Do you REALLY think humans will survive an apocalypse?

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  1. judyd1

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    I know there are a lot of movies out there that have ideas about what the end of the world might be like. Some present the future as a pretty scary place, with zombie-like humans, or 90% of the population dying off immediately--that sort of thing.

    But what do YOU see a post-apocalypse period as being like?

    Do you think humans could survive it, and could civilization ever recover?
     
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  2. lonewolf

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    civilisations have been collapsing for all of human history for one reason or another, but in the past the technology was so simple people could access their daily needs by their own labours and just wait for civilisation to reassert itself, that is not the case these days, modern humans are "specialists" and don't know enough to do this anymore, they rely on "the system" to supply all their wants and needs, when the system collapses they will be left without any viable support .
    a few have always survived to perpetuate the human race but the survival rate will be miniscule, maybe 10-5%.
     
  3. Kev Brown

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    Humans have survived quite a few catastrophes already. With the technology we have today and the fact that there are people all over the planet, humans should always be able to thrive somewhere. It would take a giant meteor strike to wipe out all human life and even then there is a possibility of small numbers still surviving.
     
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  4. filmjunkie08

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    There are three possibilities that could disrupt life as we know it: nuclear war, economic collapse, or a massive health outbreak of some type. However, humans will survive. We always have and always will. Those that will survive will adapt and live on to procreate. Given time they will recover, rebuild, and thrive.
     
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  5. acheno84

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    I think the biggest issue will be for the people who don't know how to survive in dire need. These are the people that rely on technology, have no idea how to fish or hunt, and no back up plan. It's always good to prepare for a disaster of any kind. Here, we enter hurricane season in Florida. I've got a cabinet full of food and bottled water in the event that something happens. I have a generator in the garage and enough gasoline to keep us afloat for a while.

    Eventually, there will be the rebuilding and reuniting of people; of course after the looting and rioting. It will take time, but people who planned ahead have a MUCH better chance than those who are just going to wing it.
     
  6. Deeishere

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    I don't see many people surviving. I think about the saying, "Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It." We have all kinds of destructive weapons. I really believe like the atom bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a maniacal leader will start a nuclear war. In ancient times, the Apostle John saw a vision that was pretty scary. He saw war, disease, ecological disasters ranging from 1/3 of the trees and grass being destroyed, meteors hitting the earth, parts of the sun/moon being destroyed to people dying from lack contaminated water. The amazing thing was it wasn't just in one spot, but more of a global calamity. Once this happens civilization will not ever be the same.
     
  7. Arkane

    Arkane Master Survivalist
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    Some humans will survive, most won't.

    Preppers and survivalists think they will survive better. The sad facts are that they have no better chance of surviving than any other person!

    By mitigating some risks they increase other risks! And by having fixed preconceived ideas about things they will fail by there own actions in most cases!

    There are many dormant wolves out there with sheepskins on! preppers and survivalists by no means have a monopoly on smarts or skills or the drive to survive!
    To assume an air of superiority because you are a survivalist will be mosts doom!
     
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  8. Damorale

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    Initially, no, there is a high probability that whichever apocalyptic event that almost ends the human race won't be survived better by survivalists and preppers, because of two things (in my opinion) - we won't be told that it's due to happen because our leaders don't think we can handle terrible news, and secondly, for it to wipe out the vast majority of humans at initial impact, it has to be a very big, earth shaking kind of event.

    If there was an economic collapse, or we reverted to a pre-industrial kind of age where there's no access to electricity and the internet or running water, then this won't be the case because at the very start of the collapse, we will all have to adjust to the new life and do so from a position of physical health, and alongside all of our family. In that situation, survivalists will benefit from knowledge but they won't necessarily survive better than anyone else as they will likely become leaders of their packs, and ensure that the rest of the pack works towards a common goal of survival.

    But if there was an enormous meteor that couldn't be anticipated and wasn't shared with the public, and 99% of the world was wiped out, I agree there's not much a survivalist can do to survive the initial impact. But once they have recovered from that, I'm sure they will survive better than most of the remaining 1% of the human race.
     
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  9. Endure

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    I think humans can survive any apocalypse except for the unlikely event a giant meteor or a gamma ray strike the planet and condemn us all to massive extinction.
     
  10. BeautifullyBree

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    I think it depends on the type of apocalypse. I definitely dont think ALL humans will survive. Either we will all be wiped out or there will be a few survivors. If anyone does survive there might be a chance of life after apocalypse.
     
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  11. DaBozzLady

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    The chance and/or rate of survival depends on the type of attack. Certain attacks could poison the air we breathe making it even more worse than it is now. Or it could be flooding or massive earthquakes, which would affect people who can't swim and people who don't have time to do anything else. Or it could be nuclear attacks that start out small and then get bigger affecting or multiplying as it spreads. So there are so many different forms of catastrophe that could happen at a moment's notice that will affect the survival rate. Even being prepared, the best sometimes don't make it. It's just the circle of life.

    We have been faced with many disasters and have been able to persevere. Look at the recession that just past (to a certain extent). Look at the current situation in Texas with the flooding. One thing that helps is that if it's on a smaller scale, others will definitely rally around and help. Larger scale will definitely make it harder because then you have everybody just trying to survive and chaos will ensue.

    We have been known to be and are very capable of being resilient. So yes, I do think civilization would recover. It may not be back to exactly what it was before. But with all things, change happens. Sometimes for the better, sometimes it could be worse. I would just say have your mind ready for any/all possibilities.
     
  12. lonewolf

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    I think your all missing the point, and that is that modern humans rely on a system for their daily survival, food is transported from huge warehouses on the back of trucks to supermarkets who only keep a maximum of 3 days worth of normal sales, interrupt that supply and that 3 days worth will be gone in a matter of hours, with no chance of resupply.
    once that system that people rely on is no more, how do they survive? sure they can steal it from other people but it dosent matter how you cut the amount it is still finite and will only last so long.
    what then? without the skills and knowledge to find and grow their own food how long before they succumb to the inevitable? remember we are all mortal beings-without food we can only live for about 30 days, 3 days or so without water....some may live slightly longer, some slightly less, but without food and water death is inevitable.
     
  13. Arkane

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    So what special knowledge do survivalists/preppers have that the sheeple don't?

    Nothing but a few supplies put away and a delusion that those supplies make one superior to the sheeple!
    Well people the sheeple have something survivalists/preppers do not have!
    First they have desperation, second they have numbers!
    No survivalist will stand a chance against that! not even a small group!
    If your main plan is not to be found, plan B will need to be good!
    You may find groups up to several thousand tearing up the countryside!
    Yes I know 2000 is not sustainable but it can sustain great loss's to gain its objective!
    Mobs can flex there size easy! the more that die taking some hoarders place the less to be fed and fewer will die of starvation!

    Mob dynamics are crazy!
    Mobs will attract sheeple, it's that herd instinct, the strong will eat, the weak will starve.
    As the strong suffer casualties the weak will move up the chain and get more food/booty until they too become casualties!
    While more will join at the bottom!
    The group will attract new members all the while they are successful, and with numbers they will be!
    Casualties are acceptable so long as attacks are successful, if there are many failures then first leadership will change, if
    failures continue then numbers will drop and a drop in numbers makes any further success harder!
    Deserters will just melt into the night and go there separate way!

    A mob of thousands can form in days and fade away in weeks!

    Expect torture of any captives for any more potential targets! but do not expect them to last long!
    Captives will be used abused and discarded!
    Girls are booty! ugly ones will get used by many and not last long!, pretty ones if well behaved will still get used but by senior members and might get fed!
    Really pretty ones might be the boss's private booty and live quite well if they are compliant!
    Men will get worked to death unless they have some other value! chef, cobbler etc!

    These mobs will be short lived and are not likely to last a year! but they will leave devestation in its wake!

    As a sheeple or even a survivalist your best chance may be to join them while it suits you if they come to your area!
     
  14. Kev Brown

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    Sad but true. It's best to prepare and give yourself the best chance of survival but there are numerous external factors that can affect your chances of survival and the majority are completely out of your control. Your best bet is to choose a location which suits you best and then prepare realistically for the disasters that can affect that region.
     
  15. lonewolf

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    exactly! I moved out of a city that now numbers 250,00 in 1999, I moved to a town that now has a population of about 9,000, 7 years ago I moved to a small rural market town with a PARISH(not just the town) population of 2,000. I reckon this will give me the best chance of survival.
     
  16. dogs of amf

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    It's really hard to think we couldn't. Me, personally, I think we'd survive better in an apocalypse than we do now. Something about disaster brings out the empathy in us and we've been fairly low on that as of late.

    I don't think we'd have too much trouble going back to personal agrarian farming, unlike the other commentators. I think enough people have sister skills that they'd be able to ferret out how farming works. Assuming we didn't lose them, we concentrated all of our farming knowledge in books, and I don't think reading and comprehending them would be too hard for a modern survivalist (I mean, this is all stuff illiterates did for thousands of years, how hard can it be?)

    There'd definitely be short-term flare-ups, especially right in the wake of an event, no question. But, over time, as people reorganize themselves into new political units based on shared necessity, there'll be a resurgence of communication and friendliness and trade and all that stuff we consider the bedrock of modern existence. And we certainly have enough food storage to get to that point.
     
  17. Deeishere

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    I totally agree with what you are saying. There is a book out called, One Second After and it's about a man trying to save his family since the electrical grid is destroyed. Society is now living in the dark ages. People are fighting to survive. It was an interesting read because this guy covered things that I didn't think about. Like if our electrical grid is no longer working, we can't even use our cars. Mostly everything we own or use has some form of computer chip in it. He talked about the store shelves being emptied out, nursing homes abandoning their patients, and thieves robbing the pharmacies out of all the medications. It was total chaos.
     
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      That was a good book! It's actually part of a series and I've read all three books. I had my daughter read the first one so she could see why I was trying to be prepared, it really put it in prospective for her.
       
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  18. ally79

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    One Second After is a VERY accurate description of what will likely happen in a variety of SHTF situations. I do believe that SOME people will survive, but I also think that a huge percentage of the human population will die. It takes a very strong mindset and a lot of determination to survive extreme situations like a long term grid down event and I don't see the fortitude to fight in the majority of people. We have become people who are complacent, lazy, and waiting for a hand out...not people who work hard for every meal they eat or bath they take.
     
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  19. lucidcuber

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    The world is a big place, nothing is going to eradicate all 7.4 billion of us. Even if every single nuclear weapon on earth was detonated at the optimum location, there would still be hundreds of us that would survive. Even that is a hypothetical, never-going-to-happen scenario.

    Even if global temperatures rose by 10c, Antarctica would be able to support human life.
     
  20. lexinonomous

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    I do not think that all humans are capable of surviving a situation like the apocalypse. I think many humans would panic and make very rash decisions in a short amount of time. There are definitely people in this world that would be able to survive the apocalypse, but none of them will make it out alive. We are all going to die at some point, but I do believe there are people that would survive much longer than others. I'm sure there are people that could reform societies and add some sort of structure to the world after an apocalypse. I believe that the people without the ability to survive outweigh the people that could, though.
     
  21. Kev Brown

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    Makes a lot of sense. I assume you have great opportunities for growing and storing your own supplies there. Is the market still active and also what kind of supplies find their way through your current location? The UK has some great remote locations, it's interesting to know what exactly you can get in each area.
     
  22. Arkane

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    Some testing of humanity is overdue!
    It is not so much skills and supplies that will get one through it will be more about thinking!
    Idiots no matter how prepared are still idiots and will do idiotic things getting people killed!

    If you are an idiot and no one thinks they are! you will fail somewhere along the line! sooner rather than later.
     
  23. lonewolf

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    yes the market is still active with not only a pannier market on a Tuesday but also a poultry market, an agricultural items auction and a slaughter house on the site.
    we get most of our meat there-I haven't bought supermarket meat for about 15 years, we can buy shirts and jackets there also household supplies, fruit and vegetables and bird food, bakery items and cash and carry goods, tools, watches, you name it we've got it.
     
  24. glreese

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    I think that the human race as a whole will survive. But I think a lot of collateral damage in the terms of human lives will suffer. I think the population of the world with drop a lot. A lot of people will struggle to find food and shelter. A lot of people would not know how to survive outside of their comfortable lifestyles. They would either have to learn very quickly, or they would perish.
     
  25. judyd1

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    I think you're right, it definitely depends on more than just ability, though. I think that the wealthiest people might survive due to having the money for underground safety or supplies, but once others find a way to loot and take what the rich have stored up, it would be an even playing field. The best way to be prepared is to know how to negotiate, how to share when sharing might save your life, and how to survive in desperate or harsh times.

    This site has some pretty good ideas for how to do that. And it sounds like a lot of you have put some deep thought into what that future time would be like, and how to get through it.
     
  26. John Snort

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    The likelihood of all of humanity being wiped out in any apocalyptic event is quite remote. Entire continents might be destroyed but somewhere on earth there'll be a number of people who will survive. As they learn to adapt following the apocalyptic event many will die but eventually there are some who'll learn what it takes to survive. So yes, I'm sure humans can survive an apocalypse but as it has already been stated, the survivors will be few.
     
  27. OursIsTheFury

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    Humans are greedy creatures that would drag people down or push people over just so they could have an advantage. I highly doubt that people would work together to form a better fix for an apocalypse, as they would be too preoccupied with their own wants and needs to focus on the larger picture. Maybe a small group or groups of people would make it, but in general, mass panic, hysteria, greed, corruption, and overall mentality of humans would eventually lead us into extinction, especially after a great disaster or calamity. People would just blame others or pity themselves instead of getting back on their feet, and that's the problem.
     
  28. lonewolf

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    you've got in in a nutshell Fury, in an apocalypse/collapse/catastrophe whatever you want to call it, we need to get as far away from others as possible or else they will drag us down with them, trust no one.
     
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  29. Keith H.

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    I don't see there being another world war, other than what is going on in the East. The wealthy/super rich, big corporations & corrupt politicians such as we have in Australia are making too much money to rock the boat now. Indonesia is said to be a threat, but Australia & the rest of the major power countries are all backing the genocide in West Papua, so I can't see that happening. The Papuans helped our Diggers in WW2, & now our government is helping to take their land & kill them off, & not a complaint from the majority of Australians, gutless wonders, or anyone else for that matter. This is what this world has come to. I am disgusted. I hope they all perish if it all hits the fan.
    Keith.
     
  30. ZoeZoundBarrier

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    I would hope that we would be able to survive. I believe that what we are hoping is that the environment stabilizes after everything is settled. If that is the case then we should be able to survive such an event no problem. One thing that is not regularly portrayed in the films is that the environment might not go directly back to how it was. It might become something else entirely. Most likely it will be harsh for a few millenniums and we will see a new age much in the same way that humanity has experienced the prehistoric ice and stone ages. If that is the case then I have faith that we will survive. If it be by an unseen hand that guides man in his endeavors or if it be by our own prowess and willingness to reproduce and survive.
     
  31. djordjem87

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    Some would for sure but most would not and I know that these new generations of Justin Biebers would not have any chances of surviving even if they go to a safe place while the whole thing is happening. People become weak and they need to feel safe in order to be happy which is a totally different feeling to the one of apocalypse. I think that Eastern countries would do well, Russians, Chinese, Japanese and some from my region because we are not too smart or too strong or even two comfortable in our own environment. We have a bit from everything. Unfortunately even here on the Balkan peninsula new generations have gone too pop and fancy. They cry when a dog barks at them. For example when a dog barks at me I bark back and then the dog cries :)
     
  32. lonewolf

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    trouble is here in the west and especially Britain we have become weak and helpless, people want everything done for them.
    I think your analogy of the "Justin Bieber" generation is spot on.
    in a catastrophe the majority will just sit and moan, its always someone else's fault when something happens, and they wont get off their backsides and do something for themselves. it does not bode well for survival.
     
  33. iseeyou

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    We might avoid being fatally victimized by the apocalypse, but I don't think we will last a long time living in the aftermath of an apocalypse. We are not equipped to live with nothing and deal with such enormous challenge. Most of us nowadays are really dependent on technology and advanced tools to do the hard work for us, so i think there's a very slim chance of us surviving an apocalypse. So in a way, this forum is a great way to exchange ideas and prepare ourselves if ever an apocalypse arises. lol
     
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    I honestly believe that it is within most people the will to survive. If people have not been doing their best to survive already then they will either have something that switches on in them when the time is at hand or they will fall prey to the circumstances that are around them.
     
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    If we are talking about a Biblical apocalypse, I don't believe that anyone will survive, as the intent is the end of the worldliness that we know. However, if we are discussing apocalypse brought on by war or collapse of society, I believe there will be thousands that survive. There are more preppers now than ever and those that live outside of large cities have a better chance of avoiding the mass chaos that may occur. In many states and in many religions, people still provide for themselves and live off the land. I think if they survive the initial event, there is definitely a chance of survival and repopulating the earth.
     
  36. hades_leae

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    I honestly don't think so, even if we did, there would be so much chaos among everyone still trying to survive in what will be known as the wild.

    The governments could care less about that, they know what life will be like after the collapse. The only way we could survive is if we already had some international, or national plan setup to where we could still have hundreds of thousands of us already prepared to survive in something like that movie "2012", where they had giant ships or just some other method.
     
  37. lonewolf

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    the general consensus of opinion is that in a collapse of society type scenario, the general population are so woefully unprepared and lacking in any kind of survival and manual skills that the % of the population that might survive will be in single figures.
     
  38. EarlAlexander

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    Civilization may recover and it may not depending on the kind of Apocalypse that happens. Have you ever imagine a world without electricity and electronic to make work easier and faster or should I say all kind of machines disappearing into thin air and human are just left with the advancement of the early age. There would first be anarchy and chaos, groups would be formed, it will be a survival of the fit until a uniting force pulls the world together.
     
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  39. Keith H.

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    Good post Earl.
    Keith.
     
  40. lonewolf

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    there are many people in the western world who wont be able to function without electricity and machines to do the work for them, they have never known any different and have no idea what to do.
    in the past civilisations have collapsed and the "technology" was so basic the survivors could access their daily needs by their own labour and simply wait for "civilisation" to reappear, without our 21st century technology and world wide delivery systems this wont be possible except for the prepared few.
     
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    I have no doubt that humans would be able to survive a post-apocalyptic event. Didn't some humans survive the Hiroshima bombings? There have also been other catastrophic happenings. People depend on technology but don't underestimate their capacity to adapt in order to preserve their well-being. When the technology becomes useless they will find and means to come up with new inventions to make their lives as comfortable as can be. They have been doing it since the beginning of time and they have not lost those instincts.
     
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  42. lonewolf

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    you might think so, but 21st century humans rely so much on technology it is debateable whether they can function without it.
    if that wasn't the case there would be no need for forums like this one.
     
  43. jeager

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    People on welfare as a multi generational "occupation" will be the first to feel the effects of
    a local or world wide shtf situation.
    They will do what they have learned to do that works for them.
    RIOT!
    However in a real shtf rioting will do little but release energy.
    Screw them. Let 'em die.
    They can contribute nothing to anyone in a shtf.
    Except breeding more welfare babies.
    Is that harsh?
    Yes.
    Survival is harsh now isn't it?
    Snowflakes will melt.
     
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  44. Nela Civobeg

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    I agree to certain extent. Depending on what kind of apocalypse might be waiting for us, we might as well survive it and start all over again. By saying we depend on system too much you are making people look like they are brainless puppets. We do depend on a lot of things today, that is true, but eventually you would have to find your way to survive the day. People can do extreme things once they are in danger and come up with many great ideas and tricks. The thing is, we are in no fight for life situation now, so most of us wouldn't be prepared, but if we ever ended in a dire post-apocalyptic situation our primeval instincts would wake up again and make us fight for our lives like never before. Some would do better, some would do worse, but I do believe with a tiniest bit of knowledge about nature, animals, and how to handle tools you would easily come up with solutions to deal with certain tasks. Worst case scenario would be if we ran out of water. I guess we would have to depends on our own body to give us water :p Or if you can build an advanced machine from scraps of today's technology you could extract water even from feces. Power it with manpower and enjoy free water :)
     
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  45. Deathisue

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    It can be, the human can be worse than a plague and as one looks for the way to survive adversity, despite all will be against humanity, they will seek a way or another to face what can end with us, so If I believe that mankind could succeed in survive.
     
  46. Scarlet

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    I don't have to wait to figure out for apocalypse because nowadays its happening. Seeing the super typhoon that hit my country and killed a lot of people a few years ago and experiencing a high magnitude earthquake when I was a kid was already an apocalypse for me.
     
  47. CivilDefense

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    I suppose it depends on the event. However, generally speaking, yes. We as a species have proven very adaptable and we've survived all sorts of events that could potentially done us in. There is even a controversial theory that the population bottleneck that corresponded to around the time of the Toba catastrophe are related. And unlike 70,000 years ago, mankind now has advanced civilizations, technology, medicines, weapons, etc.

    All that said, in a major situation (e.g., comet impact, nuclear exchange, etc.), a lot of people are going to get lunched. Part of being prepared is to better one's odds.
     
  48. SuperBugMan

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    Humans would no doubt survive. Why are we any more susceptible to dying out than any other animal?

    Civilizations have collapsed hundreds if not thousands of times in situations we would describe as apocalyptic yet we are still here. Didn't the human race dwindle to a few thousand at one point and still bounce back?

    For better or for worse, humanity is going nowhere. There are too many of us, spread out in so many remote locations. The world would literally have to be obliterated to get rid of us.
     
  49. Ystranc

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    I will be honest with you Judyd1, I haven't got the faintest idea. Initially it would depend on blind luck, who knows where the hammer blow will fall hardest. I'm bugged out in the middle of nowhere but I could be ground zero for a meteorite strike.
    All I can do is try to adjust the odds in my favour and maintain a positive attitude. If it helps, I'm sure some will survive, somewhere.

    Arkane's rather jaded description of a mob of 2000 sheeple under the direction of a few leaders is worrying but unrealistic. Rioters don't act under direction, the individual rioters would not selflessly sacrifice themselves for the greater good like army ants. To instil the discipline necessary to make people from all walks of life act in concert like that would take training and indoctrination over a period of weeks or months. It would take a common purpose and an awesomely charismatic leader.
     
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    I think that barring something that totally destroyed the whole earth and everything on it, that some humans would survive. How many would survive, and for how long, would depend on what caused the life extinction event, and where the worst part of it hit.
    Even if people in the cities banded together into marauding groups, eventually, they will have stolen everything there is to steal, and killed anyone who tried to stop them.
    Having no real survival skills, these people will not last long once they can't find usable items and food. Possibly, these kinds of people might make it a few years even; but without any real knowledge of how to make anything, eventually all of what is left will be gone, and with no way to replace it.
    Little groups of people who have learned to survive without society and technology will probably last longer, but even most of the survival type people depend somewhat on things they can buy. Things like shovels and knives will last a long time, but until people learn how to make these kinds of things again, once the available ones break or wear out, people will be back to using sticks and rocks.
    People who live in the jungles of the world, most of whom have never had contact with civilization , will probably have the very best chance of survival, because their life will go on as normal, probably even if some kind of a virus wipes out most of civilization.
     
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