Article: "we Should All Be Preppers"

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  1. Pragmatist

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    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/we-should-all-be-preppers/611074/


    Good afternoon all,

    Per ...

    Article is by author of pending book "Bunkers: Building For the End Times".

    Article has a quote from an interviewed Prepper re the sheep: "These people are fixing a leaky roof in a rainstorm".

    Note " ... hoarded with the gusto of frontier settlers".

    We Forum Members can go to Bed Bath and Beyond for some sleeping bag form fitting sheets and goose down pillows. Wear a face mask.

    I thought Jim Bakker was into condo sales. Is this the Reverend with wife who wears abundant cosmetics ?

    President Trump didn't relegate any responsibility. The Stafford Act was 1988.
     
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  2. Blitz

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    When we originally started down the "prepper path", we investigated freeze dried food. OMG, what a freaking rip off! It is sooooo expensive.

    I cryovac food which keeps really well (not as good as freeze dried obviously). I would like to buy a decent dehydrator but can't afford one at present.

    I have a massive freezer, which is stacked up to the hilt. The problem with that scenario is that if anything happens with the electricity, I'm screwed. A lot of wasted food.
     
  3. lonewolf

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    for dried food or rather dehydrated I stock packs of camping food, Wayfarer is good I have used them before.
    canned food is good for years.
    most people wont even realise the S has hit the fan until the lights go off.
     
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      The only problem with canned food is the weight. Okay if you're staying put but to carry with you it can be a pain.
       
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  4. varuna

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    Both freeze dried and dehydrated are good IF you are on the move (mobile). If your intention is for more stationary purpose, than any traditional / conventional method is better suited (value for money)
     
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      Very true. It would be handy to keep in the car. That was our original plan except the cost was too prohibitive.
       
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  5. poltiregist

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    The problem with stored foods canned or dried . When enough has been accumulated , you have so much stockpiled that it CAN NOT be used and rotated out as you buy it . It will ruin before its turn to be used . The rotation plan will only work if your stockpile is low enough that you can rotate it out through usage . Therefore for the doomsday prepper the most obvious avenue left is to have a renewable food supply even when money is worthless and every store in the region is closed .
     
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      Nah, I reckon canned food keeps just about forever. As long as the tin isn't damaged. Not as sure on the life span of dried food. Though having said that, we ate British Army rations from the 70's which kept without a problem.
       
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  6. Morgan101

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    Basically a good article, and I agree with the premise "we should all be preppers." A couple of things I take exception.

    Why do people, usually journalists, use the term "Doomsday Preppers"? Does it come from the TV show? IMHO doomsday has nothing to do with it. Doomsday is something nobody will survive. When the asteroid hits, or when Russia and the United States decide they don't care about Mutually Assured Destruction, nobody will survive. When the sun stops shining or the Earth gets sucked into a Black Hole that is doomsday. Maybe someday we will know how the Clovis people survived. I will only speak for myself, but I prep for what is most likely to happen to me.

    "For people eager to dismantle state infrastructure, the failure of that infrastructure in an emergency is vindication of foresight." quoted from the article.

    Nobody wants to dismantle infrastructure. That is absurd. Nobody takes any pleasure watching the infrastructure fail. It is the frustration and the reality of watching it fail that makes you realize you have to take care of yourself. This is not "vindication of foresight". This is "once burned twice shy."
     
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  7. lonewolf

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    rubbish, there is always ways to rotate stock of canned goods. do not be a sheeple and think 1 minute past midnight on the date on the can that the contents have gone bad and will kill you, the contents will last many years past the given date.
    of course should the SHTF be a permanent and life changing event ALL stored food will eventually be used up, but by that time we should be well on the way to our first or even second harvest .
     
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      Precisely. Well said.
       
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  8. lonewolf

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    Doomsday is a term coined by the media and the Church, I prefer the term TEOTWAWKI or Post (societal) collapse, these things can happen without mutually assured destruction or even a meteor strike, it just means the end of one "normal" and adapting to a new one.
     
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  9. TexDanm

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    If everyone was a prepper then we probably wouldn't need to prep for most of the things that we are prepared for. Part of what makes people preppers is that they think ahead. We see the cliff coming and can also see that people in general and our world leaders are not going to do anything until the CRASH.

    At least in the US we have food running out our ears. There should be food warehouses in every area that are specifically for emergency use. It could be rotated in and out to people on welfare instead of giving them money and such that they convert to drugs and alcohol. I used to hang out with a friend that rad the security for a big bank and business building. It had a huge basement which in South East Texas is rare. Because of this it had been used as a Civil Defence Shelter and was stocked for the end of the world by Nuclear war. The stuff was old but well stored and it was fascinating to see what they had prepared for. At one time in the US we WERE prepared as a nation as best as was possible to weather a nuclear attack.

    All of that is gone now. We as a people have not just gotten soft we have been systematically weakened and destroyed by the liberals endless efforts to make us into a welfare state. At one time we were going to the stars but LBJ killed Kennedy and instead gave us the welfare system. Ever since then each time a liberal got into power they further weakened us to the point that when (!! happened we had no ability to respond. Even when we went in with Desert Storm we had to do it with weekend warriors, national guard, and Coast guard because we lacked the necessary active military to fight.

    As a nation, we are not prepared for much of anything. California is what our nation is becoming. They get surprised every couple of years that dry underbrush that they will not allow to be safely burned or removed WILL catch fire and burn them UP. They don't grasp that building right dead on top of a known major fault line might not be smart. They don't even remember that water runs downhill and takes the mud along with it. Their mudslides are unbelievable. I had a friend out there that lost a home to a mudslide. There was a known problem yet the not only allowed people to build there, they did NOTHING to reduce or prevent it. That is the US that they want to give us. They see preppers and survivors like us as a threat.

    If more people were like us then there would be no liberals in any position of power. We as a people are sitting and watching and ALLOWING it. There will never again be more preppers. We are a dying sort of mentality. It along with things like honor, patriotism, morality and a work ethic are being systematically wiped out as our children are being indoctrinated into the liberal way. In the end, we will VOTE for our death as a nation. As a survivalist, I see TEOTWAWKI as our only hope because without it we as a species are devolving fast and there will be no survivors.
     
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  10. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Morgan,

    A term like "doomsday preppers" is derogatory to discredit us. The pseudo-journalists are using psychological warfare.

    Dismantling state infrastructure is either an act of war or an act of terrorism. The recent amendments add domestic terrorists to our national security laws and regs.

    I recently read a term "prepper panic hoarding". By definition, Preppers are already stocked with materials - and obtained at lower costs during sales, etc. This term is also calculated to discredit us.
     
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    Good morning TexDanm,

    Concur; a featured renegade Marine living in the USSR returns to US with Russian wife to assassinate JFK and then gets killed by a night club manager who has access to the highest profile detainee in the US and and and

    (The Watergate coup d' has same type of plot.)

    Yes, indeed: We are a threat to the socialists.
     
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  12. lonewolf

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    doomsday is almost a quasi religious term, one I have never used to the best of my knowledge, I normally refer to things like societal collapse.
    panic buying is for sheeple, preppers don't panic buy, preppers buy when the stocks are high and demand is low.
     
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    I will concede about canned goods lasting almost infinitely but can say the hundreds of pounds of flour I have stored is now being used to supplement dog food . There was simply no way a family could consume that that much flour before it went bad . The flour we ate on for about eight years before we decided it was time to replace it . The expense of storing canned goods would be huge as well as the space it would take up . As I have stated before for a family of three if they ate two cans of food per day each that would be 4,400 cans in a two year period . That would come to about $4,500 dollars invested in a two year supply of food . It would probably be cheaper to keep survival critters which in theory would supplement a person or group forever .
     
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  14. lonewolf

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    I agree about the flour, a renewable source would have to be found.
    now about the cans, there is no way anyone can store enough cans to live off for the rest of their lives, but that isn't the point of storing cans, canned food is processed and a diet high or solely based on processed food is not good, it will probably kill someone over time because of the additives contained in it and how it has been processed.
    I have always said, and I will say again, that canned food is NOT to replace fresh food it is to SUPPLEMENT it when we cant get fresh, bad weather, wrong season or its just not safe to go outdoors. where possible fresh food should always be used instead, that may require a renewable source, may be growing our own food, breeding some kind of meat animal , foraging
    and hunting, maybe fishing if near a suitable water source.
    relying on stored food is only for a short term event at best.
     
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    I will put a question out there for you guys . Have you ever had to actually grow basically all your food that you and any dependents required for survival year around " year after year " without any machinery . I get the impression that some on here have drastically underestimated that undertaking . I have already did that but would be interested in hearing from you guys experience in survival farming .
     
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  16. lonewolf

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    over the years I have had many "allotments" and grew a lot of my own food, yes it takes a lot of work and effort without any machinery but what else will we be doing post collapse.
    I have lived off grid before and about 90% of the time is spent on producing food in one form or another.
     
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  17. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Lonewolf,

    For a planned shelter in place, I'd modify stored caned food to say it if for an indefinite and "long time" (as tailored to the situation and event). Caned food supplements fresh foods. If /when fresh foods become unavailable for whatever reason, caned foods allow for nutrition during a rough episode for the recovery.

    Caned anchovies are far from the equal of a few Whitstones and fish and chips but will get one through until next stage of events.
     
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  18. lonewolf

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    I thought that was what I said?:p
     
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