Advice Against Wild Dog Attacks

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  1. Blitz

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    I'm after advice on how to protect myself (and my pup) against wild dog attacks in the forest.

    I go into the forest next to my property to collect wood, as well as giving my pup a run without having to worry about people wandering about, as it's nice and remote. However, last week we had an alarming encounter with a pack of wild dogs, which has left me hesitant to venture into the forest. This is a real shame, as it is one of the few activities I really enjoy.

    The wild dogs went to attack on a track I had "carved" out secretly to prevent any other people invading our space. It was only pure luck that the pup was back in the car as we were just about to move on to another area to get some wood when the dogs appeared out of nowhere.

    I don't think I have ever run so fast and so hard in my entire life after the initial period of the dogs eyeing me up before running towards us. I bolted and literally threw myself in the car next to pup and slammed the door. The tailgate was still open so I secured pup so he wouldn't leap out the back and attempt to fight the dogs (he wouldn't have had a chance - these dogs were massive in comparison to a German Shepherd - almost genetic mutations, like a Great Dane or English Mastiff on steriods). I then climbed into the front and took off a way down the track so I could get out and close the tailgate. Yep, the dogs followed.

    We've had a lot of howling dogs either close to or on the property recently. That evening, my pup was going off his head barking at something at the bottom of the property near the dam. My son thought there were dogs on the property and wondered if they had followed us home. Would wild dogs exhibit this type of behaviour?

    As a lot of you are probably aware, in Aus it's totally illegal to use firearms in the forest unless you have a "genuine reason" and have jumped through hoops left, right and centre to shoot in designated forests with a special R licence. Bows are also illegal to use unless you go through the same protocols. So ... any recommendations?

    https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/hunting/...ssion-conditions-hunting-in-nsw-state-forests
     
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  2. varuna

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    Easy solution. Eat them before they attack you
     
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  3. randyt

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    that is a tough one with out being able to use firearms or some such. Nothing legal that I know of. If it were my world, I would be using snares.
     
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  4. randyt

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    can you have a air rifle?
     
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  5. Blitz

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    No, air rifles are illegal as well. It's also illegal to trap wild dogs, unless (same as with firearms) you get permission and jump through all the loops. I guess a big stick is going to have to do and just hope they don't jump up and pull me to the ground before I manage to wack them. Even then, not sure how effective that would be against a pack. I couldn't believe how quietly they snuck up on us. They appeared out of nowhere. I wonder if they picked up on my scent, the pups, or both? :(

    Guess I'll just have to buy a 300 acre property, then I can do whatever the hell I like ...
     
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  6. Sourdough

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    Go to a Scuba Dive Shop and buy a "Bang'Stick" for diving in shark infested waters.

    A "Quality" Machete.

    Dry dog food and antifreeze. (Just keep your dog safe)
     
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  7. Blitz

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    Ooooh, that's a great idea Sourdough!
     
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  8. Sourdough

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    How much does 300 acres cost.........???
     
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    Tell them it is a gift for your son. Don't tell them why you want it.
     
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  10. Blitz

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    I'm looking for something like this:

    https://www.realestate.com.au/property-lifestyle-nsw-jackadgery-700047650

    (Edited - I put in wrong link)

    My property should sell for around $350,000 to $360,000 so I'd have a bit to play with. The only problem with the property above is that it's 2WD access (I want 4WD only access) and it's not far enough off the main road. But otherwise it ticks all the boxes. Dual dwellings means I can have the son and daughter in law living there as well.
     
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  11. Sourdough

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    Fishing spears can be handy.

    A three foot piece of 3/4" or 1" water pipe is handy. Put a cap on each end.

    If you go with a stick........build your own, don't just pick up a random stick.

    Cold Steel makes a wonderful spear tip for a five foot walking stick.

    A ballpeen hammer is a delightful tool.
     
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  12. Rebecca

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    Are you allowed a starting pistol? As in starting a race type pistol? They make enough noise it may cause the dogs to pause at least.

    My only minor suggestion is carry a couple of methods. If the dogs unfortunately get close enough you are forced to engage physically there is always the chance of loosing your primary weapon. For example no point in engaging in a tug of war if one grabs your walking stick, drop it and use the next weapon.

    Perhaps a good quality hatchet / tomahawk on your belt as well. You can always say it's for the firewood.

    Like Sourdough's BangStick idea maybe an electric cattle prod?
     
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  13. Blitz

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    Unfortunately starter pistols are classified as firearms and therefore you have to have a licence to use one. You have to have a pistol licence which means you have to complete the approved firearms safety course (even if you have a rifle licence - go figure).

    Great idea to carry a couple of different methods. An electric cattle prod is a good suggestion too.

    Thanks Rebecca!
     
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  14. Old Geezer

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    Surely you jest. I guess there's some powerful enough, but you'd not have follow-up shots. Too rare these.
     
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  15. Old Geezer

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    Straight to hell with Australian law. I hope such "officials" are shredded to death by wild dogs. I hope they scream to death, take a long time to die, and spend eternity separated from God. I curse them from the bottom of my soul.
     
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  16. Old Geezer

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    You could make a double-end spear with a handle area. near the ends have long nails sticking out so that if a dog bites it, the dog will slice-up its mouth and start bleeding. Sometimes if there is enough blood, the dogs will turn on the most wounded dog ripping its throat out, starting a blood-fest among the dogs.

    You could put out largish meat paddies with broken glass in the meat. They'll swallow big chunks of meat and the shards of glass will cut-up their guts and they'll die from internal bleeding. For humans, you can make billy clubs with razor blades nailed to the end so that if grabbed, you can rip the tendons loose in the person's hands.

    You gotta wear thick leather gloves when carrying these things. Don't wanna hurt yourself.

    Dear old Dad told me to, "Shoot'em through the lungs boy and they'll go off somewhere to die."

    You could go out in a vehicle. Bait the things and when they come in, wound them with a .22 (I prefer the .22 magnum rifle) and they'll thin out over time.

    You need to investigate how to keep the cursed law off you. Hopefully the government of Australia will be crushed. The world depression that is coming could cause countries to not be able to fund the police and then people can take care of themselves (plus "take care" the scummy people who ruin everything good in life).
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      I DID go out in my vehicle, Gold Geezer. As mentioned, it was lucky pup was in the car and I was able to run for my life and leap in the back seat the the pup, otherwise I think we would have both been mauled to death.
       
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  17. randyt

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    no jest, one at a time from a sniper hide until they are gone, to me if I'm rendered nearly defenseless by my government, I see it as a long game.. Not what I would want to do but I have other options where I live. I see that safer than wading in with a club or spear.
     
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  18. Old Geezer

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    Holy crap, the photo of that house looked just like something you'd see in my neck of the woods!

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      Hahahahaha! Yes, it did, didn't it?

      Not ideal I'll admit but for the price, not bad either with 300 acres. I'm still looking though.
       
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      Interesting videos Gold Geezer. I like the way the farmer said some trappers are glad to retire as they feel the dog's behaviour has changed and they are now stalking them.
       
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  22. Old Geezer

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    In the state of Georgia an older couple, animal lovers, were killed by a pack of wild dogs.



    Members of the Humane Society there in Georgia said that you are more likely to get killed by lightning. I hope these bleeding hearts all get burned to death by lightning or disemboweled by wild dogs. I want these bleeding hearts to live in blind terror and die horribly.
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      Thanks for that cheery video Gold Geezer. I was contemplating going into the forest with pup this arv to get some kindling but have now changed my mind ...
       
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  23. Blitz

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    I jest not, Gold Geezer. You aren't even allowed to carry a knife in a public place in NSW. If you do, you have to have a "reasonable excuse". It is not deemed a "reasonable excuse" however, to carry one for the purpose of self defence or for the defence of another person. The onus is on you to prove the "reasonable excuse". The penalty is a 2 year gaol term and/or $2,000 fine.
     
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  24. Dalewick

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    Blitz, If your not interested in primitive traps I have another suggestion. Buy the highest dose of vitamin D2 and grind into a powder. Mix with dog food and some fat. This is a poison, DO NOT BREATH IN THE DUST!!! It will poison humans just as fast. Alternate (I don't care for this one) is mix glass powder into the food. This makes the animal bleed out internally. It is an ugly way. Won't the local wildlife agency do anything about the dogs if they have it regulated so you can't? Do you have any government certified trappers in your area. I know the do fox and cat removal in AU and I thought they did dogs also.

    Dale
     
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  25. Blitz

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    Thanks for the suggestions Dale. Yes, they do have specific dog baiting in the area but not in this particular area. The problem is, I go into areas that aren't baited with my pup so he can run free and not have to worry about people, livestock or other dogs (as in pet dogs). I have to avoid baited areas lest my pup gets poisoned. So now it's a catch 22 situation. I can't take pup into areas that are baited and I now can't take him safely into other areas that aren't baited. So I'm basically screwed. No more fun in the bush :(
     
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  26. Blitz

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    I wonder if a fire would keep them away?
     
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      Most feral dogs do not fear fire. We breed it out of them.
       
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  27. TexDanm

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    A bic lighter and all sorts of spray can make a most interesting flame thrower. The wasp spray that I have is a two-way weapon fire and irritant. I doubt that you can have them either but there are several fireworks that are pretty good for this sort of thing. A shepherd's staff is long enough and heavy enough to be effective for keeping dogs off of you.
     
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      That's another great idea. I remember my husband using a bic and deodorant spray to make a flame thrower.

      Fireworks are illegal here, unless you have a permit. A staff is a good idea. I've put an old baseball bat that my husband's father had in the car but I don't think it's long enough to be effective.
       
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  28. Old Geezer

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    I always side with TexDanm. However, a Shepard's staff will NOT protect you. I've seen dogs in turbo death mode. I've been climbed by dogs. I've been bitten through my hands. I buy buckshot for the purpose of killing dogs. If it is wild, kill it.

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  29. Blitz

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    Eeeeeeewwwwwww ... nasty! That's put me off even more!
     
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  30. Old Geezer

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    Please please please Blitz, don't get yourself mauled by these huge wild dogs.

    I believe that you would be well within your rights to kill feral dogs. If you have to lure them out of national forest to kill them, do so. Better were it your kin or a sport hunter to do so.

    If keeping yourself alive isn't "genuine reason" to use a firearm, I don't know what is. (Again, I curse the Aussie leftist government to annihilation and the ostensible do-gooders -- actually they're a bunch of anti-God collectivists -- to an eternity separated from God's Mercy, may they be lost in darkness).

    We're NOT talking dingoes here, these dogs that attacked you are huge domestic dogs gone feral, i.e. fair game for annihilation. Let hunters or kin wipe these things out. Stay out'a the woods until these things are dead and gone. I can't bear the though of good people like you being attacked by such satanic creatures.

    Rest. Be at peace. Ask for help from those who'd love nothing better than killing these beasts.
     
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  31. Blitz

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    Unfortunately Gold Geezer, these blighters aren't going to suddenly disappear. Unless the State Forest authorities pay hunters to kill them (which isn't going to happen), I'm just going to have to deal with it. I refuse to let them stop me from enjoying going into the forest. I will ring the State Forest though and put in a complaint, in the hope that they actually do something. It's pup I'm more worried about. He loves to run about in the forest. If he came across them and wasn't contained in the car, he would be mauled to death for sure. He would go in for the attack, hopelessly inadequate to defend himself. When we were in the forest and I secured him to his rope in the car, when I stopped further up to close the tailgate, he leapt out of the car, strangling himself in the process. So I have no doubt he'd try to defend himself and me and end up getting killed for his trouble.
     
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  32. Blitz

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    What gets me is how they just suddenly "appear" out of nowhere. It was very creepy. Son was sure they followed me home, though I'm not too sure on that theory. Haven't had any further howling or anything to upset pup at home since that day. He goes off if there's even a sniff of another animal on the property - usually wallabies that come up for a feed. Son let off quite a few rounds towards the barking in the evening in question though. Don't know if that would have scared them away.
     
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    i can not explain how dangerous these bastards are, you WILL need to get a trapper in or someone with a gun , they will attack no questions about it ,most of these are trained for pig chasing and they have been lost and left by there owners , ive hunted these with a mate at glouster and hanging rock at nundle ,you think your hunting but they are hunting you long before, please dont go out by yourself they will attack you , sorry to scare you but its true,cheers jas
     
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      Okay, thanks Jas. Good to hear from a local who knows the layout. I'll take your advice. I'm not a spring chicken and it was only good timing that I managed to escape their clutches. They were extremely persistent and had no fear whatsoever. Not something I relish repeating as next time I might not be so lucky. No doubt they can tell I'm not in my prime and therefore easy pickings. And the pup is no match. Couldn't believe the size of these mongrels, nor the sheer audacity in their behaviour.
       
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  34. Morgan101

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    That is scary stuff. Lots of good suggestions here. My first thought was bear spray or wasp spray. I have no idea how it would work on a pack of dogs, especially if they are as large as you say.

    My only other suggestion would be to not go alone. If you were with another person you might be able to watch each other's back. I too am surprised the local authorities have not done anything about such a dangerous threat.
     
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      The State Forest behind my property is massive. The tracks that I go on haven't been used for a very long time and are very overgrown. I had to forge another track onto the track I was on when we were attacked by the dogs as it was completely inaccessible after the bushfires. Even before the bushfires, the so called "fire trails" were inaccessable due to overgrowth. I asked a local (showing him the tracks on a topo map) where one particular track lead to as it dead ended on the map and I wondered if it now continued on to the river and he said that the tracks in the area were old logging tracks and not used anymore. So basically, no-one uses the tracks in that area so they wouldn't be aware of any wild dogs in that particular area. I always pick out tracks that are remote and difficult to get to, to avoid any contact with others. Not such a bright move, as it now turns out.
       
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  35. Rebecca

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    Blitz, may I clarify just for my information, when you say wild dogs are we discussing the domesticated canine such as rottweilers, dobermans etc that have gone fully feral and are now living completely independent of humans? And threatening humans.

    Or is this more like the Dingo or African wild dog?
     
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  36. Blitz

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    Hey Rebecca - yes, that's correct - domesticated canines such as rottweilers, dobermans, etc, that have gone feral. There are dingos in the area as well though. When I first moved here, the previous owner sent a photo to my phone of a couple of dingos down at the dam. But the ones which went on the attack were definitely NOT dingos. They were much larger and looked more like dogs that were mongrel/mixed breeds.
     
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  37. lonewolf

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    we don't have wild dogs in Britain, we have a few loose dogs in some places, mostly housing estates in some of the big cities, but what we do have is some people who haven't got a clue about how to control a dog and how to act around one.
     
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  38. Sourdough

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    It is very hushed-up here, but domestic dogs (especially in the remote native villages) maul and sometime kill children, with surprising regularity. As I say, it get a brief mention on news, then quickly suppressed. These are not feral dogs, or wild dogs, or special breeds for attack/defense. They are just plain village dogs. In theory they belong to someone, but they are allowed to run free in the village.
     
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  39. Old Geezer

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    --------------------------Super advice!--------------------------

    These things didn't just LET you go home. You lucked up or this is an instance of Divide Intervention and quite frankly that just doesn't happen in this world soooo far away from anything Divine in nature. You should play the lottery right now while your Karma overfloweth.

    Listen to Howler! Howler knows these things!

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      Hahahahaha! I used to love Lost in Space as a child!
       
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  40. TexDanm

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    Feral dogs are actually more of a threat than wild canids. Wild animals over thousands of years learned to avoid people because we killed them if they made a problem of themselves. Domestic animals have no instinctive fear of humans and if anything has a vague ancestral memory of food being associated with the human form.

    The shepherds crook that I have is over 6"/2 meters long and a little heavier than a normal walking stick. I put a point on it and then made a rubber cover for it so that it is not slippery on the pavement. I didn't do it as a protective purpose as much as to allow me to stick it in the ground for better support on hard ground. That said I might think about putting a 6-inch spike on it for dog protection.

    We have a lot of dogs thrown out in the rural areas by lowlifes that are either too cheap or too worthless to take care of their own problem animals. Here it is simple. You kill them. We usually use a deer rifle with a scope and do it from a safe distance. We have a rabies problem here so stray dogs offer more than just the normal threat. Also dogs are NOT wolves. They have had most of the instincts that a wolf has bred out of them. A wolf eats all sorts of things that keep them healthy. Dogs just don't know to or how to do this. For many of these dogs throwing them out to fend for themselves is the cruelest thing that you can imagine. The will get worms and literally will be eaten alive from the inside out. Often when we kill these poor mutts their mouths are snow white. They are so anemic from worms that they are just about walking dead.

    Blitz, because you live someplace where humans are by law no longer at the top of the food chain this is a problem that is only going to get worse. Guns are tools and at this time they are the best tools for dealing with such as this. BUT just because you are denied that tool shouldn't mean that you have to be helpless. People lived for hundreds of thousands of years with worse than feral dogs to live with long before guns. It isn't my nature to hide from my fears so were I in your position I would go primitive and deal with this. There ARE weapons other than guns out there. If nothing else mount a big kitchen knife on a stout long stick. I would have that even if the dogs were not a problem You have a LOT of SNAKES.

    Feral dogs don't hunt in a coordinated way like a wolf pack. First off running is DANGEROUS. they will chase you if you run and will drag you down. Back up to a big tree so your back is covered and face them off. They don't know how to deal with you and after you hurt one or two they get nervous. Your biggest problem is your dog. If it is running loose they will attack it and it will run to you bringing the problem to you.

    About the pictures of the kid's faces... Those kids were not really attacked nor were they really bit. What happens is that dogs when they fight it is more like a fencing or swords fight than a boxing match. A dog defends himself from another dog by meeting their wide-open mouth with theirs. This is also used for disciplining unruly pups. They bang their open mouth in the face of the pup to both punish and teach them how to fight. If a dog had attacked those kids with the intent to kill or truly harm them it would have closed its jaws and torn their faceoff. They would also have deep bites on their arms and legs.

    A dog bite has a lot of power they grab and hold on and shake their heads like a white shark. They also go for the arms and legs. When you see a kid that got "bit" in the face what actually happened in dog language is the kid did something and the dogs slapped him. This is just the nature of the beast. If you don't teach the dog that even though they are small they are nonetheless masters they will treat them like a puppy. Unfortunately our skin is more delicate than dogs. Little kids that are not taught how to act around dogs are at risk. they will run up to a strange dog and treat it like a stuffed toy and pull its ears and not catch on with the dog warns them. The dog hits them in the face and you have a dog that now has a problem and a kid that is traumatized often for life.
     
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      You make a good point regarding people having lived for thousands of years with worse than dogs before guns came on the scene. My son suggested only going to places that are open and not bush (there was a place we went to with a massive water course that was very open). However, it's a fair way away from my home, which is one of the reasons I like going to the forest, as it's only a few clicks away. I'm going to fashion something to keep in the car, a long, sturdy stick with some sort of metal spike or knife sounds logical.

      I'm really annoyed as there is a lot of good wood to chainsaw in the forest. Do you think it would be safe and put them off if I was chainsawing? The noise is pretty loud.

      Yes, I know you shouldn't run away from them as they will chase. But at the time, that was my only option as I had absolutely nothing on hand to defend myself. If I was initially further away from the car, that would have been a different story. Not sure what I would have done then.
       
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  41. watcherchris

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    Hunting dogs around here often go lost and become feral and join up in packs. They are known to stalk/hunt deer in packs...meaning they can move quickly and quietly when hunting...learned behavior...for survival.

    Such dogs would make no differentiation between humans and any other kind of prey...particularly when hunger drives them.
    And particularly if they are not afraid of humans....
    Texdanm's point/points are good ones...

    Coyotes around here are becoming more plentiful as well.

    As the suburbs expand out more into the country side I expect to hear more dog and coyote stories about interactions with humans...particularly human children and pets....the most vulnerable...Be Warned.

    Very similar to out in the Everglades wherein the suburbs are expanding out in to the swamp areas....and the local wildlife including alligators...




    Had cookout lunch at my lady friend's son's house in Surry this weekend.

    We went to his 175 yard shooting range afterward's and I shot my Henry .357 Magnum lever Carbine at 75 and 100 yards using the iron sights. Ok at 75 but my aging eyesight is not as good at 100. Having problems seeing the front sight clearly...blurry. Thinking I need optics or perhaps a red dot.


    Reloaded 50 rounds of .357 Magnum today and after cleaning my Henry Lever Rifle.
    Coated the rifle inside and out with a light thin coat of silicon O Ring grease as a moisture barrier. Put it back in the zip up case ready to go.

    25 rounds reloaded with 158 grain Hornady XTP hollow points and 25 more rounds with Wide Flat nosed gas check bullets at a heavy 180 grain cast bullet. This is a heavy bullet in .357 Caliber but capable of delivering a lot of energy close up....rainbow trajectory at any distance..but a heavy hitter close up.

    I use a similar cast wide flat nosed gas check bullet in reloading for my .41 Magnum...but heavier at 250 grain weight.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris.
     
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    You sure are right about their being few feral dogs about in England. I looked it up and you guys have less than 4 people per year killed by these things. Plus, these are likely isolated and near or in homes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

    50,000 stray dogs in Detroit; estimate from 2013
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/blogs/si...ing-city-officials-overwhelmed-220610479.html

    Physician killed in Georgia, USA
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/police-say-georgia-doctor-was-killed-by-a-pack-of-wild-dogs/

    Seems Moscow has no shortage of stray dogs and flaky weak people who don't want them hurt. Numbers are around 30K stray dogs in Moscow alone.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ray-animals-kills-rats-over-coronavirus-fears

    So, who rules the streets?


    Can't find "wild dog pack" information on the web, here in the USA. The Left is cleansing the web, rewriting history and renaming "politically-incorrect" terms. Wiki is now calling wild dogs "free-range" dogs. All part of Civil War II here in Amerika.
     
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    Out California way, some "nice" lady fed some nice little coyotes. The cute coyotes ended up killing a little girl. Animal rights psychos blamed the parents. They said that the parents killed their child and blamed the murder on the coyotes.

    Here, Wikipedia gives the animal rights crazies a voice. However Wiki is forced to admit that people get attacked by coyotes. In all MSM outlets, the terminally neurotic "new world order" folk get to spew their demented beliefs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Keen_coyote_attack

    The psycho-babble begins under the section: "Accusations by animal rights activists"
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    Thanks Dale.

    I rang the relevant authority who deals with State Forests. Apparently, wild dogs are extremely prolific in this area after the bushfires. They love the ash environment and prey on the animals left who are very vulnerable. (I'm presuming they like the ash environment as there are no nasty weeds after the fires). The woman said there was a wild dog attack 2 weeks ago - not in this particular forest but in a forest in the area. They did have this area marked for aerial baiting which was due to commence this week but had to pull out because of the farmers in the area. After the bushfires, a lot of fences have been damaged which means stock wanders into the forest and farmers are worried about their dogs being exposed. I asked whether they use shooters and she said they do not. They sometimes use cages and trap them when they can't bait.

    So not sure what will happen from here. She said she'd let me know if and when they bait in the area. In the meantime, guess I'll just have to be very careful.
     
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      Can you own bull/cattle prods? They are high enough voltage that at close range it would put a dog down. And you can get them with different length rods. Kind of like a taser for animals. Weapon of last resort.
      Does the local paper know that wild dogs are endangering people? Media is a pain, but they can be used if manipulated correctly.
       
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    Was this an attack on farm animals?

    I've read that some sheep Agr. businesses/farms have gone bankrupt due to wild dog predation.
     
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      No, it was an attack on a person who was in a State Forest. She didn't know the details. All she said was that a person was attacked by some wild dogs 2 weeks ago.
       
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    Yes, as far as I know we can have cattle prods. I rang the agriculture shop in town and the cheapest ones they sell are $160, which is way out of my price range, unfortunately.

    What are you thinking re the media?
     
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    Talk to a reporter. Let them know what happened and play up the fear and emotional side of the story. Talk about how it's now unsafe to even use state land due to this danger. Go on about how you fear for your dog and worry that others may be attacked. Including possibly children. Tell her that a state representative informed you that someone else had been attacked. Most reporters will jump on a human health and safety story.

    Such stories usually result in many phone call and correspondence to government agencies responsible and the politicians involved. Apply enough heat and the will do something.

    A call to your areas representative wouldn't be a bad idea either. before talking to the media. Tell them most of what you told us.

    Dale
     
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    Thanks Dale, good idea. I'll make some phone calls tomorrow.

    I went into town late afternoon with pup. We stopped at our usual "toilet stop" in a bush area that you drive down off the road that goes down to a creek so pup could do his business. After the near miss encounter the other day, I was quite on edge, to say the least. I'm definitely going to have to get something that I can have with me when out of the car. I was constantly looking around for dogs but the baseball bat was in the car. Not much use when a distance from the vehicle whilst pup was walking around finding a good toilet spot should any wild dogs appear out of nowhere and far too unwieldy to carry around with me whilst also keeping pup on a long line.

    Those bloody dogs have completely ruined my fun.
     
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      Gotta be able to take defense weapon with you. Bear spray: So, you can't get it delivered to rural location. Could you get a few HUGE (largest you can find, size of small kitchen fire-extinguisher) delivered to a person or store in town, then go obtain the cans and bring them back home. You could purchase or rig can holders (holsters, some come with their own holster) that attach to your belt or attach to your pants at the upper leg level. The spray must be instantly accessible. Again, the bear spray must be in a high pressure fogger form that throws a cone of repellent out 5 meters.
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