to replace the two bottles I gave to a prepper up in the middle of this state some time back.

    Though I am not a big drinker...I like to keep some alcohol in stock around here just in case and as part of prepping supplies...for emergency uses.

    I've seen too many career drinkers and never want to become one..but am not against alcohol.....particularly as part of emergency stocks.

    Watcherchris
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  40. poltiregist

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    I had to google it to make sure my spelling was correct and sure enough it was misspelled . It should be spelled " mullein ". The plant according to google originated in Asia or Europe . Which for me brings up the question if the plant originated on another continent and Native Americans were using the plant , How did it cross the ocean ? The plant has large soft leaves that can be used for toilet paper . Also a tea made from the leaves is said to have the ability to relieve lung problems and coughs . Sounds like a home dose of mullein tea would be good for combating the Corono Virus .
     
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  42. Old Geezer

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    To drop 151 to 80 proof, mix 750 ml of 151 with 650 ml (actually 657 ml) of pure water. Now you have 1400 ml (1.4 liter) of 80 proof whiskey.
     
  43. watcherchris

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    Blitz,
    Thanks for the introduction to that brand of rum. I've never heard of it but will keep a look out.

    Watcherchris,
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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  44. Max rigger

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    Normally my garden has to be maintenance free because I'm not there six months of the year so have one apple, one pear and one cherry tree, couple of grape vines which needed cutting back when I got home and some sage and thyme which just never die. In the last month I've planted seed trays with all sorts of things mostly stuff I can eat like tomato, courgette (zucchini), cucumber, lettuce, cabbage. I bought 12 big bags of compost (more than I now think I need) and also got some tomato and strawberry plants so not so worried about the seeds. At the moment they are all on the floor in my summer room getting the sun. I also got 2 cheap 4'X6' greenhouses clear plastic and I've never used a greenhouse in my life or really grown anything so thank the lord for Youtube videos and wish me luck. I intend to grow spuds in black plastic bags which is something else I've never tried and I'll be digging a couple of 'beds' for when the seeds are grown enough to plant.

    To be honest I don't think the shops are going to run short but this gardening thing is a new path for me so not a waste of time.
     
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  45. Blitz

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    You've just reminded me about the greenhouse. I've got a small one for raising seeds but the winds here are so bad, they brought the ladder down straight onto it and bent all the poles. I'll have to see if I can salvage it tomorrow, as I've just received some seeds in the mail which will need planting in trays. The greenhouse would be ideal for speeding things up a bit.

    How do you grow spuds in black plastic bags? Never heard of that but sounds interesting.
     
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  46. Old Geezer

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    When germinating seeds, it's best not to use soil from your garden. Some folk simply use shredded paper towels (I'm too lazy to look this up right now). Too, you can buy the too-expensive germinating "soil"/medium -- it has the correct pH and the company selling it treat it to kill bacterium that cause plant diseases. On the web, you can accidentally trip over articles like the following -- type in "germinating seeds" and you will be flooded with links.

    https://www.gardeners.com/how-to/how-to-start-seeds/5062.html

    1. "Prepare the potting soil
      "Choose potting soil that's made for growing seedlings. Do not use soil from your garden or re-use potting soil from your houseplants. Start with a fresh, sterile mix that will ensure healthy, disease-free seedlings.

      "Before filling your containers, use a bucket or tub to moisten the planting mix. The goal is to get it moist but not sopping wet; crumbly, not gloppy. Fill the containers and pack the soil firmly to eliminate gaps.

      "Remember that most mixes contain few, if any, nutrients, so you'll need to feed the seedlings with liquid fertilizer a few weeks after they germinate, and continue until you transplant them into the garden."
     
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      Oh well, that's screwed it. I've already done broccoli in old soil from pot plants. I didn't know you had to stuff about with liquid fertilizer either. I'll have to go and get some cow manure and whack some in a couple of buckets. They don't sell liquid fertilizer in town.
       
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  47. Dalewick

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    I learned years ago from my father in law to mix some of my garden soil with my compost, some peat and pearlite. Then I put it all in a large wash tub and cook it. I get it to about 220 F so it kills all lifeforms in the soil and then after it cools I inoculate it with fertilizer water. That jump starts the good bacteria's in the soil. Works great for starting plants. Some times I run out of time and buy potting soil. I don't like commercial potting soil since my plants have gotten disease's from it in the past. That was with Miracle Grow brand and Scotts brand both.

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    1. Blitz
      How do you cook it in a large wash tub?
       
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    In a metal wash tub. Soil in tub and I just place in on a fire and stir it with a stick or hoe. It starts steaming and I use a temperature probe to make sure it gets hot enough. I've also used a half of a 55 gallon drum (after being burned out and cleaned) or a metal trash can.

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    Cool, thanks Dale. Nice looking tub!
     
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    Dale I dug this post back up to reread the article. If this thunderstorm moves on out ,I plan to follow your recipe and cook some dirt today .
     
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