Demonic Insanity In Gun Control.....are They For Real???

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  1. watcherchris

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    Was having breakfast at a local establishment when something came to me in the Demonic insanity department....about how backwards things are and leadership in both Whorish political parties is once again trying to keep the general public uninformed and ignorant.

    And I mean here Insanely Demonic....to the Nth Degree....big time.....,


    This administration in particular comes across as a xerox copy of previous administrations and in particular on Gun Control.....


    Now think about this ...and think past the nonsense behind what "Appears" to be leadership when in fact is it not ...it is a huge con job once you know a bigger picture than, I believe, even the phony Republicans want us not to be able to think for ourselves.

    Now I am certain the Democrats are phony and deceitful, but many have difficulty understanding how the so called Conservative Republican party can be so deceitful. And Demonic as well.

    The answer is in their silence on so many issues...."Silence."


    Now here is the deal and or the lay of the land....in the big picture...which I believe many including the media, political parties and public education work hard to keep us from thinking this far on our own...

    Mayhap now some of you can understand why I have no interest in watching the Super Bowl later today...none at all..


    Ok...

    We just left a huge mountain of weapons, vehicles and other supplies in Afghanistan...and I am thinking that this was never accidental...but a deliberate plan....

    We have left enough to equip an Army .....and I mean all kinds of weapons...in particular mountains of M16 rifles...and we see the Taliban and others running around in photos equipped with our M16 rifles.


    The Truth is that we did the same thing when we pulled out of Vietnam...and many of those M16 rifles were traced, via serial numbers, to Central America in the 1980s...and those conflicts there...

    The United States Government is one of the biggest gun runners in this world..


    And this government is worried about you and your semi auto AR15???

    Are any of you catching on yet...about the moral high ground????

    It is becoming clear to thinking independent Americans that we cannot be trusted to be armed...not just with AR 15s but in the end with any weapon...period...
    We are to be made like the rest of the world....disarmed...mentally , spiritually, and also physically. Put another way ...like good consumers...letting the media, television and movies to our thinking and feeling for us. Consumers..not individual thinkers.


    Once you grasp the width and breadth of what I am describing...the fullness of this Demonic History.....other things become clear.

    What would possess us as Americans to believe we will ever be trusted with anything as truly dangerous as a vote???

    Are you yet catching on???

    Be Warned these Demonic Ishmaelites in both political parties.....


    Why are not the so-called Conservative Republicans and their political party telling you this view??

    Because they are not really Conservative....they are scamming ...just like the Democrats...

    Be Warned these Ishmaelites ....Demonic Ishmaelites.


    The US Government is one of the biggest gun runners in this world....remember that...and we are all too often arming our so called enemies...Afghanistan proves that....clearly..but it has happened similar in previous history.


    But why would Americans want to know this when they have the Super Bowl going on this evening...???

    Catching on yet!!??



    Amuse...Amusement..


    A...without.....

    Muse....thinking or contemplating..

    Amuse...Amusement..... Without Thinking..

    Something fed to us to prevent thinking...Amuse ...Amusement.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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    1. Old Geezer
      Silence = Complicity
      Government gods and their MSM 5th column actively silence information that does not support their social engineering dictates.
      They want those who would dare vote against them to be afraid of aggressive minorities (ex. BLM) and federal police agencies such as the BATF and the FBI who have now been politicized. This is the Cold Civil War. Going warm now. Will go hot.
       
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  2. watcherchris

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    Be Warned ...this is just one example of how the system is rigged to keep the American Public properly Herded.

    Free people do not want to be Herded by anyone....

    The job of government , under oath, is to protect our freedoms...not to herd us.

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      Some hope. Witness how Virginians replaced their governor, lieutenant governor, and attorney general with Americans. Witness the protests in the streets of Western nations. Witness the trucker protests. Australian government going Gestapo on its people is a testament to the desperation of the collectivists.
       
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  3. watcherchris

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    In like manner to lonewolf...I have been a loner most of my life. When I tended to run with a crowd..or collective if you prefer...I tended to get into trouble.

    I suppose I was always meant to be a sort of loner...in that I am in agreement with Lonewolf...I am not the social butterfly type and the idea of the "Collective" I find disgusting.... repugnant.

    I am very choosey about the people or individuals with whom I will socialize...and my circle is very small by choice.

    I am not very interested with what the crowds are doing...and tend to go the other way.


    As a matter of fact...some years ago...concerning tonight's Super Bowl Game...I figured out that the time to do my shopping was after kick off time when most were glued to their television sets...or at the local watering hole.
    What a glorious discovery for me...to be able to shop while most are somewhere else.
    Someone just texted me that kick off time is 6:30 pm EST....though the shelves may be bare...
    Before that time, I figure it will be pandemonium.
    LOL LOL LOL...for many ...in America that is true prepping...meaning for tonight's game!!!!


    Hence that nightmare scenario ....I sometimes describe of being stuck on that Desert Island wth some 400....collectivists who mostly know how to text message...High Maintenance types....

    What an awful thought!!!! Nightmare!!!!


    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite.


    Post Script


    Talked with a fellow by phone today who got the Corona Virus for the third time, and he has been vaccinated and or boosted...

    Not as bad as the first time....but sick nonetheless.

    Go Figure...
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    I'm not a loner. I'd like to be around people.

    Problem is that most people are too stupid or too aggressive to endure. I've only had a handful of true friends in my life. Most were women. I am devoid of mercy when it comes to other men. When I hear the ignorant bleat, it is like fingernails on a chalkboard. If I had no frontal lobes on my brain, I would go around caving-in people's skulls with a 2-pound hammer.
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  5. TMT Tactical

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    Like lonewolf and Watchercris, I prefer to not socialize with people. Even at the gun range, I tend to not hang out with the other Range Masters. Being almost deaf provides a good excuse to not enter into the chat sessions. I limit my interactions with the public shooters to giving shooting pointers, safety tips and acting as a spotter for a shooter trying to sight in their firearm. I do not enter into banter with the other Range Masters or the shooters. Like the old rock & Roll song "Silence is golden" but I can still see".
     
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  6. TexDanm

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    I don't think of it as insanity at all. It is just plain old STUPIDITY!!! Maybe with a little dash of cowardice thrown in.
     
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    There is something truly insane..even Demonic about a government....so irresponsible as to leave tons and tons of arms behind ...sufficient to arm our supposed enemies...and then they don't trust their people to be armed!!

    It is now also become clear to many that we Americans cannot also be trusted with our vote...!!
    Coming elections will prove this out.


    They don't even want to hear dissenting opinions or views!!!

    Is this leadership...???

    Is this being a good steward of people's freedoms and or liberties...or is it "Herding?"

    When and where did this switch take place and why were not the American People told???

    Be Warned of such Ishmaelites....run wild..

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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  8. watcherchris

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    by Olde Geezer...

    LOL LOL LOL LOL...Olde Geezer....well said...well said....I need to remember that..

    That made my day...I needed that laugh...thanks.

    Oh...and Olde Geezer...agree...I love the women...get along better with women...when I am off work.

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  9. Old Geezer

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    Secular Humanism is a religion espoused by people with personality disorders. They are more dogmatic than almost all church-goers. Poke them with a stick and they'll squeal like a pig. They can endure zero criticism because of their religious zeal / craziness / OCD / depressive disorder. When they shake their heads, you can hear the broken glass rattle. They are rarely happy unless the occasion involves drugs and alcohol. Their humor is most often predicated on putting-down their supposed inferiors. I've yet to meet one who was a complete human being.
     
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    Wow Olde Geezer...I think you are describing many of today's leadership!!!


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    We don't have any leaders, we have sheep herders.
     
  12. Old Geezer

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    As far as "leadership" is concerned, TMT Tactical is right. The would-be leaders all want to be in charge. They are wolves at each other's throats, ripping and tearing to see who herds the sheep. The winners can shear the sheep and eat some of the lambs. Some of those who will-to-power are overt demons -- witness the Clintons.

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  13. TexDanm

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    Let's face it, Democracy as it was founded by our founding fathers was VASTLY different from what we have today. Even when I was a kid a person had to demonstrait some small level of competance in order to vote. You HAD to register AND there was a poll tax. It was small but if you didn't pay it you didn't vote.

    Now days the crapocrats actually work with groups to gather and drag people on welfare to the poles. Most of these people would vote for the antichrist if someone would offer to take them to vote and feed them at MacDonalds. Democracy was NEVER intended to be the sort of mob rule that we have now.
     
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  14. Old Geezer

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    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-parkland-attack-with-push-to-sue-gun-makers/

    "President Joe Biden (D) marked the fourth anniversary of the Parkland high school attack with a push to sue gun makers, on Valentine’s Day.

    "The UK Independent reports that Biden also called for more “background checks,” although the Parkland attacker acquired his firearm via a background check. (The Sun-Sentinel noted that the attack passed a background check, 'including mental health question,' to get his gun.)

    "Biden also called for an 'assault weapon' and 'high capacity' magazine ban."

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    Mass-murderers should switch from rifles to trucks. Hard to beat 86 killed and 458 injured.

    "2016 Nice truck attack"


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

    "On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19-tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 458 others.[4] The driver was Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, a Tunisian living in France.[5][6] The attack ended following an exchange of gunfire, during which Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was shot and killed by police."
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    This kind of stuff does not even make good nonsensse.....it is very very telling of a drastic lack of leadership ability...and the pot calling the kettle black.

    And most of the MSM and other politicians will not tell you what I am going to declare here today.


    This government and current leadership just left a huge stockpile of Arms and Equipment to people who do not like us...in Afghanistan.

    Is this kind of thing even Leadership....when on the other hand ...Americans clearly cannot be trusted to be armed???

    When one realized the essence of what is going on here.......the Demonic Nature of this sickness....you realize that this bunch in office must obscure...obfuscate....misdirect....to conceal their failings.

    They arm a nation with a huge stockpile of full automatic machine guns....and other such armaments...vehicles, fuel supplies et al...enough to equip an Army ...

    But we as Americans cannot be trusted with our AR 15s or any other firearms....this will not stop with AR 15s or other such weapons....

    But not a mention of the fact that they just left behind enough weapons, equipment, and ammunition to field an Army.

    This cannot be accidental but deliberate...a plan...

    This is what happens when you have highly educated people in office and a strong sense of entitlement...but no common sense or experience.



    Be Warned these Ishmaelites who would put us into their bondage while concealing their demonic incompetence. And furthermore...they want to paint any Americans with a different opinion as lacking in morals....and other such leftist labels. Is this leadership...??

    What they have just done in Afghanistan...with the weapons stockpiles....while working to disarm Americans ...is that even moral?? Even Sensible??? Or is it demonic in nature???


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  16. Old Geezer

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    It's already begun in Mexico. The armaments left over from the civil wars in Central America are now being shipped into Mexico for the drug cartels. Guns getting there from the U.S., sure. But the full-autos and the RPGs used by the cartels got there from Central America.

    The U.S. Feds just the other day nabbed a woman moving semi-autos from the U.S. into Mexico. That was for show.

    What about the squad-level full autos mounted in the back of 4x4s used by Mexican drug cartels; those weren't bought at U.S. gun shops. You won't read this sh## in the MSM. Doesn't meet deep-state/Leftist dogma.

    As America descends into chaos, watch the cartels move into the former USA. It has already begun. Europe is being invaded. So is Amerika.
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  17. Old Geezer

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    Sacramento California, 6 dead, over a dozen injured. Over 12 bystanders fighting for their lives.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sacramento+shooting&t=newext&atb=v1-1&df=d&ia=web

    According to the collectivists, it is firearms that did the shooting. No help from humanoids. The guns themselves did the deed.

    Back to reality ... there has been at least one arrest. One stolen firearm has been recovered.

    "If we could only disarm responsible people, then the oppressed couldn't steal firearms and hurt each other with them"

    Communism blames the inanimate object.

    Truth reveals the evil.

    One has been caught. We can only hope the other gang members are brought before the court. But then, communist judges will have pity upon these "oppressed" individuals.

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    Looks like Amerika is going to get itself a communist judge thanks to the communist biden puppet regime.

    Communist News Network propaganda:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/04/politics/biden-lower-court-nominations/index.html

    All hail to the anti-Chrisst!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  18. Old Geezer

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    "Biden releases new gun control statement after Sacramento shooting "

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...-control-statement-after-sacramento-shooting/

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    Wherever / whenever there is a demand for firearms, there will be a supply.





    https://infiniteunknown.net/2018/01...g-with-kalashnikovs-military-may-be-deployed/

    "'In Malmö, where a fifth of the 340,000 inhabitants are under 18, children as young as 14 roam the streets with Kalashnikov assault rifles and bulletproof vests. The average age of gang members is 22, the vast majority of them hailing from migrant families.' –thetimes.co.uk

    "The increase in crime has been so overwhelming that Swedish authorities admit they are unable to investigate rape cases right now because of the enormous backlog of gang crime under investigation. 'We are forced to choose between two evils,' said police."
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    "Sweden’s gun violence rate has soared due to gangs, report says"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...weden-despite-fall-across-europe-report-finds
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    "Bombs and blood feuds: the wave of explosions rocking Sweden’s cities"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    "According to data released this month by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention, there were 257 crimes involving explosives in the country last year, a 60% rise on 2018. Gangland shootings are also shockingly high, with 320 reported last year, 41 of them fatal. As recently as Tuesday, there were twin explosions in two apartment buildings in a Stockholm suburb. The last blast in Malmö was on 10 January."

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    And the saga continues ...........

    March 19, 2022


    "Sweden: Apartment Building Targeted in Grenade Attack"

    https://nworeport.me/2022/03/19/sweden-apartment-building-targeted-in-grenade-attack/

    "An apartment building in Sweden was the scene of a grenade attack this week, according to reports.

    "The explosive incident unfolded in the early hours of Friday morning in Angered, a borough in the in the culturally-enriched city of Gothenburg."
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  19. Old Geezer

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    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-murphy-pushes-database-ammunition-purchases/

    "New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy (D) pushed gun controls Tuesday that would require Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs) to create a database on ammunition sales.

    "NJ.com reports that Murphy also pushed for a raising the minimum age to purchase a shotgun from 18 to 21 years and to 'change how firearm owners in the state are required to store their guns.'

    "EverytownResearch.Org notes that NJ already has universal background checks 'for handgun purchases at point of sale and/or for permit to purchase,' a red flag law, gun storage requirements, an 'assault weapons' ban, a 'high capacity' magazine ban, 'ghost gun' regulations, and regulations on the open carry of firearms, among other controls.

    "But Murphy wants more."

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    Blame the firearms. That is a whole lot easier than facing the truth. -- OldGzr

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    Yahoo news is Leftist and normally NEVER publishes anything that could in any way support conservative viewpoints; however, America's cities are reverting to the mayhem previously only seen during the open drug wars of the 1990s. Fewer police and a revolving door court system has made U.S. urban areas war zones ... yet again. Leftists have to keep giving communism another chance, and another, and another, and another, .....

    Even Yahoo News has been forced to print the truth:

    "Massive increase in Black Americans murdered was result of defund police movement: experts"


    https://news.yahoo.com/massive-increase-black-americans-murdered-055426899.html

    "Support of Black Lives Matter and calls to defund the police reverberated across America in 2020 following the death of George Floyd, igniting social justice protests and riots at a time when the coronavirus and lockdowns upended society in unprecedented ways. What was left in 2020's wake was a massive increase in the number of murders, dealing a disproportionate blow to Black Americans.

    "Murders across the board spiked by nearly 30% in 2020 compared to the year prior, according to FBI data, marking the largest single-year increase in killings since the agency began tracking the crimes. Among Black Americans, the number of deaths spiked by more than 32% compared to 2019.

    "Between 2010 and 2019, there was an average of 5,954 White murders, which is roughly 16% lower than the 10-year average of Black murders. During that same time period, an average of 6,927 Black Americans were murdered each year, meaning Black murders shot up by 43% in 2020 compared to the previous 10-year average.

    "There was a roughly 21% increase in White murders in 2020 compared to 2019.

    "The figures are more staggering considering White Americans make up 76% of the population compared to Black Americans representing only 13%, according to Census data."
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  20. arctic bill

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    a couple of things to thinks about .
    1) the USA is he only country in the world that allows every one to own a gun as a right .
    2) All other countries restrict gun ownership . no to hand guns with out reason background checks ect.
    3) all of the these civilized countries (G20)in the world have homicide rates of 1 per 100,000
    4) except for the usa which has homicide rate of 3 per 100,000
    5) so are you safer with a gun ?
    when you look at all the shooting over the Easter holidays something needs to be done.
    Now I am not talking about taking away responsible people guns. what is needed is background checks and licenses for all guns.
    A smart man once told me that eventually the USA will falling in with gun regulation like the rest of the world. How long will this take 10,20, 30 years?

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  21. poltiregist

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    Citizens of the United States will not give up their guns regardless as to whether they are legal or illegal . The people in the U.S. are not like the people of Australia that meekly gave up their guns because their government told them to . Granted they may have to become more cautious in their gun ownership . In rural America not even the law enforcement would enforce such a law . Also ammunition could become a problem for those that didn't properly prepare , but a huge stockpile of ammo has already been put back by preppers . -- Gun ownership is not just about shooting looters and various other vermin . It is also the survival plan for many preppers in the United States to acquire meat to feed the family . Giving up their ability to feed themselves and family is not going to happen . --- I have noted on this forum some's only hope for survival " if the grocery stores go belly up " is gardening , eating roots and worms . That to me is a poor way to survive . I garden presently and would rely on it to a degree " when SHTF finishes settling in " but that is not the only food source for my tribe . Meat will also be on the menu along with milk and eggs .
     
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      Thank you.
       
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      Call me a Southeast Asian, but when it hits the fan, if my loved ones need meat, I'm killing a dog. Lord knows there will be feral dog packs galore.
       
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  22. Old Geezer

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    To purchase a firearm in the United States, one MUST first go through a background check. This has been true for a long time now.

    Felons use stolen firearms and cheap firearms (with no serial numbers) manufactured in other countries. Making stamped make-do fully automatic weapons is far easier than making quality firearms. Such "slap'n'banger" machine guns are cranked out in tin huts in the Philippines and Pakistan. We are talking low technology.

    The homicide rates for Americans of European descent is around 6/100,000; in some states that number goes as high as 8/100,000. The homicide rate of African-Americans is over 40/100,000 and in some urban areas over 100/100,000 (urban areas where gangs are prevalent).

    Asian-Americans living in evil America, awash in firearms, have the same homicide rates as their cousins back in their countries of origin ( one or two per 100,000, they barely show up in homicide statistics at all). During the L.A. riots of 1992, I was overjoyed to watch those Korean merchants drive-off the waves of looters. They were not about to be overrun by those wishing to "redistribute wealth". Those men and women worked very hard to start their businesses and were NOT just going to watch all of their efforts go for naught. Hurray for those Korean folk!!!!!!

    These numbers are from the federal Dept. of Justice. Even flaming liberals in America admit that black youth are destroying their own selves. In the above post, I included the report by Yahoo news concerning this social reality.

    The Leftist dogma of, "If only we could control those guns!," will continue. If you bring-up the numbers, you are called a racist. I guess I am a racist for bringing up the little matter of reality.

    Here's some evil, "racist", numbers from our lying federal government:
    https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/new...ace-and-ethnicity-violent-crime-perpetrators/

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    If only Sweden were to have some reasonable gun laws, gangs wouldn't hurt people!

    "Sweden’s gun violence rate has soared due to gangs, report says"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...weden-despite-fall-across-europe-report-finds

    Wed 26 May 2021 12.47 EDT

    “'The increase in gun violence in Sweden is unique in comparison with most other countries in Europe,' Håkan Jarborg, a police chief in southern Sweden, told the TT news agency.

    "Between 2000 and 2003, Sweden was 18th out of the 22 countries for deadly shootings per capita. But after a long period of decline, deadly shootings began to increase in the mid-2000s and have continued to do so, the report found, whereas in most other countries in Europe lethal violence has declined.

    “'The increase in gun homicide in Sweden is closely linked to criminal milieux in socially disadvantaged areas,' the report said, noting that shooting deaths had more than doubled between 2011 and 2019 and now accounted for 40% of violent deaths.

    "The report said more than eight out of 10 shootings were linked to organised crime, a significantly higher proportion than in other countries, and cited gang wars, the drugs trade and low confidence towards the police as potential factors."

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    Sweden also needs some laws about those pesky hand-grenades and plastic explosives. Gee whiz, you silly people in Sweden, make those gangs register their plastic explosives!

    https://www.thelocal.com/20210930/how-often-do-explosions-happen-in-sweden/

    "Some years back, the most commonly used explosives in Sweden were imported bangers and hand grenades dating back to the Balkan conflicts. But in recent years, plastic explosives have increasingly been used, generating more powerful blasts.

    “'We’ve seen a shift from hand grenades towards homemade bombs or IEDs, improvised explosive devices. The devices ranges from simple designs, filling a thermos with explosives and a fuse, to more advanced ones with remotely detonated triggers,' Stefan Hector, who led a police operation to tackle the rise of shootings and explosions in Sweden, told The Local in 2020.

    "Compared to gun violence — which has also increased in Sweden, particularly in connection with gang conflicts — explosives are easier to use, and also leave behind less evidence.

    "Sweden’s crime rate remains one of the lowest in the world. Since the 1990s, the overall homicide rate has fallen, but the number of murders linked to criminal gangs has risen, and senior police officers have acknowledged that there is no equivalent to the rising trend in explosions and gun violence on an international level."


    SEEEEEE!!! If only there were more laws, this violence would go away!

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    Don't tell the truth, or else ...

    "Swedish Scientists Prosecuted for Finding That Most Rapes Are Committed by Immigrants"

    https://www.amren.com/news/2021/12/...-that-most-rapes-are-committed-by-immigrants/

    "A recent case in Lund University is now serving as a clear-cut example of what happens when researches try to gather scientific evidence regarding issues that might not support the officially sanctioned political narrative. It also demonstrates that how funds are restricted for studying the impact of immigration, how research into the subject is not permitted by universities, and how scientists who disobey the restrictions face serious persecution.

    "This is what has happened to Professor Kristina Sundquist from Sweden’s Lund University, who alongside two other colleagues, conducted detailed research into the profile of those who commit sexual violence in Sweden. The research was not aimed at racially profiling the offenders, as the scientists themselves put it, but they nevertheless have discovered some facts about the ethnic profile of rapists by accident.

    "Sundquist, who is the most cited professor at her university regarding social research, is now being investigated for publishing an unauthorized research report, and may face prosecution for coming to the conclusion that the vase majority of rapes are committed by immigrants to the country."

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  23. watcherchris

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    No ...no....no....no....no....Olde Geezer.....you are mistaken....very much mistaken...here...


    This cannot possibly be true...it has to be those White Supremacists....it has to be ....Just like in Sweden......anything but what is really happening out here..


    Be Warned these Ishmaelites run wild...


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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    Thinking about switching out again my GP 100 to my 1911...and three spare mags....for awhile.

    And depending if I can get the right under arm holster for it...to my S&W Model 57...and speed loaders...3 each.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,

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  25. Old Geezer

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    I'm thinking that which you are thinking.

    But, don't write-off your .357s. I'm passing mine on to kin. BUT, have bought a new .357 rifle. Out of the revolver thingy, myself, but not totally ... even the speedloaders I'm passing on. I'm old. I'm dead. The revolver is obsolete. Yet, it isn't. God only knows how many men put venison on the table with revolvers. My paternal grandfather put meat on the supper table with his 32-20 revolver for sh##'s sake (castrated a knife-wielding would-be robber with it also). Many of my kin are yet in the hills. And, deer are sickenly over-populated there. Dead deer = food (for f###'s sake!!!!!!). White folk are poor, also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Despite what you read in the media, white people are also poor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

    Decent poor people find ways of surviving. Inferior "humans" predate on responsible/intelligent humans.

    When living in the Midwest, knew a guy who put venison on the supper table with a .45 automatic / tree stand. "Flying ashtrays" -- you, by-god, understand. He needed the meat. Had a son. Didn't have enough money. I know sooooo many stories. Sh## happens. There it is. The .357 with adjustable sights is better than a .45 automatic ... nevertheless, .45 autos put food on the table. NOT up for debate. Automatic handguns beat the dickens out of bayonets, PLUS they give you time to get to REAL killing weapons, repeating center-fire rifles and shotguns. Po' folk do what they gotta do. Plus, they will not allow predators to take that which they worked for

    I'm violently over-educated, YET I MASSIVELY remember being poor. AND, my kin were unimaginably beyond poor. Y'do what you gotta do. And there is never any shortage of "people" who want to take from you that which you have sweated blood to acquire. Y'do what you gotta do.

    WatcherChris, your ideas are spot-on. Don't forget the usefulness of your .357. I don't think you will, anyway. Just a reminder.

    Things are as they are.
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    by Olde Geezer...

    Verily like my wheel guns..and some of the most accurate handguns I own are wheel guns. Don't have many semi auto handguns.

    Outside of my Thompson Contender I am pretty much a wheel gun man....but have a very fond liking for the 1911 a well as history....

    Own and M1 Garand but verily like my 1903 Springfield better...and a touch more accurate. Bolt guns...hard to beat for accuracy...

    32-20.....Wow!!! I've heard a lot of stories about the 32-20 as well as the 25-20. Very popular in their day....as well as still listed in my Hornady reloading books.

    Thanks,

    Watcherchris
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  27. TMT Tactical

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    Just finished load testing for my 223 Wylde AR15. Best results, 3065 fps and a .338" 5 shot group at 50 yards. The load produced an SD (Standard Deviation) of 4.4 and an ES (Extreme Spread) of 10. Works for me. LOL Now I will reload another 50 rounds and test with a EC Tuner/break and see if I can shrink the group even more. My 7.62 x 39 AR15 shoots one inch groups with Wolf steel case crap ammo. I am not going to bother reloading for it. The next reloading challenge will be for my TC Compass 6.5 Creedmoor, once I can get powder and primers for it. I won't shoot up my existing Creedmoor ammo until I can replace it. I don't own any wheel guns at the present but a couple are on the "Wish List".
     
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    just an idea, this would solve the gun problem .
    Pass a law that anyone in possession of a unlicensed firearm must do mandatory
    two years in jail. this would get rid of all unlicensed guns .
     
  29. Old Geezer

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    If enforced, over 30,000,000 working-class, never-been-arrested Americans would go to prison. Heartland Americans trade firearms all the time and they DO NOT go fill-out any paperwork. Yes, I like the idea, let's start a civil war. Gonna happen anyway. People are beyond fed-up with government they are furious. Give the good'ol'boys an excuse to use the hundreds (or thousands) of rounds of ammo they have put back! Dynamite idea.

    No felon carries a legal firearm. When before a judge, the first charge that prosecutors drop is the gun charge. If current firearms laws were enforced, the career felons would be doing a whole lot of prison time. When prosecutors start trying to get the most violent felons off the street, the Left goes bat-sh## crazy screaming RACISM!

    Leftist view of giving cops the power to enforce gun control:
    https://www.salon.com/2015/06/24/gu...al_argument_against_giving_police_more_power/

    Social Democrats threaten to send-in military to take power away from Sheriffs:

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/dems...-control-laws-well-send-in-the-national-guard

    VA gov. Northam was tossed-out because of his socialist gun-control stance and his belief that children belong to the state and not to their parents. Virginians just elected a Republican governor, lieutenant governor, and attorney general. Socialism is not going-over particularly well. Democratic socialism is going to take it in the teeth come midterm elections.

    Let's put all of these guys in jail who refuse to give-up their "assault rifles" -- keep in mind that there are several million veterans who are not about to give-up their rifles:

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    old geezer, you said and i quote
    To purchase a firearm in the United States, one MUST first go through a background check. This has been true for a long time now.
    so how come all these 30,000,000 have guns.
    is this not the problem having so many unlicensed gun being passed around .
    I have guns and am not anti gun,
    I am just trying to find a way to stop so many Americans getting shot three times more than the rest of the civilized world .
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  31. watcherchris

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    If we as Americans cannot be trusted with our guns......any gun...for any reason......we will not be trusted with our vote.

    I do not need a PHD to define this for me...I can figure it out for myself...

    Looks like someone out here does not want to trust me to spend more than 600 dollars at a time and or my hard earned money/property without explaining myself to someone else.....why would they trust me with a gun???

    Again...not PhD needed to make the translation....

    By the time these socialist phonies get done....only criminals....will have guns......because these folk are not interested in obeying any laws....again no PHD needed. Note how many criminals are running lose across this land now...similar to in Seattle , and or Portland..and other US cities...with the blessings of Government....

    How many leftist cities are not prosecuting criminal elements but turning them back out on the street.???

    This is not leadership....and someone out here is worried about me with guns.....registered and unregistered both..???
    They have to be at least a PHD!!!

    Are some of you catching on to how the devout and zealous religion of Political/Demonism works to get so many things backwards...??

    Oh....any by the way...guns...licensed and or unlicensed....Wow......remember now ....you cannot be trusted today with the truth....office of Disinformation??? Catching on yet???!!
    It is much much worse than some of you are thinking...an getting worse...even worse.
    Buckle up..!!


    Oh...and I dont think the word is "Licensed" it is supposed to be registered. I do not believe the Federal courts have a requirement for a license on your rights or any right. States may ...but not the feds..

    Is that not one of the reasons they got rid of the Poll Tax...it functioned as a control....a fee on your right to vote!!??

    Be Warned these Ishmaelites ...

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  32. Old Geezer

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    There were tens of millions of firearms in the hands citizens long before any gun control laws existed. Many folk fill-out the paperwork when they buy a firearm (as I did today, when buying a revolver), but when giving them as a gift to family or selling them to to their friends, nobody goes out looking for an FFL-holder to go through the paperwork.

    Criminals steal their firearms.

    And as to the 3x matter, Americans of European descent have the same violent crimes rates as in Europe. African-Americans have a violent crime rate at the very least 3x that of whites (more likely 6x to 8x that of whites). In the inner cities, blacks have homicide rates over 20 times higher than whites. The lowest rate of firearms ownership in America is among blacks, who represent only 13% of the population, yet commit 51% of the homicides (U.S. Dept of Justice statistics)

    Black people in the U.S. are killing the dickens out of each other. And this reality is increasing year by year. Murder rates had been lessening for the past few years. Not anymore! With fewer police on the streets and the lessening of stop-and-search encounters to confiscate stolen firearms off of repeat-offender felons, some inner cities are becoming uninhabitable.

    https://whiteprivilegeisntreal.org/black-vs-white-crime-statistics/

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/chicago-alderman-gang-violence

    Don't blame the civilized for the violence of the uncivilized!


    The term "gun crime" infuriates sensible people. A firearm is an inanimate object. In the hands of the civilized, this object is used to prevent aggression. In the hands of out-of-control aggressors, the object is used to do harm.

    Civilized Americans are fed-up with having to take care of those who do not take care of their own!!!!!!!!! We are also fed-up with being lumped-in with the career felons. Civilized people behave in a civilized fashion.

    One of the core Big Lies of the Left is their blaming firearms for the savage behavior of the uncivilized. The weak-minded watching the mainstream media lap-up that vomit. Lies on top of lies is the official "truth" of the Left.

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    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...f-lives-fuelled-by-criminal-justice-failures/

    "South African authorities cannot pretend to be surprised by the proportions this violence has reached. Authorities watched while organised groups blocked the roads, burnt properties and looted shops and factories last week.
    -- Shenilla Mohamed, Executive Director of Amnesty International South Africa

    "Riots began last week in Kwa-Zulu Natal, following the arrest of former president Jacob Zuma for contempt of court. The riots have since spread to Gauteng province and threatening to spill to other provinces and grown increasingly violent – at least 70 deaths have been reported so far, and there has been widespread looting and destruction of hundreds of properties. Amnesty International highlighted how past acts of violence, including the killing of foreign nationals during xenophobic violence have gone unpunished, leading to an entrenched culture of impunity."

    "In other parts of the country, including Northern Cape and Mpumalanga, communities have had to take on the role of protecting themselves and denounce attacks on shopping malls as a result of the state’s failure to proactively safeguard these strategic centres. In some instances, police watched while people looted shops."

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    The Left blames poverty ... even though other races (whites, Asians, Hispanics) in the same poverty situations do not resort to mass violence. The Left blames firearms ownership ... even though black communities have FAR fewer firearms.

    The Left is not rational. The Left is always angry. The Left always shifts the blame onto those who they despise.

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  33. Old Geezer

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    I guess they bought the machine-gun at Wal-Mart.

    "3 Alleged Gang Members Charged With Murder in Sacramento Mass Shooting"


    https://www.amren.com/news/2022/05/...rged-with-murder-in-sacramento-mass-shooting/

    "Three alleged gang members have been charged with multiple counts of murder stemming from a mass shooting last month in downtown Sacramento, California, that left six people dead and a dozen wounded

    “'What we know is that this was clearly gang related. There was a gunfight between multiple gang rivals,' Sacramento Police Chief Kathy Lester said at a news conference on Tuesday.

    "Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert identified the murder suspects as Smiley Martin, 27, his 26-year-old brother, Dandrae Martin, and 27-year-old Mtula Payton."

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...er-california-gun-fight-left-6-dead-rcna27223

    "Smiley Martin and Dandrae Martin, who are brothers, have been in custody since last month, when they were accused of illegally possessing firearms. Payton remains at large."

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    https://news.yahoo.com/arraignment-delayed-smiley-martin-suspect-231843472.html

    "Martin faces charges of unlawful possession of a firearm, as he had previously been convicted of a felony, and possession of a machine gun. Prosecutors allege he also has a prior strike under California’s "three strikes" law for a previous robbery conviction.

    "There have been no murder charges filed in the complicated case, which includes multiple victims and suspects, a vast crime scene and witnesses potentially reluctant to cooperate because they fear gang reprisals."

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  34. TexDanm

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    Was a machine gun mentioned in any of the articals? Machine guns are crappy weapons that only look good on TV. Spray and pray is silly TV stuff. Aim and kill is the way to go.

    As far as I'm concerned as long as they only kill eachother in gang fights let them go. If they hit and/or wound a civilian the cops need to kill them on sight. There is almost no hope that that sort of thug will ever be rehabilitated or change while there is an almost certainty that they will continue to harm people. Saddly a lot of these people are second and third generation criminals. This is a little out there but I think that they should steralize anyone convicted of a violent crime conected to a felony.

    These guys are sitting in prison with a poop pot full of bastard kids out there on welfare. For some weird reason a lot of women seem to be attracted to bad boys that have no intrest in anything with them other than sex. ???? They knock them up a couple of times and then move on. These poor women will actualy move here to be close to them while they are in prisn and work some crappy minimum wage job to have money to give to them. ??? Here if you aren't selfemployed or work for the state walmart is about as good as you will find. Small town with a BIG state university and prisons all over the place make for an odd sort of place. The State is about all the good jobs there are. You either love it or hate it. We do have a lot of Houston retired people here and I have to admit that the fishing is great. We have three big lakes here. Lakes Livingston, Conroe and Raven plus the Trinity river.

    8 big prisons means that there are a lot of people that are prison guards and then their families. That makes this a bad place for a criminal. If you comit a crime here your jury is going to most likly give you the max allowable sentence.
     
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  35. watcherchris

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    Machine guns....something for which I have no use. I 've handled them and they are overrated. Very few people have both the strength and discipline to be good and consistent with a machine gun.

    And for me they are ammo wasters....big time. When you know how much concentration and discipline it takes to make good reloads....you are not want to spray and pray so to speak. And today in particular ...ammo cost money big time.

    If I want to shoot that much in a single trigger pull I use my Ithaca 12 gauge and choose my fodder carefully. But that is just me.


    Years ago..I remember standing sentinel duty in the National Guard...and was issued an M60 Machine gun and a couple of bandoliers of blanks....blank adapter..


    That stuff may look cool in the movies and books..but an M60 gets heavy very very quickly.

    I was never that impressed with the M16 rifle as well...I prefer an SKS, an M1 Garand or my 1903 Springflield....but that is just me. Definitely not an M60 Machine gun...no thanks.

    Agree with Texdanm...about the prisons and the trend line he is describing .

    Two legged wildlife....Ishmaelites.


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  36. Old Geezer

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    re: machine-gun

    If you lay it down sideways and strafe, it can be useful against masses of attackers / looters. Buckshot may (?) or may not be as good. Buckshot looses energy VERY quickly.

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      The problem as I see it with a machine is a logistics issue. How much ammo would a person carry on them? Weight and availability is a big issue. I watch various shooters at the range doing mag dumps and I am not impressed with their results. A machine gun's results would even be worse. Over heated barrels would also be a possible issue. I will stick with my single shot semi-auto's.
       
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  37. TexDanm

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    Where I live is the home of the Texas prison system. For a long time in Texas nobody but us really wanted a prison in their area. LOL when the economy went into a resession that changed. There are 9 big prisons in the area. Prisons, at least in Texas, are not like on TV. Basically if you want to eat and have any freedoms you will work. The ones in town have factories and then the ones out in the country have farms, ranches. We are big on teaching trades so when you look at an inmate EVERYTHING that you see that isn't skin, meat and bone is TDC made.

    They are not really very dangerous places to work. My wife worked in all of the maximum security prisons in the area at one time or another including death row and not once was bothers or threatened. The crazy and the junkyard dog mean inmates stay locked in a cage 23 hours a day. One hour they are removed wth their hands cuffed behind their back and escoted by two guards to and area where they are allowed to walk around ALONE in an outdoor cage. Those never get the oppertunity to harm anyone.

    The greatest number of people in the prisons are just not very smart and without much education. Lets be real what place in our current sociaty do the people that used to work in the fields have today? As we bave advanced and made our factories and plants mpre and more mechanized we have bsically made people with no real skills other than being just willing to work hard out in the streets. The rich are getting richer but what is the cost to people for their wealth.

    We have planted the seeds of revolution and they are growing slowly. When you start putting people that WANT to work out history tells us that they will eventually throw their kings out in the street without heads.
     
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  38. watcherchris

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    By Texdanm...


    Wow!!!! That is pretty much what happened to King Charles 1st in January of 1649. The first time in the Western World where an ordinary people had executed their king.... Bad news for the King Club.

    Not many governments today want us to know this history or why...it is pretty much avoided in the education systems....or even to know about King Charles 1st.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
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    Let me clarify my previous statement about "Bad News for the King Club."

    By this I mean any government which is want to move into "Absolute Power....Divine Right of Kings."

    Again...Increasing their power and control and removing power and control from the people...the populace....Herding the people more and more in favor of Government Authoritarianism....more Government Power and control over our lives and business...our opinions, views, understandings, and eventually speech. Even over our Children and Grandchildren.

    Eventually this becomes a dictatorship under any name..and they will invent new names for it....in like manner to today when they no longer call them Illegal Aliens but now Migrant Workers.

    Da Tovarich!!??

    If you want to herd people...en mass without them being aware of it...without new laws ..regulations or clear controls...just manufacture "Inflation.'

    Read ...."Economic Consequences of the Peace"

    By John Maynard Keynes.....Circa 1919



    Ishmaelites run wild..

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    What I am suspecting is that someome in this rigged system is planning to manufacture huge shortages of everything here in America.....not just baby formula.

    I am hearing that with Russia cutting off a lot of fuel supplies to western Europe...that America is quietly and secretly making up the difference ...particularly in diesel fuels...kerosene..

    This means that most of the things we consume from the stores are shipped in by tractor trailers...diesel fuels.....just about everything including our gasoline supplies.

    Understand what I mean by shortages...of everything now?????

    The social and or political unrest thus being manufactured is the perfect justification for gun control....down the road...is what I am thinking...

    The newly manufactured emergency conditions....of America Last..place...even in our own country.


    Catching on yet..??

    Just some of what I have been picking up on .



    I can remember back years ago when Russia had a very bad wheat crop...and America filled up this void and it cost Americans more for wheat products by this manufactured shortage....

    If what I am hearing is true...this one is going to be much much worse.


    I am asking if there will be enough fuel to even keep my scooters going??? If true...I am certain that there will be rationing.

    Are any of the other members here picking up on these trend lines...this informations???


    Ishmaelites run wild...


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  41. poltiregist

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    On the machinegun posts . I went through special training which included shooting every type of machine gun known to man at that time . Many were even very obsolete but the government wanted to make sure I was familiar with every machine gun a country might posses . Not only did I fire them all but had to disassemble and then assemble them within a time frame . The worst shooting one was the submachine gun nicknamed the " grease gun " . Not only did I find its accuracy lacking but the sound was very loud , hurting the ear drums . When I got to Nam the ranking officers quickly changed my MOS to weapons specialist as my training definitely didn't stop with machineguns . --- A civilian in possession of a machinegun will not likely have amo for it long and the expense at todays prices astronomical .
     
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  42. Old Geezer

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    Yes, spot-on about all of this.

    And, the biden regime is NOT opening up Fed land for oil exploration. One could say that that is a nod to the tree-huggers, but I don't think so. I believe that all this is to put the boot on the neck of working class Americans, a.k.a. conservatives. Another example is the infant formula shortage being allowed to go full-bore in conservative states while special shipments are made to socialist states, to illegal aliens at our border w/Mexico, and to the welfare crew.

    These shortages are being used as warfare. These are intentional attacks. If one were to wax Biblical, you would hear, "Wear the mark of the Beast or starve!" Too, this biden regime is overtly anti-God. "We must sacrifice the unborn to the Beast, who must be worshiped!" Normally, I would say that I was over-reacting, yet all that is currently going on is deeply sick and evil. Sure is playing-out the Book of Revelation.
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  43. TexDanm

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    The grease gun was about the worst "weapon" that they ever offered to a soldier. It was totally spray and PRAY because you couldn't hardlt aim the danm thing and then were out of ammo in seconds if you weren't QUICK on and then OFF the trigger. I don't think that a full automatic firearm that is hand held is just not worth the use of ammo. Now an M-60 with a bipod is a different thing all together.

    I think that they have gone to a three round burst now and that is a lot better but I still think that aimed single fired shots are better. Honestly I can run a simi-auto fast enough that people think it is going full auto. Even that though is mostly a waste of ammo. I generally like the double tap fire rate. Two quick shots and then readjust the aim.

    In an end of the world as we know it situation if you waste ammo you will be disarmed faster than you can imagine. I am not inerested in scaring someone. If I pull the trigger I want you DEAD!!! I suspect that a lot of well prepared, as far as weapons and supplies, people will die fast because they just didn't shed their civilized urban attitudes fast enough.

    The quick and the dead will be REAL. If you have food you will need to make sure that you don't advertize that fact!!! If possible do NOT BBQ your meat unless you have a large group. After a week or so some people will be hungry enough to kill you rather than ask for a handout.

    This brings me to something that I need to impart to you. You will NOT starve to death in just a few days unless you go into this so skinny that you are emaciated. As long as you have water and can limit your activities somewhat you can go a couple of weeks without eating. I've DONE it. I've fasted for a week a lot of times. I did two weeks once and only ate then because the Doctor told me that I possibly could do harm to myself if I didn't stop. Humans are amazing and very few are aware of the extent that they can go. We were not evolved to HAVE to eat every day much less three meals a day.

    For the last 40 years I have done well on one meal a day and a few snacks if they were available. I eat supper. I don't like to work with anything on my stomach so I don't do breakfast and don't do lunch if I am working. LOL, I honestly am not sure what it would take for me to starve to death. I have a VERY efficient metabolism. It has been a curse for me more than a blessing. I have to cut my intake back to almost nothing to lose weight and have fought a weight issue most of my life. The good part is that if I don’t eat I don’t get weak for a couple of weeks.
     
  44. Old Geezer

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    With a squad-level m.gun, you can chain it down and set stakes so as to limit ride-up and limit your horizontal rake width. But there, y'gotta know your field of fire. Worked with a fellow who said they'd take tracer rounds out of M60 belts and fire them in their M14 rifles to get a better idea of the trajectory available to them.
     
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    The thing is that the military way of doing things is based on a serious supply of ammo. We are not going to have that and if we act like we do we are going to be out of ammo FAST. I'm not sure that in an end of the world as we know it situation that an automatic is the way to go. I plan on avoiding trouble as much as I can, but if I feel threatened I'm going to kill them cold and without warning, one bullet is akk I will need. I will have very little mercy on someone that made no preperations and then wants me to carry them.
     
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    By Texdanm...


    With the accurate range of an M3 Grease Gun...I believe I'd rather have my Mossberg or Ithaca 12 gauge pump.
    And again...ammo costs monies...even shotgun shells...cost serious moneys.

    Now as I understand it....in miliary units...the 12 gauge shotgun has ammo for it not available to the civilian marketplace.
    But the military is re discovering how effective the shotgun is in close house to house fighting....

    I was told by surviving olde timers who came ashore after D day in France during WW2...that in house to house ....the M1 rifle was not that good. Most of these soldiers were raised on the shotgun ..and knew well of what it was capable. But the military did not issue that many shotguns except to Military Police ..and a few others. These olde Timers told me they traded in their M1 rifles for Thompson .45ACP machine guns or the grease gun ...but they verily wanted their olde shotguns for house to house close in work.

    Does anyone even make a fully automatic 12 gauge shotgun??? That would be beyond devastating....
    Could such an weapon even be controlled in full auto???

    I do know that the government has made 105 mm artillery rounds for mass charges...like a huge shotgun shell....absolutely devastating.....horrific.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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    What you have to understand is that military weapons and especially the AMMO is not designed to be very deadly. FMJ just isn't a stopper on the best of days. A 12 ga shotgun loaded with buckshot IS designed specificly TO kill. They military makes it even better by offering a freaking 22!!! In a survival situation the military weapons and ammo are terrible choices.

    A Winchester lever action 357 is better. AIM and hit your target instead of spray and pray. I used to shoot a 44 mag auto rifle and it was a beast. If you hit something it was in a world of hurt. I have since moved to a 357 mag rifle because it offers a lot of variaty of loads. (38 special is great for small game). It is still a better stopper out of a rifle than a 223/5.56.

    Where I live shots much past 100 yards are few and far in between. I like lever actions because they are a good ballance between firepower and stopping power without being ammo eaters. I don't need a 300 yard weapon not a fast shooting automatic. If I want to spray I will fire up my 10-22 with a 30round clip and my magic windup and let it rip trigger attachment.It will burn through a 30 round clip faster than you can say "Holy CRAP Batman!!" It is a cute toy but not very practical.

    I am a reloader and having to have an Easter Egg hunt gathering brass is just a massive pain in the kiester. I plan on having plenty of supplies to repoad my chosen calibers.
     
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    I like to reload, both from a cost stand point and to obtain maximum accuracy. Spray and prey weapons are not on my list. I like semiauto as a force multiplier and lever / bolt action rifles for accuracy and distance. There is no real debate about the value of a shotgun. The only real debates is pump vs. semiauto. I prefer the mag fed semiauto shotgun.
     
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    I have this itch I constantly have to discipline ....to get an M1A rifle....the civilian version of the M14. I have to fight this one.

    And at times the "Force Becomes Weak.....the Force is not with me.!!!"

    I have to verily fight this one...it is a serious itch.


    It is for the reasons described by many of the members here that I do not get an M1A.....too hard on the ammo consumption.
    I am making do with my Mossberg Patrol rifle and my Ishapore Enfield Rifle..Bolt Actions.....both in .308 Winchester.....

    Have taught myself to fabricate .308 Winchester from 30.06 brass ...just to learn the technique should hard times come.

    I do like my time at the reloading bench....and it has taught me to appreciate shooting straight and accurate....not to spray and make a lot of noise. Also taught me to appreciate accurate tools.

    But still have to fight the itch from time to time....and Strengthen "The Force!!"

    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite.
     
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      I have been told by a salesperson / personal-buyer NOT to purchase the Springfield Armory M1A. Failures to feed, I remember him telling me -- the rest, I've forgotten. I was surprised. Before purchasing, do your research and talk to buyers. I've also heard bad reviews concerning the "Tanker" / carbine version of the M1A. Again, check-out the I've-been-there intel. Personally, I have no experience with these modern-day semi-auto copies of these M14's. I'd love to have one that worked properly. Was issued an M14 when I was in High School, so this weapon got imprinted in my neurocircuitry.
       
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    LOL, I know about that "itch". A lot of years ago I actually gave in to it and found a way to get to play with all the fun toys without havig my wife kill me. I got Federal firearms liscense and told her it was "business". I mostly just did individual mail order guns and worked the Houston Gun Shows and local show. If I got a gun at a good price I could shoot it for while and then after a few specialty modifications sell them for a tidy profit at the next show. Touch up Reblue, shine the parts that are shiny metal, polish up the stock or restain it, God inlay all of the writing and sudenly it is "special".

    If I ordered it new for someone I added a box of shells to the price and made sure that it was safe and functioned correctly before turning it over to its new owner. On a revolver this included polishing the triger mechinism to make it glass smooth. This was before the autos took over the market. Most Cops back then carried revolvers and about the only autos that I messed with were the Colt 45 auto and the Browning Highpower.

    Back then most of the other autos tended to be jamamatics untess you took VERY good care of them and even then they would jam or fail to feed on you. When you are carrying a gun as a cop or security person you just don't tollerate that. Now almost any of the good name autos are very dependable and alas even I have given into it an carry a small 9mm. My wife is having none of it though and still carries her Taurus 85 38 special snubbie. With my reloads it really is pretty special. It has a strong steel frame and does fine with my +P+ reloads that are just under 357 mag level. Reloading using fast burning powder gets the best possible results out of strong guns with short barrels.
     
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