Bolt Action Rifles

Please give me your recommendations for your favorite bolt action rifle.

Since there are so many very knowledgeable people on here I thought I would ask to see if something comes up I hadn't considered yet.

Husband made the mistake of telling me I could pick one for Christmas lol. I am leaning towards the Rugar Precision in .308

 

This is more of an off bench just because I enjoy it. But if I'm hunting this place is heavy forest, and it would be more for deer and black bears. No elk or grizzly around here.
The Ruger is probably the top end of the budget and my guilty conscience says lower is better.
But I prefer bolt action, and to be difficult big stocks just don't fit well for me (that annoying smaller female form problem lol)

I am also limited by the "wonderful" new gun laws put in place here this year. So no point in anyone suggesting things like AR 15s or SKS.

 

Winchester Model 70 is still my favorite (love mine) in a featherweight if your hunting or a heavier barrel if mostly bench shooting. This is one of the few rifles one of my kids will inherit.

If your going Ruger I would recommend the Hawkeye series as the are still made in the fashion of the discontinued 77 series and are very accurate. I don't care for there American series for several reasons (you get what you pay for) and have family members that have had bad experiences with this series.

My third choice is the Savage model 10. I have the Model 10 in 223 Rem with a heavy barrel that shoots sub MOA at 300 yards with 62 gr. ammo. (shoots 1/2 inch 3 shot patterns-all day long) I would also look at the model 11's as they are getting good feedback for hunting arms. The model 10 trophy hunter has a msrp of 729.00 US.

The Winchester Model 70 featherweight is in the $1000 range.

Dale

 

The .308 and the .303 Brit are amongst my loved ones. Wise the .308, yet ...

Many volumes I could write. I'll spare you.

Of late, the 6.5 has been revisited. It is anything but a whim. As far as too many fascinating facts prove -- engineering writ large -- suffice it to say that the 6.5 is indeed a most wise choice. Allow me to spare you the details. Allow me to spare myself. It is late and I do grow weary. I must do "smart" things tomorrow for work, thus bed & repose doth beckon me.

Choose the 6.5 Creedmore as the caliber of your rifle. Many have chosen this chambering of late; they are all not stupid; again, this was no whim. The 6.5's origin is with brilliant Swedish engineers generations ago. Suffice it to say that they understood the sectional density realities of it all. Given our planet's gravity, the thickness of its gaseous atmosphere, and a myriad of other factors, a bullet of 6.5 mm persuasion is just the ticket. Even the 6mm/.243 caliber is brilliant (nothing wrong with the .243 Winchester; this chambering offers a vast selection of cartridge configurations, varmint to deer).

A best friend of mine chose the 6.5 Swede as his sword. He was some order of magnitude more intelligent than am I (his IQ was well over 150/160; he designed circuit boards of grand complexity and took no time in doing so). He understood the intricacies of it all.

Now we have the 6.5 Creedmore which is ballistically a near clone of the 6.5 Swedish Mauser.

In the name of our Creator God, do never demean the reality of your XX condition. God is Infinite in His Wisdom. You, in your corporeal life in this current low plane of existence (not our doing, being here) are beyond sufficient to the task of becoming a latter-day Diana, Goddess of the Hunt. Divinity smiles when you lay out a nutritious repast upon the supper table. He will vouchsafe unto you the tools of bringing this reality to fruition.

The rifle stock's length of pull must match your body's shoulder/arm-length configuration. Should you require a shorter or longer stock, then seek out that rifle-stock furniture which fits you best -- "regular" or "youth" length of pull, you will be able to find. This is upon you and you alone. When trying-on rifles, wear a coat whose thickness of shoulder fabric matches the coat you will be wearing whilst hunting. This is your "fit". The feel of a rifle (any firearm) is of utmost importance. The recoil of the 6.5 Creedmore is less than that of the .308 Winchester. If an animal is dead, it is dead.

I am thick-chested and go 200 pounds (non-obese, yet I'm a runt compared to my iron-mining paternal lineage; the men of my family were critters; one great uncle of mine was a monster), therefore recoil is not a factor for me. A person whose physical mass is less must needs concern themselves with the matter of recoil -- one must bring her rifle's barrel back down into position for a follow-up shot should it be necessary. The 6.5 Creedmore is forgiving to the shoulder of most humans, irrespective of body-mass -- yet, it's bullets are anything but forgiving to the game. It has every capacity to drop animals where they stand. It just does. In this rifle chambering, you will have a wide variety of bullet choices from which to select.

I wish you God's speed in your obtaining a rifle that will last you a lifetime. Buy as much ammunition as you can afford and become one with the rifle. Practice makes for muscle memory. Disobey the laws of socialist Canada should they impede you. You and your life's purposes are superior to the inferiors who occupy governmental positions. They are even as nothingness when standing beside your person. Government pencil-pushers are those who could not make it in the real world. Divest yourself of them. Often, lying to the functionaries of government is the Will of God. He is the Most Just.

Do inform us as you endeavor to find your rifle. Ask questions. Someone here will know the answers.
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https://www.mauser.com/en/

 

Sako rifles out of Finland are as finely built rifles as you will find. Guess what, they are expensive.

Their lower-tier product is named Tikka. These rifles may be less expensive, less pretty, cheaper stocks, whatever else, but they are not lower in precision engineering. These puppies shoot straight.

I have two minute of angle rifles. One is an M98 Mauser wearing an FN barrel, glass bedded, laminated stock (i.e. highly modified). The other is a factory Tikka with no modifications. From the factory, most Tikka rifles, given the ammunition it "likes", will shoot minute-of-angle. My Tikka rifle is more accurate a rifle as I am a shooter.

https://www.tikka.fi/en-us/rifles

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I find the rifles made by Savage to be aesthetically ugly. Silly me. Thing is however, they are the best buy for the money. I am not alone in this observation. Surf the web with some string as "rifle best buy" or "inexpensive accurate rifles" and your results will have the name Savage within.

Savage has their line of "Package Rifles" -- all this means is that you are buying a rifle with a scope already mounted and bore-sighted from the factory. One must of course sight it in, however the tedium of picking scope mounts, rings, scope, and installing all of this has been done for you. If your husband enjoys mounting scopes and is good at this, then go with his recommendations. The mounts and rings I have on my Mauser are rock solid -- I had a mega-OCD friend install them. Our gunsmith did the drilling and tapping for these special mounts. If you know people who are good at installing scope mounts and rings, let them do it. I've done installations a'plenty, but I do not enjoy the process. I do kind'a enjoy sighting-in rifles and handguns (my handguns have adjustable sights); it's second nature to me and it gets me out to the range.

https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=Package

If you are going to be shooting in a forested area, you will not need a powerful scope; indeed a 4x scope will do fine. Even less than 4x will suffice. As a young man, I liked aperture sights for short range shooting (now I have to wear bifocals; and a ghost ring truly is a ghost ring to me; my retinas are great, yet I have man-made lenses due to cataract surgeries). Aperture sights were those to which I was accustomed. The rifles issued to me at age 15 (rifle team; M14 and a .22 target rifle) had aperture sights = burned in the brain. As a child before age 15, open sights were the order of the day. Only at age 16 did I put a scope on a rifle, a deer rifle (I needed no scope; must have done it because others did so). We did have one scoped .22, but that was it. Thus my extreme bias. In a perfect world, I'd have my youthful eyes back and put aperture sights on my rifle intended for woods hunting. Hunting across open fields calls for the use of a scope.
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Rebecca,

I own a Ruger Precision Rifle in .308 calibration. I chose the .308 because it is commonly available coast to coast...and also a reloaders dream...lots of choices in powder and bullets available in this calibration for the reloader..

The .308 is also the 7.62 by 51mm used in NATO standard calibrations.

The .308 can also use most of the reloading bullets available for the 30.06 calibration in that diameter .308.

However...I have not shot it as of yet and have only mounted a scope.

I will post the results when I get around to shooting it.

The Ruger Precision is a three lug bolt gun...not two as in most bolt guns.

Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=57300

This rifle comes in every dang chambering imaginable! I couldn't believe the selections, holy cow! I just now counted and you have 20 selections in caliber. Can't say that I've ever seen so many choices.

Chamberings you'd be interested in: .308 Win, 6.5 Creedmore, .243 Win, 7mm-08 Rem.

The 7mm-08 is a winner cartridge. All the case is is a .308 necked down to 7mm. Bullets with a 7mm diameter have great sectional densities. It's just that the 6.5 diameter is the sweet-spot diameter. My .308 rifles like 168gr, boat-tail, hollow point target ammunition (these hollow points are NOT true hollow points, long discussion). In .308, often people find the 168 - 175 grain bullets' sectional densities to get the job done at distance.

One does not need the power of the .308 to kill whitetail deer in forested areas (i.e. short range). A .308 does NOT need any sort of long barrel; 20" is fine, even an 18" barrel will get the bullet out of a .308 case up to speed.

Here's the link again

https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=57300

When you select different chamberings .308, 6.5 Creedmore, .243 (put cursor over and click on caliber you wish), the specifications of the rifle change. For instance, the barrel length for a .308 is 20 inches, the barrel length for a 6.5 Creedmore is 24", .243 has a 22" barrel. This is super good! A .308 only needs 20" of barrel to get its bullets up to velocity. A .243 Win really does need 22" of barrel! "Them's jist th'facts, mam." You don't EVEN want to hear the reasoning behind this phenomenon. Precision shooters need to know; but to everyone else, this is just obsessive silliness. Savage has designed their rifles to match the chamberings -- yet another reason to love the folk at Savage.
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Rebecca I agree with your original thoughts on a rifle . My favorite rifle is a 308 bolt action . The recoil is moderate and the bullet speed great for retained energy in dropping your quarry . Most white tail deer I have shot with the 308 took less than 4 steps before dropping and with a few never even taking one step . A faster caliber bullet usually has more range but less retained energy " killing power " at ranges under 100 yards . A large variety of bullet weights are also available for the 308 cal. making it a versatile caliber . If you reload your versatile ability increase as you can then control to an extent recoil and needed range . --- The bigger question I have is amo availability . Perhaps in Canada it is different but as of now here in the United States getting amo or reloading material is a huge problem . It looks like here in the United States , those that already have their amo will be the only ones to have any in the future . --- Another thought on this , a few years back I loaned my grandson a 308 and he and I went deer hunting . At the time he was about 13 years old and is a small fellow . I doubt he weighed a hundred pounds at the time as he had to take shots to get himself to grow . He dropped a nice 8 point buck with that 308 with not any problem with recoil .

 

Olde Geezer,

Wow!! I did not know that about the 7mm-08....that it is a necked down .308!!

This caused me to reach for my Hornady handbook of cartridge reloading....and yep...sure enough ..that is what is in the pages..

That would make for a bit flatter shooting bullet and yet carry a lot of energy on impact....

And indeed...7mm has a wide selection of bullet types as well as weights..a reloaders dream.

I shall keep that in mind...that the 7mm-08 is a necked down .308...

Thanks for bringing me up to speed on that information.

Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

Per what Poltiregist just said:

Check ammo availability before selecting your rifle's chambering.

I keep forgetting that people have lost their minds and are panic-buying.

I standardized on military calibers so that I could range-blast thousands of rounds of ammo. I could always get 7.62 NATO (near-same-as/interchangeable-with .308 ... so long as the receiver could handle .308 pressures) in battle-packs of 200 rounds each. Russian 7.62x54R, I ordered by the wooden crates. For .303 Brit, I've gotten surplus ammo from Greece, India, wherever. In handgun calibers, I've gotten 9mm from Indonesia, ... everywhere. The surplus ammo was just out there and it was cheap, very cheap.

And now, people have gone nuts; I go to gun shops and see empty shelves. In handgun calibers, the selections of 9mm are gone. In rifle calibers, the .223/5.56NATO is being wiped-out. I still see .308Win, yet the variety has been lessened.

This being said, the .303 British is still there. Nobody is panic-buying .303. Cartridges in .243 Win, 6.5 Creedmore, 7mm-08 are still on the shelves and in a variety of loadings. People are not panic-buying these cartridges. I will say however that due to its great popularity, the 6.5 Creedmore does fly off the shelves. Maybe in Canada you would have difficulty finding this 6.5 ammo (???). Some countries are now banning civilians from owning firearms chambered for military cartridges.

Here's an article from just this past August stating that in Canada, they were NOT having ammo shortages.
https://www.guns.com/news/2020/09/11/no-shortage-of-ammo-in-canada

Therefore Canadians may have dodged that bullet. Here in America, people are getting ready for the upcoming civil war.

I recommend calibers in the 6mm to 7mm range because they have precious little recoil. This means that you can instantly get the rifle back down on target after the first shot. One can do this even in a light rifle. You do not need rifle-mass to soak recoil. The .308 fired from a light rifle will kick. Guys go macho about recoil not affecting them. Men's shoulders are genetically wider than the female pectoral girdle. Shoulder-width affects how a human can throw a ball and mount a rifle. That said, many men in America hunt deer with the .243 Winchester because it kills deer and doesn't recoil, making shot #2 significantly faster. I couldn't say, because I only own rifles chambered for larger calibers. I have freaky-wide shoulders (I have trouble finding shirts; larger shirt sizes means they also have wide waist diameters which I don't need; it's a terror and I look funny, wrinkles at the waist, try to tuck them in but can't).

Use your own judgement, Rebecca. Don't let us guy-folk talk you into something. All we can do is give you some pointers. Here's search results for "Women deer hunters insights". Maybe somebody in these links will have some ideas for you to use.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Women+deer+hunters+insights&atb=v140-1&ia=web

I'm just one average dufus male. Guys like machines and tools and campfires -- i.e. we're still cavemen ... with pants, shirt, and tie. We would be elegant, yet always fail.

 

My favorite bolt actions rifles are Winchester model 70 ( get one that is pre 1964 if possible)
Remington model 700. so sad Remington sought bankruptcy protection in 2018. It exited court protection the same year, after creditors took over ownership of the new company. but they did make one of the finest out of the box accurate rirfle for a very good price of about $700. So sad
that being said ruger and sako do make very good rirfles .
I was a big fan of Carlos Norman Hathcock he started with the Winchester and then changed to the Remington .
Carlos Norman Hathcock II was a United States Marine Corps sniper with a service record of 93 confirmed kills. Hathcock's record and the extraordinary details of the missions he undertook made him a legend in the U.S. Marine Corps.
read more about this best sniper ever .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock

 

Thanks for all the good information it's much appreciated. I don't have much to say in the way of decisions yet as some things, choice in firearms being one, I tend to research thoroughly.
Unfortunately for all but the most common I will have to drive 300kms one way to purchase as I don't like having to reply on the post office to get it here. My own peculiarity.
Ammo seems to be ok in general, I can get most in the small town near here. Online I can get surplus 7.62 (And bulk .22)

 

Buying online, you expose yourself to Big Brother record-keeping. The inferiors in government via high-tech oligarchs gather data on people, then use it against fully-human souls.

In the small town near you, can you purchase ammo cash-and-carry? Or, is there any record-keeping to be done that notifies Canadian government? Anonymity is everything.

With my entire soul, I hate meddling government. Gulliver's Travels, Lilliput, tiny inferiors tying-down fully human souls. I want all the tiny squeaky people to be dried-out and ground into powder.

I'm trying to think of ways for you to put back lots of ammunition. One needs perpetual practice to become really good.

Maybe you have already figured-out how to put back ammo. Preppers must do so. One expects lower-order two-legged critters to go feral -- they are near-feral during decent times. But what is shocking is to see "civilized people" lose control of themselves. I remember reading an article by a person who lived on Staten Island. After hurricane Sandy hit, he was shocked to see a "good neighbor" engaged in looting. He became more of a grown-up after witnessing true human nature.

Urban police departments do not provide their officers with sufficient ammunition to become deeply proficient with their weaponry. There exist police in the USA who when entering police academy have never fired a weapon. Mind-numbing! Much of America has become totally limp-wrist weak -- thus, the violence. Felons are neither afraid of the police nor of the citizenry. Many police overtly fear the felons they must arrest (sad that). It is the felons, the lowlifes, who should live in perpetual terror of being killed. There's a part of me that want the peaceful protesters to attack Heartland America with their looting and burning, so that they can be slaughtered like the animals they are.

Sorry that you must consider such matters, Rebecca. Preppers must take into consideration the deeply sad aspects of our fellow "humans". One wishes to imagine that everything would go smooth sailing. We are smarter than that, however. We are responsible, thus the full burden of reality weighs down upon us. Preppers should be better at throwing parties. When I was young, I sure liked to party-down -- lost a bunch of brain cells doing that.

When hunting deer with a .308, you must consider that the bullet may sail through a white-tail deer as if it were made of tissue paper, thus not expanding. Heavier bullets in .308 are designed to dig deep into mule deer and elk -- really heavy, thick critters. These bullets will NOT expand on smaller-species deer. You may think of using 150 gr bullets with a round-nose exposed-lead tip as opposed to spire points. Flatter-nosed bullets are designed to dump energy quickly. This is why the 30-30 sometimes does much more tissue damage than the much more powerful .308. Again, the .308 bullet could simply pierce right through the deer and keep on going into the forest without sufficiently delivering energy into the animal (the deer will run away and die slowly). A flat-nosed 30-30 bullet dumps its energy into white-tail deer (but it will NOT dig deep enough into a mule deer nor an elk, the soft/light bullet will just blow-up in the near shoulder causing inhumane injury and slow death for the animal). The lion snaps the necks of its prey; they kill with Godly efficiency.
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roger that about the 308 vs the 30-30 win

 

Yes..indeed....when I buy ammo or reloading supplies..I pay in cash and do not leave a phone number or address...no paper trail.

It is no ones business what I am doing with my monies. Whenever I can, I break the paper trail.

I am not interested in keeping a Bureaucrat in a job...nor am I interested in supporting their fears and insecurities.


If You cannot be trusted with your gun...you will not be trusted with your monies and also your vote....or even your children.


The fraud of this last election flies in the face of all who gave their lives to support our liberties and in this case our right to vote.

And If this leftist candidate gets sworn in they will quickly move to demonstrate that we cannot be trusted with our gun ...thus indicating clearly we cannot also be trusted with our monies and vote....and our children.

Taxes will quickly rise....and thus verifying/confirming the money issue..

In short ...more herding..


Nonetheless...whenever I can I try to break the paper trail..

These places which ask for your store card...I don't use it or borrow someone else's.


Seriously.....government tends towards being a very insecure "Biatch" and I am not interested in supporting her insecurities.s...her need to herd....one size fits all.



Where I work we are handling these uranium fuel cells to be installed in nuclear reactors....and these guys are worried about me with a gun and ammunition...a vote too...my monies too.

You gotta be educated to become so giftedly stupid....so as to naturally put the cart before the horse..

Ishmaelites run wild..


My non Ishmaelite rant..

Watcherchris.

 

All of the major arms companies make great bolt action rifles. People tend to prefer what they have experience with over other brands. Honestly, I don't think that any of the main big-name companies make a bad bolt-action rifle. I prefer the more traditional stocks but then I am a big brute and weight doesn't mean much to me in this sort of rifle configuration.

The big question is what are you going to ask this weapon to do for you and under what conditions and situations are you hoping that it will function in. I have a serious problem these days. I refuse to own a rifle that does not have iron sights. A bolt action rifle with a damaged scope is just almost useless if it has no alternative iron sights.

I have been an active survivalist for 45 years + and counting. Any weapon that I own or buy falls into that description to some extent for me so very few of the new rifles are worth much to me. I understand that these days everyone thinks that a scope is a must so the iron sights are pointless but where I live that isn’t true. There are a few rightof ways where you might be able to make a 300 to 400 yard shot but they are not easy to get and are usually leased out for big bucks.

Most of my hunting has been in forests with 100 yard or less shots the most common. Even in a tall stand the average shot that I have had has been less than 50 yards. I have never had an issue making a clean hit and kill with open sights at distances of about 150 yards or less.

Buying a rifle is like buying shoes. If you want to be happy with your choice you need to try them on for size, fit and comfort. A rifle that is well made and fits you will tame recoil and make shooting it easy and a pleasure. On the other hand a rifle that doesn’t fit you can make even a relatively mild round seem to kick like a mule. I learned this with a lever action 44 mag carbine. I have shot some real fire breathing monsters and never had recoil be a problem for me. That damn 44 mag bruised me and just plain hurt to shoot. I sold it before I had shot a full box of ammo through it. I bought it wholesale and still made a prophet on it but it didn’t matter it was GONE. I love lever action rifles and have all sorts…Winchester, Savage, Marlin and Rossie but that carbine was EVIL.

You need to find a gun that fits you and is made for a smaller framed person. What you may find is that a lot of rifles made for kids or women were just sort of cut down on the length of the stock without adjusting any of the other dimensions. This is never a really good solution.

Since everyone wants a scope now most stocks have a short rise or small drop depending on how you look at it. A rifle designed to be shot with irn sights has more drop on the stosk to allow you to shoot it with your head more up and not laid over to line up the sights. You might note on the Ruger Precision the stock is almost a straight line from barrel to the butt of the stock. It has no iron sights and the gun is totally designed around the fact that a scope is a must. For target shooting and long-distance shots it will perform like a champ. I probably own more Ruger firearms than any other brand across all of the different types of guns.

I understand that you can get clamp on open sights for the rail on these type of guns. They ae short and will offer you accuracy similar to a handgun but then for short distances I would have no problem with that. I am a survivalist and for me that is always a consideration but then this may not be a weapon that you plan on including in any sort of survival armory.

 

"I refuse to own a rifle that does not have iron sights. A bolt action rifle with a damaged scope is just almost useless if it has no alternative iron sights." -- Tex

 

I've a 98 Mauser w/fitted scope. At the stock's forend where the cleaning rod should go, I've put into and secured an Allan wrench that will enable me to dismount the scope should it become damaged. I've sighted that rifle with its iron sights. Sighted to 200 yrds; being 2.5" high at 100yrds. I peened the sight bar at its hinge to get rid of any micro wobble.

One thing that I have never purchased, but should have, is a scope with which one can drive nails. Nightforce scopes are noted for their ruggedness. (Yes, you'll have to cough-up some dollars.)



Here's their website:
https://www.nightforceoptics.com/

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/sco...&pageView:grid&minPrice:&maxPrice:&pageSize:&

https://thegunzone.com/best-nightforce-riflescope-reviews/
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Because of where I hunted scopes were not a big deal for me. I put one on my Savage 99F. It is just a plain 4X40 scope and the last deer that I killed was so close that all that I could see was hair in the scope. I shot him across a little mudhole pond. He was getting a drink and I hit him in the neck and he dropped straight down. Severed the spine and nicked the heart. Probably not much more than 30 yards off. Easy shot and the scope was a bit of a waste.

 

Due to the bifocal-factor, some folk go with 1x magnification; i.e. no magnification, just a reticle.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1009766610?pid=989956

Y'know, even with presbyopia and two cataract surgeries, I can still use open sights. My image of the sights are, of course, fuzzy-ish; however, this is good enough to get the job done. And too, there's the matter of the ever-popular ghost-ring sights. People only need an alignment tool, not some peep sight. Holy moley, taking a deer at short range isn't exactly target shooting! It's mount, align, fire. You can't just yell-out to the deer, "Hey you, Mr. Buck, could you please just stand there steady for a moment -- I have to get my sights aligned just right!"

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rifle+ghost+ring+sights&atb=v140-1&iax=images&ia=images
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Forgot something.

On at least one rifle, I have a peep rear sight for the range. The peep aperture can be unscrewed leaving just the outer ring which is fine for hunting.

When a kid on rifle team, we'd use a needle to clear a piece of fuzz out the teeny-tiny rear aperture. If you blow your own air through it, you leave moisture inside the tiny orifice which can throw-off your aim or gather yet another piece of micro-dirt. Peep sights = target shooting.

As an aside, why to NEVER have a bead front sight (always use a plain post, or if you shoot fine-bead use a sharpened-top front post):



http://ataleoftwothirties.com/?page_id=502
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Wow....Savage model 99. I have for some time admired to have one of those rifles in .308 as that calibration can be found coast to coast.

Not sure as to how much they would go for at a gun show..but also understand they are no longer being made.

That rifle always struck me as a classic...having stood the test of time..


I too like to keep a rifle with iron sights....even though I might put glass on it...I definitely like to keep iron sights as a backup.


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

Here's some photos of Savage 99 rifles fitted with aperture sights:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=savage+99+with+aperture+sights&atb=v140-1&iax=images&ia=images

I've several times gone to a gun smith to have a rifle receiver drilled and tapped for aperture sights. The best/handiest result was on a Ruger 10/22. For plinking fun I'll crush regular-sized aluminum cans and toss them about at 50 yards. With that that apSght 10/22, I could keep those cans a'bouncing.

Fun .22 plinking target for 50 yrd.s or meters. Turn your back to the targets, rifle pointed to sky, turn, aim, fire. Do this to simulate field shots.

Twist the can, then crush the can. Don't cut yourself on the ripped aluminum! Wear gloves or keep some Band-Aids handy. God only knows how many of these I've murdered in my lifetime. At twenty-five yards, use bottle-tops. For my accurate (Beeman) air rifle, I like using the pop-tops at 25 yrds. Fun-fun!



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The 99 series was just a little ahead of its time. Because it uses a rotary magazine instead of a tube pointed bullets are fine. It also had a more solid frame and was able to move into the next level of ammunition pressures and so has a little more power and reach than the other lever actions of that time. Mine is a 300 Savage which is amazingly similar to the 308 in both ballistics and appearance. It is just a little older than me and I am the third generation to own and hunt with it. The 308 is a little better for reloading because of the neck length and angle.

 

300 Savage vs. .308

The Dead-Deer factor sez, "No difference."

https://www.morphyauctions.com/jame...ved-savage-model-1899-exhibition-rifle-44767/

 

Savage arms has a .22 rifle factory in Lakefield, Ontario. That factory is called Lakefield Arms.

 

Ruger Scout Rifles are quite expensive now. I like their robust open sights.

Much cheaper are Mossberg's MVP series rifles. The barrel length on the Scout and the Patrol is only 16.25 inches. I do NOT like the standard hunting sights -- they are NOT militarily robust. Again, this rifle is far cheaper than the Ruger Scout.

https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/mvp-series/



https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/mvp-series/mvp-patrol/



Ruger Scout Rifle prices have soared up to $800 - $900+

If you can find them, a Mossberg MVP Patrol (no-scope model) can be had for $400 (high-end price $500).

I am researching military or robust aperture sights for this Mossberg model.

Here is what a survivalist found in the realm of open sights:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/mossberg-mvp-patrol-7-62-peep-sights.744730/

Jackal wrote:

"After some concerns were raised about this rifles short 9 in sight radius with the factory Williams sights, I decided to dig through my box o' sights and voila, peep sights. Rear is a Keltec aluminum/steel rear sight and the front is a Tech Sight made for Marlin .22's. All simple clamp on/bolt on installation. Sight radius is now a lengthy 20 inches, over double the factory distance. The only thing I need to do is find a taller front post, the standard one is up as high as it will go and its just barely at zero. Windage adjustments in the rear, elevation in the front. Cant wait to try it out. Also, with a set of "high" rings, I can still easily attach a scope as well."

"Just ordered these, they should be about perfect: Tech Sight Item #TSR210 Front Dovetail sight and Marble's Front Sight Ramp .225" Height .375" Dovetail Slot for .687" Barrel Steel Blue . Cant wait to set it up, I'll chime back in when I get them installed. For now, I'll put the Marlin front Tech sight back on my Papoose."

Other solutions may be available.

On short rifles, I've put red-dot sights and laser sights (point and shoot). On one short lever-action in .357, I left the factory open sights alone and of course did NOT put any scope on it. A WHOLE lot of rifle lovers love a "throw it behind the seat of your pickup truck" carbine. When I'm out in nowheresville, I like having all manner of "you'll never need this" tools. What you never expect will never happen, happens all the time.

Life is crazy and unpredictable -- just like the human species. The older one gets, the "chaos rule" gets mightily reinforced. Youth don't think anything can happen to them ... until they start seeing people get killed, until they start burying their own loved ones.

Having the right tools within reaching distance can save your bacon. One time had to pull one of my very own sons out of a ditch / drop-off road-shoulder. Happened to have a logging chain, plus all the hooks and fittings, in my SUV 4x4. This happened to have happened to him on the county road where his parents (the wifer and I) lived nearby.

Sh## happens.

Post SHTF, it will happen perpetually.
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Mossberg MVP Patrol in .308 / 7.62 x 51 mm:




Mossberg MVP Patrol in .223 / 5.56 x 45 mm:

 

If you take the scope off of Mossberg Scout, then you still have your aperture site.

 

And then there is the Savage Scout. I like these military open sights!



https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=57026

This Savage has gone expensive. Just has.

 

More on the Savage Scout





https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=57026

 

To the members...I know you will be proud of me...in gifting myself..

I am being environmentally sound and have on order some solid copper bullets in .308 diameter....41 caliber....357 caliber and .311 caliber.

These are solid copper penetrators..though I do have some black tip set aside...in .308 diameter...or what is also called 7.62 x 63 mm.


Now If I have to shoot I can feel good about myself in not polluting mother earth with lead.....I feel so proud!!!! I can shine my halo right on up...!!!

Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

Are the bullets you ordered from Lehigh Defense?

https://www.lehighdefense.com/all?a...iber-cartridge,308308-winchester-other-30-cal

.308 Win - 145gr Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos:





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Lehigh Close Quarters bullet penetration test - .308 79 grain in 30-06



https://www.lehighdefense.com/all/308-close-quarters-79gr-bullet

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Mega slow motion bullet penetration tests; not brass bullets but mind candy:

 

This following company has some aperture sights for some popular rifles. I like that these receiver sights have wings to protect the aperture.

https://www.tech-sights.com/

Marble Arms has peep tang sights. They have ramps and front sights in multiple heights.

http://www.marblearms.com/peep-tang-sights.html

http://www.marblearms.com/front-sights.html

 

by the Olde Geezer,

No they are not....
Here this link..

.308 180gr-Copper Safari Solid (cuttingedgebullets.com)

Have loaded 100 of them in both .308 and also 30.06.

Want to get more and also solid copper shotgun slugs..20s and 12 gauge.

I did not know until recent that copper solid shotgun slugs were even made..


Oh....and I have tech sights ...peep sights on my SKS rifle and like this set up.
Like the SKS rifle better than the AK rifles in the same calibration....

But like much of that stuff it is being priced through the roof now days.


Oh...and by the way Olde Geezer.....those are great videos...thanks for posting them.

Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

Those are some bad looking bullets. I bet that they would make great hog hammers.

 

Great looking bullets. Where did you find the copper 12 Ga. slugs?

 

Caribou.....The Copper 12 and 20 gauge slugs came from a gun shop across the river about 25 miles away and from which I like to obtain my reloading supplies....as they often have a very good selection.

Of recent I also obtained there a Thompson Contender 14 inch barrel handgun in .41 Magnum...the very caliber I had been looking for and for some time now..
I have found that I like the .41 Magnum as well as I like he .357 Mag.

This gun shop has reloading supplies when Bass Pro here locally has little to none....and so I have been going there instead of locally.

Mostly I go for reloading supplies..

Thanks,
Watcherchri
Not an Ishmaelite.

 

The 41 mag is an almost perfect personal defence round and was originally produced to be a police round back when wheel-guns ruled. Unfortunately, the limp wristed cops were put off by the recoil. I never understood that. It was not a target round so who cares. If I want to STOP someone I am not wanting a weak round defending my life. I WANT it to kick like a mule and take down my target without having to have 15 rounds shot. For defence, I still like my Ruger Security Six with +P+ 357 mag hand loads. The 41 is already where I have to do hand loads to push the 357 mag to. If they only would add a 41 Special to the list for people that don't hand load to have a downsize round to target shoot and practice with...

 

Prepared 100 Starline cases in .357 Magnum the other day..in sizing them..and putting/keeping them in the trays.

Then got up early this morning and after my first cup of coffee...proceeded to go out into my garage and reload that 100 rounds of .357 Magnum with 180 grain solid copper bullets. This in mind not only for my revolvers..but in particular for my Henry Lever rifle.

Deep penetrators.

Awaiting the arrival of more solid copper bullets in 41 Magnum.....again deep penetrators...

We shall see.

Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

One rifle available to our British and Canadian friends is the Enfield. This puppy has one very slick bolt action, shoots the great .303 round, is plenty-enough accurate, holds 10 rounds, and can be rapidly charged with 5-rnd stripper clips.

In the following video, as rapidly as he can, a youngster cycles the action of a British Enfield using dummy rounds. OK, so he's a tad clumsy; however, witness how slick that action is!



He notes that a "mad-minute" is a British soldier firing 15 aimed shots at a 12" plate at 200 yards in one minute. Wiki sez it's 300 yards at a larger target. Decades back, a friend of mine who moved to Australia was out with an old veteran of WWII and they were hunting pigs. My friend had a semi-auto rifle and the old Aussie war vet was using an Enfield. My friend reported that he was soundly out-shot by the much-elder Aussie and his bolt-action.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_minute

"The term ‘Mad Minute’ was also used to describe a regular demonstration, by instructors at the School of Musketry at Hythe, Kent that was intended to show officer trainees the maximum rate of accurate fire that could be achieved by an expert with a service rifle.

"The first Mad Minute record was set by Sergeant Major Jesse Wallingford in 1908, scoring 36 hits on a 48-inch target at 300 yards (4.5 mils/ 15.3 moa).

"Another world record of 38 hits, all within the 24 inch target at 300 yards (2.25 mils/ 7.6 moa), is said to have been set in about 1914 by a Sergt.-Instructor Snoxall. ‘Sergt.-Instructor Snoxall’ was probably Sergeant Frank Snoxell of the Loyal North Lancashire Regiment, who was an instructor at the School of Musketry from October 1913 until January 1917. He was a Sergeant-Instructor from October 1913 until he was promoted in March 1915. Sergeant Snoxell had previously been a Sergeant-Instructor at the Branch School of Musketry at Satara in India."

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Seems like every time I watch someone attempt rapid-fire with an Enfield (even in videos of "experts"), they take the rifle down from their shoulder to cycle the bolt. WRONG! Cycle the action with the butt of the rifle left in its proper position in your shoulder-pocket. When hunting with any rifle, never take that rifle down from your shoulder when cycling the action for follow-up shots! As a matter of fact, keep your sight picture on the game. Practice, practice, practice follow-up shots.

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This guy holds the bolt of his Enfield using his thumb. Wrong. Use the palm of your hand. An Enfield cocks on opening. Great thing that.

 

I am up in my radio room/man cave and monitoring 75 meters whilst I check my E mail and numerous sites I frequent.

Made several replies to people checking out their rigs and antenna systems.


Also tonight... I removed my Enfield rifle from it's zip up case and checked it out for operation..and cycled It a few times...also mounting the bayonet to it.

A bayonet is not something I would ever use on such an tool but wanted it for historical reasons...historical completeness.

Oh...and my Enfield is calibrated in .308 Winchester and not the .303 Calibration. Mine is an Ishapore model..

Nothing wrong with the power/ballistics of the .303 British calibration...it is just that it is not as available here stateside as Is the .308.

I am also set up to reload the .308 Winchester calibration.

Also stored in the rifle case is a Farbain Sykes Fighting knife.

The first time I saw that knife I salivated over it..and was glad to obtain it and felt the proper place for it was in with my Enfield.

Eventually I will get a issue ammo belt for this Enfield as well....for further historical completeness....as I have done with my Springfield bolt action rifle.

One thing about this Enfield Rifle...compared to the Springfield...the Enfield cycles rapidly....


Cold here in Virginia now....Winter is coming


Watcherchris
Not an Ishmaelite

 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Farbain+Sykes+Fighting+knife&atb=v140-1&iax=images&ia=images



My uncle gave me his Camillus fighting knife issued to him during WWII. I cherished it. I was only 10 or 11, but I took care of it and carried it when playing Army with the other kids (whose dads had all been in WWII). Have it today.



The above is an exact copy of what he gave me, God's Eternal Mercy be upon his soul.

He also gave me a bayonet for his M1 Garand. It stank. I never asked why. Didn't know why. Didn't want to know. I didn't take it out in our fields and forests where we played. Another kid had a German helmet with a big hole in it. Guess the wearer was worse for the wear.



Ishapor Enfield 7.62 x 52:



Bayonet

 

Yup...that is the Ishapore Enfield..

You can tell by the more squared off magazine compared to the .303 Enfield rounded on the front of the magazine.

I like the Enfield...but it is a full sized and heavy rifle. So too is the M1 Garand....heavy by todays standards.

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

Current scout rifles. Good to have one. Looks like true Patriots are goin' to need'em.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=current+scout+rifles+in+production&atb=v140-1&iax=images&ia=images

The Left is flying-in illegals, most all of them males. They are also trying keep as many felons on the streets as is possible. These acts are acts of war.

https://www.newsmax.com/us/manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-crime/2022/01/05/id/1051113/

https://news.yahoo.com/letter-dysfunctional-democrats-failing-america-193154223.html

https://common-sense-in-america.com/2021/09/21/where-are-the-illegal-immigrants-being-shipped-to/

https://www.judicialwatch.org/plane...-relocated-around-u-s-in-middle-of-the-night/

Very accurate rifles are the name of the game. "Pray and spray" does NOT work!

Know your rifle and AIM it! Got ammo? Bit late now, but if you haven't stocked-up, then get busy. How much are the lives of your family members worth?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://palmettostatearmory.com/bul..._multi[3]=8mm&stock_filter=Show+Only+In+Stock

There are three pages to the following link, so you'll have to flip pages to see all of the ammo currently available in stock.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/amm...70+Winchester&stock_filter=Show+Only+In+Stock
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https://www.valmontfirearms.com/

While wandering around the web, I tripped over this site of a GREAT gun-shop in Grimsby, England. Wow, the nice rifles they have! Got a range also. The pricing I saw was very much like retail prices here in the states. But look at these rifles:

https://www.valmontfirearms.com/rif...arget-bolt-action-7-62-mm-rifles/8545#photo-7

Carl Gustav 63E Target Bolt Action 7.62 mm Rifles
£ 300



By god, I'd buy this puppy knee-jerk instantly!

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Lee Enfield No4 Mk1* Bolt Action .303 Rifles
£ 450



There's a fun shooter, for sure. Given today's prices, pound 450 seems reasonable. Used to could get them for $150 American, but those days are gone.

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Lee Enfield No4 Mk2 Bolt Action .303 Rifles
£ 2,800

These are over-the-top, but they are brand new. I've got one in "as-new" condition -- I'd say I've run fewer than 300 rounds through it and cleaned it most thoroughly, taking into consideration that the ammo could be corrosive. The bore is as-new shiny.

Look at how handsome these boys are:



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