Advanced Survival = Plywood, Hammer, Saw, Nails.

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  1. Sourdough

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    So.......if your "NOT" going to ever leave your home in a post SHTF environment. Expect some broken windows and doors. Even if you successfully repel an assault on your home, it would be prudent to expect damage. If I was building a new place........it would be built with heavy-duty shutters. Having several sheets of 1/2" CDX on hand is "Advanced Prepping".
     
  2. Morgan101

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    Good advice. I am good on the hammer and nails part. Even keep them in my car in a tool bag. I am light on the plywood. I have some, but not near enough for all windows. That would be a challenge.
     
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  3. GateCrasher

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    Have an attic Morgan? I precut 5/8" OSB to fit specific windows, then put them in the attic to act as flooring across the joists for additional storage space there. Each piece marked for the window it fits.

    When I built shelving units for the garage, 2nd bathroom, basement, and for a pantry, I built the frames all out of 2x4s and OSB. Screwed together to be able to disassemble them easily if needed. Dual use, extra storage space now and can tear them apart for the lumber later if needed. I over-engineered them using more wood than was really required, and tried to keep the pieces as large as possible.
     
  4. Sonofliberty

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    Nah, hammer and nails is not "advanced". Bolts and/or screws with predrilled holes where you can noiselessly cover your windows in minutes instead of hammering for hours, is "advanced". Prior planning prevents piss poor performance. Even better would be roll down steel window coverings you can lock and control from inside.
     
  5. TMT Tactical

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    I like the old fashion looking sliding window shutters. They have nice curb appeal but in seconds can be closed and bolted together. If installing other types of barriers, I also vote to go with the screws. Both for installation time and the shear force required to pull them out. JM2C
     
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  6. Keith H.

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    Yes I have thought of this in the past. I do have all I need to do this, but I still need to be able to see outside. The first thing we will/would be doing it erecting a palisade around the house & cottage.
    Keith.
     
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  7. poltiregist

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    The only way I would find myself inside my retreat trying to defend it from attack is if I was caught by surprise . My plan would be to be on the outside conducting a sniper like attack on them . The attackers would likely quickly find themselves in a hell of a mess .
     
  8. TMT Tactical

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    Keith the palisade will also do a real good job of keeping you family trapped inside, with a minimal number of the opposing force. Home defenders have one major advantage over the attacking force, they can create killing zones. The use of thorny barriers to channel egress will force attackers into your defined fields of fire. This works when you have enough fire power (fast loading and fast firing --- force multipliers).

    Poltrigist, The sniper attack does demoralize attacking forces but will not stop a force with superior numbers. In my humble opinion, sniping provides the time for emergency evac of the family to a close location. Then activate the numerous lethal traps withing the compound and the dwellings, is my plan. Continue to whittle the numbers down, while protecting the family. Keep forcing the attackers to enter your predesignated killing zones. It won't take long to convince the remaining attackers to make a run for it. Now comes the part many will not agree with. The surviving attackers MUST be hunted down, immediately. Any survivors will just form or join anther group and return to try again. Rambling over.

    The shutter are not for holding down the fort, they are to delay the attackers while the family evacuates. Hardened doors and door frames can be breached but not quickly. Every delay point provides the sniper with more targets. The sniper knows the area and should be shooting (one shot) and then moving to the next shooting position. The designated kill zones will force the attackers to be concentrated, easier targets. Booby traps inside will also slow the attackers down. Remember this these booby traps do not have to be lethal immediately, this is post SHTF and no doctors and emergency care units. A load of bird shot will kill once the infection sets in. Delayed acting poisoned booze, poisoned tobacco, poisoned food will take a major toll too. Within just a day or two, the survivors will make run for it. Let them clear the compound and them hunt them down. Take at least one prisoner to interrogate, you will want to know if any stayed behind at the compound.
     
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  9. Old Geezer

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    I like the idea of heavy shutters with iron hinges. Remember to cut small rectangles for viewing and as rifle ports.

    Think heavy plexiglass to deflect stones and such.

    Molotov cocktail fires will require heavy-duty fire extinguishers and interior water hoses. Hose nozzle should have option of providing a mist-cone to attempt to deny the fire the oxygen it needs. This is especially useful for liquid accelerant fires like M.Cocktail fires.

    Could have a huge drop bar / thick wooden plank that blocks door. Plank is held by two cradle brackets -- think cross-beam to keep two castle doors from being breached.

    If you use a large metal window grate, don't put it on the outside, put it on the inside of the window & have its locking mechanism on the inside of your house. You don't want your home to be your prison, or worse, the place you are trapped when the looters start to burn it.

    If your house / building is surrounded, then shoot into looters with your most lethal firearms/ammunition. Then toss out the smoke grenades. When you detect that you may have a chance to escape, do so. If anyone is in your way, you know what to do.
     
  10. TMT Tactical

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    Folks can create their own roof mounted fire sprinkler system, without city / county approval. Just run CPVC piping across the roof ridge line and pump water up to the sprinkler heads. Collect the water run off back into return lines to the water pump. You can use water harvesting tanks to support your fire system. This is not an automatic system but could be made into an automatic system with a flow switch and and adding fire sprinklers heads with thermal links. The automatic system is much more complex and has many more failure points. I like the simple "Roof Washing" system. If you make the system automatic, it will be a tough sell as a "Roof Washing " system. The roof washing system will not lower your insurance bills but will prevent your roof being set on fire during an attack. NOTE: you will need some method to pump the water to the roof. A big battery powered recirculating pump would work. Just rambling on.
     
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  11. lonewolf

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    I find the "attacking force" theory a bit OTT unless one lives in a big city or a large urban centre, then YES they will be attacked by the have nots at some time, maybe not straight away, in which case plywood wont be much good, more of a case for some form of metal sheeting I think, and if that is the requirement I think someone is living in the wrong place.
    being far away from any large city is the number one precaution.
     
  12. Morgan101

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    Unfortunately, no we don't have an attic, but what you have done sounds like excellent planning and an excellent use of resources. Plywood would be stored either in the garage or basement.
     
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  13. poltiregist

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    [QUOTE="TMT Tactical, post: 52004, mem. Now comes the part many will not agree with. The surviving attackers MUST be hunted down, immediately. Any survivors will just form or join anther group and return to try again. Rambling over. -------------
    I agree on the hunting them down part . I don't plan to be on the defensive for long but on the offensive . That is why I have a bloodhound . Less than a week ago I had the law at my door when we had a fugitive after a high speed chase wrecked his car and fled on foot into the woods . I knew this fugitive and really didn't want to trail him down . He was apprehended a few days later .
     
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  14. Duncan

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    [QUOTE="TMT Tactical, post: 52004, mem. Now comes the part many will not agree with. The surviving attackers MUST be hunted down, immediately. Any survivors will just form or join anther group and return to try again.[/QUOTE]

    You're right, and I am one of those many who disagree. If I were in my home after a disaster (especially if it were an urban area) and a bunch of free-lance socialists paid a visit, I could pop two or three of them and the rest would run away. They (the survivors, anyway) would then have three options: (1) keep running to the point where they might get popped by another homeowner who doesn't want to share; (2) try their luck at another home where the owner might not have an AR-15; or (4) get some other idiots together and head back to a place where they knew the homeowner is armed, prepared, and has already killed some of their erstwhile companions.

    Which one would YOU do?

    Now supposing you think the same people whose comrades you killed were really going to come back, so you bid your wife and kids good-bye, and leave them -- and your defensive environment -- to go out in the streets where not only are the original ass-holes will be licking their wounds, but you'll also have a good chance of meeting some new ass-holes who could throw down and pop you and what would happen to your family?

    I like to think of myself as a wanna-be survivalist, not a wanna-be Rambo.
     
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  15. TMT Tactical

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    Since we are making pretend situations. The attackers just got runoff. Several days later they run into another groups and offer to share their info about the armed but well stocked home. So now instead of 3 or 4 surviving attackers you are facing 10 to 12 attackers, some who have already encountered your defense preparation. Which group would have been easier to deal with? Tracking down the attackers does not mean walking down the street. The attack survivors my also want a bit of revenge for their lost friends / family member and simply fail to mention the new group just how dangerous your homes was. Rambo no, more like Genghis khan who had a practice of eliminating all his enemies. Seemed to work pretty darn well for him and his tribe.
     
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  16. Pragmatist

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    Good morning TMT Tactical,

    Many presumptions are being presented - but they do not withstand reality.

    Thorny bushes as barricades are not fireproof.

    Besides Keith's mentioned PDR - Physician's Desk Reference - the pharma book - ensure you have eye protection against blindness from lasers. Smoke evac masks: I've mentioned this more than frequently. Sonic boom migraine headaches like experienced by US diplomats (and some Canadian diplomats) in Havana and Guangzhu ... maybe it's just all in the diplomats' heads. The official public reports are non-confirming as to what caused the headaches.

    Only an extended family - ie more trusted people or an org can protect against prepared and determined predators.

    A major presumption being made is not ever getting injured or sick. I'm writing from the nation's most sophisticated unofficial military / paramilitary ....(that's why Virginia has legislation making militias illegal - although law inactive because of the whittled down exceptions) - area: "Navy Norfolk" corridor up to Ft Meade, Maryland environs. Predator attackers know about portable aerial sprays (not Avon or Mary Kay products).

    Consider an evacuation.

    Dogs are out. Fire extinguishers are in.

    Remember, everything's going on at night.
     
  17. TMT Tactical

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    No fortification is invincible. Concrete walls don't stop tanks. For every defense, there is a counter offense. Yes thorny bushes can be burned but they do pose a problem to intruders that don't want to announce their presence or want to expend their flammable fuel on burn bushes.

    Evac is some case's is an outstanding choice. In other situations it is just a prolonged death sentence. Would I want to evac from a Pandemic situation, absolutely. Would I want to evac from my home because I lost power, not likely. Different situations require different approaches.
     
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  18. lonewolf

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    these are ADVANCED precautions not after the fact, a bit like boarding up your house before a storm.
     
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  19. Dalewick

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    Been building and remodeling this place ever since I bought it 20 years ago. Steel roof, concrete siding and as I can, hurricane windows for there resistance to impacts. Probably die working on this place, but it is home. Built or remodeled 80% of the place now and have good carpenter, mason, plumber, painter and electrician skills for my efforts. Always something to do and learn.

    Dale
     
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  20. TMT Tactical

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    Sounds like you are going to have a very nice, SAFE home. I tend to like the building part being done myself, as I know I won't take any short cuts.
     
  21. TexDanm

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    Having plywood, lumber, nails and other hardware on hand is a great preparation that you either do in advance or may not be able to gather and do at all. If you have it on hand this opens options that may be important. Unless you are extremely isolated you may wish to cover your windows so that light can't be spotted from outside at night.

    You also need to at least think and have the supplies on hand to make hardened places you can fire from to defend your place. There are all sorts of things that work well for this. sandbags, old tires, railroad crossties, logs... I've dug in under my place and have dirt berms that I will top off with more if things ever go down. I can access these holes from closets with trap doors in the floor. I have bushes in the front of the house but from underneath my field of view is very good while making me impossible to see and provides cover that will stop bullets.

    I have seen a couple of very attractive short walls that were made with tires that were filled with dirt or sand and then covered with stucco or cement. those things are totally bulletproof. If you wish you can leave the top open and plant vegetables in the middle of the tires.

    For years I have always cut the legs off of jeans when they wore out. I sew one end closed and then just save them to use as heavy-duty bags. Filled with sand they would make cheap sandbags for toping your fox holes. I also have a couple that are full of coins. Someday somebody is going to like finding those bags.
     
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  22. Dalewick

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    Are you talking about earthships. Saw one in Utah years ago and I'm thinking they could probably stop a 50 cal round. They are very cool. Added pic of one under construction and one in New Zeland. They can be beautiful as well as functional.

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  23. TexDanm

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    I suspect that a tire wall with packed earth filling them will stop any civilian available weapon.
     
  24. TMT Tactical

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    I like the earth / tire construction for perimeter walls. Solves several problems. 1) The tires are not dumped someplace. 2) Tires can be gotten for free. 3) Cheap construction (anchors, screws, compacting tool and a few tools). Cover with stucco and you have a tall, cheap, bullet proof compound wall.
     
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  25. Sonofliberty

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    Have you tried packing tires with dirt? It is a ton of work. If you aren't in shape when you start building, you will be in great shape when you finish.
     
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  26. TMT Tactical

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    I said I like the concept, I sure as heck do not plan to be the one to do it!!! That is why you have young un's. :D
     
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  27. Old Geezer

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    Can set posts in ground to align tires -- drop tires over the posts, zig-zag each new layer. Can pour a concrete footer for each post -- not for the whole wall, you just want to hold the bottom where it is. First line or two of tires, pour some concrete in there. If you want to make sure the wall doesn't tip you can buttress it ever so many feet.

    Pouring dead men helps hold a wall where there is a bank, but may not be of any use for this project. Hillside, wall is in front of you, hill is behind you, you are in a divot you've dug. Pour dead men in the hill and run long steel rods or wooden beams through where you occupy, past you, on into the hill attaching to the dead men built into the hill. Again, the men occupy the trench area between the wall and the hill. The men therein can see these beams going overhead into the bank. The wall is now far less likely to fall outward or inward. Buttresses can perform the same function and are likely easier to construct.

    Higher the wall, the less stable the wall.

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  28. Old Geezer

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    Military uses gabion walls. Drag out the steel mesh.

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