A Place For Air Guns???

I own a Ruger 22 cal, air rifle with factory included suppressor. I have used air rifles professionally to take game up to coyote size. Mine is a cocking model but I have used the tank compressed air models. I prefer the cocking models since I was always in a bad spot when my tank ran out of air. I prefer 22 cal. over the 177 cal. as it always made for cleaner kills and was safe to use in urban areas for pigeon control. Animals the size of groundhogs (woodchucks) and porcupines are easy targets for air rifles and areas with spruce grouse or blue grouse make for many meals as the lack of noise keeps the other birds from spooking. The same is true for pigeons at night with a light. The 22 cal. will easily kill 3 pigeons with one shot when they are roosting.

Dale

 

.50 cal air rifles____ Lotta power, notta lotta noise.







Fast-forward into this video to 7 minutes to get to the hawg hunt. This fellow got too much emotion going on, but he's using yet another brand of .50 cal. air rifle. I wanted to show some different brands.


Hog hunting with a .50 air rifle; this guy goes for head shots, good deal, I like this guy.

 

When you put this air rifle through its paces, let us know how it performed. I like that it has multiple shots per air-fill. I like that it has an 8 - shot magazine. Not just post-SHTF, but right here and now, there is the need for quiet shots -- whether they come from sub-sonic ammo or an air rifle.

If you could, please let us know about its terminal ballistics. Whatever you wish to test this on -- animal bone, ballistic gel, sheets of wood, ... . Will it rip or even cause to explode a 16 oz. drink bottle?

One thing we all need to remember is to use air rifle oil in our toys. Regular oil will diesel-off, send the pellet super-sonic, and blow the seals in the air rifle. I've had this happen even using proper pellet oil -- thank goodness the pellet rifle was not damaged.

Just read the specs on the Air Venturi Avenger. Manuf sez it provides 24 shots per fill.







If this air rifle is a performer, I see a lot of folk being interested in purchasing one.

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Shooting pigeons

 

Stew pot meat is stew pot meat. Humans do not need a whole lot of meat per day. Four ounces is all you need. Gotta get your Vit B12 and you only get that from meat or eggs or insect grubs.

 

The government overlords of the U.K. still allow the purchase of .22 rifles. Get an accurate .22 and feed it subsonic Eley ammunition. You may already have some .22 rifles. Other folk from England may be reading this posting and may wish to purchase a rifle for small game and for target practice. When the British economy and government collapse, they'll wish they had bought something with which to kill sitting birds and small mammals. Good that you live far away from London, LoneWolf. Some terrorist group may use London as a test platform for a make-do nuke. Smuggling is now big business in London -- all they have to do is smuggle in the parts for WMDs.

I just read that pump-action .22 rimfire rifles are legal in England. No pump rifles in larger calibers (calibres), nor center-fire pumps; but rimfires, yes. Is this true?





Truth be told, it takes little power to kill squirrels; however, it does take marksmanship, therefore practice practice practice.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6434065/How-guns-killing-Britains-teenagers-UK.html
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https://www.keenstackleandguns.co.u...and-accessories/ammunition/22-ammunition.html

I was looking online for subsonic .22 lr ammo available in England. Seems subsonic ammo is readily available over there. Of course if you are a member of a criminal gang, you can buy anything you want in England, to include AKs, Makarovs, and the ammunition for them. This is what centralized government is all about -- keeping the populace in fear so that they will run to Big Brother for help. Here in America, the ammo stores have little stock due to gun-owners buying-up ammo for the coming civil war. Too, with the defunding of police here in The States, people have come to realize that they themselves are going to have to take care of the aggressors.

https://www.mcavoyguns.co.uk/contents/en-uk/p74244_Eley-Club-.22lr-ammunition.html

https://www.eleyammunition.com/eley-club-22lr/

 

When governments collapse, draconian laws will mean nothing.

Many Americans WANT the police defunded so that the wanna-be revolutionaries will have no protection from the Will of the People. Recently, all that the police have been doing is to protect the looters from the citizens.

 

The crime rates among Americans of European descent are the same as the crime rates seen in Europe. We are genetic cousins, thus the same behavioral patterns. Historically-speaking, some tribes found in Europe were monsters -- there is no denying that. Members of these blood lines are still out there -- they are out there and making babies. There are some family lines of Whites that are to be totally avoided.

In the following table, note that in the states listed as lowest in homicide rates, few non-European people live in those states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

 

Near target accuracy from an inexpensive air rifle. Great stuff.

I've killed the crap out'a small game with a .177 Beeman at 650 fps; you have double the energy out'a your air rifle. It'll kill what you need to kill. Accuracy is what it is all about. Poachers kill deer with .22 subsonic ammo. Dead is dead. Meat on the table keeps people alive and healthy. Bottom line.

Trusting a weapon gives one the needed confidence. I know what I can do. I know what it can do. And being quiet is a good thing.
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High-end pellet rifles -- super-accurate, super-powerful, super-expensive:

 

Don't see the point of gas guns, keep it simple with a break barrel or underlever air gun pistol or rifle. LW, I've got two you'd like, my dads BSA Airsporter in .22 and BSA Meteor in .177 (or it might be the other way round) in store, I must get them out and check them over, not been used in years but were well oiled before putting away.

 

Just checked a photo album and last time I used them was when I was a nipper back in 1994, got a photo of me and dad with them and I'd guess thats the last time they were used. I got them off my brother in 2012 who was going to sell them and thats when I put them away. I'll strip down to bare bones and rebuild them when I get the chance...probably another ten years

 

re: First few shots being off.

I don't know about air rifles doing this, but with target rifles, one must fire some rounds to warm the barrel -- even if it is a heavy barrel. Too, a barrel with some fouling in it has a different strike-point than a freshly cleaned barrel.
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Pellet rifles with gas reservoirs are usually for high velocity / extra energy. This is especially true of the .22 pellet rifles and calibers above .22. A cocking rifle to achieve such velocity would have to take a tremendous amount of force to cock it, or it would have to be pumped up. I used to have a pump-up .177 handgun. You were not to pump it more than like 12 times, so I would pump it 20 and it lasted -- kept it for decades. I did have to replace an "O"-ring in it once.

High velocity pellet rifles in the U.K. must be registered with Big Brother as a firearm. I don't know why. They are still inadequate for self-defense. God forbid that some genetic trash burglar get injured.

http://www.airgunexpress.co.uk/page-21/airgun-laws.html

"Always ensure that your air rifle is powerful enough to achieve a clean kill of your chosen quarry and do not attempt a shot of more than 30 metres. Generally the ideal power level is just over 11 ft lb (15J). For an air rifle that is more powerful than 12 ft lb, (16.25J) you must have a firearm certificate."

 

I sort of agree with you but they are a bit of family history. I'll take them to Spain, got room out there to pling at home. I've been looking at the gun laws out there and there's a handgun club not far from me which I'll be trying out for sure, guest shooter sort of thing.

 

I like air guns. I have a couple of rifles and a couple of pistols. One rifle and one pistol is a pump up type. The other rifle is a spring piston type and the other pistol uses co2 charges. The Rifles are both capable of taking small game and the pump up pistol might manage. I like the 177 but then I don't need an under powered 22 when I have 4 22LR rifles.

 

I have two of the cocking variety of pellet rifles. Y'know, where you use the barrel as the lever. One is low-power but deadly accurate. The other is powerful but not as accurate.

One does not need a .458 Winchester magnum to nuke a bird or squirrel.

The more powerful airgun I got for a song, used. I put a air rifle scope on it to reach out there ... maybe to drive off stray dogs ... I don't know. Post SHTF, one could use it to drive-off trespassers if you didn't want to kill anybody. Close-in, it would be a danger to a human. I mean, this thing would crack a human skull -- it'll go 3/4" into dried pine.

I like the concept of the really, really powerful air rifles. Just can't see me spending a bunch of money right now on one of them. I fully understand why people buy them.

If I need more power, I go to .22 LR in subsonic / VERY subsonic rounds. CB cap .22 rounds can barely be heard. Too, they are not dangerous at distance as is the regular .22 long rifle rounds. I live about 1.5 mile from mountain forests, but there are plenty of people around here, not a city, but still I don't want a round coming down near anybody at all.

I keep thinking about getting back into archery. I've got a 50lb compound with newish string. Modern compounds are much superior. I got really good at archery and probably should get up off my butt and practice. Stretching the bow helps back muscles and can reduce back pain according to physical therapists (God knows I've been tortured by a bunch of them).
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Muzzle energy limit on unlicensed air rifles in the UK is 12lb and for pistols 6lb, you can have the same power as air weapons in the USA but you'd need a FAC

https://www.airgunshooting.co.uk/shooting/expert-advice/airgun-law-in-the-uk-6309926

 

What is an FAC?

 

UK FAC information

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/firearms-licensing-police-guidance