Arizona Republican Proposes Bill Requiring Students To Recite Pledge Of Allegiance

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  1. TMT Tactical

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  2. Snyper

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    It seems pointless to me.
    They will mostly be mouthing the words without understanding the true meaning.
     
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  3. Duncan

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    Well, I don't have any problem with the Pledge of Allegiance, except I would replace the fords "the Flag" with the words "the Constitution"*, and remove the term "under God" because I don't want to force people to pledge allegiance to some entity which, in their minds, doesn't exist.

    *The American Flag stands for the United States of America, but so does Mom, hot-dogs, and apple pie.
    The Constitution, on the other hand, is the United States of America.​
     
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  4. GateCrasher

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    I generally stay out of threads like this, but I offer two questions for consideration.

    #1) What section/clause of the Arizona Constitution grants authority to the Arizona Congress to even make such a law?

    #2) If you found that section/clause, then do we really want a government that has the authority to demand that children shall pledge their allegiance to it?
     
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  5. Pragmatist

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    Good morning TMT,

    Why was it ever an issue for an "American made American flag" ?

    Prior to this Arizona legislation where were the flags made ?

    Does this relate, at least indirectly, why the US imported steel ? imported petroleum ? imported cars ? lost the world's best and safest merchant marine fleet ?

    We place small US flags on veterans' graves at a couple of the holidays. The flag origin matters used to get discussed. No longer even mentioned.
     
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  6. Sonofliberty

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    Sigh..., why oh why do Americans keep demanding the right to pledge allegiance to their servant? Government should be pledging allegiance to us, not us to the government. The master is the "liege" to whom al"liege"ance is pledged. You cannot have allegiance with a liege to swear it to. Liege is the root word for allegiance.

    I pledge allegiance to no lord or sovereign save The Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    Interesting comments. When I pledge Allegiance it is the the Unites States Of America, not to the government or any political party or politicians. My pledge is to the constitution and the people of America. As for the U.S. made flags, it became know that a great many (majority of the American flags were made in foreign countries, paid for by tax dollars. I would rather spend $10.00 (example figure - not actually figure) for an American made flag vs. $2.00 for a foreign made flag. At least the tax dollars are staying in America. As for the Arizona constitution, I don't have a clue. The children may just be mouthing the words but I feel it is a step in the right direction. We need to bring back the love of country and patriotism. The "in god we trust", is out of my jurisdiction, being agnostic, I am ambivalent. It is printed on our currency and does not seem to cause anybody trouble carrying it or spending it. JM2C.
     
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  8. GateCrasher

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    I understand what you mean and largely agree, just think it should be encouraged at home by the parents or voluntary participation before or after school hours. Government derives their power by the consent of the governed, I don't agree that we ever gave them the power to make laws about who or what children (or adults) have to pledge their allegiance to.
     
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  9. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon all,

    One additional comment - from the national perspective. I don't know specifics about Arizona.

    In our current environment, a child/student can take legal action action against the local/area school board for the usual reasons. The local/area schools are not really set up for legal battles.

    Just throwing this into the mix for working this venture.
     
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    Added note. Parents can opt out if they object. It would be mandatory to be said but not mandatory to be adopted by all students.
     
  11. TexDanm

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    The government is not my servant any more than my family is my servant. When I pledge allegiance I am saying that I will work to the benefit of my home and people and protect it if need be. The "government" is supposed to be a reflection of we the people. IF, actually when because it is close and seems inevitable, the government stops acting in the best interests of the people and the survival of our nation that allegiance will demand that we as Patriots, if necessary by revolutionary means, take them out of power and return the government to the people.
     
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  12. F22 Simpilot

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    Back in the 80's while I was in school even in the mid 90s until Jr. high and high school we said the pledge of allegiance. I liked saying it and in the 1st grade we also sang My Country Tis Of Thee and other songs. I was and still am a very patriotic person. In fact, when I was a child I had a book of all the different American flags and I would draw and color them and hang them on my dresser mirror. Prior to going to school in the morning I would say the pledge of allegiance in front of my flags. LOL

    Pretty sad that a law has to compel one to be a stewart of your country. It IS ONE NATION under GOD. While the Founding Fathers saw that unjust religious persecution should be in the 1st amendment, they were also Christian. Or at least Judaeo Christian. Never would they have imagined such groups like satanists or atheists to also have a 1st amendment right. At least I don't think so. And I think if the Founding Fathers would have seen what is going on today about having to create a law about a pledge of allegiance they would have thought many were treasonous.

    China has their shit together when it comes to patriotism. But you have one political ideology and you have another. Who's allegiance do you side with? None? Then move to Mexico or Canada. Be gone with you.
     
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  13. LastOutlaw

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    If our elected officials want to get involved in what is happening in the public school systems perhaps they should spend more time looking at the curriculum being taught than whether or not anyone is pledging allegiance to the flag. LGBTQ and Socialism is being pushed heavily as well as Global warming and Climate Change as proven truth when in fact it is not. No one is addressing the real problems in our public school systems.
     
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    That's exactly true. Even with so-called "places of higher education." I've never been to a college, but I bet my bottom dollar I can ask any college student to name all the presidents on mount Rushmore or who the current secretary of state is, or a simple question like at what temperature in Fahrenheit does water freeze and they wouldn't know. But ask them a question about what was on John Stewart last night or what the New York Times had on page one and I bet they know that answer.

    MIT has free college classes that you can take so I watched a lecture for computer science. About three quarters in the professor just had to use an analogy with Ted Stevens and how the Internet was nothing but "tubes." Never mind the fact that I'm sure (and every clear thinking person should know this) Ted Stevens knows the damn Internet isn't a series of pipes but was just making the jest that it was like that. It's as bad as dimwits taking face value of what Palin said about seeing Russia from her front door. Really? You seriously think she really believes that? It's you that is the dumb one. Now go call the police because McDonalds doesn't have anymore chicken nuggets.
     
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