Ammo storage

Discussion in 'Ammo - Types, Usage, Reloading, ETC.' started by ally79, Jun 8, 2016.

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  1. ally79

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    How do you store your ammunition? We live in a very humid climate so any ammunition not needed for daily carry or range trips is kept in Foodsaver bags and vacuum sealed to protect from moisture. We also toss an oxygen absorber in the bag just as an extra layer of protection.
     
  2. Arkane

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    Vacuum sealing is not recommended and neither is Oxygen absorbers! as both of these can damage the ammo!
    Just seal in plastic bags store in metal ammo cans and keep somewhere the daily temperatures do not change too much!
     
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  3. Keith H.

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    I have never had any problem with storing gunpowder, here in New England or in the tropics. Gunpowder tins, powder horns & leather gunpowder wallets all work fine.
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  4. jeager

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    Military ammo cans.
    They are made to store ammo outdoors in all climates.
    I buy plastic ammo cans that have a rubber seal around the lid and plastic
    won't rust.
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    What with the coming socialist banning of firearms, caches of ammunition, high capacity magazines, ..., preppers need to be putting back needed supplies "out in the woods somewhere".

    Most folk on this site are aware of the storage method of using PVC pipes as containers for later retrieval. PVC pipes can be sealed so as to prevent water getting into them. After retrieval, one must hacksaw their way into these containers; but hey, one sure can seal these puppies. PVC "glue" actually melts the PVC margins together.

    One thing that is necessary if storing metal in these sealed pipes is to defeat metal detectors should their be raiders about. The easiest way is to have one storage pipe and dozens of false units. So, you have your tube in the ground; around that tube, in varying directions and distances, place junk metal under the dirt. This way, a person with a metal detector will be there all day chasing false positive readings -- let them dig-up 50 crushed cans.

    Another method is to dig the holes in the earth very deep; however, I'd not trust this. There are powerful metal detectors out there. In the hole you are using for storage, place the pipe down in there, fill around pipe and just above pipe, pack this dirt down to the consistency of the dirt surrounding, in the space above, place a piece of metal junk so that if the raider finds this hole, he may think that this is just another false positive.

    In areas you hunt or visit, place crushed cans under the dirt EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT USING THAT AREA FOR STORAGE. Do this so that people who may have been tracking you will run into ENTIRE FAKE FIELDS. Run mind games on the oppressors of Liberty. The enemies of Liberty are among the anti-Christ world-government movement we see enveloping the planet. Be the sword of St. Michael.

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  6. TMT Tactical

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    A whole field full of nuts, bolts, ball bearing and such will drive a metal detector crazy too. Lots of ways to hide buried treasure. Also a few chemical laden / permanent colored dye pack surprise packages are fun to watch being opened.
     
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      So far, I've been spared by God the test of any bestowal of treasure upon me or mine. I've heard that being wealthy is a horrible burden on the soul. All I'll say is this, should the Lord God look down upon me and determine in His Infinite Wisdom that I should not be spared so horrific a test, then I will do my utmost to endure. If I become so burdened, then I'm off to buy an island somewhere. Then there's the matter of my army turning on me. Dang!
       
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  7. Old Geezer

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    When distributing your metal detector false-positive generating crushed cans and flat scrap metal, don't dig proper holes for these. Just stick a spading shovel into the earth at a 30 degree angle, lift the shovel to a 60-degree angle, shove-in a piece of metal, and then return the soil to where it had been before. This way, you are not damaging the forest floor -- "do no harm". You've cut few, if any, roots.

    For the burying of the PVC pipe itself (or fake-out dummy stores that are empty or have "surprises" in them) use a plain old set of post-hole diggers. Buy the best and they'll last for decades. Due to my age, I've actually worn-out a couple of post-hole diggers -- but hey, let's face it, three diggers over a 50-year period, that's not bad (I beat the hell out'a tools; dent a blade on a rock?, get out your 2-lb hammer).

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    Here's an instruction video on priming and sealing PVC pipe if you've not done this before. I forget that some of our readers are not do-it-yourselfers. When it hits the fan, you'd best turn into a handy-man or handy-woman -- and do so quickly. When anything breaks, you will NOT be able to call-up whoever to come over and fix that which is broken. Everyone is going to be on their own, period.

    If you are determined to use threaded pipe, then get super obsessive about sealing the caps. This is no simple task. Me, I'm as subtle as a carpet-bombing run. Call me crude.



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    Not necessary to read the following, this stuff just fell into my mind while I was getting ready to post this:

    Neither iron nor aluminum is going to tox the soil. Red clay is red due to natural iron deposits in the earth. Where I'm from there is a mountain range named the Iron Mountains. Iron used to be mined in Southern Appalachia (my folk worked the iron mines). Aluminum is separated from natural bauxite deposits. The Earth has practically unlimited supplies of bauxite. Still, I recycle aluminum because it saves the industry huge amounts of electricity.

    Don't buy plastic bottles for drinks. When I do buy plastic bottles, I refill them with KoolAid powder and filtered water -- I get three bottles-worth of drink from one bottle. Buy only the 2-liter size, this goes further, is more cost-effective. Keep powdered flavored drink mix in your survival stores, it takes up little space. Kids and adults prefer water that has some flavor to it. Store all sorts of pepper and spices. Survival meals needn't be bland. Keep your salt stores dry.
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      Very good post Old Geezer. Excellent documentation. Just a quick add to the new DIY crowd. The purple primer stains like nothing you have seen before, clothes, hands, ---- CARPET and it does not wash off. I highly recommend disposable gloves and applied over a surface you don't care if it ends up purple. Thanks for posting it Old Geezer.
       
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  8. randyt

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    get the clear primer...
     
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  9. TexDanm

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    I was a refrigeration and AC tech so I have a better way to store and keep both ammo and weapons. You take a 4" piece of PVC heavy-walled pipe. Cap one end then fill the pipe up and seal the other end with a cap that has a Schrader valve in it. Draw a vacuum to get rid of all of the oxygen and moisture and then charge the pipe with nitrogen. Stuff stored like that will keep indefinitely.
     
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  10. CountryGuy

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    Any suggestion on where to get a tank? Or is a gas supply house about the only spot? how much of a vac should you pull and then how much would one need to add to say a 4" dia 4' long tube?
     
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  11. TexDanm

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    We got ours from a welding supply place. We used it for pressure testing coils in refrigeration. I like to charge the container with some sort of inert gas because if you leave a vacuum and it has even a tiny leak it will suck in the moist air. A near zero pressure of nitrogen will not leak and it will keep air out even if there is a minute leak. I always pulled a hard vacuum and then recharged it with nitrogen just like I would do when charging a cooling system with freon. I basically used nitrogen because it was cheaper than freon.
     
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  12. randyt

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    do you break the vacuum with teh nitrogen or do you pressurize it a bit too?

    do you think co2 would be ok too? that might be easier to get for some. paintball, sodamachines and what not.
     
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  13. Old Geezer

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    Oxygen absorbers leave CO2, therefore there may be no need to add CO2. Without oxygen and only carbon dioxide to breath, bugs and micro-bugs die. Tossing-in desiccant packs will take-out a good part of the moisture.

    Uh-oh! Old Geezer is going to do a commercial! :eek: I like Birchwood Casey Barricade to protect metal from rusting. Specifically, I had a chopped 9mm out of Spain that royally enjoyed rusting; specifically, inside the posterior part magazine-well of its grip, right there back in the spring area, rustorama-central. None of my go-to gun oils worked. B.Casey's Barricade shut down the rusting in one oiling. That puppy kept on NOT rusting for years. I've had firearms built all around this planet and since I went to this product, I've had far less issues in the whole rust-realm. Protected a cheap Egyptian handgun of mine.
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  14. Caribou

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    If you bury your stash under a metal post, or immediate next to it, the stash may be covered by the signal from the metal post or other metal item.
     
  15. randyt

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    The advantage of using a vacuum pump to evacuate the tube is all moisture and air is removed once teh vacuum reaches 29.9 hg. I don't think anyone uses the o2 absorbers using this method. The only reason to add the co2 is to break the vacuum and have a inert gas in place. It could be any inert gas but I'm thinking c02 may be easier to get for some guys vrs nitrogen. Need a special gauge for nitrogen. C02 gauge may be easier to come by for some folks.
     
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  16. CountryGuy

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    Thanks Tex, great advice. Note to self... no acetylene... LOL

    Being serious though, I know a lot of tire shops are now using nitrogen to fill tires so that might be an option to. have the tube with a vacuum and then pop in and ask then to put say 3psi of N in.You do not want to fill it with high pressure as over time it will fatigue (creep) and high pressure could cause it to fail.
     
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  17. Old Geezer

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    And the first place to look
     
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  18. TexDanm

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    I'm old and if they come to take my guns they will get the opportunity to kill an old man that has never been convicted of a crime and never harmed anyone with a weapon. It is my plan that when I pass through the gates of hell to have an entourage. I don't have a lot to lose and am going to die a free man. Real freedom isn't something that someone gives you. Freedom is something that you demand and are willing to die for. If someone GIVES it to you they can come later and take it away because you never were really free. You were just allowed to pretend that you were. I WILL die a free man.
     
  19. lonewolf

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    if its WROL then I will also die a free man.
    like they say "over my dead body" and "from my cold dead hand" !!
     
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  20. CountryGuy

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    Thought you and your countrymen gave up the human right to self protection and don't have anything left to be pried from your hand?
     
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  21. poltiregist

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    The U.K. has long since fallen and disarmed its citizens just like is the objective of the Democrats / communist in the United States . They are not free to speak of any weaponry they may posses or their homes will be raided and possibly imprisoned . If the Communist Coup succeeds in the United States the citizens of the U.S. will be facing the same persecution . That doesn't mean they have bowed down to their tyrannical rulers . Some may have hidden away their armaments .
     
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  22. Old Geezer

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    There are LOTS of firearms in England. Nobody registers them, they're not all f###tards across the Atlantic.

    The issue is the amount of ammo they've put back. Nobel people under socialist rule disobey the law. I hope the better people of England have ignored the inane dictates of their barking inferiors who could only find a life in government (sheep and wolves).

    In the USA, National Guard members take all manner of ammunition home with them. One guy told me of their unit getting pallets of ammo and after maneuvers, they'd take home the left-overs. "Shoot it up, men!" "Yes sir, we sure did!" This is why some governments attempt to ban firearms that chamber military calibers -- to keep theft-rates down.

    English government forces will have their hands full when trying to restore order to their cities. When fiat and electronic currencies all go dead, the welfare masses will be out in the streets pillaging. Long before any catastrophic SHTF event happens, this will happen. At base minimum there will be chaos in the streets. I see such things as mass-rioting as precursor events. Just a few hundred people getting killed per week isn't a SHTF event. Witness U.S. cities; look at their 3rd-world death rates per every weekend.
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  23. TexDanm

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    When the government makes it a crime to protect your life home and property while at the same time carefully protecting the rights of criminals to commit those crimes the REAL criminal is and are the people that make these insane laws and the government that allows it.
     
  24. lonewolf

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    over here we are allowed to defend ourselves if we think our life is in danger, but once they leave our home we cannot attack them on the street or we WILL be arrested for assault.
    however most, if not all, such home invasions are done in the cities, not in a rural area like this, the only "crimes" we get out here are of a domestic nature, and the Police still only attend if there are children in the house.
     
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      I've checked Devon's cities, and those cities have seen drug crime / armed felonies. However, what you guys get is VERY small compared to what we see.
       
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  25. randyt

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    Lonewolf, can you clarify for me? If you are on the street and are attacked can you defend yourself without being arrested? Are you allowed to carry any kind of weapon?
     
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  26. lonewolf

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    if we are attacked in the street then we can defend ourselves, but we are not allowed to carry a weapon in public, if we are carrying an umbrella or walk with a stick we can use that to defend ourselves, but sometimes street attacks are less clear from a legal angle than if someone breaks into our house. there is the question of "reasonable force" but no one has ever been able to tell us what this is. when does defence become attack.
    not that I've ever had to do either, I'm just talking from a theoretical standpoint.
    the chances of getting attacked in the UK are very rare, mostly someone in the wrong place at the wrong time and seeing something they shouldnt.
    I have to say though, out here in the countryside with the lack of any rural policing we tend to sort out our own problems, in a small town not far from here the leader of a gang of burglars was hung out of the top storey of a house, by his heels upside down and was told to leave the area with his family and to not come back, they left that day and were never seen again.
     
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  27. Old Geezer

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    America has some serious drug crime issues even in rural areas. The drugs seen in rural areas over here are crystal meth and oxycodone ("hillbilly heroin"). Interstate highways provide drug corridors between metropolitan areas and the rural areas along these routes develop metastases from the urban social cancers.

    Urban gangs must all be annihilated -- any resistance should be met with death.

    Within any human population, you'll see addiction rates of around 15% -- I'm including alcoholism. Among police officers, addiction rates go 20% to 30%. Police have to put up with the worst "humans" in society and all of their efforts go thankless. When they do get a pat on the back, it is too little and too late. The police in the USA have shown super-human restraint in dealing with rioters. Long ago, I would have shotgunned the some-sort-of-primate(?) hordes rampaging in the streets.

    https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/heroin-addiction/hillbilly-heroin/
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  28. lonewolf

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    I think the worst drug in the UK at the moment is Alcohol especially in the lock downs, Britain seems to be turning into a land of alcoholics if the amount of booze I see in the supermarket trolleys or empty bottles and cans I see in the recycling boxes on a weekly basis.
    we dont really see much drug crime out here in the sticks, a bit of "wacky baccy" as it is known here, but I see no evidence of hard drugs, certainly nothing in the crime figures for this area which are very low in the single figures and more to do with "domestic" issues.
     
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