2022; Miliary Wars? Information Concerning

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  1. Old Geezer

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    As we are all aware, conflicts around the world are heating-up. Everybody at the beginning of a new year sez that there will be a war here, a war there. This coming 2022 appears to be particularly nasty given the growing tensions witnessed in 2021.

    I'm creating this thread for the provision of this particular topic, shooting wars in 2022. One hopes that things won't go to perdition, but the horizon seems more than a trifle gloomy.
     
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    Russia / Ukraine

    "US sees signs Russia plans Ukraine invasion in early 2022"

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-russia-ukraine-invasion-2022-biden-putin

    "U.S. officials believe Russia is planning a multi-front military invasion of Ukraine, involving as many as 175,000 troops, as soon as early 2022, Fox News has confirmed.

    "The U.S. is taking recent signaling from the Kremlin very seriously, and does not consider the matter a bluff, a senior U.S. defense official told Fox News.

    "Russia already has about 100,000 troops stationed along its border with Ukraine, the defense official said.

    "The planned Ukraine offensive for 2022 would involve about double the number of Russian troops that participated in a military exercise near the Ukraine border last spring.

    "'The plans involve extensive movement of 100 battalion tactical groups with an estimated 175,000 personnel, along with armor, artillery and equipment,' a Biden administration official told Fox News."

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    "If Open War Breaks Out In Ukraine, Watch The Big Guns On Both Sides"

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...h-the-big-guns-on-both-sides/?sh=23cbccf44ca2

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    The war in Ukraine is, more than anything, an artillery war.


    That’s been true since early 2014, when Russian troops first seized Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula and then backed anti-government separatists in Ukraine’s Donbas region. It surely will be even more true if, as many observers fear, Russia openly invades Ukraine in the coming weeks or months.


    It makes sense that both sides, the Ukrainians and Russians, would emphasize what military practitioners call “fires”—that is, the concentration and exchange of heavy artillery. After all, both armies still adhere to Soviet doctrine, which organizes ground forces around their mortars, cannons and rockets.


    In Soviet doctrine, infantry and tanks exist to help artillery get into position—and to isolate enemy forces so the guns can destroy them.

    The Russian army since 2014 has greatly modernized its artillery—in particular by fielding small unmanned aerial vehicles that can help spot targets for the guns. “The Russians have mastered integrating a network of UAVs, forward observers and fire direction centers directly with rocket and cannon batteries,” U.S. Army Col. Liam Collins and Capt. Harrison Morgan noted in a 2019 article.

    If you see an Orlan-10 drone buzzing overhead, it’s a safe bet the Russians’ guns are dialing in.

    The Ukrainians, meanwhile, have struggled to produce new shells and rockets, meaning the guns and launchers—for all their effectiveness—might simply run out of ammunition in an intensive campaign.

    But Kiev’s planners have had better luck refreshing the army’s “counterbattery” capabilities. Counterbattery is the practice of responding to the enemy’s artillery—by firing your own guns at their guns. If your enemy is counting on fires to lead its offensive, suppressing those fires might be the key to a successful defense.

    The trick is to detect incoming artillery fire and trace the shells’ paths back to their guns. In modern armies, this task falls to counterbattery radars. The Russians long have fielded a wide array of tracked counterbattery radars such as the SNAR-10 and Zoopark-1.

    The Ukrainians possess some of the same systems—and are adding new ones. Indeed, acquiring new counterbattery systems is one of the Ukrainian defense industry’s top equipment priorities, alongside rocket-launchers and new anti-ship missiles.

    In 2015, the United States donated to Ukraine two Q-36 counterbattery radars. And this year Kiev’s army received the first of the new locally-made Zoopark-3s.

    The proliferation of guns and counterbattery systems in and around eastern Ukraine can make for some ... interesting engagements. In one highly recursive exchange of fires two years ago, a Russian Zoopark-1 was helping separatist guns target Ukrainian guns when the Ukrainians turned the tables and targeted the Zoopark-1.

    Countercounterbattery, if you will. And a possible preview of the possible war to come.
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    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/11/what_to_watch_for_if_russia_invades_ukraine.html

    "News reports from Europe indicate two potentially dangerous events occurring on the borders of NATO. The most glaring is the report of Russian large scale troop deployments near the Ukrainian border indicating a possible invasion in the next few months. The other report is on the smaller yet volatile migration movements along the Belarussian-Polish border. These two circumstances coincide with Europe’s weak energy situation and the global perception of American weakness created by the mismanaged withdrawal in Afghanistan. Although the risk of war in this region remains low, the possibility of a regional war during a time of European energy shortages would threaten the world with a global depression next year.

    "How could Ukraine spark a depression? The biggest impact on global markets would of course be related to oil and gas prices. Three of the primary pipelines that feed the European Union go through Ukraine and any invasion would likely stop hydrocarbon delivery for weeks in the best-case scenario. The effects of this on Europe would be compounded by Europe’s shortage of gas reserves. Additional consequences include potentially a new wave of refugees who would almost certainly head towards the already economically vulnerable Germany, triggering a major political crisis in the EU’s largest economy. The many follow-on consequences would spread beyond the Eurasian region and impact everywhere and potentially send the already fragile economy of the United States into recession if not depression. All of this depends on what actually occurs on the NATO-Russian-Ukrainian border region in the next few months."
     
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    most of this is to do with Nato, isnt there talk of Ukraine joining Nato? that is too close to the Russian border and they have said so, what is needed is a buffer zone, a no mans land between the two.
     
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    "Harassment Of Navy Destroyers By Mysterious Drone Swarms Off California Went On For Weeks"

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...y-destroyers-off-california-went-on-for-weeks

    "Earlier this year The War Zone exclusively reported about a series of 2019 incidents that involved unidentified drones stalking US Navy vessels over several nights in the waters off of Southern California. Our initial report also covered the Navy’s investigation into the incidents, which appeared to struggle to identify either the aircraft or their operators. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Michael Gilday later clarified that the aircraft were never identified, and that there have been similar incidents across the service branches and allied militaries.

    "Far from being only a domestic issue, drones have also become a matter of grave concern for military leaders. Earlier this year Marine General Kenneth McKenzie Jr. said in a speech to the Middle East Institute that 'the growing threat posed by these systems coupled with our lack of dependable, networked capabilities to counter them is the most concerning tactical development since the rise of the improvised explosive device in Iraq.' McKenzie also explained that drones 'provide adversaries the operational ability to surveil and target U.S. and partner facilities while affording plausible deniability and a disproportionate return on the investment, all in our adversaries’ favor.”'
     
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  6. lonewolf

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    Wars are always started by Politicians, but you never see any of their children serving in the military, they are kept well away from any danger and are well pampered to boot.
     
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    "I ain't no senator's son"

     
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    Information on the coming Russo-Ukraine war:

    https://www.thebulwark.com/war-europe-could-be-imminent-ukraine-russia-putin-biden/

    "'The Bulwark' spoke with the former commander of U.S. Army Europe about what's at stake in Ukraine and what American can do to help.

    "To understand what’s happening, what it means, and what we should do about it, THE BULWARK spoke to Gen. Ben Hodges (Ret.), the former commander of U.S. Army Europe who now holds the Pershing Chair in Strategic Studies at the Center for European Policy Analysis.

    "War looks imminent in Eastern Europe. Russia, which invaded Ukraine in 2014 and has been waging an aggressive war there ever since, has amassed around 100,000 soldiers on Ukraine’s borders in what appear to be preparations for a renewed offensive."

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    "Why Russia will invade Ukraine"

    https://news.yahoo.com/why-russia-invade-ukraine-120124622.html

    "For Russian President Vladimir Putin, history requires that Russia invade and control Ukraine. Putin perceives Ukraine as a vital buffer for Russian security. Twice in the last two centuries, invaders from Europe have ravaged Russia. In 1812, Napoleon led some 500,000 soldiers into Russia, defeating the Russian Army at the brutal Battle of Borodino and occupying a burning Moscow before his catastrophic retreat through the Russian winter. In June 1941 an unsuspecting Stalin, who had secretly allied with Hitler two years earlier to partition Poland with Germany upon Germany’s 1939 invasion of Poland, was stunned when Hitler launched a massive multi-pronged savage invasion of the Soviet Union.

    "One of the main thrusts of the German invasion was into Ukraine, which Germany quickly overran, corralling some 500,000 Soviet troops in a pincer movement east of and around Kiev. In spring 1942, the Soviet Army incurred major losses in the Second Battle of Kharkov, Ukraine. Ukraine was then a launching point for Hitler’s attack on Stalingrad, where at last the Soviets stopped and began to finally reverse the German onslaught. The Russian Republic of the Soviet Union alone lost an estimated 6,750,000 soldiers and over 7 million civilians in World War II, known in Russia as the Great Patriotic War.

    "Putin was born in 1952. His father and mother suffered greatly in the German siege of Leningrad. His older brother perished. Other family members died in the war."

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_gas_disputes

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    https://crescentcitytimes.com/war-update-1/

    "In the following paragraphs, I will present a large body of facts pointing to an armed conflict between China and Russia against the United States and NATO. While draconian Covid mandates and criminal anarchy rule the streets in “Free” Countries of the West, our communist enemies are preparing for all-out war; nuclear war.

    "December 16th, Russia fired a Zircon hypersonic missile from the White Sea aboard the Admiral Gorshkov Frigate, impacting with a coastal target at the Chizha training ground. An article in the Sun headlined the news “BLAST OFF Russian invasion of Ukraine will spark World War 3, Kiev fears as Putin fires hypersonic nuke just 22 miles from border. Another article in the Daily Beast published December 21st, 2021 headlines “Russian Citizens are now being Prepped for Nuclear War.”

    "In 2020, and again in early 2021, several US Aircraft Carrier groups were sent to secure United Nations mandated free navigation within the South China Sea. China claims all international waters of the South China Sea as its own, as well as the island nation of Taiwan and an increasing number of other islands, both natural and man-made. To this end, the People’s Liberation Army has been fortifying these islands with “Aircraft Carrier Killer” missile systems.

    "Beginning in May 2021, the United States Navy participated in the largest Naval exercise in history; involving 25,000 US personnel in 17 out of 24 time zones. Other Countries involved in these exercises included Great Britain, Australia, Japan, India, and a variety of NATO countries."

    O.Gzr: The above link is long read, however points are made that are generally NOT covered in the MSM.
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    Santa presented Putin with some peppy presents.

    "Russia test-fires new hypersonic Tsirkon missiles from frigate, submarine"

    https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...sirkon-missiles-frigate-submarine-2021-12-31/

    "MOSCOW, Dec 31 (Reuters) - Russia test-fired around 10 new Tsirkon (Zircon) hypersonic cruise missiles from a frigate and two more from a submarine, Interfax news agency said on Friday citing northern fleet.

    "Russian President Vladimir Putin has lauded the weapon as part of a new generation of unrivalled arms systems.

    "Putin has called a missile test, conducted last week, 'a big event in the country's life', adding that this was "a substantial step" in increasing Russia's defense capabilities.
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    "Watch for War"

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/watch_for_war.html

    "What do tyrants do when their ship is sinking or, more accurately, when they realize that their house of cards will not hold up? They divert their populace by starting a war — or at least allowing one to happen. War isn't simply a way of diverting attention, either. The very fact of a war emergency makes it far easier to erode or negate whatever civil liberties still exist. Think: PATRIOT Act.

    "Currently, war beckons in two places: the Russian-European border and the South China Sea and Taiwan. I'm not saying that either Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping is an aggrieved party. Both could conceivably become the Hitlers of the 21st century.

    "But ask yourself if the floundering, self-immolating Biden-Harris administration might not rejoice at the gargantuan pass it would get if Americans — including especially conservative Americans — must focus on a foreign enemy. Gone would be the rightful concerns about vaccine madness, dementia, runaway inflation, Big Tech/mass media fascism, corrupt education unions, failing Democrat cities, ginned up racial hatred, attacks on the Second Amendment, the federalization of elections, a corrupt FBI and DOJ, election fraud, the Russia Hoax, parental rights and school boards, an open southern border, and on and on.

    "Biden (and Harris, if there's room) will wrap themselves snugly in the flag, and all will be forgiven. For a time. But the theft of civil liberties will make a "comeback" highly unlikely for freedom. The Uniparty will own everything.

    "Remember Obama/Holder's plan to centralize/federalize all local police forces? War panic paves the way for that. What about the new push to federalize all elections and rip away states' authority? Again, a good war panic, just like the COVID panic, will make it happen. And you can't beat war for nationalizing industries. What better way to transform America than a national emergency even better than COVID?
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    "So watch what this administration does in the next weeks and months — and doesn't do — to ward off the prospect of war. Watch too the outcome of such war (hint: with what we saw in Afghanistan, we may not win).

    "Spoiler alert: Nothing catalyzes governmental, economic, and social change in a country quite like military defeat. So an urgent message to those still with a shred of patriotism in our leadership: You do not want to go to war under the banner — or at the direction — of this repugnant administration."
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  11. lonewolf

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    there is a saying in politics " a good day to bury bad news", something which is so big that everything else pales into insignificance.
     
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    Yep.

    That's my fear. Here in the States, using military conflicts as means to smother government screw-ups is observed throughout this nation's short history.

    The MSM will excoriate a conservative government, but support a war started by the Social Democrats.

    Left and Right want no part of getting involved in the upcoming Russian invasion of Ukraine, however. Biden, his son, and his cronies were trying to get the most out of Ukraine. Everybody knows this and will blame the biden administration if our troops, our nation, are put at risk.

    The midterm elections are coming up and the socialists are getting backed against a wall all over the U.S.. This Leftist administration could pull a mega-nasty. Our nation will not come together this time. A stunt like this could rip this nation completely apart ... as in physical conflicts at home.
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    military conflicts (are there any other kinds?) will continue, wars over vital resources, religion, territory/borders and regime change have been going on for centuries almost since the dawn of time, so I cant suddenly see countries going all pacifist and disbanding their armies any time soon. more the opposite I think.
     
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    Anti-war Social Democrat administrations love wars. Wars bail them out of the land of MASSIVE screw-ups they cause.

    "U.S Aircraft Carrier Strike Group Heads for Mediterranean amid Russia Threats"

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-heads-for-mediterranean-amid-russia-threats/

    "Russia annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula in 2014 and shortly after threw its support behind a separatist rebellion in the country’s east. Over more than seven years, the fighting has killed over 14,000 people and devastated Ukraine’s industrial heartland, known as the Donbas.

    "Kirby acknowledged tensions with Russia had sparked discussions among the allies on the holding of exercises, although Russian naval capabilities are still a largely unknown quantity.

    “'There was due consideration about — given tensions right now — about our exercise posture. And after all that consideration and discussion with our NATO allies, the decision was made to move ahead,' he told reporters.

    "Any further engagement beyond regional exercises is subject to debate.

    "As Breitbart News reported, Americans largely do not support intervening militarily in the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine and prefer diplomatic pressure or weapons support."
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    Preppers get ready. This saber-rattling could go MASSIVELY wrong! This is raw madness!
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    The United States Democrats desperately want to save face after their consistent failures since the 2021 political coup . Now they have been shoved up to the line to face Putin . Whomever runs the democrat syndicate is obviously deraigned and incompetent . Countries shouldering up with the United States believing the U.S. is a reliable and trustworthy ally should think about what the shadowy U.S. leader did to Afghanistan allies . --- To quote Old Geezer " this could go massively wrong " .---- If this goes sideways many countries could lose their power grid , supply chain and any resemblance of law and order , for the rest of their lifetime .
     
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    I dont think any country has any doubts about Dementia Joe and those pulling his strings.
    The "special relationship" that once existed between the US and the UK is now ancient history.
    after the debacle of the Afghan withdrawal I dont see how anyone can trust the Democrats ever again.
     
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    Very easily the situation with Russia , China and the U.N. could easily turn into cyber attacks or EMP attacks . Even worse could be on our threshold . Those that clung to the idea of a Nuke exchange would never happen a year ago because of mutual destruction , likely didn't take into account a delusional group taking over the U.S. White House .
     
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    As of today " my opinion " Russia WILL invade Ukraine . As of today " my opinion "to save face the U.N. WILL join in and escalate the conflict . That only leaves the question , to what degree will the conflicting countries go to become victorious ? According to my google search Russia now has an estimated 1,750 nukes . -- I have noticed before on this forum that not many , " if any " other than me believe they could survive such an onslaught . If you ain't ready it's too late now .
     
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    I just intercepted , families with ties to the military are moving into some kind of facility as to provide protection from a nuke attack . About a dozen families are reported , there as of this time . I can not confirm if this report is legitimate .
     
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    https://news.antiwar.com/2022/01/28...easing-us-ties-with-taiwan-could-lead-to-war/

    "China’s ambassador to the US warned Friday that Washington’s increasing support for Taiwan could ultimately lead to a war between the US and China.

    "Ambassador Qin Gang said the US is “emboldening” independence forces in Taiwan. “If the Taiwanese authorities, emboldened by the United States, keep going down the road for independence, it most likely will involve China and the United States, the two big countries, in the military conflict,” he said in an interview with NPR."
     
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    The political party currently occupying the White House loves war -- seems to have always loved war and slavery. It was the party of the Confederacy. Teddy Roosevelt got us into the Spanish American war. Woodrow Wilson got us into the First World War. The Second World War was a belated extension of the First World War. Lyndon B. Johnson got us deeply into Vietnam. ... on and on and on ...

    "America Can ‘Absolutely’ Afford Another War Says US Treasury Secretary"

    https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/america-can-absolutely-afford-another-war-says-us-treasury-secretary/

    "America can 'absolutely' afford to financially support Israel’s war with Gaza as well Ukraine’s conflict with Russia, according to US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen."

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    "U.S. can ‘certainly’ afford military support to both Israel and Ukraine, Janet Yellen says"

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/16/us-...oth-israel-and-ukraine-janet-yellen-says.html

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    Asked in an interview with Britain’s Sky News on Monday whether the U.S. could afford to be providing military support to Israel and to Ukraine in its ongoing war with Russia, Yellen said “the answer is absolutely.”

    “America can certainly afford to stand with Israel and to support Israel’s military needs and we also can and must support Ukraine in its struggle against Russia,” Yellen said, adding that the U.S. economy is doing “extremely well.”

    “Inflation has been high and it’s been a concern to households, it’s come down considerably. At the same time, we have about the strongest labor market we’ve seen in 50 years with 3.8% unemployment. And at the same time, America, the Biden administration, has passed legislation that is strengthening our economy in years to come for the medium term.”

    Yellen said the need to release funds for both allies was a “priority” and called for Republicans in the House of Representatives to seat a speaker so that legislation can be passed, following the ousting of former Speaker Kevin McCarthy.


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