Collapsing Of The United States

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  1. lonewolf

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    yes, and so will an independent Britain.
     
  2. watcherchris

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    by Texdanm,

    Hitler was carrying on with his version of the plans of the Kaiser....in his own version. Germany was trying to break out of the English economic encirclement of the Crown....and form it's own trade and markets..even before WW1 and the Kaiser..

    The proof is that Germany even had a couple of small colonies in Africa and the Crown was trying to cut them out.

    Germany finally decided to build a railroad to get out into world trade and this railroad ran from Berlin to Bagdad...it was called the Orient Express and this was how Germany planned to do this..

    And the British sent Lawrence of Arabia...TF Lawrence to work against this railroad system...and harry the Germans in the Desert..to cut off Germany's land attempts at getting out into World Markets.

    Hitler was aware of this pattern...and would go on to say.."They will buy our butter or they will buy our guns."

    Not something you will read in most history books.

    And again....we go to war on someone else's behalf and then rebuild nations...often winding up rebuilding our competitors.....even nations who do not like us.


    By lonewolf...

    America was formed some two centuries ago...but with rights from God...not from Government.

    Subjects are granted privileges from the sovereign and the sovereign can grant, modify, or take them away at the will of the sovereign.

    Aussies are subjects...so too Kiwis..

    The average American today has not a clue about this kind of status..and I believe the system is so designed to keep Americans very very ignorant of this knowledge.

    Our rights are from God and we do not need a reason to get arms....or other liberties and freedoms. We do not need to justify this to government.

    Rights are not licensed by government and that represents a huge difference.


    Once you know this about rights from God....you know how incredibly stupid and ignorant is this Shelia Jackson Lee..and counting on Americans not knowing .

    This is a peculiar knowledge not known by the average American today....but you'd best believe that in the court system they know this but count on the concept that the average American does not any longer know this.

    Government in taking people to court will often try to switch jurisdictions on people without them knowing it has happened. Meaning take advantage of the public's ignorance about so much.

    Rights from God are not licensed...taxed, nor insured...and this is known by most court systems though they will try to frame a case to not allow this to become public knowledge.

    In this manner more Americans can be herded properly to government/Deep State Controls.


    Be warned the Ishmaelites,

    Watcherchris.
     
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      Thank you for your comments on guns and God given rights. It was in my head but I would not have written it near so well. Our founding fathers knew the difference between the rights of men as granted by God and the limitations that should place on the governance of men. I believe tyrants deny God so they do not have to acknowledge those rights of men granted by God. Hasn't history shown that the powerful either want to be considered Gods or want God destroyed. Just my opinion.
       
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  3. Old Geezer

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    Human nature is the same today as it was 200 years ago, 2,000 yrs ago, 20,000 years ago. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    A vote means nothing unless it can be backed up with force.

    "Benevolent governments" are as common as the Jabberwock.

    My government is not my friend -- especially now that an invalid regime has ensconced itself in Washington D.C., surrounded by razor wire, surrounded by a vetted troop.

    Civilization is a thing gossamer-thin. It is often times ripped by some tiny breeze of history. In this day in which we currently find ourselves, those imagining that this civilization thingy is a thing of substance, something upon which they can rest their security, are people who stand to perish.

    As to crime, the people of the United States whose ancestors came from Europe have the same violent crime rates as seen in Europe today. The people in the USA who have the lowest firearms ownership rates have the highest violent crime rates. The presence of firearms is statistically insignificant. The goal of the "do-gooders" is to disarm the well-behaving people so that the aggressive inferior people will not steal the firearms of the decent people and use these weapons to commit robberies and murders. The bleeding hearts of the do-gooders play into the hands of the satanic oligarchs.

    Speaking of satanic oligarchs, the Left has another agenda and that is to remove their own fear of decent people. You see, the Left wishes to put its boot on the neck of productive people so as to enslave them to their own purposes. Such an act is an act of war. Slave owners do not allow their slaves the ability to fight back. The deep state of Amerika is using the current biden puppet-administration to subjugate Americans. They have multiple tactics, two of which are to inflate-away the dollar and to disarm the citizenry. The Left has already succeeded in gaining control over the ballot boxes.

    Humans who have steel in their spines do stand straight, will fight, will gather unto themselves the means by which they can resist oppressors with deadly force should it come to that. Liberty is sacred. Noble people have laid down their lives for Sacred Liberty. Such sacrifices cannot be forgotten. We must today resist the anti-Christ usurpers even as did our ancestors. Seems Hell's gates have yet again been breached, therefore it is upon clean souls to struggle and push the damned souls back down into the pit where they belong.

    Look out upon this filthy world today and witness the battlefield of Armageddon being set. We who know what is coming must not be interrupted in our necessary preparations by the crunching sounds made by the maw of the anti-Christ chewing up the souls of those who chose to wear blinders.

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  4. Max rigger

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    Well said and I do wish our American members would try and remember that you are allowed rifles in the UK but need a through back ground check and training, we can't just pop into Wally World and buy a firearm.
     
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    By Lonewolf
    By Max Rigger.





    Yes...some of us know.....about conditions in the UK as subjects..,.

    Precisely the system someone wants to institute here in the United States in order to make us subjects...not citizens with Rights...and all along hoping few notice the difference or change.

    People with Rights from God do not ask permission.....they just do it.

    People with Rights from God do not look for approval/blessings from government...Subjects do.

    Rights from God are never licensed..nor insured...by government...that would be operating outside of their Jurisdiction in this country....as citizens with Rights....versus subjects with privileges.


    Thinking of history as to how many times the USA has had to ship arms to the UK because they were unprepared for war...not only in Arms but people trained to use them.

    This is a very covered up piece of history.

    This is how America got the P14 Enfield rifle ..

    Pattern 1914 Enfield - Wikipedia

    Again this history is mostly avoided today in lieu of the PC versions.... Americans are never supposed to be able to think this far...in lieu of ESPN and the Kardashians.

    Bad Bad Americans...those pathetic upstarts......until someone needs them...to bail them out....again.


    Mind you now....I verily like my Ishapore Enfield in .308 calibration but never had the opportunity to get one of those 30.06 Enfields. When you find them at shows...they are very expensive ..just like the 30 caliber Springfield rifles.

    I just don,t have much use for the .303 calibration....unless it was much more available here...as is 30.06 ammunition.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  6. lonewolf

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    not for long WC, not if Biden has his way. the US is heading for a one party state.
    Biden may have to retire through heath reasons part way through his term then you will get that Harris woman and thats one out and out communist, then watch out!!
     
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  7. watcherchris

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    Yes....exactly what I have been saying.....someone wants to turn us into Englishmen....Subjects...not citizens with rights....,

    Oh.....and we already have a one party state...it is just that the average television and or movie trained American cannot understand how they are being herded by both parties.

    The Republicans are a huge part of the problem and often silent when they should be speaking up and educating the American People about what is going on.

    I am oft want to declare the Republicans as merely Democrat Lite for their silence. To me the Republicans represent someone or something ..just not the American People.

    Yes...we already have a one party state....

    Da Tavorich???


    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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  8. Old Geezer

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    Hear, hear!

    "Yes...some of us know.....about conditions in the UK as subjects..,."

    Spot on!

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subject
    "Definition of 'subject'
    1 : one that is placed under authority or control: such as
    a : vassal
    b(1) : one subject to a monarch and governed by the monarch's law
    (2) : one who lives in the territory of, enjoys the protection of, and owes allegiance to a sovereign power or state"

    True Americans find the term "subject", as in "I am a subject of my government", repugnant beyond all measure. We are men and women, i.e. adults, not children who must be led.

    The U.S. Constitution has us as citizens. We send representatives of our views and ideas to Congress where they are to vote our views and ideas. The executive branch is led by a president; this branch is but 1/3 rd of our government. Legally, the presidency has a goodly amount of say when it comes to their right to veto bills sent to their desk from the Congress and the Senate. The only time the president has significant power is during times of war when the president becomes the Commander in Chief. The Supreme Court exists to make sure laws follow strictly the Constitution. The Constitution keeps the federal government small and out of the way of the individual states. Most of what needs to be taken care of by local / regional exigencies is handled at the state level. America is HUGE and the people of different regions differ in their beliefs and needs. The economy of Iowa is significantly different than the economy of Rhode Island. I've experienced both up-close-and-personal; trust me, they are almost different countries. Appalachian States vs. the Pacific States basically exist on two different planets. Therefore central government is unimaginably poor in any attempt to come up with laws that apply to all states -- the majority weight of laws must be regional.

    Those who look to the president as the leader of this nation and of them, are weak souls. The presidency is only allowed to exist by the citizenry. We are the ones who make the country run. If put upon, we will push back to whatever degree is necessary. Capitulation is a vile and hideous concept.

    I am an independent citizen. I do not subjugate my God-given Liberty to government. The people in government are NOT my betters -- far from it. It is my personal agreement to join my fellow citizens in unity when we are forced by circumstance to act together as one entity. Unity is NOT a thing to be imposed upon a free people. I am NOT a part of some collective. Citizens are individuals, NOT members of a herd.

    The second amendment to the U.S. Constitution allows the free peoples of the varying states to take up arms against the federal government should it attempt to subjugate them.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjugate
    "Definition of subjugate
    1 : to bring under control and governance as a subject : conquer
    2 : to make submissive : subdue"

    "Did You Know?
    "Since jugus means "yoke" in Latin, subjugate means literally 'bring under the yoke'. Farmers control oxen by means of a heavy wooden yoke over their shoulders. In ancient Rome, conquered soldiers, stripped of their uniforms, might actually be forced to pass under an ox yoke as a sign of submission to the Roman victors. ... ."
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  9. TexDanm

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    Biden wants to be the first American King. He is ruling by edict and bypassing congressional oversight. They also are planning to basically turn the Supreme court into a branch of the incumbent party and that will allow him to do ANYTHING. Basically the liberals want to finally finish off the constitution.

    I’m sorry but this is what we deserve! We have allowed ANYONE to vote and guess what idiots, criminals and illegal aliens don’t vote for what is best for the nation. Biden is now importing as many new votors as he can and giving them a free ride, instant welfare citizens and Dumbocrat voters.

    We have become lazy and allowed our government to become corrupt. We have a two party system where NEITHER party is actually interested in doing what is right and good for the working class Americans. Instead they both are serving a small part of our nation and special interests rather than national needs.

    If a person can’t support themselves they don’t deserve the vote. If a person is a criminal the damn sure don’t deserve to vote. If a person is not an American citizen they should not be allowed to vote. We need to ELIMINATE professional politicians. One shot at each level, local state and federal and then HAVE to go out and work in the place tand under the rules that they create.

    We need to return to the original intentions of the constitution as it was originally written. We need to reinstate the poll tax. It was not that it cost much, what it did was required a citizen to have the intreat and ability to make the effort to do it. A vast number of our voters would not be able to vote if they had to mail in or go and sign a paper to have the vote. They have no responsibility and so vote for cake and circuses.
     
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  10. Old Geezer

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    For whatever reason, I love my Enfields. The .303, even when downloaded from its potential, is a fine caliber -- a caliber sufficient to take most most North American game. It is a rifle chambering proven in war ... after war ... after war. I love being able to take two stripper clips and easily fill my rifle with 10 rounds of powerful ammunition. The bolt action of the Enfield is almost graceful. I can rip out rounds like nobody's business. It's no semiautomatic, yet a man who has become one with his Enfield can be mistaken by his enemy as being a man so armed. To outward appearance these rifles are, I must say it / do forgive, exceedingly ugly. Yet were it my girlfriend -- and maybe it is -- my smile would never leave and I would gladly put her on my arm.

    I've held, owned, and fired military bolt-action rifles from around the world (Mausers & Nagants in particular; put hundreds of rounds through them), yet the Enfields remain my favorite. They stand ready with their bandoliers full of .303 in stripper clips.

    Speaking of favorites, here's me favorite lads:

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  11. watcherchris

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    We are moving now, and rapidly, into a Non Representative Government masquerading as a Representative Government.

    A government only Representing those who will help keep them in power....

    The rest are labeled as systemic Racists or any other Antifa, BlM label that can be put on them.

    The key is understanding their devotion to the blame game....so popular with the left...combined with Victimization.

    My question is how and or when will others catch on .

    In Brief...I am describing Ishmaelites desiring to put a nation into their form of Bondage..or again....to make us into Englishmen and Continentals...

    Subjects with privileges and not Citizens with rights.

    Watcherchris
    NOt an Ishmaelite.
     
  12. Old Geezer

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    I agree. Yet, we didn't deserve the socialist takeover. The election was stolen via Democrat-machine controlled polling places in urban areas. Those cities/states deserve to be bent-over by Big Brother Amerika.

    American states have begun to remove their cooperation with the Bully Borg. The Borg rapes the people of the states out of their earned income, then holds these funds even as the sword of Damocles over the heads of their state governments, "Obey our dictates or you'll never see your education funds nor road funds." Money for education and the maintenance of roads should have never left the states in the first place.

    The states separating from the fed is one mechanism by which the Borg can be injured. As taxation increases and consumer prices head into the stratosphere, citizens will be turned into scofflaws. Who is willingly going to obey anti-Constitutional laws? People are going to start dragging their feet. Even in Commie California, when semi-automatics were banned, only 13% of the owners of these rifles allowed their confiscation by invalid government. If BLM or Antifa move in to America from Amerika, they will be sent to hospitals ... if they are lucky. State governors have and are going to refuse to allow their National Guard units to be used by the Borg.

    Here is another thing that will aid in the crippling of Big Brother, natural catastrophes. California is massively overdue for massive earthquakes. Mid-nation, the New Madrid is a ticking time bomb. When these go off, the immediate destruction will be bad and maybe only a few hundred thousand will die, but millions will be homeless, entire regions of this nation will be without power for weeks/months. As the grid and the economy collapse, so will the ability of the Borg to continue its oppression of the free citizens of this country. Me, I'm waiting on King Neptune to wash the western coastal cities into the great Pacific -- a tidal wave goodbye, as it were.

    The residents of the cities of Amerika have flipped God the bird. Me, I wouldn't do that.

    Tick, tick, tick, ... .
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  13. Old Geezer

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    Over 70,000,000 have caught on and this number is rapidly rising.

    The angerometer needle passed "Very Angry" long ago and now is well within "Fury".

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    We know this full and well. That is why we will not go quietly in giving up our 2nd amendment rights. Just like you said. You are allowed certain firearms by your government.

    allow
    [əˈlou]
    VERB
    allowed (past tense) · allowed (past participle)
    1. give (someone) permission to do something.
      "the dissident was allowed to leave the country"
      synonyms:
      permit · let · authorize · give someone permission to · give authorization to ·
      [more]
      • permit (someone) to have (something).
        "he was allowed his first sip of Scotch and soda"
      • permit (someone) to enter a place or go in a particular direction.
        "the river was patrolled and few people were allowed across"
    Permit ie. permission can be revoked by your government at any time and for any reason. That's the difference Americans go on about. I don't know any better way to explain it.

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      There it is. Distilled truth.
      Why is it that many, many people cannot act on their own?! And above that, why don't the sheeple get furious when some entity stands in their way of actin on their own?!
      I am a free man. I go on about my life. God mandates good behavior, "it is written"; therefore, I go out of my way to act in a civilized fashion. I fear God. If government attempts to be my god, then the government is my enemy. Do not tax or regulate my rights as a human being. Try to harm me and I will harm you. I do not turn the other cheek. I do not come to understand lies -- I oppose them. If a tree stands in my way, I get out my chainsaw. Brrrrrrrrr brrr brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, CRUNCH-POP, K'THUD! I then chop-up Mr. Tree.
       
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  15. TexDanm

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    Anger and frustration only have an effect on you. None of it means anything without action being taken. We are sitting here angry and frustrated and yet idly watching the liberals import the destruction of our nation.

    We don't NEED to import more people to go on welfare. We have plenty of those. We need to close our borders, with violence if neccesary and then send all of the foreigners home. Once we are down to Americans only we then need to return the nation to the rules of the people that support and pay for this nation.

    If you are convicted of a felony you never vote again. If you are on welfare you don't need to vote until you again become selfsuporting. I think that it would be worthwhile to require all young people after highschool to serve a couple of years in the military. If you are not willing to defend it you don't need to be running it.

    We need to put an END to lifetime welfare support. Give them a job. If they are capable and won't work take their kids sterilize them and let them starve to death.
     
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  16. lonewolf

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    anyone in the US who thinks they are free hasnt yet woken up to what the Democrats and Biden and that Harris woman are capable of.
     
  17. Old Geezer

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    The Democrats and the biden administration are capable of starting a civil war.

    If the anti-Freedom Left decides to go to war against Liberty-loving Americans, who will they get to fight for them? The actual fighters in the military lean heavily to the Right. Police and sheriff departments lean to the Right. Governors are refusing to send their National Guard units to support the current crew in D.C..

    Americans do not just roll over and take it. We have and will fight back.

    The people who populated this country rejected European-type authority. Genetically we are still in great abundance. Think about the >100M of us who are Scots-Irish. Genetically, we do not back down. My Y chromosome comes from a county in the south of Ulster and the rest of my genetics are a Celt/Viking, throw in some German, mix. My genetics are super common here in America. My people fight for sport.

    If we are pushed, we will do more than just push back. If conservative America is awakened, there will be hell to pay. We are the ones who engineer the killing machines.

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    "GOP Governors Recall National Guard Units After Gross Mistreatment at Dem-Controlled Capitol"

    https://www.westernjournal.com/gop-...ts-gross-mistreatment-dem-controlled-capitol/

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    "Police Departures Soar Nationwide Amid Rising Criticism"

    https://thecrimereport.org/2021/01/15/police-departures-soar-nationwide-amid-rising-criticism/

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    https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-outlooks-in-preparation-for-what-is-to-come/

    "The majority of the U.S. military rank and file are patriots; America-first nationalists with a patriotic outlook toward the United States as a constitutional republic. The majority of the military also come from red states. This is an identified risk to the Obama objective of fundamental change. Additionally, thanks in large part to a purge during the Obama era, the majority of the flag officers are not in alignment with the rank and file. This sets the stage for a problem…."

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    Sheriffs rebel against anti-Constitutional law

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/v...putize-thousands-to-protect-their-gun-rights/

    "In response, counties across the state have been declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries and pledging not to enforce rights-infringing laws the legislature and Governor Coonman seem sure to put in place."

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    "Scotland’s engineering heritage"


    https://www.theengineersring.com/uncategorised/scotlands-engineering-heritage/

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    Anyone imagining that we are stupid would be wrong. This "ignorant" hillbilly graduated university summa cum laude, undergrad (math and science I can do, with English I still struggle). Did better in grad school; but then back in the good old days, you'd get kicked out if you weren't up to the task. And here is the thing, I am not alone. I look around me and see people who are by-god smart; maybe they do not have a degree (so what), but they can fix anything, are great hunters, and own productive land upon which they grow food. There are hoards of us in America and we are the conservatives.

    Think we will just "take it" from a pack of idiots? Wrong.

    We are given to civilized behavior, but if the Left crosses the Rubicon, our awakening will be a horror for them.
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  18. lonewolf

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    I hope your right because if you arent the first US civil war will look like a kiddies picnic in comparison.
    anybody can talk a good fight, whether the majority of the population think like you do is another matter, times have moved on and an urban modern lifestyle is now normal, those that stormed the Capitol on Jan 6th are but a small proportion of the general public, as for the Police and armed Forces how many will jeopardise their careers by going against the political elite especially if they might fail?
     
  19. Dalewick

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    I believe OG is correct. My people are known as Hillbillies and we have went to war against the Federal government before over labor issues. If they try to push beyond the tipping point, then they will get a war. It will get ugly and food and goods will cease to flow into the urban areas. The Democrat/Liberal strongholds.

    This manual is very popular in my region. Probably in most of rural US.

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  20. lonewolf

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    thats what the CSA thought, but they still lost, have you considered the implications if history repeats itself?
    anyone on the losing side will probably be tried for Treason.
     
  21. poltiregist

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    Perhaps a bit different than the recent discussion but something someone may find interesting . Me along with 3 more of my group returned last night from a long trek exploring fallback survival retreat options . Our journey took us to northern Montana near the Canadian border with the U.S. to inspect a property we were considering buying . The property was very remote and very steep . It was so steep we couldn't even lay down to sleep unless we lay in the forestry road . We considered building a tree house on the side of the mountain , so we went to a local lumber yard to price material . There we found out a stud 2x4 cost about $9.00 . A sheet of plywood 3/4 inch , finished on one side about 100 dollars . In the end we decided the property simply was not the property for us . If purchased that would have made the 3rd survival property within our control .---- On the way back to our primary survival retreat we swung south and into the Bear Tooth Mountains to a place familiar to us . We hiked into a remote canyon to camp for the night . The ground was still covered in snow but we managed to find a spot where the sun had melted a small area . There we set up camp . Pulling dead bark and twigs hanging above the snow we gathered enough material to soon have us a fire going . I put us some beer in the snow to stay cold and lay my sleeping bag on the frozen damp ground . It was a cold night but also was one of the high points of the trip .
     
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  22. watcherchris

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    Thinking not your strong suit when concerns civil war lonewolf...

    We have already has attempts at a civil war back in the Obama Administration and this is not the first such incident....

    And this is not the first time the left has tried to get ahold of a nuclear device...

    Not sure what some are thinking...

    This is the Crown working here....not the people of England..


    Top US Commander Under Arrest For Refusing To Fire Nukes At Russia - News Punch

    I remember this incident and one other from the Obama Administration.,


    My question is would this current leftist administration turn nuclear weapons on America and Americans to keep and maintain their power base...for the internationalists Deep State/Crown..as good boot lackeys.
    Remember...these people are verily entitlement minded...it is their religion.

    You are not looking at this from a sufficiently big perspective..

    America has already gone beyond civil war....


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    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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  23. Dalewick

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    Yes they do. They will also consider the consequences of doing nothing. If this goes as I fear, treason will be the least of charges to be made. The last time I witnessed this much anger in a population was when Marcos was deposed in the Philippines and fled for his life. It wasn't this bad there. America is choosing up sides and each side seems to hate the other. No middle ground any more. No willingness to meet in the middle. It's just sad.

    Dale
     
  24. watcherchris

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    Most Americans, secure behind their televisions, movies, cellphones , and steering wheels do not know that under the Obama administration the US Military was on the verge of a coup against the White House.

    What stopped it was Donald Trump running for President.

    That was the nature of the revolt about to take place...here in America.,

    Do you think for one minute that the Deep State/Crown has not already factored this in???

    This information is avoided today ...deleted....


    We are not to be able to think or remember this far back.


    Watcherchris
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  25. Dalewick

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    This is why the left's plants in the services are working so hard to control the recruitment pools. Recruit primarily from urban areas and it alters the mindset of your force.

    Chris, I would have bet good money most had no idea what the mindset of the military was by the end of the Obama administration. The entire Special Operations community was PISSED OFF! The US Army Special Forces had actually wrote a letter of protest and most of the force had signed it. I'm seeing that Trump era good will vanish like mist in the morning sun..

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    The people who stormed the capitol have nothing to do with American conservatives.

    "... jeopardize their careers ..." That which is going to set off our civil war is going to be the collapse of the dollar and likely every other Western currency. Our government, your government, European governments are all going to go flat broke. There will be quadrillions of dollars and Euros, but those entities will be worthless. Computer networks will be down, therefore bitcoin and other pretend electronic currencies will be meaningless. No soldiers are going to be paid. If you let soldiers loot for their pay, they go feral and will stop obeying government or anybody else for that matter. AWOL troop head to where the food is grown. They'll not be protecting the cities anymore, that's for sure. Hungry young soldiers will take their rifles with them, gather their families and head for where there is food. Anyone or anything standing in there way will get destroyed. Crowded roads will be pushed aside with heavy equipment, military and commandeered construction equipment.

    In Eastern Europe, some soldiers sold their Soviet tank for cases of vodka. By the time the tank was located, it was being oxygen-torched into scrap metal and engine parts.

    States that have military returning will be able to resist any Constitution burners. Washington D.C. deep state folk still living will not have any fighters to fight for them. Trying to train recruits from urban areas will be like trying to herd cats. They will be worthless. Today's military needs people with courage and higher than average I.Q. scores -- not going to find that in the cities. Drive-by shootings tell you all you need to know about their courage levels.

    Base minimum, 50 million Americans are going to die before their time in the next 10 years. Not going to be pretty.
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    I wait to see if things happen as you envisage, most of what you say I agree with but in a societal and system wide collapse, sort of TEOTWAWKI situation but not as a civil war scenario, in a civil war scenario many of the systems will remain intact and be there long after the violence has ended.
    again I'm not sure how many people would get involved in a second American Civil War, many of the population are sheeple and wont want to get involved.
     
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    Lonewolf,

    Are these people not looking to get involved...going to have a choice....are they sufficiently ignorant to believe they are going to be safe behind their cell phones, television and movie screens???? Behind their sports gods and or the Kardashians????


    I have taken the initiative to stock three lockers at work with food stuffs. Am wondering if I will even be able to get to work and if there...safely come home...should it get that bad???

    Nonetheless...I've done something to create a type of option for myself...if need be..

    I know of no one else who has even tried this kind of thing to make themselves options at work and have asked myself why??? Will it even be safe to get my food out of these lockers???

    Also have a small quantity of spare clothes at work as well.

    Will I even be able to get to and fro work....either in my cars or on my scooters?? That too will become a significant question mark should these event happen.


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  29. Old Geezer

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    Here's a standoff reported in the news and has videos associated.

    The gray man has a small revolver and I'm pretty sure that it is a North American Arms .22. These come in .22 LR and .22 Mag. The .22 LR is not sufficient to the task of self defense. I've got one of these in .22 mag. and often drop it in my pocket when at home. Got one in my pocket as I write this. It weighs almost nothing. The .22 mag. will shoot right through a pressure-treated 2" x 4". Blow's-out a half-dollar sized hole upon exit. Shot a rabbit one time with a .22 mag rifle -- its intestines were sucked-out the far side of a shoulder shot. Basically, it turned the rabbit inside-out.

    These things will leap out your hand, so you gotta put some larger grips on them. I did and it makes a WORLD if difference when shooting. Note that these aren't just loud, no, they sound like a cannon and will deafen you if you don't have hearing protection.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/video-gun-toting-restaurant-patron-blm-protesters-louisville

    Note that the peaceful protesters are armed. In Charlottesville in 2017, Antifa was armed with semiautomatic rifles; AR-15s and AK-47 rifles.
     
  30. EarlyMarksman

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    Why not?
     
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    Genetically advanced / fully evolved humans behave like civilized humans.

    The presence or non-presence of firearms doesn't alter core behavioral sets. Look at all of the places on Earth where firearms are not held by the people, yet murders are 8x that of the people who are armed to the teeth (White Americans, for instance).

    In America, we essentially paid Chinese workers wages that were incompatible with getting-by in life. After we got our railroads built, we consigned the Chinese and Irish to ghettos. We burned their ghettos and killed Chinese for being Chinese. One hundred and fifty plus years later, Chinese Americans are the curve-busters. Communist Universities are mightily bigoted toward them due to their successes and thus diminish their numbers with quotas that favor minorities.

    We also treated the Japanese like dog poop that had gotten stuck to the soles of our shoes and they too are now curve-busters.

    Asian-American crime rates are but a teeny-tiny blip on Justice Department statistic charts concerning violent crime.

    We humans are what we are from the get-go.

    Communists get furious when you challenge their dogmas -- college professors in particular. Professors in the false sciences such as Sociology and Government Studies are born-again Secular Humanists. They sh## a squealing-worm when their false religion is challenged. This is why they must be made to go away.
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    Law for one thing, lack of interest in firearms is another. Brits just are not interested in gun ownership, same as most other countries in the world.
     
  33. Old Geezer

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    "Law for one thing, lack of interest in firearms is another. Brits just are not interested in gun ownership, same as most other countries in the world."

    As hundreds, even thousands, more of your young girls are abused by savage interlopers, as more civilized people are slashed and stabbed by the uninvited, I see you Brits taking more interest in protecting yourselves and your little girls. This is especially true given that your castrated law enforcement officers can do less and less to protect you. Your criminal element is always going to be armed -- they are not afraid of the police. And your criminal element looks like it will always be growing in numbers. In America, we have tens of millions of "humans" who are little more than savages. Britain sure isn't infected percentage-wise as we are, but you'll eventually get there. More people, less food to feed them.

    Or maybe the majority of Brits have learned to accept being victims. As an American, I'm not able to understand that. In urban areas, White American men have become effeminate and feel no shame in it. This will be another reason our cities will melt-down ... if nukes don't melt our cities down first (North Korean military knows that the USA is currently without a Commander in Chief).

    Phrases that leap to mind:

    "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by six."

    "Death before dishonor." -------- "Derived from a Roman phrase. The Latin saying was: 'Mors Ante Infamiam' 'infamiam' meaning infamy'. ('dishonour' is a synonym.). Another version of the phrase was: 'Potius Mori Quam Foedare,' which means 'rather to die than to be dishonoured'."
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    Hate it for y'all.
     
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    Finished reloading the 168 rounds of .38 Special ammo which was shot up about a month ago.

    I decided to get up off my donkey and get this done.

    Been reading about the chaos going on in alot of American big cities via uncivilized two legged wildlife ....with the local constabulary being made to stand down.

    This will all be fine until someone of the Elite or their children get hurt by the two legged uncivilized wildlife. Then things will suddenly get serious....

    But again ...in textbook elite fashion ..I see them only hurting law abiding civilized disciplined people and doing nothing about two legged wildlife.

    I see that eventually coming here to this city.


    Been hearing more stories of people leaving/moving out of these kind of cities for red states..and causing a housing boom in said red states.

    I also know some people from rural Virginia moving to a red state to seek employment in building these homes as that is their trade...home construction.


    Not a good idea to bring big city two legged wildlife ways to these red states...as many of these people don't put up with it...including the local constabulary. Also many of these families are related...going way way back...including the constabulary.


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  36. Old Geezer

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    Portland Antifa armed, stopping cars, demanding that people get out of their cars and submit to their rule of the city.

    Police powerless to maintain order.

    Warning this genetic trash is using very foul, satanic language.

    Video comes up in mute mode -- will have to turn off mute, however the language being used against civilians is beyond foul.

    https://twitter.com/drewwest_press/status/1390417994317189120

    War.
     
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    Peaceful protesters armed. Making death threats. Driver was perfectly within his rights to open fire on enemy combatants.

    War!
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    the last time England had a civil war was back in the mid 17th century, 80% of the UK population now live in cities and large urban centres and the majority are not just not interested in guns many of them are anti gun and anti hunting.
    most have the attitude " oh! I couldnt eat Bambi!" when asked about game meat.,
    I think a lot of Americans havent moved on from The Wild West "shoot first and ask questions later" sort of attutude, most Brits seem to be more interested in the latest mobile device than firearms.
     
  41. poltiregist

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    Vikings loved the complacent mindset , made easy pickings . As preppers we may not be able to do much about the rest of the country we find ourselves living in but don't have to fall into a lockstep march with them . Preppers are not your typical citizen and should be prepared for multiple scenarios including defenses . If someone is marching along with the crowd they probably are not a prepper . --- We are already seeing governments turning against those that they see not marching along and accepting propaganda . This is even more reason to prepare defenses .
     
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  42. lonewolf

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    thats why we call non preppers "sheeple" although that is an insult to sheep.
    most people think nothing bad will ever happen and are therefore taken by surprise when it does happen.
    being a prepper means we have to think differently than your ordinary person in the street, sometimes this results in us being called "paranoid"-I have lost count of the times I have been called that online, but I dont care, better to be paranoid than found wanting in a crisis (or dead).
    "Those that prepare are surprised by nothing but those with their heads in the sand are surprised by EVERYTHING". unquote.
     
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    "Paranoid..." Wow....

    What happens to that type who are quick to call paranoid...is that when something bad happens they lookk for someone or something to attach themselves to in order to get freebees for themselves and their families.

    Years ago when the power went out for some time the city put a generator at a major intersection to keep the traffic light going.

    One of these unprepared types stole the generator and let the public fend for themselves while they endangered the rest of the public by stealing said generator.

    I too worry about my generators should a major power outage take place....by way of such two legged civilized wildlife who can prep plenty of snacks for tonight's game or television program but not for such hardship.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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  44. lonewolf

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    we have seen what happens when something bad happens, cue the great TP shortage!
    I grew up in an era before freezers and supermarkets and mobile phones and ipads and whatever, everyone had a larder and you didnt run out of anything because the shops closed at 6pm sharp and didnt open at all on a sunday.
    people "prepared" although they didnt call it that back then, it was just common sense, something that is as dead as a dodo these days.
    now most people think the supermarkets will always be full and open 24/7/364 days a year, but that is not the case as the pandemic has shown.
     
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    I can understand why people don't stock up; in normal times there is simply no need, you can shop round the clock, order food for home delivery whether groceries or a meal, next day delivery on just about anything etc; it was very different pre and post WW2, people had to stock up because of limited shop opening times and no fast food; you had to cook meals from scratch. A takeaway meal back then was fish and chips.

    Even in the height of the pandemic essential stores have remained open 12/7/365, the food distribution chain proved itself to be robust and there were no actual food shortages apart from pasta and loo roll for a week or so, so even after a year of pandemic I doubt many people have actually thought about getting in a months supply of food, some have but not many. They will learn the hard way if indeed a major SHTF event happens.

    My garage is like a mini mart and I'll keep it stocked but I'm going to look at use by dates and donate a lot to a local food bank while its in code and replace with new stock and extend my range.
     
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    Lonewolf,

    I will remind you and the readers/members here of the History of the UK in WW1 and also in WW2...wherein the Uk found itself woefully deficient of small arms...and turned to the west to make up the difference.

    Again most Americans are woefully unawares of this history ..and I believe our education systems keep us so deficient. And so too it seems the people in the UK...,


    Even many Americans think food magically appears in the grocery stores....abra cadabera....a wave of the magical hand.....as if by pressing the button on a remote controller...or cell phone.

    Most of us have no idea how much work and planning it takes to get it there. Not just food but other commodities as well.


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  47. poltiregist

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    Things my group and I have endured for being different . Law enforcement waiting at the end of our dirt road to harass and possibly charge someone with a ridiculous charge , being pulled over and seemingly a planned kill or arrest because my car tag was going to expire , phone tapped , a group of about 6 federal agents coming to my job site to take my picture , a kid in our group at about 16 years of age having a pistol put up to the side of his head on a remote road by a law official . I am indeed paranoid and for good reason . ---- Seemingly the next possible infraction will be for not getting a covid 19 shot . Already roads in some states are being blocked where people are being questioned about their travels , intentions and covid 19 status . Rumors of stores requiring proof of vaccination abounds . It may soon be to the point of having to hunker down on our survival retreat in a self sufficient mode .
     
  48. lonewolf

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    once the supply chain collapses a lot of people are in for a surprise and not a nice one.
    look what happened when that ship got stuck in the suez canal, everything backed up behind it, and that was just a minor event, wait until its a major event.
    thankfully out here in rural land I can buy all my vegetables (those I dont already grow myself) and meat from local (non supermarket) sources and that wont change even after a large event.
     
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    Britain didnt have much small arms because a lot of it was left on the beach at Dunkirk.
     
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