Cashless Society

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  1. Max rigger

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    "Yard sales/flea markets/Boot Sales can become habit forming."

    Two things the Spanish love flea market/car boot sales and Festivals. No santa claus in Spain, from what I understand Christmas day is Christ's birthday but children get their presents 6th January by the 'Reyes Magos', the Three Wise Men.

    Catholic faith is still strong here and I think that faith is what has helped retain family unity and values far more than you see in the UK or USA; gran and granddad don't go into care homes, their children take them in and care for them. Its great to see families out together, maybe go for a meal and the whole family is there together from grand parents down to babies. The only noisy kids you may come across in restaurants are usually belonging to Russian or British tourists.

    Ok, me and Jack D are going on the ham radio for a couple of hours, Chris, 40m is wide open just now...good DX
     
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  2. Old Geezer

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    Centuries ago, my wife and I were searching the yard sales on a pleasant tree-lined neighborhood -- trees many decades old as were the homes. We happenstanced upon a set of the Works of Victor Hugo, Colliers, circa 1902. The leather had deteriorated mightily, yet the hand-sewn hand-torn pages were intact. I may have paid $10 for them, but to us, they were priceless. We still have them.

    Found a large 3-volume set of Dante's Inferno with illustrations by a famous modern artist (1950s). Got them for a song.

    Quite frankly, our past generations were superior to us. Things of this current sick age are tawdry / compromised.

    I'm a witness, a lover, of those things superior. To find such items, I must look back in time.
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  3. lonewolf

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    "Boot sales can become habit forming"
    Yes they can:D
     
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  4. watcherchris

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    by Olde Geezer....

    Amen Olde Geezer...Amen..!!!

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  5. watcherchris

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    You know lonewolf...when one works in a shipyard as do I....one learns quickly what is a good useful quality tool...and often at boot sales...one finds such tools.....at greatly reduced prices.

    I have stocked my garage with numerous such tools over the years ....and some of my house is decorated in contemporary American ....yard sale...boot sale..

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  6. lonewolf

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    yes me too, many of my tools were purchased at car boot sales over the years.
     
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  7. Old Geezer

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    People still buy Craftsman and Snap-On tools. Some of their tools are made overseas; however both companies have several plants here in America.

    Their tools are expensive, but they last. I've got lots (stacks) of Craftsman tools that belonged to my father and they work as if new. They may now be ugly for being over 70 yr old, yet they get the job done. That's all I care about.

    https://www.allamericanmade.com/where-are-snap-on-tools-made/

    Most Snap-on tools are Made in the USA. The company makes most of its hand tools at its facility in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and they produce other tools at other facilities in states like AR, AL, TN, and NC. Some components, like battery packs and chargers, are made in Taiwan and China.

    https://www.craftsman.com/pages/where-its-made

    Craftsman tools are made with foreign materials; however, final assembly is here in the States.

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  8. lonewolf

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    I havent seen snap on tools for years. never bought any- over my budget, but used to see the trucks going around to garages and other places. did know some people who bought them.
     
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      One of my work buddies got himself a job at one of Snap-On Tools manufacturing sites. We were in industrial control together (Eng. QC, I.Conrl dev. & manufctng, international company). In his job at Snap-On, he had to do EVERYTHING having to do with production. Sure he could program the industrial control units (PLCs, "programmable logic control"), but he also had to make sure the relays and contacts on the line worked. Welding, well if that needed to be done, that was on his lap also. Finally, he got paid the money he deserved! He replaced this 70+ year old guy who they forced to retire / semi-retire; he'd been their guru for decades. Gotta pass the torch, right! Right! When I retired, I left it to people 3 decades younger than me, but shit, welcome to life. Good riddance to that anxiety shit !!!
       
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  9. watcherchris

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    Agree lonewolf.....Snap on tools are expensive but they certainly are quality tools and you will pay for them.

    The last Snap On tool of which I made purchase is two each of 1/2 inch impact quality universal adapter...like the bigger one in this photo/link.
    Oh..and in keeping with this thread...I paid cash for both of them. It is no one's business what I bought and why...

    3/8 in. & 1/2 in. Professional Impact Universal Joint Adapter Set, 2 Piece (harborfreight.com)

    It was expensive but has lasted me over 25 years now.....and going strong. One in my home garage tool box and one in my tool box at work.

    I decided it was worth the extra cost to have a heavy duty universal impact adapter....and this has turned out to be the right decision. If often use them with my 1/2 inch pneumatic impact wrench...in tight spaces. The right tool can make a huge difference at the right time.

    It saves on excessively using advanced language skills!!!!!


    Oh...and Olde Geezer...I dont care about pretty or good looking in my tools...I care that they are sufficient for the task....and will last....that they will serve me well.

    I too have some of my fathers Olde tools....many of them Craftsman..


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  10. Max rigger

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    False economy to buy cheap tools, you often end up buying twice and I include kitchen equipment in that such as knives.
     
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  11. lonewolf

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    nobody said anything about buying cheap tools and in any case define "cheap".
    the only time I've had to replace tools is when someone "borrowed " something and never returned it-needless to say I've stopped lending anything to anyone.
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      My tools are my mistresses! They are family! Sacred! I inherited a bunch of tools from Dad -- even his primary toolbox. One comrade of my dad's wanted to buy my dad's toolbox just after he died (I'm 18 & Dad had just died). I said, "Hell no!" or something to that effect. Right now that quality toolbox from the latter 1940s or early 1950s (?) is sitting just to the left of me in my office. It's not locked due to my using the tools out if it so often. I oil it and its fold-out shelves. A bit of corrosion ... so what! Quality tools outlive the owner. Both you and I have a stack of stories concerning. ;) Some young twit asks me how I'm doing. My response = "I'm still standing." Enough said. My cane is made in England with an ergonomic grip (Harvy Canes, without the "e"). I get positive comments. My response, "Made in England!".
       
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  12. watcherchris

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    You know Max.....years ago..I bought a kitchen set of knives...a bit at a time and also a knife block....adding to it over the years...

    While there are better knives ..at a much higher price...these Chicago Cuttery knives do me fine. One of the things the olde timers at work taught me was to sharpen a knife on a stone...and also today one of these diamond hones.
    I have purchased extra Chicago Cuttery knives and stored them ....as replacements as the current ones age...and wear.

    But ...like other good tools...I have learned that good kitchen tools including good pots and pans ...costs good monies....and in like manner to my garage tools.

    Recently bought a French Dutch Oven..cast iron...well over a hundred bucks...but don't regret it....and there are cheaper models available....but not for me.

    Staub Cast Iron 5-qt Tall Cocotte - Cherry & Reviews | Wayfair


    I work to keep the wooden Chicago Cuttery knives taken care of by putting vegetable oil on them occasionally ...so as the handles do not get bleached out by detergents.... and hand wash them...not in a dishwasher.


    Just something I learned to do over the years.

    Good tools also need to be well taken care to last and especially when one spends good monies on them...and good tools make a difference in how well a job transpires.

    It is a good thing to make your tools last and to pass them on to your family.

    Even my cars and truck I consider tools..scooters as well....and work to take care of them and also have repair manuals for the same.
    Also...I greatly dislike vehicles payments..


    And well said here Olde Geezer...well said...

    Yes..indeed...my tools are like a fine woman.!!!



    While I have been off....I have done a bit more prepping in addition to repairs around the house.'

    Bought another five gallon water container....the clear plastic type you see on water coolers. Will go back to get another to make three of these bottles/containers.

    Also bought three boxes of 100 count Hornady XTP bullets in caliber .410....;for reloading .41 Magnum rounds. This caliber is difficult to find and when I located them...I ran across the river and bought all three that the store had.

    Also two one pound cans of power...one IMR 4227 and one IMR 3031...and put all of these items away...
    Paid cash....for all.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  13. Old Geezer

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    My mom's dad used the same knife over decades (he lived to be 90+). He used it to clean the fish he caught and to skin and gut the animals he killed. He used a sharpening stone to put an edge on it. After he died, I noted how his primary knife blade had become only half its original size and noted how worn-down the his honing stone.

    Tried and true
    Better than new

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  14. lonewolf

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    I bought a lot of knives over the years but my favourites are the ones I have had for 40 years.
     
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  15. Max rigger

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    My kitchen knives I've built up over time, a mix of Gustav Emil and Victorinox. I don't use cast iron as such but have collected a number of Le Creuset pots and dishes, those and the knives will last me my lifetime.
     
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  16. watcherchris

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    I also have cast iron frying pans including one of the extra tall ones...some three inches tall versus the two inch standard ones. Until I found this three inch tall cast iron frying pan...at a flea market/boot sale.....I had no idea they even came three inches tall. Found a second three inch tall cast iron frying pan at another Flea Market and purchased it for a family member who also likes cast iron. Paid cash for both purchases...

    Cast iron makes some wonderful potatoes and onions.

    LOL LOL LOL....years ago...as a night owl...I remember peeling potatoes in the middle of the night and frying them up with onions in that very cast iron frying pan. Before I knew it, my woman was up and fussing me out for waking her with the smell of that cooking....then she demanded a bowl of potatoes and onions....as I had awoken her out of a good sleep....she ate them and went right back to bed...
    I remember that with fondness and often...it pleases me to so please my woman...
    Frying up potatoes and onions brings out all the two legged roaches.

    I like cast iron....in frying pans.....but it is indeed heavy.


    I also like the copper bottom stainless steel pans as my mother used to have and when I went out on my own slowly purchased several copper bottom Revere Ware copper bottom Stainless...they too will last a lifetime...but they can be pricey. You have to closely watch your heat in this type of copper bottom stainless frying pan.

    I do not like this Teflon coated stuff and stay away from it. I am just not impressed with Teflon at any price. How did we ever survive without it????

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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  17. lonewolf

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    yes I also have a cast iron frying pan, got it years ago I forget where now it was so long ago, also got a large stewpan I got at a fair in Somerset, got a large kettle too the type you always see in farmhouses on the cookstove.
    I want to get one of the Dutch oven type pots then I will be set for WTSHTF as all my cooking will be one pot meals...well maybe 2 pots!!
     
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  18. lonewolf

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    your such a brand tart Max :p
     
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  19. TMT Tactical

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    While I have many sharpening stones, I prefer my belt driven sharpeners. I start with an 80 grit belt and slowly work my way up to the 1200 grit belts. I can put an edge on a knife that you can shave with. Even a cheap / poor quality knife can be sharpened to a fine edge but they will not hold that edge as long as a good quality knife. My sharpening stones are for when it hits the fan and I don't have access to electricity to operate my belt sharpener.
     
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  20. watcherchris

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    Cashless Society ...what a fraud...what a scam...!!!


    Interesting event this evening when My Lady Friend and I went by the grocery store, local Food Lion, on the way home.

    I particularly wanted her to get the ingredients for "Corn Fritters" and to so....in that manner...spoil me.!!


    There is a storm front coming up the east coast from down Florida way and winds are gusting here today ...along with rain.

    Now people here are rushing to the grocery store to stock up for the storm.

    In particular I wanted her to get three cases of bottled water...one for the back of my car and two for the house....in addition to the stuff for the corn fritters.


    What happened and the reaction of the customers was very very interesting.


    Apparently ..in the winds /weather...the computers shut down.....................................



    There went all the credit cards/debit cards/welfare credit cards....only cash..worked.

    I'm not even sure checks would work.


    Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

    I gave her 40 bucks cash....!!!

    Most people got fed up and left their carts right where they were....

    The employees will be working hard to put the stuff back on the shelves ..particularly the perishables...





    I be smart....I live cashless....!!!!

    Now you members decide for your reasons...not group think.

    Remember what is meant by Coin of the Realm.....Lawful Money.


    Are you ever supposed to know or think this far without permission of your betters?????

    Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! I be smart!!!! I went cashless...


    Be warned these Ishmaelites....who would put you into bondage..as does a good Ishmaelite.

    In hard and difficult times....you especially need your money to work.....not just on good and easy times..

    Don't let them BS you about a cashless society...it is a fraud....


    My non Ishmselite .02,
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  21. Old Geezer

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    If you're not a good little socialist, the banks will not allow you to be a customer.

    " ‘Cancelling the Countryside’: Shooting Clubs, Gun Shops ‘Treated Like Criminals’ in Debanking Scandal"


    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...-treated-like-criminals-in-debanking-scandal/

    "Shooting businesses including shops and clubs have blown the whistle on their treatment at the hands of cancel-happy banks, which have been embroiled in a ‘debanking’ scandal revealed by Nigel Farage last year.

    "British countryside stalwarts like gun shops, shooting syndicates, and gun clubs are being 'treated like criminals' by big banks that are 'cancelling the countryside', they claim, with the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) reporting a third of such businesses have had their accounts closed, and two-thirds have struggled to open new accounts.

    "15 different UK-operating banks are implicated in the claims, British legacy-conservative newspaper the Daily Telegraph reports. The paper notes gun clubs and shops are being treated like 'sex workers' by banks apparently using any pretext to withdraw essential banking services from businesses that don’t meet their social standards.

    "The association warned against banks 'discriminating against perfectly legal and respectable accounts that have been run for years on a proper basis', which they said was damaging. The body said: 'Financial service providers are cancelling the countryside… You wouldn’t expect your water electricity or gas to be shut down because of your interest in shooting so why should banks be allowed to get away with politicising fundamental financial services to the taxpayers that not that long ago bailed them out.' ”
     
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  22. Blitz

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    What do you mean by "fiat"?
     
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  23. Blitz

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    I'm intrigued by your references in your posts to "my lady friend". I'm not sure if she's your girlfriend, partner or casual friend. Hahahaha!

    Getting back to the topic concerned - when I was in the previous abode, I did some shopping in town but all the EFT was down, so it was either cash or no sale. Really irritating, as people had to scramble to the ATM to get cash. I had to get some scripts from the chemist, so had no choice but to get cash from the ATM but other than essentials (milk and bread) I didn't bother to get anything else. Too inconvenient.

    The concept has gradually and insidiously crept in.

    Tough titty if you just got petrol from a servo and couldn't pay by card!
     
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  24. Blitz

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    That's atrocious! I'm speechless. (For once, hahahaha!)
     
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  25. watcherchris

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    It will be coming here to the USA as well...give it a bit more time.

    Someone here secretly running the USA government would like to make us subjects with privileges ....granted by the Sovereign....and not rights from God. To make us into Englishmen.,,,,Subjects.

    The Banks here too will be in on it as is our phony media....and of course leadership.

    If we as Americans cannot be trusted to be armed.....mentally, spiritually, as well as physically.....why would we be so dumb as to think we can be trusted with a vote?????


    Someone out there is working very very hard to rig the upcoming election.....by keeping Trump off the ballots in certain states....
    Thus demonstrating to me that we cannot in fact be trusted with our vote.
    No PHD needed here to work this one out.!!!

    Someone here ....not elected and not appointed...is working very very hard...desperately so to rig the coming 2024 Election...they have no choice....it is the same MO as in the 2020 election..they had no choice back then as well.
    The same "usual suspects" doing the same pattern of operation ...rigging our governmental systems for their profit....control.

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  26. Blitz

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    It's unusual that Aus has taken the lead on a cashless society. Normally we're around 10 years behind the US. It's a pity we're not in this instance!
     
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  27. lonewolf

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    cash will be king when TSHTF, once the power grid goes down card readers and ATM's wont work only cash .
    if you cant pay for it you cant buy it. having some cash on hand will ensure you dont go without.
     
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  28. Blitz

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    Totally lonewolf. It's going to be an absolute disaster. There are so many bank branches here where you can't withdraw cash. They do "other" banking stuff. What I have no idea. They may as well shut up shop altogether. I've never heard anything as ridiculous as a bank not having money. It's ludicrous!
     
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  29. lonewolf

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    the local bank branch closed many years ago, the building is now the health centre.
    if we want a bank branch we have to travel to another town 10 miles away and there is only 1 bank left there.
    if I need an ATM I go to the farm supply store in that town rather than go to the bank, parking is easier there.
     
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  30. Blitz

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    Just out of interest, how much do the ATMs charge to withdraw there? Here, if we use an ATM that is bank specific, i.e. Barclays, they don't charge but if we use a different ATM we get charged $2.50.
     
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  31. lonewolf

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    NO they are all free of charge, in my area anyway.
     
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  32. Blitz

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    Oh wow. That's great. I couldn't remember if they charged or not.
     
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  33. lonewolf

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    they did at one time, in the non bank specific ones but at the moment they are all free.
     
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  34. poltiregist

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    --- November 1st. at least one major bank in the country of Australia will go cashless . The plan appears to be accepting only computer generated exchanges . For those short on time this is addressed , beginning about halfway through this already short video and continues on this topic to the end of the video .
     
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  35. lonewolf

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    is that even legal? some of us dont bank online and get our cash at an ATM.
    NatWest are doing something similar, if you want more than you can get out of a cash dispenser they want to know what you want it for and I hear they are asking for invoices and receipts, its our money in their bank, they seem to have forgotten this.
     
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  36. watcherchris

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    I don't think the average people/person out here understands the scope of what is going on in the economy.

    If you look at any nations economy.....like a pie.....a full pie....and everyone drawing goods and services out of it.......

    But......


    Some of us get goods and services by a process of labor...risk taking.....while paying taxes out of our earnings...directly....on our labors.......

    Then on the other hand....governments gets all the monies they want by borrowing on a deficit.....and then creating monies....accounts out of which to draw......and spend out of the same economy as us.......without work and without risks.....you now have the basis of a rigged economy.

    The reason for wanting to know what you are spending your monies on ....and or how much is that government does not want you to be destabilizing the economy more than they are destabilizing the economy by deficit spending....money creation.

    In short this is a rigged economy...not a free market economy wherein government is the determiner of how and why things go a certain way. This is not free market but a rigged economy and you are not going to be allowed to be an out of control spender/competitor in the economy they are trying to control/rig...for political capital...votes.

    Remember back when these government geniuses wanted to know what you were doing spending over $650 in the economy. This is in fact rigging the economy.

    The problem in case you have not fathomed it out...is that when you have "Experts" in an economy taking measurements on this or that........you get these same "Experts" deciding that they want to increase this ..or decrease that.....and now you need new regulations and or controls in order to make the new numbers come out right.....this is not free market .....this is a rigged controlled market in favor of these "Experts" or whomever or whatever these "Experts" are serving..

    Are you ever supposed to be able to think this far on your own...without permission of your betters????

    If government will rig the marketplace.....for certain favor...would they also do so with an election...for certain favors???? For whomever or whatever is your real government???

    Again...are you ever supposed to think this far without permission of your betters????

    Da Tovarich????


    Be warned these Ishmaelites.....in and out of government....


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  37. watcherchris

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    The huge problem with cash...lonewolf...is that it has built in...the ability to operate outside of the traceability section of the economy....someone cannot see or trace what you are buying and how much..

    Again the problem with political "Experts" is that they tend to want to rig/control how much you consume...

    This is not free market..it is controlled rigged markets.


    This is also part of the basis of my so often stating that we will be coming in second, third, and or fourth place in our own countries....while working and taking risks for first place.


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites.....playing god...with our economies....and or money systems.....in essence with our very souls...


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  38. Brownbear

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    I've just noticed your question o this Blitz.

    Most money is "Gold Standard' which means that for every note printed there is an equivalent value of gold in the vaults of the state bank (in the UK that would be the Bank of England). Fiat currency is where money is printed without a gold reserve so, effectively it is made up money. The issue with Fiat currency is that it exposes a country's banking system to collapse as there is no tangible support for it.
     
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  39. watcherchris

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    Blitz.....about the "Gold Standard" and having an equivalent amount of gold in vaults...

    First thing....this is too often a hoax....it is not a one for one on note values and gold or precious metals in vaults....it is often way more paper notes and denominations in circulation than gold or precious metals in vaults.

    This in books and publications means...or is interpreted as backing for the currency....


    The thing for you to know or realize is that for instance....the four real American Silver Dollars I have currently in my pocket....at 90% silver each.....21.6 carats of silver each.......what backs them..???? You see.....it is the metal in them ...which is the money and needs no backing.

    Real monies/currency needs no backing....ever....real monies speaks for itself...it is complete..whole...

    What real monies does....is that it leaves government and other controlling/regulating agencies out of the money systems ..and holds them accountable. They cannot, under a real solid money system, create currency out of nothing and then spend it in our economies way ahead of everyone else who must labor and take risks in their livelihoods.

    Thus the people come in first place ...and the government last place...fiscally ...also government must needs live more within a budget...because they can be called for the real monies....solid precious metal currency. And solid precious metal monies cannot be created out of nothing.

    In a fiat currency this is reversed and the government/politics comes first and the people too often last....place....because government gets all the monies they need by paper fiat or phony numbers created in accounts...without labor and without risk on the part of government.

    That Blitz...is the dirty little secret no one wants us ever to know and for us to trust "Experts."

    "Experts" who will never go into the arena I am describing.....


    Real monies never needs backing....ever... Real monies is whole....complete....and speaks for itself.


    Years ago....the US Treasury department put out a publication ....titled "Modern Money Mechanics" in which they declared that what backs our monies or currency has little but book keeping significance.

    I found this declaration by the US Treasury to be very very telling about the bigger picture.

    It is not just the US Treasury doing this and so carrying on in phony unbacked fiat monies/currency...but all governments and in particularly western governments.


    Notice also that many non Western Governments ...Russia , China, and others are buying up gold.....Western Governments and in particular ..the USA are not.

    This is very very telling to me about the nature of what is going on out here in many events now transpiring.....because all events have an effect on nations and their economies.

    And we see this happening often when we go to the stores with no end in sight...increasing prices...instability.....and it is going to get worse..by design.....simply because most western governments cannot stop deficit spending by phony money creation.

    But you members make up your own minds and for your own reasons...


    Real monies never needs backing......ever.... Real money is complete within itself.....and never needs backing....ever.!!!!


    Another thing most here in the West do not know....
    And that is that Muammar Kaddafi of Libya had amassed a significant amount of gold and was increasing the value of his monies in that country. He also had plans to issue his own gold coinage in Libya....a huge no no in a banking system dependent on fiat money controls.

    Kaddafi was also doing something else very very unique...two things actually...

    He was drilling wells in Libya.....not for oil ..but for water.....and finding it ..building huge reservoirs and planning to green many areas of Libya.

    The other very very dangerous thing that Mummar Kaddafi was doing...is that he was teaching other African leaders to do the same and get separated from dependence and control of the Western Banking systems.


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites in leadership positions...and their drunken money creation out of nothing...used/misused to keep and maintain control over the herd....and our liberties....our economies...our freedoms.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  40. watcherchris

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    I also believe that Donald Trump knows this ...about our money systems .

    I have heard that there were long range plans to break up the Treasury and Federal Reserve Banking system...

    And going to another money system which would put limits on government spending and make government more accountable.....putting the people first ....place....and not the government.


    And this....to me...is why Trump is so disliked by people in both political parties...as they know what is in store should he be elected in November....and they want nothing of the kind...for it would severely curb their spending power and thus control over America. And so too the real secret Deep State owners of this nation who really run and own our leadership...they too do not want Donald Trump to be elected into office in November.

    Donald Trump is disliked by certain people and groups ...just as was Mummar Kaddafi..
    And for similar reasons....he does not want to follow the Deep State program...and thinks he will be a real President....a real leader.

    This will never be allowed in a rigged...phony fiat system......ever...

    Be very warned of these Ishmaelites..


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    There's not enough gold, silver, palladium, platinum, rhodium, ... to back-up the US dollar or any other Western fiat currency.

    Tens of trillions, hundreds of trillions, quadrillions, quintillions, ... it's all "funny money" / paper / JK flip-flops / "let's pretend".

    If national banks go digital, the people will lose all trust. Maybe not the city-folk, but then, they are just sheep.

    All this will do is push people who were once trusting of government script into the black market. Alcohol prohibition really worked, didn't it. :rolleyes:

    People cheat. What's big government gonna do, put a soldier on every street corner?! They barely can pay people in uniform now. People will trade in whatever bartering system develops.

    Why do humans cherish gemstones? All they are translucent colored rocks, but because they are rare and difficult to come by, they are given great value. Go figure. Humans are not rational beings.

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    Actually OG humans are more rational than it first appears. The psychological theory of wanting expensive "stuff", hoarding etc is really quite simple and goes back to a time when we humans were early in our development and we lived "hand to mouth". As they moved through the landscape early hunter gatherers took what they found. If they came across a bush covered in berries they would eat all of them, make a kill, eat the lot, all of it. That was survival at its most raw, no different from the animals. As humans settled into agrarianism the ability to store food came along (it had to, plants do not provide food all year round, if they did not store food they died) and that led to the storage and cherishing of other items, good hunting tools etc and we see carved goods get larger rather than just beads etc.

    Move forward thousands of years to the modern day and what have we got? Modern descendants of those agrarians, storing food in a freezer rather than a pit in the ground, cookers rather than smoking food over an open fire. But it is still the same. It is why so many of us are overweight, it is in our intrinsic sense of survival to eat whatever we find to eat, old habits die hard. When it comes to expensive gems, pricey cars etc that is simply a display of wealth that is really saying to others "look I have enough to survive the winter". It is a show of power just as a good kill ahead of a harsh winter would show power in the hunting/gathering days. Are people who buy and keep gems deluded? Maybe. but maybe not. This is a preppers forum. What do peppers do? Well they store stuff for the hard times, nowadays that could be a nuclear winter rather just a long cold winter, but the principle is exactly the same, the psychology is unchanged. If anything in a superficially prodigious society prepping is foolish, if nothing goes wrong we will survive the winter without touching our stores.

    We are not that different from our ancestors.
     
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      Well said BB.
       
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  43. lonewolf

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    agree with the above but I think most people are vastly different to our ancestors, most rely on a system that is fragile to say the least with little or no backup, most people would be out of food within 1 week some within days if the food supply system collapsed, most dont know where their food comes from so getting more is impossible.
     
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      Actually, I REALLY like your post. These "human" bipods we witness in this day and age would NEVER survive in the wild. Medical science kept them alive long enough to breed. What an unholy shame that. Poor breeding.
       
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  44. Old Geezer

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    "Actually OG humans are more rational than it first appears."

    No they're not.

    One undergrad major was psychology. Done clinical practicums therein. Once worked a job in that realm. Yuck! Lifetime observer of these human thingies. They leave MUCH to be desired. Little wonder that space aliens wish to have NO contact.

    Have I run into quality examples of humans? Sure. Very small percentage of general population is noteworthy in the positive realm, however. I've had coursework in genetics, even in genetic counseling. Worked the ward. Sad. Depressing. Any trip to any Walmart is always some manner of clinical study -- kind'a not kidding about that. Once in an airport, spotted a male Turner Syndrome (males rarely seen) in a Marine uniform. For cannon-fodder, they'll take anything.

    Evolution: Higher IQ humans didn't take it all. When hunting with paternal grandfather and finding little game, we'd gather ramps. He impressed upon me that one should never devastate a wild crop. This was to ensure the future. My kin lived at least into their 80s, some 90s, one grandmother made it to age 100. Stupid or in any way inferior = death before reproduction. My kin survived all manner of fatal infections (scarlet fever, typhoid, other fevers) to live into adulthood.

    Where my kin came from, weakness of body or mind = death.
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    I have done plenty of people watching especially in the last 30 years and my conclusion is that most people are stupid, not everybody but a huge proportion are, left to their own devices and without state help most would perish in a short time frame.
     
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    Yes.

    Totally sad. Sickening.

    It's easy to see a mass die-off in the near future.

    I'm glad I'm aging-out. All of this is just too depressing.
     
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    once the food delivery system collapses, probably due to a power failure or collapse, the die off will be huge.
     
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    You are reminding me, Olde Geezer, of some of the Engineers wherein I am employed who have quit...put in their papers and retired....they did not look forward to working with this new generation of Engineers who have their degrees but little else...and definitely little common sense....

    They think the whole package is what they got in school.

    Do not misunderstand me.....would that I have a much higher education that I currently possess.....but I have worked with some engineers who are a bit scary. You would never want to be around them if they had a wrench in their hands.


    You are also reminding me Olde Geezer ...of a Archeology story I read years and years ago....of a cave excavation out west in the more desert arid regions of this country. Those doing the science work/excavation were digging up what they realized was a trash pit in this cave....from way way back in native American Indian times.
    A cave often used for shelter in their seasonal travels or migrations...north and then south.

    As they got down to the bottom of this pit...they found some kind of woven material...they could not identify.

    Eventually another scientist came along and looked at it for awhile and stated....those look like very primitive duck decoys.

    This caused the team to call in a map guy who studied the terrain outside the cave and declared yes..way back ....probably centuries ago...there was a lake outside this cave..


    I found that narrative to be very very interesting...and also illustrative that not everyone in the sciences and or education/disciplines is on the ball per se...


    Thanks again for reminding me of such stories.


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