Buckshot -- 20 Gauge #1 Buckshot

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  1. Old Geezer

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    First, the 12 gauge buckshot loads have more energy and killing power than 20 ga loads.

    Yet, dead is dead. A 20 gauge has more killing power than a .44 mag. handgun. Slugs out of a 20 gauge are over .60 caliber and are traveling well over 1500 ft / sec, with over 1500 ft lb.s of energy. Close-in, 20 ga buckshot is unholy lethal. Again, the 12 ga has more energy and killing power. Again, dead is dead.

    I love the 20 gauge. I am very biased. Many of you guys have 20 ga shotguns. Some prefer the lighter recoil, but know that a light 20 ga shotgun will kick the dickens out of you if you are shooting full-horse loads.

    Larger the buckshot, the deeper the penetration. Most 2 3/4" 20 ga buckshot loads are loaded with #3 buck; 3" mag. often are loaded with #2 buck. Wouldn't it be nice to have even larger diameter pellets.

    20 ga. #1 buckshot

    25 round box - 20 Gauge Number 1 Buckshot Ammo by Spartan Ammunition
    https://www.sgammo.com/product/20-g...uge-number-1-buckshot-ammo-spartan-ammunition

    Natchez 25 rnd box #1 buckshot 9 pellets; I think Natches loads another shell with 12 pellets of #1 buck, but I can't find it right now.
    https://outdoors.natchezss.com/bestsellers/20-Ga-Buckshot

    Patterns at varying distances, Spartan. Video:


    Patterns at varying distances, Rio. Video



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  2. Old Geezer

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    A 20 ga. is a sissy shotgun. Real men use 12 ga. shotguns!
     
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  3. poltiregist

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    A shotgun loaded with buckshot is my first go to for night time combat , not as much accuracy needed . We even had about ten I was in charge of in Nam . Those were Ethica 12 gauges with stainless steel liners inside the barrels . I never did figure out the reason for those stainless steel liners . At least it looked like stainless steel to me . Just the loud explosion and fire belching out the end of a shotgun barrel at night would make many soil their pants if they were the intended target . Day time a scoped bolt action rifle for cold and precise bullet placement would be my choice . I am not the spray and hope guy .------My first buck deer I killed was with a 20 gauge and a load of buckshot . Our hounds run the deer in front of me when I was 13 .
     
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  4. Snyper

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    That depends.

    The 12 will normally have more pellets but the individual pellets won't have more energy than a 20 GA loaded to the same velocities.

    Pellet size makes more difference than the shell you use to load it.

    00 Buck rules.
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    Urban dwellers must have the means to deal with looters and home invaders. Home invasions happen even now without any SHTF event having gone down. Korean merchants living in L.A were able to keep the savage invaders out of their areas during the 1992 riots. People who've gone crazy, mean, or crazy mean still understand physical force. Knock a few down and those still having a few brain cells active will scoot on out'a your environs.
     
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    I do like the 20 ga. but will replace my "lost" 20 ga. with a new mag fed 12 ga. semi auto. I would consider another 20 ga. if it was mag fed. Any suggestions for Mr. El Cheapo.
     
  7. poltiregist

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    I have killed large critters with both 12 gauge and 20 gauge using buckshot . The 12 gauge definitely has more killing power . The physical characteristics of the shooter and purpose of the shot and under what conditions need to be considered . Less recoil of the 20 means it could easier be shot from an off shoulder position . Unlike what they show on tv westerns , most 12's would be difficult to shoot in an off shoulder position without it kicking right out of your grasp .
     
  8. watcherchris

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    I like my 12 gauge pump guns. One Ithaca model 37 and a Mossberg pump..both in short police barrels.

    I do have the full length vented barrel for the Mossberg with the screw in chokes...but it is usually configured for house protection.


    I also have two 20 gauge combination guns I verily like.

    One a .22 long rifle over a 20 gauge shotgun.

    The other a .357 Magnum over a 20 gauge shotgun.

    I purchased these in particular for their simplicity and practicality.


    The 20 gauge up close is lethal....big time.


    House to house the shotgun in Iraq has proven itself again...over and over...even against the vaunted AK 47.

    When I was a youngster in this shipyard many years ago...;.the olde Timers who had been in WW2.... told me that in France....in these villages...house to house....the M1 Garand was the wrong tool. They wanted shotguns...many of them were raised on shotguns.....they knew what a shotgun could do but had to settle for the Thompson Machine gun ..or failing that ..the Grease gun....for close in work. Shotguns were difficult to come by.

    Interesting to me that these lessons are being relearned in Iraq by a new generation of soldiers.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      Wise information. Appreciated.
       
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  9. watcherchris

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    My Ithaca model 37 ...12 gauge police special will slam fire....just hold down the trigger and pump. I do not recommend this as the pump will jump right out of your hand the recoil is so stout.

    The newer Ithaca model 37s currently being made will not slam fire.

    My Rossi .22 pump guns will also slam fire...again I do not recommend this...as I prefer accuracy to just making a lot of noise.

    I like accurate guns...short or long guns.

    Ammo can also get expensive if all you do is make noise.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
  10. Snyper

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    Your choices are limited if you want a shotgun with a detachable magazine.
     
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    "Killing power" isn't a function of bore diameter.
    It's dependent on pellet size and velocity.

    The main advantage to the 12 gauge is it holds more pellets, and it's easier to find loads with the larger pellets.

    If you load your own you can use any size pellets you want in either gauge.
    You will simply have fewer in the smaller shells.
     
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  12. TexDanm

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    I have always liked the 20 gauge for most of my hunting. About the only two thongs that a 12 ga is a lot better for is geese and deer. The new rifles barrels though make a 20 ga slug a killer at amazing distances.For survival, I like a 20 ga because the ammo is lighter so I can carry more. If I am on the run weight matters. At home, I have three Mossberg 500s and all are 12 ga. Two are regular and I have several different barrels for them and then one is the longer defender with an 8 shot tube. i am thinking about getting a 20 ga if I can find one that isn't a vent rib. I hate those things. I use my shotguns and hunt with them. Cleaning a vent rib after sitting out in the rain is a pain. I really like my 20 ga double. it is light and fast. With 3" shells it has about as much lead in the air as a standard 12 ga shell. I used 20 ga for ducks when I was young with no problems. For small game, it is hard to beat a 410.
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      Wise observations.
       
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  13. TexDanm

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    Actually killing is more about hitting what you aim at in a lethal place. I used #6 shot for ducks instead of larger shot because one pellet in the head drops them more surely than several larger pellets in the body. Using the smaller more dense pattern lighter shot made for cleaner kills and fewer lost wounded birds.

    I also like the 12 ga1 3/4" shorts and in a post-apocalyptic situation might actually make my own for shooting small game with minimal use of shot and powder. their recoil is minimal but the bunny, bird or squirrel doesn't care.

    https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ammunition/shotgun-ammo/12-gauge/mini-and-short-shells/
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      Again, wise observations.
       
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  14. Old Geezer

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    Post SHTF, simply wounding looters has value. Such folk, however compromised intellectually, are not utterly divested of wisdom however carnal it my be. Now if they keep on coming, something is wrong and it's not yours to fathom, so drop them. Good decisions, bad decisions, our souls lie in the Palm of God's Hands. Bad decisions lead to unhappy consequences. No excuses. It's a hard world. Nobody ever promised anyone a rose garden.

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