Breaking News..... Iran's Top Military Commander Assassinated In Us Airstrike.

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  1. Sourdough

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    SHIT could seriously hit the fan.

    It appears Iranian officials have begun circulating condolences, acknowledging his death.

    At the beginning of the last decade, when Gen. Suleimani began becoming a more visible and powerful face of influence in Iran and across the Middle East, one former CIA officer cited in a New Yorker biographical piece on him referred to the IRGC commander as the “most powerful operative in the Middle East today.”

    As leader of the Revolutionary Guards' most elite Quds force, he directed all unconventional warfare and intelligence activities abroad. For that reason Washington and Tel Aviv had long considered him threat #1 within the Iranian military command structure.
     
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  3. Old Geezer

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    Too bad, so sad.
    Not.
     
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    Iran is a wild card and how they react could be retaliation against US and Israeli interests in the region
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    Sure, Iran will react. Iran deserves to be disemboweled.

    They hit Israel and Israel may just make them glow in the dark.

    Can't live your life being afraid of bullies. Kept a guy out'a my house one night with a shotgun, he left got in his "disabled" car and drove off. Two guys casing my neighborhood, knocking on doors asking for food/money; translation, seeing who is at home, who is a victim. Had a .38 snub right hand a bit behind my back. He could see that I was armed. He could see the look in my eyes = told him that I had zero qualms about killing semi-humans like himself. He walked; his mate stopped dead in his tracks mid front lawn (he may have peed himself a bit, actually).

    The cause of violence is the ready-availability of victims.
     
  6. Sourdough

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    If I could (which I can't) I would be filling all fuel containers, and advancing food storage......Tonight.
     
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    In November Iran claimed that they could enrich uranium to 60%. By now its probably more. So somebody will need to do something before Iran can also make nice glow in the dark spots all over the Middle East.
     
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  8. Old Geezer

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    I'm so glad to have had friends who helped with the hacking of the Iranian centrifuges. Way to go guys!
     
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    Be a little concerned that IRAN and RUSSIA and CHINA just completed a fairly large "Joint" military training exercise, right there in Iran's back yard.
     
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  11. Old Geezer

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    Iran should be a little concerned that Israel has stolen some of our finest nuclear technology secrets ... and incorporated them into their nukes.
     
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  12. TexDanm

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    I'm sorry but in my experience when dealing with Iranians is that you kick them until they kiss you. They will too often interpret kindness as weakness and treat you like crap until you blow up on them and then suddenly they want to be best friends.
     
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    may be BS, they HAVE to save face by complaining and acting tough, however war is always possible with these people. watch, learn, and keep prepping.
     
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  14. Snyper

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    They do love their melodrama.
    They ignore the fact the area has been "on fire" for the last 40 years or so.
     
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    Good morning Snyper,

    Excellent point.

    I've been told that the Farsi language of Iran has been taught in Israeli military schools for ~ 40 years. The instructors are Israelis who fled Iran - or their descendants who spoke Farsi at home.
     
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    I've had friendships / contacts with dozens upon dozens of Iranians. Almost all were non-Muslims who had fled Iran. The leadership of Iran is pure evil. Their culture is something out of Medieval times. Those in Iran's leadership refuse to soften their hearts. They do understand brute force, however.
     
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    Note to survivalists: Do you have fuel storage tanks? If you do, fill them up now. Fuel prices could shoot up.

    Iran's most likely response to their having one of their generals go missing will be to attempt to close-down oil shipments out of the Persian Gulf.

    Iran has subs, mini-subs, huge ocean mines, smaller mines easily deployed, land-based anti-ship missile batteries, naval ships with guided missiles, cruisers, and a multitude of small attack vessels. The U.S. Navy has one huge task of thwarting Iran's threats to shut down shipping in the very narrow Strait of Hormuz.


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    Does anyone on here know where Iran presently stands with the ability to produce a low grade Uranium E.M.P. and where do they presently stand with their ability to deliver it ? They have made no secret of their ultimate goal being to Nuke the U.S. and Israel . I don't question their sincerity in attacking the U.S. . I only question their ability to fulfill their dream . That mutal destruction theory to prevent a nuke being launched doesn't hold credibility with Iran .
     
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  19. Snyper

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    That's not going to happen.
     
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    Why not
     
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    TRUMP..........just droned six more Iranian military commanders. With three more substantially injured.
     
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    I have lost personal friends to due to this bastard’s actions. He was ruthless and very effective at his craft. I just wish high death was a long time ago.

    I am sure there will be a reaction, but the hell with that. Iran has been asking for some attention since about 1979.
     
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      Will say prayers for your mates after I type this.
       
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    My wife asked me this morning to check the heating oil level in our tank. I laughed at her telling her it will be another 5 months before a delivery truck can make it up our mountain. Have no fear, my tank holds enough for two winters, and I top it off every summer. So not to piss my wife off too badly, I did go check.
     
  25. TMT Tactical

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    Smart man AlaskaJohn.
     
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    Just exactly how is that different from any other day of the yer.:)
     
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    You can't placate a bully, they just get worse. You need to negotiate from a position of strength. The moslems want to bring about the 13th imam and that requires chaos. There is likely little that can do, short of killing a million or two of them, to stop their attacks. Iran in particular is a bad actor.
     
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  28. TexDanm

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    In general, the Iranian and Iraqi culture is based on fear. Their leadership is followed as long as the people fear them more than anyone else. As soon as a bigger bully boy shows up there is a fast revolution and the winner is the top rabid dog. In Desert Storm when we went in and started kicking their butts their army started looking for Americans to surrender to because they feared us more than Saddam Hussein. George the dumbass betrayed them by leaving Saddam in power and he tortured and kills those officers. The next round they fought better because hey didn't trust Geedumbaya not to do the same thing his Daddy did. When Carter was president they didn't fear him at all and were right not to. They didn't want any part of Regan though and released the hostages the day he took office. If we will keep the pressure on Iran the people will abandon their leadership. If not and they do something that we can't let go we need to just spray the country with an Arabacide (MOABs on every military gathering place) and offer them no more mercy that you would a cock roach.
     
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    He says that wasn't our doing.
    I bet Kim Jong Un isn't thinking about any missile launches now though.
     
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  30. lonewolf

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    I don't think Iran itself will do anything, but what they will do is to get their terrorist associates to hit Western military and civilian targets wherever and whenever they can, so look out for small scale easily hit targets rather than WW3.
     
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    I hate to say it, because I don't want to see us blow even more blood and treasure on a hornet's nest of a sandbox of filth, but if Iran even thinks they are going to seek retribution, they'll find themselves quaking in their high heels when B-2s start flying over and bombing their shit to high hell.

    Why? Because Trump is a no shits given President. Remember when Obozo "drew a red line" and didn't do shit? Well Trump did and twice. Now when was the last time you heard of a Syria gas attack since?

    With Iran, I think we will be involved, Saudi Arabia, Jordan maybe Egypt and several others. It's not in large part the people there, but the government. I think most people there would like a better government.


    And my response to the cremation.



     
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    Thinking the same thing.
     
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  33. TexDanm

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    That sort of thing worked well for Saddam Husein, didn't it?

    All of those Islamic governments are like little yapping dogs. They are ferocious until a bigger dog shows up and growls at them. We walked all over Saddam Husein's military twice with very little effort. Only the fact that the Bush's kept snatching defeat from the jaws of victory kept that country afloat. If we had leveled Bagdad and then done the same to any city that harbored enemy troops we would have been DONE with them. We get along fine with the Japanese and the Germans. When the war was over it was DONE. The Bush's just didn't seem to know how to end that war. I suspect that Trump might be able to figure it out. I know that these days we want to fight a civilized and gentle war with no civilian casualtis but there comes a point when you just need to kill them all and let God sort them out.
     
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    I have pictures I amassed of thugs we ultimately sent to hell. Gaddafi's dead ass in a sewer pipe, picture's of Saddam's dead rapist sons, Al Zarqawi and Saddam hanging like a POS he was.

    Release the damn Bin ladden photos! Need to add that to my collection. Rob O'neil, the SEAL that killed that bastard said the photos are in a file cabinet.
     
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    The U.S is not, NOT dependent on middle eastern oil anymore. So I wouldn't worry about a shortage, but the damn speculators can drive the price though the roof. The way oil is priced is like a mafia's game. It's F-ed up.
     
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  36. TexDanm

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    The US's oil situation is totally a matter of price and never has been about us not having the resources. They just allowed the Arabs to undercut the price of oil to the point that the US oil industry could not operate at a profit so it closed down. We didn't run out of resources we just have to drill deeper and be more creative. Hell, you can liquefy coal and then refine it like oil. Liquid carbon, solid carbon or gaseous carbon all burn and can be used for fuel.
     
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    60% is not pure enough. Too easy to get a fizzle....dud.

    You need 85 to 90% or better. Most commercial uranium fuel is 20% or less for a reason.

    The other critical aspects of this as a working system is the development of a safe reliable trigger device and the chosen method of delivery.

    Watcherchris

    Not an Ishmaelite
     
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    By Texdanm,

    I am not in favor of a war....any war ...because we have way to many of our people buried around this globe for someone else's profits and all too often so.

    But think about this in the very nature of a thing....what it really is when we bother to look beneath the surface...not the nonsense often brought to us in the media or in schools to justify or take advantage of our often misguided/misdirected patriotism.



    Speaking industrially there are two kinds of nations in this world and seldom so described thusly to us.

    There are nations and peoples wherein are to be found resources...……..and nations wherein are to be found the people and facilities to manufacture goods and services using these resources.

    What kind of manufacturing of finished goods do you find in the middle east????


    There appear to be two strategies at work in this world concerning resources.

    How to get them profitably to market....and how to keep these resources off the marketplace and keep competitors out and away from these resources.
    This one is to facilitate profits/prices....control the availability of the resources.


    These scenarios also mean control of shipping routes.



    Now rethink the next war!!!!

    Re think many of our past wars!!! What were the Nazis doing in North Africa in WW2...far from home??? What did they want there??

    The Japanese and Germans are the Perfect Disciplined worker bee drones...ants for manufacturing purposes...like the Chinese..or Koreans. They work cheaply too after war recalibrates their economies.
    We are talking about a resource here...cheap labor.

    What about illegals??? Against whom is this resource war being waged???

    Now re think the next war!!!! Factor in Ishmaelite thinking.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,

    Watcherchris
     
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  39. Old Geezer

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    Excellent planning.

    If Iran is successful in slowing the flow of oil to the USA, Trump will likely open-up our strategic reserves. We have been pumping oil back into our reserve wells for a good long time now. Bad times are when you tap your reserves.
    (Like capacitors in an electronic circuit, ex.power supply, they get rid of ripple.)
     
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  40. Snyper

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    So it's just like it's been for decades.
     
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  41. LastOutlaw

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    There have been many oil and gas wells in the us that have not been tapped because the prices are too low. If there were any real shortages and if the prices rise there will be more work and more money in the us than there has been for a number of years in that industry. It is there and the infrastructure is there to get it fairly easily. It only has to be financially feasible from a business standpoint to open new wells and open those that were capped when the prices dropped. There are a lot of capped wells just sitting there waiting. Just ask me how I know. LOL
     
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    Let me make sure I have my history overview right here, not being a scholar or anything.

    • 1952: Iran (democratically) elects Mohammed Mossadegh, neutral sort of nationalist, what you'd call today a "democratic socialist" as Reza Shah Pahlavi's Prime minister. Mossadagh wants to audit the books of Anglo-American Oil Company (AOIC) because he believes they're skimming profits. AOIC refuses to open their books, so the Iranian Parliament nationalizes the oil industry and throws the AOIC executives out of the country.
    • 1953: US and UK government operatives overthrow Mossadegh and places Pahlevi in more power (absolute monarch rather than parliamentary royalty) because he will not interfere with the US/UK oil people. Shahs says he doesn't like the commies at all, so the US sells Pahlevi & Co. whatever he wants, including about 90 Grumman F-14s.
    • 1979: Pahlevi is overthrown by the locals, incited by Ayatollah Khomeini; Iran becomes a theocracy disliking both the US and the USSR. Student rioters take over the local American embassy and holds them hostage for 400+ days which pretty much costs Jimmy Carter his job.
    • 1981: New President Reagan threatens the Iranians, who give the hostages back; and the US starts a multi-nation boycott of Iran because Iran has the gall to try and build a nuclear defense, which is okay for the US, the UK, France, the USSR, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea, South Africa, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine (although the last four said they don't have them anymore) -- but not Iran.

    • July 2015: Iran cuts a deal with the western powers, Russia, and the EU to stop enriching Uranium in return for rolling back sanctions and getting their funds which were sequestered in US banks. Pres Obama returns their monies (in cash) to Iran per the agreement and everything is, if not cool, at least cooling down. The International Atomic Energy Agency says: yes, Iran is holding up their end of the deal .

    • May 2018: President Trump unilaterally withdraws from the deal -- surprising and dismaying all of the other folks who signed it -- and announces a renewal of sanctions against Iran.

    • January 2 2020: American forces assassinate Qassem Soleimani, the Quds commander.

    • Jan 5, 2020: Iran announces it's not going to abide by the nuclear energy deal, either.
    This isn't to say that the Iranians are in the right -- not at all. They have been as sneaky as any of the other players in the Mideast: Saudi, Israel, the US Iraq, the UK, Syria, France, Russia.

    But starting a war with the most powerful Mideast country, both economically, politically, and militarily, isn't going to buy us anything. Since 2001, Bush, Obama, and Trump, along their associates have -- for all practical purposes lost the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria, after seeing thousands of US citizens, hundreds of thousands of Mideast citizens and about a trillion dollars of my country's wealth wiped out.

    For Christ's sake, people, we're fighting Vietnam 2.0 and with the same results!

    The only thing I can think that will happen now is that Iran and their arch-enemy Saudi Arabia, will fight to the death via proxies (and perhaps their own forces) for hegemony in the Mid East and the ascendancy of either the Sunni or the Shi'a cults. Whomever wins will likely drop all their "Great Satan" crap and come to some sort of entente with Turkey and Israel. We will still have our bases in some of our proxies, the Russians will still have their port in Syria, and we can go back to doing something else.

    My question to all you Mideast scholars is simple: WTF are we even doing over there??
     
  43. LastOutlaw

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    Maybe still working on finishing out this plan?

    Global Warfare: “We’re Going to Take out 7 Countries in 5 Years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran..”
    Video Interview with General Wesley Clark
    By General Wesley Clark and Amy Goodman
    Global Research, January 03, 2020
    Democracy Now 2 March 2007
    Region: Middle East & North Africa
    Theme: US NATO War Agenda
    In-depth Report: IRAN: THE NEXT WAR?

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    Originally published in March 2007.

    Global Research Editor’s Note:

    This interview serves as a reminder regarding the diabolical timeline of America’s hegemonic project. Is Iran the next target “to be taken out”?

    All these countries are on the Pentagon’s drawing board. These seven countries have directly or indirectly been the object of US aggression.

    America’s hegemonic military agenda has reached a dangerous threshold: The assassination of IRG General Soleimani ordered by Donald Trump is tantamount to an Act of War against Iran.

    US Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper described the assassination of General Soleimani as a “decisive defensive action” while confirming that the operation ordered by Donald Trump had been carried out by the Pentagon. “The game has changed” said Defense Secretary Esper.

    Michel Chossudovsky, January 4, 2019

    .
    Full interview with videos here:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re...q-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166
     
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    Iraqi voted to exile all US Troops. This is a win-win for president Trump and the American people. We can get the heck out and not lose face. We did not cut and run, like Vietnam but left as requested. Troops out, scum bag killed, and American lives saved. Certainly works for me.
     
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      The vote was only symbolic. The PM has the final say and he's not a grab ass shia. The Kurds and shitties don't agree.
       
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    SOTU tonight. We get to watch Ginzberg sleep again.
     
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  47. poltiregist

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    Taking them out seems like a good plan to me .
     
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  48. Pragmatist

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    Good evening Duncan,

    (F-14s in 1953 ? Korean War ended in '53)

    I believe the 1979 Iran Revolution had a bit of help from Great Power France so as to displace US. Khomeini arrived in Teheran from Paris (where he was in comfortable exile) on an Elsee Palace chartered Air France aircraft. I believe the student rioters were augmented by others of professional quality.

    Do recall that Pavelevi had threatened to have Iran participate in an oil embargo against the US.

    2015 and LTjg Kerry's JCPOA, when ending US sanctions would free up Iranian wealth that was earmarked to purchase >100 AirBus aircraft and some railroad repairs throughout Iran..

    Yes, Trump leaves JCPOA.

    The US is being expelled from the Middle East. Iran is a powerful ME nation but being "most" powerful, is a subject for debate. China is Iran's "sponsor" and I'm sure some high-level US-PRC discussions occurred. Remember PRC built the new liquid cargo port at Gwadar, Pakistan, next to Iran for oil and gas supplies.

    Saudi Arabia already has "secret" treaties with Israel (Kilowatt Club).

    Once the $$$ dry up, political Islam will fade away and the place will revert to sand flies and scorpions.

    In reply to question;

    There are HUGE US investments in the Middle East with HUGE revenue streams for these US companies. The funds are not deposited in the US because of the Schumers and Pelosis representing the interests wanting to share the wealth. Trump is trying to change all this.
     
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  49. Duncan

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    True; I should've said "culminating" in the Tomcat. Back in the 'fifties, the IIAF got its first batch of F-86F's, several of which were used in their demonstration team. Various F-5's were sold to the IIAF in the sixties, with McDonnell Douglas F-4's in the late sixties, early seventies. The Tomcats didn't enter IIAF (later IRIAF ) service until not too long before the overthrow of Reza Pahlevi.

    Yeah; Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité have always played well in the Mideast; whether they are replaced by the New Silk Road is a very possible outcome.

    True, and --dollars to donuts -- if the Islamic Republic comes out on top of the struggle vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia (or even manages a stalemate) they'll cut a deal with the Israelis under the table and might even cut back on the Great Satan pep rallies!

    I could respond with a quote from the Prince of Denmark: "...to sleep, perchance to dream -- 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished..." LOL!!
     
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  50. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Duncan,

    Yes, all the big, smart money is on the new Silk Road in tandem with the 5th French Republic reverting to a partitioned land not ruled from Paris. Paris is joining Madrid in amount of relevance to the world.

    "Europe has been conquered, it just doesn't know it yet." See if this link works:

    https://www.israeldefense.com/en/mode/29926. Article titled "Fighting Terrorism with Persistent Area Surveillance" by Ami Rojkes Dombe dated 9/06/17. A colleague from oil industry send me pulp copy and I'm reading from a fading copy.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, Lend-Lease.

    ......

    I am now in the mood for a cognac and some dim sum.
     
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