Collapsing Of The United States

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  1. poltiregist

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    Many states but mostly Democrat run states are teetering on the edge of declaring bankruptcy . California and New York are positioned on the top of that list . When that happens pension checks from those states will cease , payroll checks for state workers will cease . Unemployment checks will cease . The more responsible states will see a flood of delusional and people that think they are entitled to take free stuff from other people . ---The communist are trying to abolish all law enforcement . The communist judges are fabricating and charging law enforcement officers with crimes for following the law . In disgust many law enforcement personnel are quiting law enforcement . --- The prisons doors are being opened up so the prisoners can prey upon those that work for what they have . --- The Corona Virus WILL escalate as people are forced back into the work place or lose what they have or become homeless . --- States are already out of money in many cases and can not pay the people that are legally qualified to receive an unemployment check . Many people never received that federal stimulus check either .--- The food supply chain is fractured and will likely further disintegrate as the Corona Virus rate climbs back up and communist rioters block highways needed for trucks to bring in food . If the trucks manage to reach their destination then the stores are subject to be looted and burned to the ground . --- Oil prices per barrel have gone up some , but are still operating at a financial loss . How long can the federal government's magic pin keep the gasoline coming to the consumer ? --- The federal government is creating money out of thin air just like Venezuela . This is directly devaluating the dollar . --- If the democrat / communist party ever gains control of the white house again you can be assured they will not make the mistake they made in 2016 . The electoral system will be so rigged next time that there will be no chance for anyone but the person the world globalist choose to be the winner to win . A system now utilized by many communist countries . An election held for show only . --- I reside in a area known to be a survivalist area. Starting about two months ago we began seeing people flocking to this area , some from very for away states . They see the hand writing on the wall .--- Some on here seem reasonably well prepared while others just seem to want to talk about being prepared . I am glad to hear from all of them , " prepared or not " . I just wish the less prepared would take this more serious .
     
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    My personal expectation - Those that just stored food to get them through a few weeks or months are going to be in a lot of misery " if they are still alive " in two or three years . Looking at other collapsed countries as a guide I expect the crises that we are already in to become much more dire and last many years and perhaps decades . The ones that prepare for total self sufficiency forever will be the ones to ride into teotwawki with the most survivability .
     
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      Loved the video but hate what the mayor is allowing to happen.
       
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  4. Pragmatist

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    Real good video, Old Geezer.

    Danke.

    I am now in the mood for a Dirty Dog and a shot from Benny's bottle collection.
     
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      Du bist willkommen.
       
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  5. Sourdough

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    I have posted this before on several forums, including this forum. In the early 80's and on into the about 92'ish-maybe 93'ish Alaska endured a true depression after the Trans-Alaska Pipe was completed, The world price of oil totally collapsed. Think about this 77% of Alaska Banks and Credit Unions, and Savings Banks went "BANKRUPT".

    The Federal Depositors Insurance Company (FDIC) became the largest property owner in Alaska, because of all the personal bankruptcy and unemployment, and bumper to bumper families leaving Alaska, going to the lower 48 states.

    What we learned is that it was the United States Federal Employees, followed closely by Alaska State Employees who truly survived. Not those with money, not those who were self-sufficient, Not those with years of food, etc..

    It sucks......It does not seem fair......but that is the truth. Baring total collapse of the Federal Government..........your best chance of survival, is "ANY" Government employment, even lowest level toilet cleaner.

    I went into that depression with $963,000.00 and came out totally broke. Financially and mentally, and spiritually a man totally broken. I had money, property, skills, supplies. But none of it was remaining after twelve years. Others came out worse then me. We simply never could believe that it would last that long. If not for the catastrophic oil spill in Prince William Sound in 89' Alaska might never recovered.

    I tell you'all true this is the most valuable information I can offer the members of this forum, based wholly on personal experience. Don't underestimate what is coming.

    Government is a "Living" organism. And it will fight to the very end, for the survival of Government. Government was born to serve people, but has evolved to the current point where it believes it's survival is paramount, and "IF" necessary all things, and all people are disposable "IF" necessary to ensure it's survival.

    This is where the so call, "Deep State" is cornered right now. Stop being seduced to believing that the "Liberal Far-Far Left" is the problem. Or that the far-far Right is the problem. All things are coordinated and orchestrated by the "Intelligence Agencies".

    Yes.......Including the three branches of Government.

    Ultimately they will do what ever is required for that concept, that structure to survive. Even if it requires destroying America, so they can fix and/or rebuild it the way they believe is best for America.

    It is not some single diabolical individual, it is not even a committee of diabolical humans. It is a living concept, a living belief system that it above all else knows what is the best for America.......and the World. It will in all likelihood survive everything. Ultimately the only thing that can destroy it, is inadvertent self destruction.

    I want to make clear that it is not humans, or any leaders, or management of this thing, that is in control, it is the thing, the concept, the core intoxicating belief, of its rightness, that over powers everything. Its absolute total belief that it knows what is best.

    I have produced a lot of words......not sure it is of any value.
     
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  6. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Sourdough,

    I followed your points above.

    There's definitely value in them.

    Since circa 1992-93, the US and state governments have phased into use of contractors.

    The Civil Service has shrunk. Anticipate a contraction of military personnel after election.
     
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  7. Old Geezer

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    "Iran Holds ‘Art’ Exhibition Depicting US Police As Nazis, KKK"

    https://summit.news/2020/06/18/iran-holds-art-exhibition-depicting-us-police-as-nazis-kkk/

    It seems that Iran and American leftists have a lot in common.

    Valerie Jarrett, puppet-master of Obama (she still lives with the Obama family in their D.C. gated compound), has American citizenship, but keeps her Iranian citizenship. Hmmm, I wonder why Obama sent those $billions$ to Iran?!

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-iran-terrorism/
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    I am sure the above statement is true , however this time we are looking at an unprecedented event of entire states declaring bankruptcy . When they ain't got the money to pay up then they ain't got the money . States unlike the federal government can not produce money out of thin air . Donald Trump says he ain't going to bail them out and throw them money to pay pensions for those folks retiring from those bankrupt states or other ridiculous things they promised their state's residence . No doubt one of the last hopes these states facing financial armagaden have is getting a democrat president in this November's election . That ain't likely to happen no matter how hard they try stuffing the ballot boxes with votes from citizens of other countries or dead people . Bankrupt states is another crises waiting to create more upheaval in the near future .
     
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  12. Old Geezer

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    When hyper-inflation kicks-in, government checks and retirement checks will have a lot of numbers on them, but they'll buy nothing of intrinsic value, food and fuel. In countries where the economy is tanking, when a person comes by some currency, they immediately dash out and spend it, because within three days to a week, the currency's value will have dropped by half. This is coming to America. It will happen in my lifetime -- and I've not that many years to go.
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    Well, then there is this...

    FINALLY!! - THE REAL REASON BEHIND BERGDAHL'S RELEASE!
    (BERGDAHL WAS RELEASED IN EXCHANGE FOR 5 TALIBAN GENERALS IN ORDER TO COVER UP THE OBAMA/HILLARY STINGER MISSILE SALES TO LIBYA.)
    BENGHAZI AND THE MATCHING SERIAL NUMBERS.....
    So here's the REAL story: Ambassador Stevens was sent to Benghazi to secretly retrieve US made Stinger Missiles that the State Dept. had supplied to Ansar al-Sharia in Libya WITHOUT Congressional oversight or permission.
    Sec State Hillary Clinton had brokered the Libya deal through Ambassador Stevens and a Private Arms Dealer named Marc Turi, but some of the shoulder-fired Stinger Missiles ended up in Afghanistan where they were used against our own military. On July 25th, 2012, a US Chinook helicopter was downed by one of them. Not destroyed only because the idiot Taliban didn't arm the missile. The helicopter didn't explode, but it had to land and an ordnance team recovered the missile’s serial number which led back to a cache of Stinger Missiles kept in Qatar by the CIA.
    Obama and Hillary were in full panic mode, so Ambassador Stevens was sent to Benghazi to retrieve the rest of the Stinger Missiles. This was a "do-or-die" mission, which explains the Stand Down Orders given to multiple rescue teams during the siege of the US Embassy.
    It was the State Dept., NOT the CIA, that supplied the Stinger Missiles to our sworn enemies because Gen. Petraeus at CIA would not approve supplying the deadly missiles due to their potential use against commercial aircraft. So then, Obama threw Gen. Petraeus under the bus when he refused to testify in support of Obama’s phony claim of a “spontaneous uprising caused by a YouTube video that insulted Muslims.”
    Obama and Hillary committed TREASON!
    THIS is what the investigation is all about, WHY she had a Private Server, (in order to delete the digital evidence), and WHY Obama, two weeks after the attack, told the UN that the attack was the result of the YouTube video, even though everyone KNEW it was not.
    Furthermore, the Taliban knew that the administration had aided and abetted the enemy WITHOUT Congressional oversight or permission, so they began pressuring (blackmailing) the Obama Administration to release five Taliban generals being held at Guantanamo.
    Bowe Bergdahl was just a useful pawn used to cover the release of the Taliban generals. Everyone knew Bergdahl was a traitor but Obama used Bergdahl’s exchange for the five Taliban generals to cover that Obama was being coerced by the Taliban about the unauthorized Stinger Missile deal.
    So we have a traitor as POTUS that is not only corrupt but compromised, as well and a Sec. of State that is a serial liar, who perjured herself multiple times at the Congressional Hearings on Benghazi. Perhaps this is why no military aircraft were called upon for help in Benghazi: Because the administration knew that our enemies had Stinger Missiles; that, if used to down those planes, would likely be traced back to the CIA cache in Qatar and then to the State Dept.’s illegitimate arms deal in Libya.
    HTTPS://www.politico.com/search?q=Marc-turi-+Libyan-rebels-Hillary-Clinton

    Dale
     
  14. Old Geezer

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    https://whdh.com/news/police-search...d-of-attacking-trump-supporter-in-fall-river/

    "'A preliminary investigation revealed that the victim was physically assaulted by two (2) females for displaying 'TRUMP' flags on her vehicle,' according to the City of Fall River Police Department on Facebook.

    "The women allegedly pulled up to the victim’s vehicle in a grey Nissan Altima and exchanged words about the flags, Fall River Police Lt. Jay Huard said, according to Boston's WHDH.

    "The suspects then assaulted the female victim while her daughter was in the backseat, authorities added.

    “'She tried to de-escalate the situation by telling the two females to get away from her car,' Huard said. 'She put her window down to communicate in a better fashion and at that point, she was punched through the open window.'"

    Suggestion: Do not roll your windows down when people are attacking your car.

    If your car is surrounded and peaceful protesters smash your windows to drag you out of your vehicle, then this is when your handgun carry permit comes in handy.

    Put a Trump sticker on your car and your car will be damaged.







    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...stickers_looted_destroyed_by_black_youth.html

    https://www.kptv.com/news/vancouver...cle_31d3cc9a-cb2e-11e8-8719-679d402d1c59.html

    There is a post on Reddit buy an individual who got his car keyed because of a Trump sticker. So I follow the link. Turns out that Reddit banned him and wiped his report of vandalism. High tech oligarchs at work banning free speech is the order of the day.

    Elderly Trump supporters attacked; 84 year old woman slapped due to her political beliefs:

    https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama...s-including-84-year-old-woman-at-trump-rally/
     
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  15. lonewolf

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    do not display stickers on your car, be it Trump stickers, NRA stickers or prepper stickers, it only makes your car a target and you with it.
     
  16. Old Geezer

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    NEVER put an NRA sticker on your car. You may be safe in America, but drive into Amerikan areas and you will have your vehicle broken into, plus you run the risk of being stopped by police to see if you have violated any Big Brother edicts. Remember, "The gods of central authority know what is best for their serfs! They protect you, therefore they own you. Kneel!"
     
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    I have a "help for heroes" which is a military charity here in the UK sticker on my back window of the car, never had any problems with it but then I dont go very far.,
     
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      Well, that's a good thing.
       
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  18. Old Geezer

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    Antifa attacks a pro-police veteran in a wheelchair, then the Antifa kids get walked out'a there by pro-police demonstrators. I consider the actions of those who dealt with the children having a tantrum as having shown a level of restraint that is usually only observed among saints. Many decent people would have hospitalized the trouble-makers / attackers of the elderly.

    https://drrichswier.com/2020/08/13/...after-reportedly-attacking-vet-in-wheelchair/
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    Due to their being devalued, law enforcement officers are taking retirement, are resigning, and young adults are not applying for law enforcement jobs at anywhere near the numbers needed to maintain order on the streets. Hurray!!!!!

    Hopefully, cities will be left without any means to stop crime. Crime going totally out of control will be an elixir for the urbanites and suburbanites. Hopefully anarchy will not only rule their nights, but take their days.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=police+resigning+retiring+due+to+protests&atb=v140-1&df=m&ia=web

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nypd-chief-of-patrol-abruptly-retiring-official-says/2666042/

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...e-crime-is-rising-and-murders-are-increasing/

    Having to wear Chinacovid masks is great dark blessing to the looters and the anarchists. Their faces can't be filmed, the hands of the police are chained, if you are arrested you are soon released, if a citizen (i.e. oppressor) defends himself then he will be charged and not you.

    LET MAYHEM RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    LOL LOL LOL ...Olde Geezer.....

    You are reminding me that I was in a Chinese Take Out place this evening....and made a take out order.

    The two Brothers before me were somewhat loud and seemed to be worrying the owners a bit..

    I did not let this bother me....as I waited for my order.

    One of the two Brothers ahead of me looked at me and stated...."You know what we are really here for...??"

    I chuckled and stated..."I hear you ..."

    They stepped outside for a few minutes while waiting for their order...and then entered and picked it up and left...

    I did not let on that I was carrying my Ruger GP 100 in an underarm rig.....probably best...until really needed.


    Picked up my order and left but not before giving the lovely young woman behind the counter a real 1921 silver dollar as a tip...


    Watcherchris'
    Not an Ishmaelte.
     
  21. TexDanm

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    The collapse of the US has gone hand in hand with the dissolution of the American Family. I ask you this, Who is raising the children and WHAT are they teaching them? Nowadays parents don't play a big part in a kid's life. Both parents work and the kids are shipped off to daycare centers. There are soooo many single-parent families and people seem to look at marriage so much differently than I was raised to see it. My Mama didn't go to work until I was grown. She was probably the single biggest influence in my life with my Dad a close second. She was THERE all day every day and she impressed their beliefs and way onto me thoroughly. I learned right from wrong. Right was what got me an attaboy and wrong got my butt blistered! I learned to work and do as I was told. it was a lot like right and wrong and i learned fast.

    When you put a kid in a daycare center they learn how to be quiet and function as a part of a group. This is of value but then not everyone wants their kids to be sheep. look at America, especially in the major urban areas and you will see the results of kids raised in daycare. They function as a sort of pack and will follow anyone that is strong enough to demand and hold their attention.

    I practiced what I preach and my wife stopped working when my daughter was born. Later when my wife went to college and then to work I took up a lot of that and my Daughter worked for me and with me from the age of 9 until she was 18. It must have worked because she cruised through college and is very successful. she was not raised to be shy or soft and it has paid off. she has moved up fast in her chosen career.

    You have to put a lot into a kid if you want them to be as you wish. For people like most of us here it is a constant fight to overcome the leftist crap that they see on the TV and get in the public schools. We have avoided a lot of that with my Granddaughter. She has never stepped foot in a public school and is getting a conservative indoctrination at school that falls in line with what she gets at home.

    It isn't just a matter of liberal or conservitive. To me it is a matter of teaching a kid to think and act of the basis of decissions that are made based on real world knowledge. A lot of what we call liberal is actually just adult children that have not yet entered the REAL world and had to grow up. I can't imagine a kid reaching the age of 24 who has never worked a day in their life graduating from colledge and then going out expecting to be a ruler as they have always been and learning that they are peons. It takes a while to grow up and if you wait until a kid is half way to 30 to start them down that road it is going to be a rough road for both them and their parents.
     
  22. Old Geezer

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    The world ate two of my children. I'm sort of enjoying watching the world die.
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...-announces-new-political-party-182430878.html

    "Diddy is no longer threatening to hold his vote hostage this upcoming election. The hip-hop mogul has officially endorsed Joe Biden for president, but it’s because he believes there is no other option. It’s why Diddy hopes to change the political landscape moving forward.

    "In an interview with Charlamagne Tha God for Revolt TV, Diddy warned Americans we are on the verge of a civil war.

    “'White men like Trump need to be banished. That way of thinking is real dangerous. This man literally threatened the lives of us and our families about going to vote,' Diddy said. The entertainer then referenced President Trump’s message to the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by” while not denouncing white supremacy at the first presidential debate.

    “'We’re in a war,” Diddy added. “We’re in a war of love versus hate. The number one priority is to get Trump out of office. … If people in America want a race war, they’ll not vote.'

    "The rapper previously said that he would be holding the “Black vote hostage” until Biden adopted a Black Agenda to address issues plaguing the Black community. Although he’s disappointed the former Vice President hasn’t done more, Diddy said there’s no other choice but to vote for Biden.

    “'It would be irresponsible of me to have us hold our vote hostage,” he stated. “But it would also be irresponsible of me to let this moment go by… and not do everything I can to make sure that going forth we are part of the narrative; that we own our politics.'

    "That’s why Diddy, who identifies as an independent, is launching the new political party Our Black Party.

    “'Our Black Party’s number one goal is to unify behind a Black agenda. That’s it,” he declared, noting it doesn’t matter if a person is republican, democrat or independent. 'We have to seize our political power.'”

    Me, I'm ready to go. Nothing matters much any more. "Git 'er done!" Let's do this thing.
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  24. Old Geezer

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    https://www.poynter.org/reporting-e...ent-get-2-trillion-for-a-coronavirus-bailout/
    "Where does the government get $2 trillion for a coronavirus bailout?"

    Putting things in perspective


    "If you spent a million dollars a day since 00 A.D. you would not have spent a trillion dollars today.

    "1 million seconds is about 11.5 days
    "1 billion seconds is about 32 years
    "a trillion seconds is equal to 32,000 years."

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    "Let’s remember that before this, the U.S. was about $20 trillion in debt. That number has grown in recent years, even while the economy has been healthy. President Trump’s tax cuts added about $1.5 trillion to the national debt. It may well turn out that we will look upon the last few years as missed opportunities to pay down debt so that a $3 trillion addition today would not be so overwhelming."

    "It was only a couple of weeks ago that the Congressional Budget Office issued its newest projections that said debt will reach 98% of gross domestic product by 2030. On our current course, the CBO said, debt will grow by $13.8 trillion — from $17.5 trillion today to $31.3 trillion — by 2030.

    "All of this to say: Journalists, when you report on the bailout, don’t just toss around numbers like $2 trillion like that money is growing on trees. Ask how we are thinking about repayment. We are heading into an election where candidates will have to speak to this issue more urgently. Everybody wants relief from whatever is upon us and relief is not free.

    "This is one of the most interesting stories I didn’t expect to enjoy. Bean sales are way up, as in up 40% across the industry, because of the coronavirus.

    "The New York Times reported:

    "'At Goya, the increase has been even more dramatic: Sales of black beans, pinto beans and other canned products have spiked as much as 400%. In the last week, Goya has delivered 24 million cans to retailers.'

    “'I’ve seen earthquakes and hurricanes. This is the first time I’ve seen this,' said Bob Unanue, the company’s president. 'This is a tsunami, this is a hurricane that’s not hitting one market. It’s hitting all markets.'

    "What might grocery stores tell you they are selling that they have never sold as much of before? You know, except for toilet paper."

    Debts, smebts! Governments are going to default on their debts. Thus, currency values are going to go to zero -- save for the BTU value when you burn paper money. All computer networking is going to crash, so digital money will become meaningless.

    So, all you preppers out there, it is a good thing you already bought your beans and bullets!

    Cases of beans & cases of ammunition, now there's your new currency units.

    If all you have is one case of food, you are toast. If all you have is a few boxes of ammunition, you are toast.

    Now I'm glad that I am a history buff. My repeating rifles are not in modern calibers. If I get robbed by gangs to feed their their "assault rifles", too bad, so sad. I'll kill a few of them, then they will kill me, rob me (if they can blow-torch their way into safes), only to find obsolete ammunition. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    My obsolete caliber ammo WILL shoot through building walls and diesel truck engine blocks, that's something. If they hide behind block walls or brick walls, too bad, so sad. If their armor plates stop these bullets, their rib cages will be crushed. And again, my life is already over.
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  25. watcherchris

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    Agree with Texdanm....and the dissolution of the American Family....,

    My lady friend who passed a couple of years ago....I told her some time past that she was not doing her kids any favors raising them in front of a television set....or movie screen.

    She would work...and then come home ...feed the kids...,.,then clean up after them while they watched television...


    I told her that she was not being a good parent...raising them in front of a TV but should be teaching them to do the laundry empty the trash...pick up around the house..even fix dinner..,.,and she should be watching television or supervising them.

    That her job was to prepare them for real life out here ..not just for the next television program..

    Back then the kids were enamored of some program called Beverly Hills Zip Code...

    I could not stand to watch it....too much acne for me.


    Nonetheless...it helped some and she began making them do more than watch television ..

    I just could not believe that an intelligent woman would choose to raise their kids in that manner...

    A television and or movie screen is a terrible parent and or babysitter....


    This is how an Ishmaelite works to put others in to mental and spiritual bondage...

    A straight jacket in pandering to ones emotions....instant gratifications...not to thinking, education, and or disciplines.

    Her kids are doing better today....once they learned to get off their behinds and do for themselves...not wait for the next tv program..

    I still keep in touch with them.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  26. lonewolf

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    a lot of modern kids are being raised that way, the tv is used as some kind of child minder.
    its not a good way to grow up, it dosent prepare them for real life, probably why we have so many snowflakes these days.
     
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  27. poltiregist

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    Old Geezer is correct " we are heading toward an Venezuela economy " . Inflation will keep escalating at an ever increasing pace . If you want to know what to expect , study the economic plight of Venezuela citizens . Look at what is hard to impossible to obtain if you want to know what will not be available here . Their situation has now been going on for decades with no change in sight " so will ours " . Prepping for getting through a rough few weeks simply will not cut it in the long scheme of things . --- The one thing I can see that might alter this future is even worse . That is if China succeeds in conquering the United States . In that case we will be basically slaves to the Chinese .--- Either way those that prepare for an indefinite and self sufficent lifestyle will have a much better future . --- For our non- U.S. members your country is also on the same path but perhaps not as for down it .
     
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  28. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Old Geezer,

    When a bond loses half its face value, this is a default.

    Other examples abound.

    The debt and deficit are being worked on since Trump got the POTUS job.

    Anticipate smaller and lesser quality housing arriving.

    Home schooling in; privators in; warehousing school buildings funded off of local real estate taxes: out.

    Big military bases phasing out. Small org, professional-level troops with much mobility are in.

    I'm still working on a hunch generated by the new electric car. Am wondering if the US planners will introduce metro areas like China is doing with Hong Kong and 10 other area cities: one big metro area with high speed rail and few cars only for the rich and real officials.

    We measure our food stockpile by the container.
     
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    Pragmatist....

    I was stunned some time back to go to the two rest areas on either side of Richmond, Virginia on Interstate 64 and find that they are already set up with charging stations for electric cars.

    It got me to realizing that in the future gasoline cars will be mandated to obsolescence and by this proccess...people forced into electric cars if they want individual transport.


    I was stunned to find out that the battery for an certain Hybrid car costs more than $4000.00 to replace...

    Wow!!! Talk about Ishmaelites at work..

    Wondering about battery disposal issues in the future...???



    Yes..I know about Agenda 21 plans for housing...versus people Spammed into canned apartment projects in the future.. I see these projects going up a lot around here.

    I think that in the future individual housing will be phased out ...just like gasoline cars...engines.

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  30. Old Geezer

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    If America goes with electric cars, one of two things will have to happen.
    1) The burning of coal will have to increase by at least 50% of what we burn now, so we're looking a burn rate of 150%.
    2) We will have to go to nuclear power production of electricity.

    If you imagine that alternative fuel sources can cover that sort of need, then you are insufficiently intelligent to reason with. If a person is not good in math, they should never be included in any decision-making concerning society's needs in the realm of energy-sourcing.

    France has gone nuclear which has allowed them to meet their needs plus sell electricity to adjacent countries. France is run by pie-in-the-sky marginal people, yet even they had to cave-in and go "evil" nuclear energy.

    Charging electric cars at the residences of their owners cannot happen unless all new electric grids are created. This is NOT going to happen.

    Average folk have next to zero understanding concerning how much power it takes to run cities and industries. The energy we use is equivalent to multiple nuclear bombs going off every month. One gallon of gasoline if aerosolized and detonated has the explosive power of eitht (8) sticks of dynamite. When you fill-up your truck, you are pouring 160 sticks of dynamite into its tank. Let your truck run for a while then go place your hand on the engine block. OK, so NO you can't do that, else you'll fry the skin off your hand.

    Gasoline is portable. I keep spare gasoline and kerosene cans out in a shed (the 5-gallon cans are handy). I do not keep a whole lot of fuel; that can become dangerous -- one would have to have a dedicated metal shed with concrete slab and fire suppression (see fire-suppression below).

    Automatic fire-extinguishing units:

    https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/-Explosion-proof-6kg-hanging-dry_60613921029.html

    Anybody used / know about these fire suppression balls that explode and distribute a chemical powder:

    upload_2020-10-18_17-49-6.png

    Video of an idiot setting off an exploding fire-suppression ball in his hand (spoiler; he gets hurt, but not hospitalized):


    https://www.greatlakesskipper.com/f...0843&msclkid=d31dc78e35ac194d6e619802898109e4

    This particular model series is for marine, but these would work in a garage or workshead
    https://www.fireboy-xintex.com/ma2-fire-extinguisher/

    https://www.fireboy-xintex.com/marine-fire-extinguishing-systems/

    Serious, expensive, engineered for your specific need. Individual units available beginning at over $1200 ranging up to near $3K.
    https://www.fireboy-xintex.com/marine-fire-suppression-fes-series/
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  31. Pragmatist

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    Good evening Watcherchris,

    My guess is that the junk battery will have a large disposal fee.

    Buying an electric or hybred electric vehicle places one's name in a registry to monitor battery replacement or original status.

    DMV can send notices about costs, plus, administrative fees plus interest (Virginia is defacto insolvent; Fed stimulus $ keeps us functioning) if battery not properly disposed of.

    In the future, my guess again, is that the labor force population will be using the bus or light rail.

    The elderly retired and infirm will be stuck at their home until some holiday when some group might visit them.
     
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  32. Pragmatist

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    Good evening Old Geezer,

    No, not familiar with the pictured fire balls.

    I have bought large system haylon and later, haylogen fixed rig extinguisher.

    The actual cost was astronomical but when looking at what stuff is being protected, and the available insurance coverage, very worthy.
     
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  33. Old Geezer

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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...tm_source=mixi&utm_campaign=realclearpolitics

    "Keith Olbermann returned to politics this week after leaving ESPN again, easily attracting attention with this monologue."

    "Trump can be, and must be, expunged. The hate he has triggered, Pandora's boxes he has opened, they will not be so easily destroyed.

    "So, let us brace ourselves. The task is two-fold: the terrorist Trump must be defeated, must be destroyed, must be devoured at the ballot box, and then he, and his enablers, and his supporters, and his collaborators, and the Mike Lees and the William Barrs, and Sean Hannitys, and the Mike Pences, and the Rudy Gullianis and the Kyle Rittenhouses and the Amy Coney Barretts must be prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society while we try to rebuild it and to rebuild the world Trump has destroyed by turning it over to a virus."

    Seems the Left is preparing for war.

    https://newspunch.com/antifa-military-training-syria/

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/untold-story-syria-antifa-platoon-666159/

    https://www.lawofficer.com/black-lives-matter-leader-declares-war-on-police/
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    by Keith Olbermann..

    Give me the name of the god of this world....by name please????

    You are looking at/reading a demonic sermon...a fatwa....rabid...
    An Ishmaelite...looking to put others into bondage..just for their being..

    Are they so far gone that they think no one notices....no one can think their entitlement through to the name of their god..their very religion.???


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  36. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Watcherchris,

    Some have noticed.

    We've got our own Madam Defarge knitting our scarf.

    The above quoted material was in yesterday's Sunday Washington Compost.
     
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    Unless there is some major turn of events Trump will loose the election; how many here are expecting civil unrest post election, what scale of unrest are you expecting? Timeline, days, weeks or months before it kicks off?
     
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    not expecting civil unrest if Trump loses(which I dont think he will) but am expecting civil unrest if he Wins.
     
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    Up to this week I've expected Trump to get in but his chances now are slim, not impossible but slim. I noticed that at the next Trump/Biden broadcast microphones will be muted when its their time to speak which makes sense given the interruptions from Trump at the last one. I've been zooming with some Amercans I know on and off since the weekend, they are all extremely worried about this election Democrat or Republican. The one guy will be home election day and he and his wife are going on a five day canoe/camping trip.
     
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  42. lonewolf

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    well thats politics for you. Biden on the face of it seems to be ahead in the polls but we all know its about votes on the day not what poling companies say, they have been wrong before.
     
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  43. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Max,

    The field of planning is much more difficult than the field of intelligence.

    There are so many variables.

    "Months" can be eliminated from thoughts. For example, in international finance and in-flight emergencies over long-haul water routes, 10 minutes is allocated to strategic planning.

    In periods of political disturbances, camping/canoe trips don't have serious people participating. Perhaps your friends inherently gave you better information than what passes for news media.
     
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    Sorry, I should have been clearer for you, they will vote, then go canoeing and it will be the last 'summer' trip they have a chance to take this year (things get froze in Minnesota ;) ) they are very very serious about politics but their commitment is not for me to share here with strangers.
     
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    Good morning Max,

    Appreciate the clarification - but my point is still the same.

    Your friends who are pending an after-election Minnesota trip indicates that they do not believe the nation will be in a national security lockdown.

    I also don't think it will be. The national security apparatus will be on alert but there's only several "hot spots" needing a rapid reponse force "at the ready ".

    Nation-wide, the reserves and auxilleries are on standby.
     
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  46. lonewolf

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    no one here is a stranger, we are all friends, even you Max:p
    every prepper is another prepper's friend. its a bit like the biker community in that respect.
     
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  47. Old Geezer

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    If Trump wins, there will be rioting. Crime will also go up due to anger and demand for redistribution and revenge; flash-mob lootings will go up in frequency. Attacks on individuals will go up -- aggressions such as the "knock-out game", strong-arm robberies, and firearm/knife armed robberies.

    If Kamala wins and Social Democrats take Congress, there will be a looters holiday in the streets and in the capitol building.

    When a sports team wins, the winning cities see celebration rioting in the streets. Also, certain segments of society will have been given the green light that the oppressors have been defeated, thus time for war booty.

    A Kamala administration will raise taxes on everyone, not just oppressor capitalist businesses. Many people in the West have been conditioned to bend over for Big Brother and pay whatever taxes are demanded of them, but not in America. The economy is already bad, so higher taxes will kill. By the way, businesses NEVER pay higher taxes, they either raise the price on their goods or they lay-off workers. Higher prices on products is a tax on the middle class and on the poor.

    A Kamala win will also mean that mountains of money will be created out of thin air, thus watch the after-burners kick-in on inflation.

    A Kamala win will be a green light to Chinese acts of aggression. The rape of Hong Kong continues. Next will be Taiwan. The Philippines and Vietnam will lose access to the South China Sea. Canadian oil tankers that have been buzzed by Chinese fighter aircraft will no longer be able to navigate the waters of Greater China unless they pay tolls.

    Kamala, et. al. in the White House and the Left in congress will spell the ban on semiautomatic rifles and possibly all handguns. The oppressors need to be disarmed (too, inner-city crime is fueled by home burglaries to steal firearms; disarm civilians and gangs will not have access to firearms goes the socialist logic). The Democratic Party has called for semi-auto rifles and large capacity magazines to be classified by the federal government to be in the same firearms category as fully automatic weapons -- $200 tax on each and giving the right of the BATF to inspect the firearms you own without prior notice. Amerikans will submit to "their betters"; Americans will not. California banned "assault rifles" and a whopping 13% of owners complied, making 87% of them felons. If you once were a solid citizen then get turned into a felon by Big Brother, then why not just go ahead and side with the Small Government crew in the inevitable civil war?!

    American do not have the same mind-set as people living in other Western Nations (Austrian and Hungarian citizens are waking up, true). Americans fight. We are aggressive. There are the limp-wrists in the cities and suburbs, but most of them are without fighting skills, thus they do not count.

    https://money.usnews.com/investing/...wealthy-americans-rush-to-change-estate-plans

    https://townhall.com/columnists/jos...ence-plan-is-bad-news-for-gun-owners-n2573885

    The knock-out game:





    Asians are also oppressors:



    The oppressed see Jewish people as oppressors:



    After the November election in America, watch America shatter. Unity may return to America, however this will not occur before a hideous blood-letting.
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    While the leftist / socialist spend their time prancing about and screaming mindless dogma. The right spend their time loading ammo. Who would you bet on in a time of violent confrontation?
     
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    That's just it.

    Because the people of the USA and the West have rolled over and taken socialist aggressions against their Liberty, it is imagined that such transgressions can go on and on and on. It is imagined that the people who actually make countries run, the solid people, the working class will continue to just "take-it", just go on sleeping.

    Problem is that if the tiger is forced into fully awakening, some seriously messed-up aggression will follow. If we go back into the history of Caucasian peoples, they are all about pacificity, sweetness, and light; right?! Wrong. Caucasians kill people. Caucasians are on record as having killed entire peoples. Leave the tiger alone, or else.

    http://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/stories-essays/the-parable-of-the-sleeping-tiger/
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    Hope there's no lockdown, he's due up to the chilly north for work after the canoe break. Fantastic couple they had me over back in 2016 and we got a couple of days paddle time in...happy days; a rushed trip but well worth the effort.
     
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