Californians Who Have Invested In Solar Get A Wakeup Call!

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  1. LastOutlaw

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    With the rolling blackouts many Californians are surprised to realize that their grid tied solar does not work when the power is turned off! LMAO!

    https://news.bloombergenvironment.c...ning-that-solar-panels-dont-work-in-blackouts

    Californians Learning That Solar Panels Don’t Work in Blackouts
    Oct. 10, 2019, 11:31 AM
    embraced rooftop solar panels more than anyone in the U.S., but many are learning the hard way the systems won’t keep the lights on during blackouts.

    That’s because most panels are designed to supply power to the grid -- not directly to houses. During the heat of the day, solar systems can crank out more juice than a home can handle. Conversely, they don’t produce power at all at night.

    So systems are tied into the grid, and the vast majority aren’t working this week as PG&E Corp. cuts power to much of Northern California to prevent wildfires.

    The only way for most solar panels to work during a blackout is pairing them with batteries. That market is just starting to take off. Sunrun Inc., the largest U.S. rooftop solar company, said hundreds of its customers are making it through the blackouts with batteries.

    “It’s the perfect combination for getting through these shutdowns,” Sunrun Chairman Ed Fenster said in an interview. He expects battery sales to boom in the wake of the outages.

    And no, trying to run appliances off the power in a Tesla Inc. electric car won’t work, at least without special equipment.

    And:

    https://hnewswire.com/california-bl...anels-they-dont-work-when-the-grid-goes-down/

    California Blackouts Expose the Total Scam of Solar Panels: They Don’t Work When the Grid Goes Down
    October 15, 2019 / StevieRay Hansen / No Comments

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    Solar panels are largely a scam.

    And over the last week, thousands of solar panel owners in California are colliding with that sobering reality as they realize solar panels don’t work when the power grid goes down.

    That’s because nearly all residential and commercial solar systems are “grid-tie” systems that feed power to the grid, not to your home or business. And when the grid goes down, your solar panels stop working, too.

    That’s a far cry from what buyers of solar panels have been promised. “[M]any are learning the hard way the systems won’t keep the lights on during blackouts,” warns Bloomberg News. “…ystems are tied into the grid, and the vast majority aren’t working this week as PG&E Corp. cuts power to much of Northern California to prevent wildfires.”

    Even when solar panels do work, they’re still largely a scam. Power companies like PG&E rip off solar owners by charging much higher rates for electricity delivery than what they credit you for “uploading” watts from your solar panels. So while your panels are providing power to the electricity company at a discounted rate, that same company is still charging you retail rates for the power you use.

    Furthermore, solar panels lose as much as 30% of their effectiveness when they aren’t regularly cleaned, meaning the actual power delivered is far less than what the panels claim to deliver.

    Even more shockingly, climate alarmists are now pushing plans to dim the sun by polluting the stratosphere with particulate matter to reflect sunlight away from Earth. One program funded by Bill Gates and run by Harvard scientists is called SCoPEx. If fully deployed, it would diminish the power generation capabilities of all solar panels around the world.


    As the biosphere collapses from geoengineering, the fact that your ripoff solar panels aren’t working may be the least of your problems, as there won’t be much food remaining in the grocery stores, either.

    That might be the correct time to set fire to your Tesla car if it hasn’t spontaneously burst into flames all by itself.
     
  2. TMT Tactical

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    What part about do your homework (research) before buying a Solar system, these folks not understand? Unless you are going to live out in the boondocks (off grid) then there is no payback on a home solar system. The utility companies zap you for you hookup and then either don't pay you for your excess generated electricity or they pay you at a sub level rate. Note: being the only person on your street with power is going to be a huge pain in the tush. All your neighbors will be knocking on your front door, while carrying extension cords.
     
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  3. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Last Outlaw and TMT Tactical,

    Roll on the scorched earth while LMAO !

    Our problems are not technical. They are political.

    Ref: "only person ..with .. neighbors .. extension cords"; A related problem here in a rural backwater area are generators, whether UPS - direct-connect wired to house or portable/transportable. The generator's noise guarantees it will be stolen prior to dawn.

    Cross Ref: Situational awareness 24/7, public safety and security.
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    My jaw didn't drop when I read the article from California, nevertheless it's another very good example of "stunningly stupid."
    Someone simply must be semi-brain-dead to not have a bank of batteries for their alternate energy source.
    I'm starting a company, Full Moon Solar Thingies, inc. I'm gonna target Californians somehow.
    "Timmy, where does the electrical juice go after these panels squirt it out?!"
    "It doesn't matter, Bruce, we're doing it for Gaia. Everything is going to be fine now."

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  5. Sonofliberty

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    What the heck is the point of having solar if you cannot power your own stuff? Stupid kommiefornians.
     
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  6. Old Geezer

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    There are armies of professional victims out there and they vote.
    https://nypost.com/2013/12/03/the-women-who-fall-in-love-with-jailed-killers/
    Understand that rapists, murderers, dictators, torturers, ... are loved. Sheeple enjoy being controlled. Spiritual masochism is a way of life for tens of millions of Americans. That is what we normal human beings are up against.

    On university campuses today there exists mass hysteria. Everything, anything, conservative in nature is deemed "oppression". Jesus Christ syndrome professors howl at their students daily calling upon them to rise up against Christianity, capitalism, limits on perverse behaviors, ..., anything clean. The nation goes mad and nothing has hit the fan quite yet. When the economies of the West collapse, we will see a level of chaos among the masses that will shock even we who have seen a lot of messed-up crap. Gonna get crazy!
     
  7. Duncan

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    The only stupid people out there are those who don't understand grid-tie. You can -- theoretically -- make money if you plan on your grid-tie setup, take advantage of the various tax breaks, and know the difference between standard rate (what the utility charges you) and avoided cost (which is what the utility charges you). But it's probably a waste of time.

    I worked for a PV house, Solavolt International, back in the eighties where everyone got a fat tax credit. My company was a JV between Motorola (my employer of record) and Shell Oil. Most of the American PV houses were owned by the oil companies back then, which made sense from their point of view: they weren't against PV; rather, they figured that if it caught on, they'd be in the driver's seat. Unfortunately, when the PURPA tax credits went away, the oil companies figured there'd be no reason to keep pissing down a rat-hole and got out while the getting was good.

    I have a stand-alone system at our homestead for some LED lights, battery re-charger, and a radio; as some of you know, I'm looking at a larger array for my water-pump. But like most of you (I think), I'm not in it to "save money" (which you probably can't) but to have some electricity when things start to get dark.

    Buy batteries!
     
  8. Sonofliberty

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    I completely understand the money saving/making possibilities of grid tie solar, BUT it's primary purpose should be as a power supply when the grid goes down. Going off grid is also an option, but knowing kommiefornia, might not be legal. Personally, I would not have a grid tie system, especially in kommiefornia, because they might seize your power(or even your home) calling it critical infrastructure if the masses can't get their electricity.
     
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