Apartment-renters Emergency Preparedness

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  1. Pragmatist

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  2. varuna

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    What TF is "infected flood water" anyway? I've walk around in flooded area of this city pretty routine (biannually). And trust you don't wanna know what in the water. And yet here I'm still in the world of the living without any ill effect of such water.

    The only concern I have with the city flood water are electric shock and reptiles
     
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  3. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Varuna,

    In reply;

    Infected flood water is a term used to mean that the water got comingled with, for example, a hospital's improperly or untimely disposed of medical waste, water traveling over a cemetery and funeral parlour, etc.

    Many recurring flood paths and areas are know to the Emergency Management authorities for their potential danger.
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    I feel sorry for apartment dwellers when the world economies collapse. Chinacovid isolation measures have destroyed the incomes of people who dwell in apartments. Landlords don't get paid, so the landlords default on property mortgages and tell renters to get lost. The banks struggle to find people who can pay their rent. Most major banks are already floundering and have no real assets. If Banks attempt to foreclose, they may not get their initial investment money back. By the way, the big banks had to borrow the money with which they loaned ... On and on, eventually it all falls down.

    Renters are going to be on the streets or having to fight to be squatters in the apartments they were occupying. Everyone will be fighting to keep that which they theoretically have.

    So the renters bug out. But to where? Wherever they go, they will be persona non grata. Post-SHTF, if you do not already belong somewhere, then you are going to be PROFOUNDLY unwelcome. If you are from another country, you will be pushed out. When this happens, the new immigrants will fight.


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    And that charming description reminds me why I live away from people, towns and flood zones.
     
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  6. poltiregist

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    Not sure if my info is correct but was told New Orleans gets its drinking water by sucking it up out of the Mississippi River . Think about all the boats dumping chemicals in that water as well as the chemicals from the delta farm lands on each side of the river eventually finding their way into the river and then the chemical plants lining the river and its contributories . Have you noticed anything strange about those people ?
     
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  7. TMT Tactical

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    But, but the city, county and state say it is safe and they would not lie to us!!! AND I have some beautiful beach front property in Arizona for sale too.
     
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  8. Old Geezer

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    re: New Awlins

    Can't find this on the web, however one of the first surveyors/building-engineer of the land/area that New Orleans now occupies reported that the place was unfit for building. This was circa the year 1700. He said that what land there was was located between a mighty river and a lake. And there was the little matter of it being swampy and malarial.

    A fort was built on what tiny bit of "high ground" was there. Early settlements were abandoned. Land speculation and the bringing in of African slaves somehow got what is now known as the French Quarter going.

    You wouldn't have wanted to live there back then. It eludes me why anyone would want to live there now.

    Yes, I've been there on business a couple of times. My experiences confirmed my negative impression of the place.

    There are other cities with excellent jazz venues. Great food? OK sure, but there are other more pleasant coastal towns with Cajun restaurants of supreme quality. New Awlins, the town that shouldn't have been built. (And certainly not re-built.)
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  9. TexDanm

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    If you live in an apartment building then you need to be prepared to move light and fast to be out and then into someplace with better odds than where you are at. When the very first refugees show up people are going to be a lot more likely to be accepting of them than they will be when they start showing up in mass. If possible you might try to prepare the way for your evacuation by going someplace where you might already have connections even if it is just that you vacation there pretty often. You also need to have something to offer a place or group somethng of value in the way of abilities and skills. Learn something that might be of value that they might not have. Grunt labor will be as common as dirt but a skill in something useful can be priceless and the difference between you being welcomed and being thrown out of town. Whatever it is that you can do you need to carry your fools of the trade if possible.

    When I used to go on vacation in West Texas i always carried my tool belt and a few things. We stayed in the same campground every year and I nearly always did so repairs for the owner of the place and ocassionally would work on some of the travel trailers for people that were staying there. I did this because I genuinly like what I do and enjoy fixing things and helpig people. I also did this because if I ever needed a place to run to that was farther from an major metro area I knew that I would be welcomed there. I am a very handy person to have around and I made sure that they knew this.

    There are a lot of skills that you can learn. A hobbie that you might actually enjoy now could be your ticket into a group someday. Pick something that will be needed but doesn't require electricity or a lot of hard to get materials to do. Just knowledge will be valuable when everyone loses their entire library with their computers, tablets and cell phones.
     
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  10. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Old Geezer,

    An important - and critical - point "...renters bug out. But to where?";

    You summarized our national situation.

    It's a compound problem. These people effectively clog up the roads used by Responders and other emergency folks. There are more health hazards with the shoulders of roads packed with parked cars. Overhead bridges are reserved for the bikers. There are protocols that the welcome mat means cars stay out of these roofed areas.

    I get sloppy enough writing here into cyberspace. Websites will not convey information like an in-person meeting. A medium-sized Adams family house serves best. Using words like "evacuation" and "evac" when properly used to an audience knowing how to interpret terms means a planned and prepared-for relocation. Just getting in a car and driving "away" is not an evac; it's like fleeing the battleground and dropping the rifle to save on weight load.

    The basic emergency response rule is to evac to safety and not away from danger. Without planning and preparedness, these "renters", as we're using the word, are in worst danger.

    Our national situation has some room for improvement.

    For now, I rely on a private citizen population number of 3%, at most, of those who will "make it".
     
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  11. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Old Geezer,

    Re: "New Awlins";

    NOLA was recongized as a problem even prior to Hurricane Isabela when so many were confounded by people drowning because they lived below sea level even during routine times without the extra water.

    That's why we somewhat quietly built the Tennessee-Tombigbee Waterway a an alternate water route Midwest to the Gulf Coast at Mobile, Alabama.

    I used to attend meetings at NOLA; so much was negative re this crowded place.

    My favorite Gulf Coast town: Bay St Louis, Mississippi.
     
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      Bay St Louis, Mississippi, gotta look-up and read about this place. Thank you. Alright, good stuff.
      Pen and ink I'm using. First computer program I write, 1974, punch cards. Worked on the %$&# machines for >four decades now. Hate them. Only use them to do what I want; communicate and tap information. Music, 500 CDs; OK, I do have electronic copies; but got my battery-powered CD players. Have library of books, many bookshelves; paper books, ever heard of them? Candle making supplies, blocks of paraffin, fistfuls of wicks, and kerosene for my lanterns.
       
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  12. Pragmatist

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    Good morning TexDanm,

    Real good info...

    Had just posted something above on this.

    I take due note you've written "prepared" and "prepare".

    Carrying the basic tools of the trade dows wonders for automatic invitations. Been doing the same.

    When I travel out of this backwater, I'll take an emergency responder rig and hardhat. This is augmented with a small pouch with some laminated reduced-sized copies of documents allowing me to enter and work eg an emergency shelter, an emergency operations center. Once did this out of town and arrived back home loaded with Granola and Clif bars along with many poly sachel health kit bags with samples of stuff like Gold Bond ointments for ichy skin. Still have some left.
     
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  13. TexDanm

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    In the event of an emergency, the one thing that you can depend on is that the general population will do the most insanly unhelpful and idiotic thing possible. I used to have a slightly higher openion of people but experience has proven that in general, most people have almost no common sense. When a hurricane is coming in people will evac up or down the coast running from one place to another as the prediction changes. Just a hint, when running from a hurricane go INLAND not from one coastal town to another.

    When they try to evac Galveston they are blocked because thousands of idiots, many as much as 30 or 40 miles inland and in no danger from rising water from a hurricane will evac and block the highways making it impossible for the people that really need to leave to get out.

    When you decide to evac, you need more than a quarter tank of gas and a soft drink and bag of chips for provisions for your run. You also might bring maybe a change of clothes and some money. the thing that is most amazing is that when someone tries to help you then maybe you shouldn't steal their stuff or trash their place. I knew a family that lived just off the freeway. When Rita came in and the interstate going north out of Houston becane a 114 mile long parking lot they actually ran water down to the freeway for people and tried to offer a little help. First someone stole the water coller and then they stole the water hose and in the end, they took everything that was outside and not locked up until the guy showed a gun and put up signs leaving no doubt that he was DONE and ready to shoot the next thief that put foot on his property.

    Anyplace that tried to help those people recieved the same thanks. I know of three churches and one school that were destroid. The school had nearly a hundred thousand in damages. It is a small town and has promised the people of that town to never open the school to refugees from Houston again. ???? What is the matter with people?

    I am afraid that in a time of total breakdown after the first wave does this sort of thing to a place that they will greet any following refugees with a very harsh attitude. Leave or DIE!!! If you live in an appartment building in the city and want to get out you want to be out in front of that first wave or you might be better off just staying where you are with at least a roof over your head.
     
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  14. lonewolf

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    the thing is, common sense is not common anymore.
    we have seen it here with the fuel protests and the London riots, now we are seeing it with covid.
    we have had lockdown once, we have had the panic buying, but do people keep a stockpile just in case there is another lockdown, do they hell!! we have already seen more panic buying in places which are going or have already gone into a local lockdown.
    in any long term event you can bet your last dollar or pound much the same will happen again.
    some people dont think this can happen but isnt it better to be prepared and proved wrong than not prepare and be proved right?
     
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  15. varuna

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    Its flood water what else do you expect? Do you really expect such water to be potable? How about adding industrial waste / contaminant, animals carcass (particularly rat), faeces, alongside everything else?

    My biggest concern is this building machineries particularly the generator is on the ground floor. Although the whole building complex stand upon raised ground if the flood went uncontrolled those machineries rooms will be flooded. Another of my concern is my secondary dwelling is at low ground and that is the place where I stash ⅔ of my prep foods & fuel supplies.

    This is last year. And I often need to walk trough those flooded area on foots wearing only sandals & short cargo pant. And it just fine as long you know your limit.

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  16. lonewolf

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    flood waters are full of crap as they flood the sewers and send all the rubbish floating into the streets.
    the force of the water removes all the manhole covers and people have been known to disappear down them and be drowned.
    best to avoid if at all possible.
     
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  17. poltiregist

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    Staying in a death trap is not much of a way to survive . Perhaps some small light weight mode of transportation stashed in the apartment for an emergency evacuation is in order , such as an motorized bicycle or moped . Admitedly that is not much of an solution but maybe better than not any plan at all .
     
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  18. lonewolf

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    apartments especially tower blocks are death traps in their own right, grenfell tower springs to mind.
     
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  19. Pragmatist

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    Good evening Old Geezer,

    In reply;

    Yes, heard of paperback books - vaguely remember the related song.

    I've got some Penguin paperbacks, some Cardinal - bird not high office holder - and some other brands.

    Some remnants still here are:

    "Masters of Deceit" by J. Edgar Hoover, "Conscious of a Conservative" by AuH2O, Oxbow Incident, Zane Gray Theater, "Kids Say the Darnist Things" by Art Linkletter, ... can't see the rest without getting up due eyes.

    Also, in paperback, since Classics Illustrated and movies didn't work for me ...... and I'm the one posting something on horror flicks for teens ..... got a couple of Cliffs Notes used for formal study.

    William Shirer's (sp?) "Rise and Fall of Third Reich" given to son in law. It was the thick and expensive paperback.

    Not a book but do have some J.C. Whitney catalogs.

    True, I should clean up this firetrap of a study.
     
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