American Politics

Discussion in 'News, Current Events, and Politics' started by Blitz, Jan 12, 2020.

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  1. Blitz

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    I'm going to sound exceptionally ignorant, to which I apologise.

    I've been reading a few posts about the possibility of a war in America, but I confess, I don't understand the background to it.

    Would someone be able to give me a bit of information regarding your politics and why some people believe there may be a war, and why?

    Be gentle with me though, politics isn't my forte. :)
     
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  2. Caribou

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    Right now the country is divided. The left (socialists/democrats) have had a good run at overthrowing the Constitution but people are waking up as evidenced by President Trumps election. The worry is that as the left sees America move away from socialism that they might decide that this is the time to resort to violence.

    Please understand that your question would require a book to answer properly so I have oversimplified the answer in the extreme.
     
  3. TMT Tactical

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    Liberal /Socialist want complete control of government and the citizens. To control the people they need to disarm the people. Conservative / Moderates believe and support the constitution and are willing to fight for their constitutional rights. There lies the motivation for a possible future constitutional war. Like stated by Caribou, this example is very simplified but it is the driving force, freedom vs. socialist control.
     
  4. Blitz

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    Thanks Caribou. It will take me a while to thing about and digest. I'm also doing a bit of my own research, so I'll probably ask further questions in a "dribble" fashion.

    To start with though: So Trump is a Democrat, is that right? Hasn't he changed his affiliation to various parties several times? How does that work?

    Edit: Sorry I've just realised that Trump is a Republican, not a Democrat. But he was affiliated with the Democrats.
     
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    So are socialist/liberals democrats? I'm going to have to read up all the various parties. Very complicated.
     
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    Left= socialist, communist, democrat, NAZI, KKK, liberal
    The left is for strong governmental control. The reason the left is for gun control is that you can't overwhelm an armed populace. The right is for little governmental control. Anarchy is the extreme right-wing of the political spectrum.
     
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  7. Blitz

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    Thanks.

    Yep ... disarm the populace. That's pretty much what happened here. So you're well and truly rooted when you get overrun. Great idea (NOT).
     
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    In the 20th century leftist nations disarmed their people and murdered over 100 million of their own populace. The true number is likely at least twice that. Mao, Plow Pot, and Stalin lead the list though there are others. The left tends to get violent when they don't get their way.
     
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  9. TMT Tactical

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    Yes American Socialist are Liberals --- mostly Democrats, also some are independents. Almost all the socialist Democrat politicians are trying to buy votes with tax payer money === "Free Lunch" style freebies. Buy the votes and then disarm the population. Once that happens, they will start to rewrite / interpret the constitutions. So they can form a more perfect Socialist government and start the final slide into a Dictatorship.

    Perfect example is Virginia State. The socialist Democrats now have a complete political control --- State House of Representatives, State Senate and the Governor --- all are under democratic control. The 2020 session is now being sworn in and there are already about 20 new anti-gun control laws proposed and all will pass. Over 90% percent of the counties in Virginia have declared themselves to be 2nd. Amendment Sanctuary counties and will refuse to enforce these new unconstitutional laws. One group trying to disarm the entire state and over 90% of the counties refusing to be disarmed. This is just part of the reasons for the "WAR" talk.
     
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  10. F22 Simpilot

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    Here it is in simple terms and what I was taught in high school civics. The left which encompass the Democrat party are more for having the government help the people and in turn raise the taxes to do so. They believe in a trickle up philosophy by giving more money to the government you get more out of the government. In a nutshell, the left/Democrats are a tax and spend political party.


    While on the right, the Republicans want lower taxes and less government intrusion. Their philosophy is about fostering the economy with less taxing and letting the market grow unimpeded. They don't believe in trick up they believe in trickle down. Meaning less taxes and less red tape and allow the economy to flourish.

    Now right now in the state of Virginia the Democrats want to abridge your 2nd amendment Constitutional right to bear arms. So if you may have heard about another American civil war or revolutionary war so to speak, it may be due to that. Plus, as was noted the country is divided, but I think that may be changing for the better seen as how it seem the Demonuts are on a day by day basis shooting themselves in the foot over the Russia/Ukrainian hoax and impeachment for nonsensical shit. They wanted the President impeached the moment he won the election. They never even wanted the electoral college to vote for him. We live in a democratic republic so you vote for the President and in turn the electoral college is suppose to vote the way you voted. All about checks and balances and stuff.
     
  11. Blitz

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    Crikey, that sounds scary. What are the 20 new anti-gun control laws? I don't expect you to list them all, but perhaps in a nutshell. Alternatively, I'll google and see if I can find some info.

    Thanks for the post. Very interesting.
     
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  12. Blitz

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    Starting to make sense now. Thanks for the clear explanation.
     
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  13. watcherchris

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    Blitz,

    Someone out here not wanting to be seen or known is slowly attempting to change America by splitting the American people into two opposing camps.

    One ...that more government is the solution to everything. If we just get enough highly educated intellectuals in public office things will be better. In the mean time...we are to follow Hollywood actors, actresses and producers as these people know what is best for us.....much more than do we....for ourselves. Hollywood is more fit to lead this country than normal everyday Americans.
    This will mean more taxes and less liberty and freedom for most Americans,,with the exception of Hollywood and Washington DC.
    People need to be properly "herded" into various government programs....Politically Correct programs for the good of the state.....for "The State is god" as GFW Hegel said.
    Even if this means giving up your liberties and freedoms. No individual thinking or actions outside of the herd allowed.
    The perfect PC ant farm/bee hive.
    This is internationalism...deep statism.
    And they intend to do this on the public purse if it means bankrupting America by putting the whole world on our financial and material breast.


    2...this other camp believes in individual liberty, freedom and responsibility for ones actions. They do not believe that government belongs in their business and do not like government attempts to constantly "herd" them into supporting another government social program to buy votes to keep more government in power.

    This group believes, as did the Founders, that the best government one can have is the least government one can have.

    This group also believes that we do not need to be carrying the rest of the world on our breast....financially or materially.

    Trade yes but welfare no.

    This group believes that Americans themselves can better decide what to do with their time , monies, and goods than can government.

    This group also believes that if Americans cannot be trusted to be armed....eventually...if not already.... Americans will not be trusted to be armed with their vote.

    Brexit is a textbook example of this kind of government/ deep state distrust of people and their vote.


    And here in America we have those in opposition to the American way and for internationalism/deep stateism trying to flood the states with illegal aliens and put them on the public breast and then onto the voting rolls to steer elections.

    This meaning Americans cannot be trusted to vote as needed by the deep state internationalists.

    This also meaning that Americans cannot also be trusted to be armed. And I mean mentally and spiritually with true historical information as well as physically armed.

    Americans who know....do not want their liberties and freedoms to be "herded" by anyone or anything and want to be left alone.

    And many of these Americans are coming to understand that someone out here believes that America and it's people are their private sovereign fiefdom and that a usurper took it from them in 2016. They intend to take it back from this usurper and his supporters...by any means.



    Internationalism/leftist socialism/communism means turning the American people into subjects and not citizens.

    Subjects with privileges granted by the sovereign and not from God.

    Internationalism/socialism/communism is not "Limited Government...but instead Unlimited Government.
    Ishmaelites run wild.


    And these are the basics of the two camps or divisions taking place in America and people coming awake to what is going on out here.


    Thanks,

    Watcherchris

    Not an Ishmaelite
     
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  14. Blitz

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    Great post, thanks Watcherchris.

    I'm now getting a good understanding of what's going on, the division between the country.

    How likely is another civil war in the near future? Further, how will it transpire? In the sense of how or where is the country divided? Is it a South/North situation like the Civil War in the 1800's? Or is it more complex and scattered?
     
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    Here is a brief video that will / can help get you started in what is happening in the state of Virginia.

     
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    Brilliant, thanks.
     
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  17. Caribou

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    Good question. The question of CW2 is clearly undecided but quite possible. I don't se a North V. South but rather a generalised war zone throughout the country with certain areas leaning one way. the big cities likely will go liberal and the rural will lean conservative. Of course, this is a wild guess at this point.
     
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  18. F22 Simpilot

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    Just think. If a civil war comes to past then Trump may declare martial law. Which makes him a three term President. LMAO!
     
  19. Pragmatist

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    Good morning F22,

    A technicality; At the end of the Cold War, circa 1989, "martial law" was, in effect, phased out for the use of substitutes such as Presidential emergency declarations. It was learned after the Vietnam War that US society can't be run by the military. A civilian team of emergency field engineers to repair a civilian airport, for example, is more important than a military unit.

    I believe that besides the President there are 5 or 6 cabinet secretaries who can directly declare a national emergency, eg the Secretary of Agriculture and the Secretary of Transportation.
     
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  20. F22 Simpilot

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    I see. Thanks.
     
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    At the end of that video she says that the NRA remains silent. WTF is that?
     
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  22. TMT Tactical

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    The NRA was very slow to get involved. Very late to the party.
     
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  23. F22 Simpilot

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    Another thing that is pissing off a lot of Americans is this impeachment BS. If that passes the Senate for some reason there will be riots like no other.
     
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  24. Blitz

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    I noticed in the paper they're started proceedings. What do you think the outcome will be?
     
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  25. poltiregist

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    This will be entertaining as we see a fair trial reveal more democrat corruption . The ringing of the death bell for the democrats will soon be heard . The democrat hatred has turned their thinking process into jelly . Exactly the opposite a combat soldier should be " cold calm and calculated " . The democrats have hysterically made a fatal mistake .
     
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  26. F22 Simpilot

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    Since the Senate is R controlled I'm assuming a good outcome for the President, but there is a little bit of doubt. If the President finds himself impeached over nothing then there is going to be a major amount of backlash by the populace. I assure that. Trump hasn't done anything to get impeached and this is nothing more then a god damn shit and pony show. The D's think he's capital evil or some stupid shit. Pelosi with her personalized pens can fuck off and be hung by the people!

    So yeah, that's what I think. Never mind the fact from the get go that he was elected they never even wanted the electoral college to vote for him superseding the people's vote.
     
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  27. F22 Simpilot

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    A President of the U.S gets impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors. Not even Clinton was impeached by the Senate. Now I don't agree with Clinton, or his BS and his Mafia-like antics and body count. But on the premise of lying under oath that was small fry crap to impeachment. Now if they found the evidence with Vince Foster or all the woman he probably raped, then yeah, impeach the bastard. He will soon though, right to hell. Along with his wife.
     
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  28. Caribou

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    President Trump has been impeached. Impeachment is the sole province of the House. The articles of impeachment have now been sent to the Senate where a trial is being held. Two-Thirds (67) of the senators need to find him guilty and then sentence him. This is highly unlikely.

    Clinton was exonerated due to the inability to get the requisite 2/3 vote.
     
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  29. Blitz

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    How long does an impeachment trial usually go for? Bet that's costing the tax payers heaps.

    Has a President ever been found guilty via impeachment?

    I don't know. Trump is extremely unpopular. I wouldn't be surprised if they find some way of "hanging" him. I think a lot of people have wanted him out since he got into office.
     
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  30. poltiregist

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    We used to have another member to this forum that resided in Australia that thought the same thing . In most of the big cites in the U.S. your belief may be true . In the rural areas he is thought of as one of the best if not the best president this country has ever had . What non U.S. citizens are being feed is anti Trump propaganda by corrupt news agencies . This propaganda is also being feed to U.S. citizens by the same news agencies but fortunately more and more people are waking up to the fact that they are being feed garbage . If you can look at how many people are attending Trump rallies , filling up the largest buildings he can find and even having thousands that can not get inside because the buildings are packed . Twenty five to thirty thousand people regularly attend his rallies . The Democrat presidential hopefuls on the other hand consider it a good crowd if they can get three hundred to come listen to what they have to say .
     
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  31. Blitz

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    Interesting.

    I'm not against Trump myself, though if you mention his name here, most people think he's an idiot. I actually don't know one person other than my deceased husband who likes Trump.

    Whether right or wrong, he gets a lot of bad publicity here. The rallies you mention are interesting. The only publicity I've seen here is when he had a bad turn out for some political event (I can't remember what it was). The news reporter kept banging on about how his numbers were the lowest in American history (at this particular event). I'm trying to think what the event was, but it escapes me. If I think of it, I'll come back and edit this post.
     
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  32. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Blitz,

    Who / what organizations generate publicity ? Knowing this explains much. These "media" organizations are antagonistic toward Trump because he is disestablishing the welfare state.

    Besides rural Americans supporting Trump, as mentioned above by Poltiregist, the US financial markets support him also. "Financial markets" translates to those with $$$$$$. The Trump opposition has announced platform plans to transfer wealth from A to B. You know the rest.
     
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  33. lonewolf

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    Its bad enough some times trying to understand the things British politicians say and do, never mind the American brand of politics.
     
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  34. Caribou

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    I don't know if it is the same event but there was similar reporting here. Turns out that the pictures were taken hours before the event started. The 25,000 to 35,000 stated earlier are the numbers inside the venue. That doesn't count the tens of thousands outside that couldn't get a seat. He has excellent numbers and those are from pollsters that hate Trump so his numbers are even better. Unemployment is at all time lows and the economy is fantastic. That is why he is being impeached. He has proven their way doesn't work and impeachment is the only arrow left in their quiver.

    No president has ever been removed from office though one did resign before impeachment. The talking heads say this time the trial should last from 2 to 6 weeks. President Trump is very popular but there are many that hate him.
     
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  35. Blitz

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    I'm really annoyed that I can't remember what the event was. The news showed a gathering of people outside, saying how low the numbers were. It was a "big" event whatever it was.

    It will be interesting to see what happens with the impeachment trial.
     
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    I've just remembered ... it wasn't a political rally, it was Trump's inauguration. They compared photos between his and Obama's inauguration. A fair while ago now I guess, but I remember the stark difference that was portrayed in the news, basically insinuating how unpopular Trump was in comparison with Obama.
     
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    A lot of the democrats pouted and refused to go to President Trump's inauguration. Too bad for them but no loss for us.
     
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  38. F22 Simpilot

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    I don't think so. Only with the left. Don't read the bullshit media.
     
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  39. F22 Simpilot

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    I can watch this over and over again.



     
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  40. Blitz

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    In the media here at least, I don't think I've heard a good word about him which leads to the assumption that he's very unpopular.
     
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  41. Caribou

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    In the mainstream media here the Trump news is 94% negative. Furthermore, they don't publish most of his many accomplishments or when they do they publish in a negative manner. The press is actively campaigning against him. Because of that, "Gilligan's Island" reruns have more viewers than CNN.
     
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  42. F22 Simpilot

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    And I have to tell you that "assumption is the mother of all F-ups." Never assume anything. Always do your research and then some.
     
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  43. TexDanm

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    Most of the American media is about as factual and unbiased as Pravda the Russian news agency. If he WAS actually unliked by the American voters he would not have been elected AND the Democrats would not be trying so hard to impeach him. They are doing that because they KNOW that is the only way to keep him from being elected to a second term. It liberal Democrats are trying to take the control of who is allowed to lead our country out of the hands of the American voter. They are treading close to a treasonous coup attempt. The media is little more than a propaganda agency controlled by the liberal left with a few exceptions that are about the same but controlled by the conservative right. At this time Trump is almost a certain winner in the next election unless the Democrats pull their heads out of their butts and move away from their socialist agenda. Even the old school yellow dog Democrats are moving away from them. The next election is going to be decided more by who doesn't vote than who does. If they put up another wild left crazy liberal the conservatives are going to get out and vote while the old line Democrats will stay at home. The minority vote isn't enough at this time to carry the Democratic party. That is why they are working so hard to import some more people to put on welfare and vote Democrat.
     
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  44. Pragmatist

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    Yellow Dog Democrat: A voter who would even vote for a yellow dog if a Democrat or even a crooked or gangster Democrat but never a Republican. This term developed in late 19th century. Recently there's been a realignment.

    Good afternoon TexDanm,

    Just had to add the above definition. I'm sure many because of age bracket or not in US wouldn't be familiar.
     
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    LOL, Thanks I hadn't thought about people not knowing what that means. The thing is that the Democratic party has abandoned its roots. My Granny was the Chairperson of the Democratic party in here county but I assure you that there is no way that she would have voted for a socialist. FDR was a little too far to the left for her. Today's Democrat has very little to do with what they were 50 years ago. They used to be sort of the working man's party. Now they want to shut down our industry with crippling taxes and throw open the borders to every thug, terrorist or lazy bum that wants to come and TAKE what our forefathers worked, fought and died for.
     
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  46. Duncan

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    Blitz, I feel it incumbent upon myself to tell you that I am probably the only forum member here considered a "liberal" or "progressive" by the rest of my colleagues here; indeed, there are several people who consider me a "communist" in that they equate liberalism with communism -- an equation with which I vehemently disagree.

    Although a staunch defender of our 2nd Amendment rights, I realize that there will be increasing controls on citizens' access to and use of firearms over the next ten years. This is a bad thing, but it is what it is; although I don't believe that -- fears to the contrary -- the "Gummint" is going to take our guns away.

    Similarly, I do not like the idea of giving up my right to choose my insurer, but I also see the United States moving to a single-payer (read: "the Gummint") form of medical insurance. Our system of healthcare is broken beyond repair, and, despite the well-known problems with your insurance scheme, it works and ours doesn't. We're going to Canadianize our system, and within a decade or so, it will seem as American as Mom, apple pie, and Social Security!

    Any definition of "liberal", "conservative", "socialist", "fascist", "patriot", or "traitor" tells you more about the person's own agenda and biases. My personal definition of the various factions competing for your vote, money, and eardrums are, of course, just my opinion; but I see three groups presently in the news.
    • Leftists, epitomized by people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who believe in a massively expanded government providing education, medical care, insurance, etc., as well as more stringent controls on firearms are considered "radical democrats" by many mainstream Americans and "mainstream Canadians" by Canadians.
    • Moderates, epitomized by politicians like Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, and Mitt Romney, are what both the mainstream "Republicans" and "Democrats" of the 1960's were considered, before the country was almost torn apart by losing the Vietnam War. There aren't many of those folks left in power, although they probably make up almost half of America's electorate.
    • Populists, usually referring to themselves as "patriots" or "conservatives" are completely different from the conservatives as delineated by William Buckley ("God and Man at Yale" published in 1951) and Barry Goldwater ("The Conscience of a Conservative" published in 1960). Typically (but not always) populists agree with an anti-immigrant, gun rights, evangelical Christianity, nativist approach to both government and life, and are epitomized by Donald Trump (who is not really a populist but finds the cognomen useful), his MAGA supporters, and the bulk of formerly "Republican"politicians, such as Mitch McConnell.
    The Republic has survived much, including your people (!) coming along and burning our White House to the ground. We are in a bind now, with a polarized electorate and culture, but, although Trump will likely earn a second four-year term, the pendulum will swing the other way ...

    ... as it always will, and we will be complaining about President whats-her-face just like we do now.
     
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  47. Caribou

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    Duncan, my wife doesn't like it when I refer to her as a communist either but when she votes for them I don't know what she expects people to think.

    I hope your predictions are wrong about the next ten years but that possibility is part of why I prep. My folks said they were glad to be born when they were so as not to have to live through what you suggest. Dad is gone now and Mom repeated the sentiment recently. Sorry to hear about your politics my friend. I pray this doesn't come down to the Blue and the Grey.
     
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  48. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Duncan,

    I am one of your colleagues and do not label you a "liberal" or "progressive". All these terms are fluid and not clearly defined. In olden times Barry Goldwater supported abortion and today his book title would be censored.

    You are an American within the spectrum.

    Most here at forum and most Americans have not dealt with Communists. It's a term like "quantum mechanics". Some young Americans now have dealt with fascists who use Islam as their political vehicle.

    Again, I avoid the labels and look at the fact patterns. Do we use the life boats for firewood ?

    The US national complexion has changed. 50% of adults under 38 yo told a Harris poll last year that they would "prefer living in a socialist country". At the national level, our 2 fastest growing "religions" are Astrology and Wicca. The Methodist church is splitting.

    The US can also change more than once just like our history shows. When Tavarish Bernie's post-boomer academic socialists learn that it takes more than 1 insurance policy for a person's Medicare to work, there will be few slow learners remaining in the pile.
     
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  49. Ystranc

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    It's a bit of a shame really, the term politics was created to describe a means of governing a city or state, I think it was probably Ancient Greek. These days politics has become a dirty word describing underhand dealings, betrayal and backbiting.
    The problem with politics in the US at the moment is that Republicans and Democrats are diametrically opposed (each pandering to only their half of the population) and at extremes (the politics of division) rather than trying to engage in centrist policies that a true majority can unite behind. It's such a pity really because the only people that benefit from a divided USA are its enemies. The clue is in the name, United States of America.
     
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  50. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Ystranc,

    Away from the publicly-presented views of the 2 major US political parties, the real "behind the stage" political establishment is reintroducing "mainstream" /"centralist" politico-economic programs.

    The welfare state is being disestablished and this will see the Social Security retirement program (There are some other SS programs beside the famous retirement one) be "means-tested", that is if someone has the means - meaning another retirement check, only 1 check will arrive for the recipient.

    Racial preference programs are being phased out. This is really as centralist as they get.

    The BIGGEST US budget item (less debt service) is the health care RICOs ( Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations). Something is in the mill but I don't know what it is. The health care program(s) can only be mainstream/centralist to work. The current programs have destroyed much (repeat: much) of the US economy.

    The US military is being, sotto voce, rebuilt. Many contractor groups involved. Much of the current military is really disguised unemployment. The Defense contractors (Nicknamed "the Primes" [prime contractors]) recognize this and are adjusting accordingly.

    Even agriculture has been "looked at". Much of the Xi-Trump trade agreements have secret annexes and the US is not going to place itself at risk for some mid-level farm production. (The big folks ,.. Cargill, ConAgra, exempt - not that much new under the sun.)

    In realistic terms, politicians like Diane Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi (Her political family drained Baltimore of its wealth even prior to House Speaker Pelosi moving to California) aren't hoping for a political environment that taxes away their hard-earned (I must be nice when speaking about our illustrious politicians) estates.
     
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