Civil War

Good morning Old Geezer,

Anything of necessity, as determined by the authorities, is subject to transfer to governmental org. Fair compensation will be provided for ... later. Skyline Drive, Virginia was built this way also.

Anything of need for continuity of Government, whether it be a supply trailer, a boat, coins, medical/dental supplies is subject to confiscation with fair market compensation provided for.

Specifically, planning to arrange medical treatment by professional medics in a somewhat clinical facility with sterile area, will be as restricted as entry into a Tennessee Valley Authority bunker.

Like that baseball guy, I'm calling 'em as I see 'em.

 

Olde Geezer...

Wow....

https://goldswitzerland.com/maldistribution-of-wealth-silver-investment-of-the-decade/


That link you posted explains much to me in particular about the desperation behind this election come November..

This explains why Trump and Company are going after the Fed...for it is the lifeline of these banks which are pushing globalism.......on the US Government/peoples breast. Tied into this is our never ending support for China which I believe is one of the Globalist Creations...part of their money pump. China is their baby...

This explains much of the lefts globalism/Internationalism/Socialism/Communism..

My read of history..is that John Maynard Keynes was one of the very few Westerners allowed into Russia post Revolution to help set up their central banking system...very similar to ours.

When Putin took over...he changed the taxing system which is an very important duality behind the phony fiat central banking system to keep the value of the fiat monies solvent..giving more monies back to the people..not to the banking system or taking monies out of the private sector to keep their banking system and thus the government solvent....by keeping the money solvent while over printing/issuing for government expenditures..

I believe Trump and Company are trying to do the same....Private sector...not government/central banking support.

This election appears to be for all the marbles...

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

People who are going to make it on their own will have to be able to perform medical procedures on themselves, their spouses, and their children. Open fracture, you'll have to deal with it. Appendicitis you get to do the surgery. Third degree burns, you gotta take care of it.

It's one thing to get sick, it is another when a sharp fractured bone rips out of the flesh.

Oh by the by, veterinarians make the best emergency physicians for humans. Since many large animal vets live out in rural areas or immediately adjacent to rural areas, they are accustomed to taking veggies and meat in payment. Large animal vets are the folk with the largest freezers. Large animal vets will never want for electricity either -- the local farmers and their big electrical generators will make sure of that.

Humans form packs. We are frighteningly similar to wolves. We and canines co-evolved.

https://www.livingwithwolves.org/about-wolves/social-wolf/
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I was raised in the world of the black market. Truth be told, were there no black markets, today's "civilizations" would collapse. Who took over when the USSR finally collapsed? The mobs. Ultimate mob boss = Putin.

The real economy is under the table. I had jobs when a kid wherein I got a check (Forestry Service, Dept of Agriculture checks). Mostly however, I always got paid in cash. I watched movies in a closed-down balcony area and didn't pay money to watch the flicks. I hauled popcorn bags and 5-gal buckets of popcorn oil up and down flights of steps; concession <=> storage. I also kept lookout from the balcony on the known perverts who would slither in off the streets -- I'd report them to "the guys", "the guys" handled the rest. One time, I missed spotting a perv, I just missed him, honest mistake, got chewed out for that honest mistake, sh##, I was only 14 or 15, gimme a break.

Real deals are cut after hours -- which is to say during daylight (cat houses and make-do casinos count their money during morning hours, i.e. when not doing business). The smell of stale beer is in my head right now. When you are just a kid, smells get wired into your brain.

I knew the crews who were the real pay-masters of the city council members, the state congressmen. Spend $350,000 dollars on electioneering to get a job that pays $68,000/yr. Yeah sure, they did it to "serve their community." Human nature is dark ... much like a wolf-pack.

"I'll do this for you, if you will do that for me." Hard times = barter. Ask physicians who practiced in Eastern Europe before the Soviet strangle-hold collapsed. I have. They will tell you about hell days. Get paid under the table to feed the kids? Doc.s ain't stupid, doc.s got kids.

During a Civil War, during any hell years, people will revert to behavioral patterns that most spoiled folk haven't witnessed. Ask returning veterans how things are run in war zones among the locals. This will be OUR world and maybe we are on the verge of it right now. The people who have seen bad things on TV will not be able to endure. They couldn't make it on their own and they do not know how to deal with wolf packs. Might makes right.
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I personally know a stack of physicians and they know me, but none are family members. Therefore I'd have to reimburse one of these doc.s were I to get them to treat a family member. Fair is fair.

 

Should Kamala get to be president (brain dead Biden will have to resign if elected), know that she will be extraordinarily biased.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article...nd-sanctuary-in-S-F-3276361.php#photo-2338171

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ute-ms-13-gang-member-before-bologna-murders/

"As Biden’s running mate, Harris supports a national sanctuary policy that would shield arrested illegal aliens from being turned over to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency for deportation proceedings.

"Instead, the Biden-Harris plan advocates an amnesty for all 11 to 22 million illegal aliens living in the U.S. modeled on the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program which has lenient eligibility requirements."

Bringing in swarms of people will drag down our already bankrupt economy. To those out there who are not members of this site, this information should further motivate you to get ready for the worst. If a SHTF event happens, immigrants will grab what they can grab and head back to their home countries to feed their families. Human behavior is human behavior. If you can't protect what you have, then you do not own what you have. The police will NOT be there to help you. Indeed, the Democratic Socialists will further hobble law enforcement and military.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-house-candidate-defund-the-pentagon
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Most will survive. Physicians have necessary skills. Let's say that all police stop being police. All that physicians need do is treat the families of people good with guns. I would fight for a physician who worked to keep my family alive. Somebody attacks the person treating my family, I make the attacker(s) "go away".

If they get overwhelmed, they will have to scoot. Hurricane Katrina looters hit the Tulane Medical School and hospital. I've been trying to find this specific info on the web, but the web is getting "cleaned" by the socialists. Finding articles on looting post-Katrina is easy enough, however the absolute hell of the hospital itself is being wiped. National Guard had to be brought in to put down the rioters and save the hospital. Hospitals in New Orleans did not bounce back -- too much damage.

Socialist reports on general looting include ...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9131493/n...ck/t/looters-take-advantage-new-orleans-mess/

Here's some info on how bad it got at the teaching hospitals to include Tulane:

http://europepmc.org/article/PMC/1863583

" ... Our disaster plan was just based on the people on call being available. Whoever was on call went into the hospital for that weekend. I would never do that again. We had young children in house whose mothers or fathers were on call and armed looters in the first floor of one of our buildings. Our security guards are armed both with shotguns and rifles and New Orleans police-trained. They had to take women and children and place them in a secure site and guard them. Fortunately, the drug seekers never came into the hospital proper, as the pharmacy was on the first floor of a peripheral building. If you don't have your security people armed, during a disaster, I would strongly recommend that you do. ..."

"... Despite the confusion, both MCLNO and Tulane's hospital personnel did a remarkable job of evacuating so many seriously ill patients under such difficult conditions. Indeed, the evacuation of patients from “Charity Hospital” (MCLNO) had to be halted on Thursday after the facility came under sniper fire on two separate occasions, and armed looters threatened medics and over-turned one of the boats."

I had to go to Europe to find an article about America. You'd think that the people re-writing history would contact their fellow-travelers in Europe and "clean-up" this sort of information. Bizarre days.
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Olde Geezer...

That is precisely what the Olde Timers taught me...though they phrased it a bit different.

They said that the black market is the real white market..

The marketplace is not what the government declares...the marketplace is what it takes to get real goods and services...

When the government market does not work or function..another marketplace automatically comes into play and works....

The so called black market place.

Goverment has worked very hard to dumb people down into thinking the government marketplace is the white market...,it is not.

As long as prices and supply do not get too far out of line....the Black Market does not arise.......but if it goes/gets out of line and supply cannot meet demand.....the black market comes into play.

You have to become educated into stupid to believe that nonsense about the black market......by government.,

In Soviet Russia...the black market was one of the few operating marketplaces where in goods and services could be found for the right price.,..

In the Soviet government marketplaces you often had a government price but very few goods and services were available.


This information was verily concealed and hidden from most Americans and only came to light when the Iron Curtain fell as to how barren were their official government stores ...for most people...
You had to believe by phonies in our own government that Russia was a super power.....and be affrighted of a country which could not keep the shelves filled except in certain political party stores frequented by only the party elite.
What a scam and it is still going on with Russian Collusion...

It is Chinese Collusion..not Russian Collusion.

It was hidden by our government .....on and to us.....we are and have been played...conned and it is continuing today...right now.


You do not need to be a genius today to understand this...just go to any store in your town or the next town/city and try to find Russian made goods and services....at any price....and notice the silence of our own government and or education/leadership on this ......check it out for yourself...

No Russian Cars..., cell phones, laptops...refrigerators....etc etc etc..\

Once you know to look for the silence it is deafening...

The liars and phonies are here in our own government ....in both political parties...


The Black marketplace is the true marketplace.....and will work when other marketplaces will not ...


My own father and mother told me this about life and marketplaces after WW2...when so many ordinary people were gong to the black market to get items not found or available in the government marketplaces.


Be warned of carefully cultivated Ishmaelite ignorance....upon a whole generation of Americans....who have not a clue..


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

Subject buckshot; during civil war; no police protection; National Guard Unit locations unknown except for designated cities, troop not showing up just taking care of their own families; situation very critical; fiat currencies have lost all value; situation beyond riots and looting; packs and swarms have formed to gather supplies by any means necessary; city centers wiped out of supplies and many suburban neighborhoods cleaned-out of supplies; civilian casualties now in the tens/hundreds of thousands; millions seeking shelter; FEMA totally overwhelmed; Pacific to Atlantic seeing total desperation among the people resulting in massively abnormal behavioral patterns.

Sounds like one needs 00 buckshot? Maybe. Maybe not. What about #1 buckshot, #2, #4 buckshot?

How do you best handle swarms of people? What is the best buckshot loads to fill the air with lead?

According to a just-received short wave radio xmission from your group's perimeter, there are over 150 people in a swarm that are heading your way using a state highway. Your crew consists of 12 people, nine of which are able to effectively use their weapons. You guys have commandeered a brick business building with eight offices and a garage/warehouse area that is not so very large. Part of the building is fenced-in, but not the entirety of the 2-acre lot. Your folk have plenty of ammunition.

Many of the attackers are on foot, because they only have three working trucks and due to the reality that fuel is so difficult to obtain. The trucks are carrying looted supplies and large cans of fuel that has been stolen from vehicles (hand cranked pumps being used to access in-ground tanks, plus fuel gathered by ice-picking car & truck fuel tanks). One truck pulls a rather large trailer full of supplies.

As the looting crew approaches, designated groups swarm houses to gather whatever they can gather. The looters have enough weapons to dispatch any armed home-owners.

So far, this method of engagement has worked semi-well for this crew of attackers. They started off their looting journey with over 500 people, but now are down to this 150 people who are strong, tested by fire, and just downright mean. In sum, they've lost their humanity and have lost any care for the lives of other people; many of them have shot kids.

How will your crew of 12 -- actually 9 -- engage them? Will you wait until they get close or will you engage at distance?

Smart folk will send in aimed fire with scoped center-fire rifles. The engine blocks / radiators of the trucks must be destroyed. Leaders, if they can be identified, must be eliminated.

This response of your crew is effective, but doesn't stop the masses of them. One would imagine that any sane crew would just say, "Let's just head someplace else!" Yet these folk have turned into "something else". No, don't think zombies -- they're not zombies, but apparently they feel like they have nothing to lose. Normal psychological responses among them were lost 100 miles ago.

One of their trucks makes it to cover. They split and head for your flanks. They do have some semi-automatic center-fire rifles, however their proficiency with them is marginal. Their only strength now lies in swarming coupled with some cover fire.

So now, even with all of your efforts being effective, you are still having to engage two swarms of them at close distance. You now go for your shotgun loads.

Do you want to use 00 or smaller pellet sizes as mentioned above? Me, given that we have no shortages of ammunition and plenty of buckshot size choices, I grab the #2 buckshot, maybe even the diminutive #4 buckshot loads. Why? I want to fill the air with as much lead as possible. I'm not thinking so much about killing as disabling. The more pellets, the higher the likelihood that I will injure. Again, I wish to injure, to disable.

Injuries that really compromise the enemy's ability to continue to attack include loss of eyesight, injuries to genitalia and groin wounds, non-invasive skull fractures (think BB gun hitting glass, the BB does not go through the glass, but it sends pieces of glass into the building, in this case, the brain), injury to major joints -- especially knees and hips.

Often we think, "What is going to kill this critter?". We think this way because we are hunters. In an attack situation, we must think of disabling the enemy by any means necessary and very quickly so. If all I could do is put out their eyes (shotgun shot or laser or shattering pieces of wood blasted about), I would be overjoyed. Taking out a knee and making them fall, then limp slowly = GREAT!!!

In this situation, what is desperately needed is to put a halt to their forward progress. If they are out there screaming, well they are out there doing it. Good, stay there, scream away. If someone comes to their aid, I'll use an accurate rifle to drop the person offering aid. In this situation, they would take zero heed of our raising a white flag, therefore I care naught for their suffering. Surviving wars is a nasty business. A gag reflex could get you killed.

 

These concepts also apply to suburban dwellers who are insufficiently prepared, nevertheless have purchased shotguns. What to do when the savages are descending on your homes?!

First, engage them at distance in some attempt to send a message that you are not averse to defending that which you poured-out your life's blood to acquire to raise your kids. If they are wise they will not continue their aggression. Should they continue rain-down lead upon them at velocity. I and my home have been on dozens of occasions hit with birdshot spent out of its velocity. Buckshot is another matter. It's weight gives it continuing momentum. Saturate the hordes of savages with smaller gauge buckshot. You need not kill them, however the aggressors must know pain. If they lose an eye or two, oh boo-hoo. Maybe they will come to understand that attacking the children of God has consequences.

If they get too close, then 00 buckshot comes into play.

They have turned from God. You are protecting your family. The family is the foundation of civilization. The family has been ordained by God through His Prophets. Your acts are Righteous. They have spat in the face of the Almighty. They have come to His justice themselves. God is the all-Knowing, the Most-Just. God's Mercy lies with you, not them.
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Anyway, any idea when the earliest we will get some vote count result that really matter? I'm aware it take times to get all the vote counted, but I wish to see some early result to get a feel of it.

 

I am not sure when the electoral votes will start flowing in . However it appears if the Democrats fall short of their needed votes , they are prepared to start pulling votes out of thin air to pull them across the finish line . No matter how the vote goes it appears we are on the brink of a civil war between the Patriots and the Communist .

 

Sadly I think you are right. I think that if they try to steal it as I suspect they've been scheming to do for the last couple years, the Patriots in this country are not going to stand by to be marched off to reeducation camps in 4 or 6 months when Joe steps asides or suddenly dies so Kamala Cabal can step in as your new dictator.

 

This election will greatly speed-up the division of the USA into separate regions. I've been looking at maps online that depict what people feel will be the dividing lines. I can't say that I've found one that I feel would be the end result; however, I've found some interesting maps that could be somewhat accurate. The USA will not actually fracture until the U.S. dollar hyperinflates out of having any perceived value. Fiat currencies have only perceived value. Paper or computer bytes have value only if the IOU can be exchanged for a real item.

I'll withhold comment on these maps. These are simply to stimulate thoughts, nothing more. Me, all I can see is a bunch of chaos for a good long while.

 

Continued

 

Good afternoon Old Geezer,

Just glanced at the maps.

I see the divide as less geographic and much more so being functional.

For example, "Virginia" has areas in the Northern Virginia Autonomous Oblast which are distinct and antagonistic to the rest of area. The couple of counties around Quantico, have an opposite complexion to those housing Federal civil service workers.

Gadsden mil - Virginia has a special license plate for those wanting one for their vehicle.

If Florida is listed on one of the maps as "CSA", confederate Texas and Louisiana not ?!

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I'm no optimist but do see Trump in his second administration cleaning up the rest of the mess. Once the checks stop flowing ... think of the Univ of California system and the Cal State system ... the cleansing action will start. Plus, more gardeners are needed.

 

The thing that strikes me about the possibility of a second civil war is trying to decide exactly around who and where the lines will be drawn. Honestly, the primary division in the US these days is not as much a regional divide as it is a philosophical one. More than a North/south divide we have a big city urban versus more rural/suburban. In Texas for example Houston is infested with liberals that left the North when the Auto industry crashed and brought their insanity with them. They vote liberal and will if allowed turn Houston into another big nasty piss hole if allowed. When they move in they brought the liberal policing practices with them and the crime rate skyrocketed in lots of areas there. When i was young I used to love to go to Houston to party. the places that I liked are now not good places to be after the sun goes down. When Texas as a state passed the right to carry law the City of Houston tried to pass laws refuting that state right. Liberals love and gotta protect their criminals.

ANYWAY, I don't see the split being a national line split like in the civil war. or one thing they might rule Washington, but the not so liberal military has very few limp wristed liberals and almost none below the level of Bird Colonel. Sadly above that level, you have a lot of political appointees that got that star because of their political connections rather than their military actions. How do you have a civil war when there are no real physical dividing lines?

What I see, rather than a CIVIL war might be a national level riot. The criminal element all over the nation will suddenly run head-on into what they have encountered in places like Texas. We had exactly one liberal incited issue. It happened in Austin, a place that will be a small town if you killed all of the liberals, criminals, politicians, and idiots. A stupid liberal protestor ran up to a car carrying an assault rifle and tried to assault a couple in a car. The male driver shot him dead! I understand that his wife didn’t get in a shot because the guy went down before she could get a shot off. That was the END of liberal riots in Texas.

When the police stop protecting the criminal minority they will last about as long as firecrackers in a forest fire. The liberal will do as they always do and crawl back into their holes and hide until the next time that the more conservative majority becomes once again so weak and stupid as to allow them to run anything. Liberals are mostly just mouths that run until someone puts a fist in their face. The rioters are the criminal element that is always there but kept under control by the conservative element. When the cops start shooting and killing them again if they resist arrest or especially if they fight with or try to harm a cop or a citizen they will crawl in those same holes with the liberals.

We have become weak and allowed the liberals to twist our nation into something that the real constitution would never have allowed. When the sleeping conservative lion reawakens the liberals, like rats in a burning house, will disappear because simply put they are mostly cowards that will not fight for their beliefs. They will encourage and allow the criminal element to riot and burn the places that hardworking conservatives have built but in general, they are not going to do the dirty work for themselves.

Do you have any idea what the survival rate for gang bangers will be when the conservatives that hunt start hunting THEM??? A punk with a spray and pray automatic pistol or assault rifle won’t stand a chance against someone with a scoped deer rifle that will headshot them from 2 or 3 hundred yards away. The military uses those weapons as a part of an organized overall plan. Gangs are anything BUT organized and base their ideas on how to do things on TV and not knowledge. The Germans had some of the best weapons available in their times but they were decimated by the Russians that were fighting with Mosin-Nagant bolt action rifles left over from WW1. One well-placed kill shot will win over 20 spray and pray rounds at any distance over 50 yards almost every time. Without their heavy artillery to soften up and thin out the resistance they were in trouble before they could close and finish their enemy. Between that and the brutal Russian winter they never stood much of a chance. In the end horses and old school, rifles were just the right thing for that time and place over the Germans much higher-tech weapons and machine-based transportation.

This will be what the gangs and idiot rioters will run head-on into when things break down. They are too undisciplined to be effective as a group and in a one on one sort of violence, the hunter will beat the spray and pray thug before the thug ever gets a chance. Even when they do close then they will run into the plan be of all hunters. Inside of 50 yards, a good pump or automatic 12ga shotgun is a one-hit and it is over weapon while the assault rifles and 9mm autos are shooting mostly FMJ rounds that are specifically designed to NOT kill as much as injuring their target.

In any sort of civil war, those with military or military-type training and experience will be way ahead of those that are basing their tactics and ideas on TV and movies. Have you ever noticed how in fiction the good guys stand out in the open waving their machine gun around killing the bad guys that always jump out in the open and get shot before they ever get off an aimed round? The good guy’s gun never jams and never runs out of ammo so the bad guys that have to jump out in the open to try and fire just never get a chance. Sorry folks that isn’t how it goes.

This sort of thing was also a big part of the problem that the British ran into in the American Revolution. They were far superior in the set battles and easily took the cities but in the end the winter and the Americans ability to fight in those conditions were not something that the British forces could deal with. They would get lined up and a bunch of them would get shot but the “cowardly” American revolutionaries would then fade away and refuse to enter into the field of battle. The thing that Washington thrived on was ambush tactics and then attacking at times when the British have basically in their minds called for a time out. Washington liked to hit them when they were in their bedrolls or just sitting around in camp trying to stay warm.

In the end, it was the COST of trying to fight a battle on two fronts that ended the American revolution. They tried it again later but by that time the USA had firmed up and fought as a nation and not a few rebels against a major military force in a place where most people were not all that involved.

The American Civil war was in some ways similar in that most people in the North didn’t fight. The population of the South was small in comparison and that was an ongoing issue. A New American Civil war will be VASTLY different. The thugs won’t respect the rights of noncombatants and so everyone in their area will fight. The liberals are a lot like small yapping dogs and when things turn ugly they are going to run and hide leaving their less intelligent supporters hanging out to die.

The major cities where they congregate will become DEATH traps with no food, no clean water and almost no real organization. The Cops which the liberals depend on to do their dirty work are going to fade out to protect and care for THEIR families and probably be the first ones OUT. They unlike many KNOW how thin the line is between our civilizations and total anarchy really is.

During all wars, the major cities always are torn to the ground. They can only exist though when enough people are willing to work hard and the GIVE away most of their hard-earned wages in the form of foods, and manufactured goods to an ever-growing nonworking minority that want to become a MAJORITY. American Companies now have a hard time competing on an international level because they are massively top heavy with highly paid endless levels of “supervisors” and their numerous support staff.

When this world stumbles it will go all the way down and into a dead pile of broken dreams. Those that work will stop sharing as soon as the system that forces them to share stops doing it. They will go on working because that is what they do but those that now just sit and do nothing are going to have it TOUGH. Seriously, how much supervision do you think a farmer or mechanic, or carpenter really needs??? The huge, massive infrastructure that it takes to keep our culture organized and operating just won’t be needed in a world without power and 8 billion people to boss around.

We have created an unimaginably wonderful world but as people always do, we, as soon as we stop building, start to tear it down. That seems to just be the nature of man. We have risen to a point never before seen. There is NO real reason for anyone to be hungry now. We as a people throw away and destroy more than we need to feed and care for the population of this world… and even with this, the richest nation on Earth, we can see that if we as a people stumble, even for a split second the wolves will tear our throats out and it will be over.

Maybe if we can fall now, before we totally destroy this planet, we can rise again someday and be more than we are now…animals that walk on two legs…

 

Looking at electoral result so far, it potentially Biden win. But I kept my Forex in JPY at the moment and wait how things going. If only UK still in the EU I might consider putting some chip in GBP unfortunately they aren't

https://www.reuters.com/live-events/election-2020-15-id2942501

 

It depends on where you go to look. The places that I have looked to seem to be indicating a Trump win by a small amount. Because of the population level in the East Coast States when their polls close early the vote always will at first look great for the liberals. As the vote from other states roll in the lead that the East Coast gave Biden will shrink. the question is will the lead that the middle of the nation will give Trump survive the liberal West Coast vote.

Right now it looks like it will be enough but a lot depends on how about three East coast and mid-west states go. Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio matter a lot. Let's face it, we KNOW how most of the North East and West Coast will vote. We know how the South, in general, will go. Much of the far west but not coastal areas don't have very large populations and they will usually split fairly evenly. there are always a few predictive swing states that the smart money will watch close. This year they are going to come out early...

In the past, you could watch the national news networks and get pretty good information but these days they are so biased that it is hard to get a clear reading in the election until ALL of the polls close. As long as there is a possibility that they might be able to influance a voter they will keep pushing in the liberal direction. Sooo I don't pay any attention to their reports or polls until all of the votings is done and over. There are a few online places that when you take them in average have worked well for me in past election years. Based on that this election is rally too close to call yet but is slightly leaning towards Trump despite what the major media would have you believe.

 

Because after 2010' ish most election in the world is centred around ideological theme rather than any set of policy. People will go very far for ideological pursuit. I know for certain I'm

 

The election results are in: America is spit in two.

Urban Amerika vs. Heartland America

One thing is for sure, the Social Democrats got punched in the throat.
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Looking at the latest. Its look like Biden win

https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS-LIVE-US/jbyprxelqpe/

The wild card are Michigan and Pennsylvania

 

"What I see, rather than a CIVIL war might be a national level riot."
-- TexDanm

The storm coming to the former USA could be called a "reticular war" -- this is what I'm calling it. There will be no front lines. Neither Left nor Right will go up against uniformed anybody. Here's another name, cluster-f###.

This nation is going to go Belfast -- i.e., the former USA is going to have its own Troubles (OrangeIRA). Think the former Yugoslavia. Think the former Czechoslovakia.

In the former-USA, the Troubles will really get touched-off when the economy crumbles.

Here's another fun topic: Let's say that Kamala gets to be president (brain-dead Biden will resign the presidency due to health reasons; 100% guarantee), however the Senate stays Republican. Could Kommie Kamala pack the Supreme Court without the Senate? In that circumstance, KK could propose & back all manner of revolutionary bills, however she'd be blocked every time she turned around. Know that all of the screaming in Federal buildings in D.C. that ARE going to occur will be mirrored by violence in the streets.

re·tic·u·lar (rĭ-tĭk′yə-lər)
adj.
1. Resembling a net in form; netlike: reticular tissue.
2. Marked by complexity; intricate.
[From Latin rēticulum, diminutive of rēte, net.]

Today in the former-USA, there is wailing, moaning, and outright anger among the revolutionary Left:

 

As most on here have surmised , it appears as the fraud attempt in the election process explodes into physical violence the supply chain will likely disintegrate very rapidly . Justly so those that will suffer the most from the supply chain collapse will be the Democrats that are attempting the fraud on the election process .

 

Democrats declaring war:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...s-kyle-rittenhouse-mitch-mcconnell-the-enemy/

 

I guess between the imported voters, the welfare/prison voters, and the liberals, we are now a nation without a future. When we do this sort of thing to ourselves we fully DESERVE what we will lose. I'm not terribly surprised. The liberals have been giving our country away for a long time bringing in welfare people from third world countries and putting them on the dole. We have allowed the FAR left to take over our educational system and we have been too busy and lazy to actually raise our kids. Daycare in no way impresses YOUR belief and morality on your kids. Now they are voting and running the world and this is what we get and will have until someone comes and takes it ALL away from us. Don't expect the liberals to fight for our nation. They can hardly wait to welcome and greet their communist brothers with open arms.

 

Good morning Lonewolf,

You're right - but it started prior to the 21st century.

"Results" weren't accepted after the "Good Friday" Accords. They weren't accepted here after LA driver Rodney King was arrested for driving a vehicle under the influence of intoxicants.

The US is not a democracy. It is a democratic socialist mercantile state with everything regulated by the US Government.

I admit to not understanding the form of government in the UK especially with the "devolution".

 

One can put up with matters this and that. A government takeover that burns the U.S. Constitution is a call to war. Any call to negate Essential Liberty is a call to war. The phrase "Crossing the Rubicon" leaps to mind.

The breed-stock of America was that of those who would not put up with the "Divine Right of Kings".

Americans anger when provoked and we have on no few occasions been known to go violent.

People possessed of self-discipline who have previously not been armed are now arming-up. America is a pressure-cooker that is now without any pressure-release safety mechanism and the heat of the stove is rising.

All previously suppressed animosities are surfacing like killer white sharks.

Americans of every ilk are buying firearms in record numbers. Here is the sheeple-pandering Communist News Network's take on this phenomenon.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/02/us/gun-background-checks-record/index.html

Black people are purchasing firearms to defend themselves from other black people, the violent ones. Black felons mainly predate on their own people, especially the elderly who are not able to defend themselves short of using tools ... such as shotguns and handguns for instance. The riots begin in and do the most damage to black neighborhoods. This year, something like 30% of blacks voted for Trump. They sure don't like the man Trump, however they are afraid of their own.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ses-to-protect-against-looting-in-minneapolis
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From central United States . The sounds of people getting their firearms ready for the war can be heard coming through the Ozarks . Rifle fire is not uncommon here but this has taken another undertone .

 

I think that this is one of those things that reflects a person's heritage. Let's look at my ancestry. My family came to the US because we didn't do as we were told in Great Brittian. Ever heard of the New Georga Penal Colony? Even then we didn't do as the King said and so revolted again and the USA was born. Eventually went to Texas which was a Mexican state. Didn't like their rules and so fought and made Texas a Nation. Joined the US but when Lincoln decided to take away the states rights we succeeded from the US and fought a war on the side of the Confederate States of America. Lost that one, you can't win them all. Twice we could have just stood by and let Germany take what they wanted in Europe but chose to jump in and fight instead. We also were on the field for the war of 1812, the Spanish-American War, the Korean Conflict, and the Vietnam police action.

NOW, if we don't like what Biden does and if we decide that his actions have violated the constitution and voided our obligation to be a part of his mess what exactly, based on our history, do you figure me and mine are likey to do? I am only a member of the only generation in my family that has not gone to war. I would have made it into Vietnam except for a health issue that I had when I was young. From the American Revolution on if there was a fight, we were in it up to our necks. I am rather pugnacious but in my family, I am the rather quiet and peace-loving one. ROTFLMFAO!!!

 

Now that key states have shut down legal vote counting to make time to generate illegal votes, it looks like Kamala will be the next president. Slow Joe will be propped up a few weeks after taking the oath of office, then will resign due to health reasons. The Social Democrats rejected Kamala, but then they needed a token. Joe's limping brain doesn't look like it's gonna make it, so they'll have to use Kamala as their puppet. Valerie Jarrett was assigned by the internationalists to herd Barry (Jarrett still lives with the Obamas in their compound two miles north of the White House). I wonder who will be Kamala's assigned puppet-master.

The sheeple want a king or queen. Looks like they are going to get one.

Ah, the new Amerika!

Here are some news items that the communist MSM will not publish:

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-o...-steal-burn-american-flags-stolen-from-homes/

https://www.breitbart.com/entertain...an-white-woman-black-man-who-supported-trump/

https://nypost.com/2020/11/05/socialists-chant-f-k-trump-f-k-biden-too-at-chicago-rally/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...rs-burn-bibles-american-flags-in-the-streets/
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It has been coming to this in the former-USA for decades now. The cities of America have always been run by political machines / voter fraud factories -- two centuries of that crap.

Danger, rant follows. Proceed at your own risk!

It's beginning to hit the fan now. The communists will blame it on wealth distribution, but that argument is whale-sh## central when you consider that America's poor have a higher standard of living than most of the world's middle class. Millions of Americans live on the dole or on drug sales proceeds and have entertainment electronics in their home (most of this was paid for, not looted), air conditioning, indoor plumbing for individual families, they do not have to share restrooms nor showers (as is the case in many places world-wide). They have plenty of potato chips, Twinkies, and alcohol -- look at the obesity rates among the urban poor. What they do not have is self-discipline.

Lyndon Baines Johnson created The Great Society. In so doing, he greatly destroyed society. Life in America has been a greasy slide into the sh## pit since.

No individual responsibility, no family structure = bring in the National Mortician. Maybe Kamala will appoint one. Jessie Jackson is still alive-ish.

Who is going to clean-up this national mess? The police; hell no! They've been castrated and the ones who don't want to turn in their family jewels are retiring or leaving. New police recruits are dwindling such that sustainability is lost. Anybody think that "social activists" are going to get inner cities to stop acting on their glandular desires instead of using what little circuitry there exists at the front of their drug burned brains? I don't. I believe that they will go on being the welfare pimps that they always have been. Hey, there's money in it!

https://www.wealthypersons.com/jesse-jackson-net-worth-2020-2021/

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/al-sharpton-net-worth/
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Conservative states lining up

"DeSantis says he’ll send Florida police officers to help Texas, Arizona enforce border"

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article252170028.html

"Gov. Ron DeSantis said Wednesday that Florida law-enforcement officers will go to Texas and Arizona to help with border control, as Florida continues to challenge the Biden administration in federal court about immigration enforcement.

"DeSantis’ announcement during a news conference in Pensacola came after Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey sent a letter last week to governors of the 48 other states requesting assistance in battling illegal immigration at the border with Mexico."

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-06-24/us-civil-war-now-table-new-alliances-form

Scroll down to "New Alliances Forming In The US...Civil War Is On The Table"

Scenario:

• "The Biden admin scraps wall building and border enforcement (already taking place)
  
• "Texas takes it upon themselves to step in and stop illegal immigratioin (already taking place)
  
• "This causes Biden’s handlers to get angry, forcing them to wake him from a nap
  
• "Now we have Florida helping Texas… oh, and Arizona as well. It is inevitable now that Biden will stumble out onto a podium somewhere with a blistering verbal attack “Krzwepilians bgterrr opswillvst” or something to that effect against the 3 musketeers, and then the Federal government will begin taking steps to reign in these recalcitrant upstarts. Wait for it!"

"I think we’re not far off the Federal government using their power to cut funding in these states. When that happens there are two options available (after much back and forth and politicking):

1. "Back off in order to continue receiving funding.
   
2. "Tell the clowns to get knotted, which brings us to the inevitable next set of steps

"With their funding cut, the states will say, “Hold on, this is a two way street,” and subsequently refuse to send tax receipts to DC. And BOOM! We are into a civil war. It may take some time to develop, and there may be a bunch of things that get fought over and ruled upon, but when you boil it down to the rawness of it all, there is an ever increasing risk or, dare I say, inevitability to it that individual states say, 'The hell with you lot,' and seek to go their separate ways. In theory this can happen without too much stress, but in reality Marxists never back down, so it won’t be pretty.

"Economics always always matter in this respect as does energy and it is Texas that has much of the energy. It is also deep red states that hold much of the agricultural land. Hmmm,,,"

The article continues listing states with the most debt and states with the least debt. Seems Leftist states are FAR deeper in debt than pro-Constitution states. States with little debt are more of a position to tell the Feds to go fly a kite.

Anyway, it is yet another SHTF situation forming-up. We need to prepare for civil war ... however one does that. Bug in? Bug out? Depends on where the chaos lands. Too, the dollar will take a fall in the financial fracas following. Use your dollars now to buy survival items, because dollars are going to turn into toilet paper in the near future.
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To hell with a wall. We need to put up hunting stands and sell hunting liscenses to people willing and wishing to defend our borders. I wouod even vote for bounties on anyone killed in a NO GO FOR ANY REASON border zone. To me that isn't murder any more than hunting deer is. These people are invaders and when they break the law by entering tht tells me that they will have no more problem with being any other dort of criminal. When they kill a citizen they should be then "kill on sight" wanted dead or alive, preferably dead, wanted people.

We need the workers and should make it easy for them to come and go to work BUT 30 days after they stop working they need to LEAVE or else. K do NOT understand why their national rights to rob, murder, leach off the citizens. and make life a living hell for peole that want to be good citizens is SOOOO improtant to the liberals. Kill them. NEVER spend money on imprisoning them. Harming a citizen if you are an illegal alien should carry a death sentence. I would offer the same to any government official that encouraged or assisted these people in their criminal efforts.

 

Far-Left White House is committing acts of war against U.S. citizens. You may be forced to be tested for covid. You may be looking at being terminated from your job for not getting the sacred jab -- i.e. baptized in the worship of god government. However, people wanting to flood into the U.S. illegally are aided and abetted in doing so -- without being vaccinated or even tested for covid. The Left lets these masses in so as to pack the polls with illegal votes. They also wish to pack the Supreme Court with their fellow-travelers. Such acts are the opening volleys in America's second civil war.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/t...l-flights-without-proper-identification-texas

"It looks as though President Biden's immigration crisis isn't just on the ground anymore.

"That's because it was reported this week that the Biden administration is allowing illegal migrants to board commercial flights across the United States without ID - all in the name of not being "racist".

"Rep. Lance Gooden from Texas, who has been in the midst of investigation the TSA, made the relevation. His investigation was prompted by whistleblower documents alleging an operation to move migrants across the country without standard documentation.'

"Gooden wrote to TSA Administrator David Pekoske this week, stating: 'We request clarification on the Transportation Security Administration’s (TSA) policies and procedures to protect the nation’s transportation systems and mitigate national security risks. I have serious concerns TSA is actively assisting illegal immigrants without proper identification travel throughout the country. Therefore, we are requesting TSA provide assistance in identifying and preventing the unprecedented flow of illegal immigrants into and throughout the United States and the role TSA has played in facilitating this influx of migrants.'”

 

We could go into all of the reasons, however the short story is that we are a divided nation. Conservatives vs. liberals. Individual responsibility vs. collective responsibility. There's the racial divide brought on by president Lyndon Baines Johnson's "Great Society". Secular Humanists vs. the religious folk. Urban vs. rural. On and on ...

The former USA's situation is just like a divorce situation. At the beginning of the marriage, the couple got along despite their differences. As time went on, the couple went their separate ways. Now they are at each other's throat. Will a marriage counselor help? Fat chance of that -- they'll start fighting in the counselor's waiting room. Either they get a divorce or somebody is going to get hurt.

The Founding Father's knew this, so they allowed each and every state to have their autonomy from the Federal Government. Now the central government would-be gods want to create a "one side fits all" situation. We are not in any way a homogeneous people, so BOOM, this really BAD outcome.
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by Olde Geezer...

[However, people wanting to flood into the U.S. illegally are aided and abetted in doing so -- without being vaccinated or even tested for covid. The Left lets these masses in so as to pack the polls with illegal votes. They also wish to pack the Supreme Court with their fellow-travelers. Such acts are the opening volleys in America's second civil war. [/quote]


I keep telling the membership that Government is willingly putting American citizens in second, third, and fourth place in our own country.

Many Mayors and Governors are doing the same in letting crime run rampant in cities and states.

This is becoming textbook of Ishmaelite thinking and practice run wild to put our own people into Ishmaelite bondage while putting others in first place for which we are being put further into bondage to pay for it.

This is also the exact pattern going on in Europe and the UK to those people.

Ishmaelites run wild....,.lead by Ishmaelites in power..

Ishmaelite = raw power...= bondage.

In Isaac shall thy seed be called...


My Non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris.

 

Government bullying / protection racket = disarm + mentally neuter/castrate + create some source of fear + offer protection (but only in measured doses) + charge for the "protection", i.e. taxation.

Letting crime boil out of control and ushering-in herds of peasants are methods to achieve the above.

The Social Democrats are getting paranoid, however. With the help of their MSM 5th-column, the deep-state vermin are trying to make out that the Jan 6th raid on the Capitol Building by a crew of dufus hard-core idiots was an attempt to overthrow government. That, my friends, is sad beyond words. Really tawdry, but the weak-minded lap-up MSM vomitus with glee.

In Virginia, Soros-money paid for hundreds of thousands of illegal votes; nevertheless, Republicans still won the governorship, lieutenant governorship, and state's attorney general office. The Democratic Socialists are still reeling. Push-back across the nation is getting hotter and hotter.

What to do? The collectivists are again looking at Supreme Court packing. "If you can't win, cheat," is their motto. They are also doing their best to clamp-down on free speech -- this is where the oligarchs of technology are really coming-in handy.

The people of Europe were conditioned long ago to follow the orders of their "betters". They gave up their firearms and/or registered them (making confiscation easy) long ago. When an uncle of mine was part of the U.S. occupation force in Germany, they would go to the Bergermeister's offices and get the gun-registration records, then go confiscate all the firearms they could. They then would take them to some bridge and toss them into the rivers. My uncle said that he destroyed some absolutely beautiful hunting rifles and shotguns; but hey, they were tasked to castrate the locals. He sent back a German 98 Mauser battle rifle because its serial number matched his parents phone number. Wish he'd sent back some beautiful rifles. He did send back three pocket watches with 18-19 jewel watch mechanisms.

Here in the former USA, people are buying semi-auto rifles and handguns hand-over-fist. FBI background checks have reached all-time highs. To confiscate the weapons in the hands of Americans would be one unimaginably dangerous task. Firstly, the people owning the most privately-owned semi-autos (rifles and handguns) are the police and military people themselves and those retired from such forces, plus their families. In certain regions, such as the South and the American Breadbasket, all homes have multiple firearms. There are more guns than people in the U.S. Used-to, people only had a few boxes of ammunition around, but once Big Brother started banning this and that, people started buying ammunition by the case, plus many got into reloading ammunition and thus hoarded primers, powder, and bullets (this saved space and some money). On top of this, the above-mentioned areas are loaded with people skilled in welding and in the operation of heavy equipment. Mines and quarries are all over the place in the South, so explosives and the people who work with explosives are anything but rare. My kin used to cut pieces of dynamite sticks to use for target practice -- they made a neat BOOM when hit. Union men out on strike would blow-up factory electrical transformers with dynamite.

If America goes into a full civil war situation, it is going to be one nasty affair. Sabotage and loss of transportation lines will result in cities being cut off from necessities. Any attempts at imposing martial law in America's Heartland States will be resisted with extreme violence in the form of guerrilla warfare with innumerable acts of sabotage.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/charlottesvilles-lee-statue-melted-art-81623557

"CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. -- The statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee that drew violent protests to Charlottesville, Virginia, will be melted down and turned into a new piece of public art by an African American heritage center."

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Bid was rigged by communist Charlottesville City Council

"Two bidders who sought Charlottesville's Lee statue file letter protesting plan to melt it down"

https://roanoke.com/news/state-and-...cle_da9ac390-4dd3-5751-89a7-ac781e93e36c.html

"Two bidders who sought Charlottesville’s Robert E. Lee monument have filed a protest letter, charging that the bid process to rid the city of Lee’s statue was “disastrously arbitrary” and that it resulted in a 'capricious, illegal award.'

"Trevilian Station Battlefield Foundation and the Ratcliffe Foundation, on behalf of its subsidiary Ellenbrook Museum, filed the letter Dec. 14. The foundations are represented by attorney Ralph Main, who also represented various Charlottesville area residents in a previous Monument Fund-backed lawsuit against the city over votes to remove the Lee and Jackson statues.

“'Instead of transparent: opaque. Instead of regular and managed: improvised and lawless. Instead of careful and fair consideration: a cursory midnight discussion and preconcerted effort to flout the legislative limit on City Council’s authority,' Main wrote in the letter to the city."

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Jefferson-School-African-American-Center.html

"The toppled Charlottesville statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee will be melted down and the bronze will be forged into a new exhibit at a black-themed museum across town.

"America's largest Confederate statue was removed from its pedestal in September to the sound of 'Black Lives Matter' chants and crowds singing 'Na Na Hey Hey Goodbye.'

"In New York, The American Museum of Natural History covered the controversial statue of President Theodore Roosevelt ahead of its long-term loan to the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library in North Dakota, which is set to open in 2026.

"Last month, a statue of Thomas Jefferson was removed from New York's City Hall via the back door after 187 years in the chamber because workers complained the slave-owning third president made them uncomfortable. "

 

Been thinking about this by Texdanm...

I think the lines will be drawn where they always have been drawn...in spite of the Federal Government and their pimps in the MSM trying to obscure this truth from history.

In States Rights.

The attempt by the Federal Government to"Herd" not only the people but the very State Governments in which these people dwell.

There is a quiet upswelling going on as more and more people become aware of the total incompetence of the Federal Government under the current Administration and with this awareness of the failure of leadership to represent the people and the States.

This is clearly not a represenative government and to boot....it is not leadership ...but more and more planned and manufactured Division for power and control.

And all the time these so called Republicans are mostly silent.

It is so bad now with a lack of leadership...that even Democrats are sounding the alarm bells and turning on them.


Now for this ..by the Olde Geezer...

When you have a king or queen you become a subject..not a citizen with rights but a subject with privileges granted by the sovereign...and these privileges can be taken away or modified at the will of the sovereign.

Most Americans have never been taught this about Royalty or a king or queen.

Too many Americans raised on a fantasy or in Disneyland....not for me thanks.

But this is where most Americans have been conned....about Licenses and such...how these put them under the jurisdiction of privileges and not rights.

This is not Conservative versus liberal.....that is a phony construct....

This is GFW Hegel....or Thesis....AntiThesis....Synthesis ...better known to most people as good cop/bad cop.

Few notice that they are all cops....all politicians inclcuding the News Media....

This is the mechanism used/misused to steer us where they want and need us.


It is good versus evil....not Conservative versus liberal...Ishmael versus Isaac.


Someone out here is trying to build a world of Ishmaelites and get rid of the line of Isaac....


Be Warned the Ishmaelites in both phony political parties as the cloud the issue with Conservative versus Libera....Republican versus Democrat.

While all this is going on someone is fleecing the US Treasury for more power and control over us.


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris