Dog, Dogs, Domesticated

I've tried to find a thread about domesticated dogs, i.e. our best friends. Found stuff about feral dogs.

Creating this to have a place to discuss our dogs. When it hits the fan, I'm willing to kill game to feed not only family but also our companion species.

Dogs provide security, they help us hunt, and in particularly bad weather, we bring them inside to help keep us warm. It's all mutually beneficial. Post-SHTF, somebody messes with my critters, I'll make that human go ambient temp.

We feed our dog bagged dog food and table scraps. In past, we've kept dogs (plural) inside our property fence. I have not used dogs for hunting, but would be fascinated by other's stories. A squirrel dog just has to run to the other side of the tree to get the squirrel to come to your side of the tree. Retrievers can be trained to do complex behaviors.

 

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First, you CAN spoil your dog. Do not do this.



Who owns who?!!!

 

Here is a good thread that I can relate to . I will be watching this thread closely . Frankly though for now , I will hold back from saying too much as in the past have found some on this site found my canine defensive strategy too appalling to get their heads around . I do intend to defend my preps . Just as I sat down to type this my watch dog brought a dead possum into the house to show us . I simply told the dog to take the dead animal back outside and she dutifully picked it back up and disappeared out the front door with it and into the darkness .

 

Dogs are happiest when they know their place. We humans are happiest when we submit our will to the Will of our Creator. Knowing one's place is the beginning of all Knowledge.

Humans may consider the proper disciplining of dogs cruel. It assuredly is not. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a dog to be happy unless it knows its place. Human pride prevents humans from understanding the hard-wiring of dogs. Human pride prevents the soul of a human from attaining unto its continued evolution.

I am the master of my dog. I punish it if it goes out of its place. I pet it, I reward it, when it engages in the behaviors it is supposed to achieve. So too is my station before my Creator. A dog is only what it is. I am only what I am.

Large ego = spiritual death in worlds beyond this. In a lucid dream, I was put in my place ... BIG TIME. Love is an SOB.

Rules are rules. One can't pretend their way out of the Greater Reality.
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I leave a way for my watch dog to leave or come inside my home at night as she prowls around looking for prey . I sleep with no concerns as I have full confidence in her . I have seen her at a full run leap up and flip to the ground in one graceful movement a 180 pound goat . A human would be even easier for her . -- Today she bayed inside my bedroom . I looked under my bed and there was a large live possum . I picked the bed up and she swooped in and began crushing bones and then promptly removed it from my house . I didn't even need to tell her to take it outside . I suppose her nose told her a possum was hiding under the bed . If I had stepped on that possum in the night barefooted I wouldn't have liked that . -- I wasn't joking about living in a rural setting . We take a flashlight at night to look for snakes when we go outside and walk our board walk to the outdoor shower .

 

Dogs / humans ... some breeds are just violent. Genetics are genetics.

Nice, nice, nice, killer, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, killer, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, ....

"Dogs that fatally mauled Tennessee toddlers, injured mom were never violent, friend says"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/dogs-fat...oddlers-injured-mom-never-violent-friend-says

"The family's pit bulls killed Lilly Jane Bennard, 2, and her little brother, 5-month-old Hollace Dean Bennard

"The family dogs who mauled two Tennessee toddlers to death Wednesday and left their mother with severe injuries had never been aggressive, a friend told Fox News Digital.

"Kirstie Jane Bennard, 30, was seriously wounded when she tried to pull the family's two pit bulls off 5-month-old Hollace Dean and 2-year-old Lilly Jane at their home in rural Shelby County outside Memphis."

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https://www.hepper.com/what-were-pit-bulls-bred-for/

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Barbary-Pirates-English-Slaves/
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Can't train a pit bull to be a kindly shepherd.

Pit bulls were genetically selected for fighting. They are hard-wired to do so.

One does not read about Labrador retrievers going killer, nor will you likely read about English shepherds going mean. Actually, I've watched shepherds guard / herd other dogs and little kids. We have an English shepherd now (had a half-breed shepherd years ago). If I start to grab my wife and act aggressively towards her, this dog will put itself between her and I and start barking at me. The dog has no way of knowing that I'm only pretending. These breeds protect. They are hard-wired to do so. We had a Lab and they are super great with children. I've never seen a child licked to death.

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"Dog Attacks & Biting Statistics by Breed"

https://www.warriorsforjustice.com/dog-biting-statistics-by-breed/

"A census was taken in 2021 of dog attacks by breed from previous years. The top 5 dog breeds with the most bite attacks in the United States are listed below."

1. Pit Bull: Attacks: 3,397; Deaths: 295

2. Rottweiler: Attacks: 535 Deaths: 8

3. German Shepherd: Attacks: 113 Deaths: 15

4. Presa Canario: Attacks: 111 Deaths: 18

5. Wolf-Dog Hybrids: Attacks: 85 Deaths: 19

"A staggering 65% of deaths from dog bite attacks come from pit bulls. Of the 433 total dog bite victim fatalities between 2005 and 2017, 284 came from the Pit Bull breed. While Pit Bulls are known to have incredibly strong jaws and razor-sharp teeth, these statistics could be somewhat misleading.

"Pit bulls have a much higher fatality rate when they attack humans than other breeds, but they are also the most abused breed in the United States. They are illegally used in dogfighting matches and provoked to aggressive behavior.

"Another aspect of these statistics is that Pit Bulls are more efficient with their attacks because of their strength. If a small breed such as a Chihuahua bites you, the likelihood of this bite being severe is low. Even if the Chihuahua breed bites more often, the statistics will not show that a Chihuahua is the most dangerous dog because their bites do not end in hospitalizations or fatalities.

"As a pet owner, do your research on your dog’s breed and provide it with the proper care. Socialize regularly, especially with children to get them used to them at an early age. Give it plenty of exercises so that it does not take out that energy in aggression."
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I don't think that the problem is mostly the dogs as much as it is the IDIOTS that own them. A pit bull is mostly just a name. I've had several bulldogs and one and all they were hardheaded, protective, and very loyal to their families. Not one of them was mean or vicious and that is mostly because I made CERTAIN that they KNEW their place in the pack. You can tolerate a little aggression from a little yapper but if you have a big dog you have to train and tame it.

 

Small terriers irritate the crap out'a me. They are yap-yap critters with attitude. I'd kill'em just for target practice. Post SHTF, I see a dangerous breed of dog, I shoot it.

The fighting terriers are bred to bite and then hold-on / sling side-to-side for the ripping effect. Other breeds usually bite, let go, bite again, let go, bite again ... . The latter results in multiple bites. Dogs bred to fight cause ripping injuries plus broken arm bones in their human victims -- they can and do kill children.

Increasingly in America, dog-fighting is coming back as a hideous blood-sport. These animals suffer to death. The primary crews pulling these abominations are urban gangs. Dogs that do not perform are shot, but some escape. Some low percentage of these who get away, survive and form packs. They kill a whole lot of cats (who cares?!), but also a bunch of smaller breeds of dogs who are kept as pets. A non-fighting breed of dog has little chance of surviving such an attack.


"Fatal Dog Attack Statistics In 2020"

https://www.piepronation.com/most-dog-bites-by-breed-2021/

"Looking specifically at 2020, the most recent year for which reliable data has been collected and made publicly available, we can see that pit bulls continue to lead the nation in fatal bite incidents. Taking a deeper dive into the data, pit bulls , mastiff-type war and guard dogs , and additional bull breeds dealt over 80% of lethal bites. One-third of the victims were children nine years or younger."







"Detroit plans construction of long-awaited animal shelter"

https://www.bridgedetroit.com/detroit-animal-shelter/

"Detroit has recorded an increase in dog bites since 2020, according to monthly reports published by the city. There were 609 dog bite incidents as of Nov. 1, which is already higher than the total in 2021 (590 bites) and 2020 (450 bites) with two months still unaccounted for. The most dangerous month for dog bites this year was in May, when 107 bites were recorded.

"Other statistics kept by Detroit Animal Care and Control followed a similar pattern. Animal control responded 12,602 times to calls from residents in 2020, which increased to 15,478 responses in 2021, and 15,779 responses this year as of Nov. 1.

"Intakes at the Detroit Animal Care and Control facilities increased from 4,097 animals in 2020 to 4,613 the following year. The city reported 4,241 intakes so far this year, but the monthly average increased from 510 intakes to 626 intakes in the last year, putting Detroit on track to surpass its 2021 total year’s end. "

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"Neighbors say stray dogs have been killing East Memphis cats for months"

https://wreg.com/news/local/neighbors-say-stray-dogs-killed-dozen-of-cats-in-east-memphis/

"MEMPHIS, Tenn. — Neighbors in the Sea Isle and Colonial Acres subdivisions say two stray dogs have been terrorizing the area and have killed around two dozen cats.

"Karen Derefinko said the dogs killed two cats on Sunday. She said despite numerous calls to animal control, no one has come to pick up the dangerous animals.

“'We’ve given them numerous addresses where the dogs have been,' said Derefinko. 'They are skinny because they’ve been left for about six months, and MAS still does not come. So, it’s a bit of a curiosity. If they are killing this many cats and they are aggressive to humans, what else has to happen for MAS to act.'

"Katie Pemberton said they received three calls Sunday about a black dog attacking people and other animals. Pemberton said an officer did come out but couldn’t locate the dog.

"Derefinko, though, said they have been dealing with the stray dogs since August, and that animal control has asked neighbors to try to trap and hold them for them.

“'These are two very aggressive dogs, and it’s very difficult for us to trap them. We had ten neighbors trying to catch them yesterday with no success because the dogs are aggressive,' said Derefinko.

"Neighbors said they don’t know the solution but don’t want a pack of dogs roaming their streets."

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There's always the issue of dog-packs killing deer and attacking livestock in rural areas. In rural areas, people usually just kill as many dogs as they can when a pack is spotted. These packs are also responsible for the rabies outbreaks.

"Wild Packs of Dogs Are Attacking Covelo Residents and Killing Livestock"

https://mendofever.com/2023/02/21/w...cking-covelo-residents-and-killing-livestock/

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February 18, 2023

"Hunter in Georgia recovering after three dogs attacked him 'in a complete frenzy'"

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/hunter-georgia-recovering-three-dogs-attacked-him-complete-frenzy

"'One of them came in and attacked me. When it did, the other two joined in,' he said about the dogs.

"Two of the dogs were pit bull mixes, while the other was a German shepherd mix, he told Field & Stream.

"The dogs were attacking in 'kind of like a wolf mentality' and 'were in a complete frenzy,' he said.

"While fighting off the dogs, he was able to move toward another ladder stand — where he apparently then climbed to safety."

 

"Shooting to kill an animal: A sad but necessary skill"

https://www.police1.com/patrol-issu...l-a-sad-but-necessary-skill-0EbXvTGaTdh9jCfb/

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Pit bull vs. Tesla

 

Pit bulls will never be banned across the United States. Some U.S. states with socialistic centralized governments restrict their ownership. But even if this breed were to be banned, people wouldn't obey the law. Some inner city gangs conduct dog fights and pit bulls and Rottweilers are popular fighting breeds.

If law enforcement can't enforce the laws, then the laws are meaningless. Civilized citizens attempt to obey reasonable laws (not so much the stupid/irrational laws); however, we have knuckle-draggers who do whatever they want.

Here in the States, there are areas where law enforcement, fire departments, and emergency medical services are afraid to enter. To enter, they have to form multi-vehicle convoys. In some states, law enf. want the regular public to be armed because they may need them to save their lives if they are attacked by some evil crew of felons. And too, civilians can arm a cop with proper weaponry if all the cop has is a handgun. If the cop is in pursuit / left the patrol car, then their shotgun or tactical rifle isn't available to them at the moment.

https://lawnews.tv/examples-of-armed-citizens-helping-police/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ssing-motorist-who-shot-attacker-dead-n706381

https://freedomslodge.com/fbi-report-armed-citizens-killed-more-criminals-than-police/

Here in the USSA, we have legions of violent felons and more are crossing into our country every day. Central American gangs and Mexican drug cartels are sending-in their members hidden within the huge river of regular immigrants. This is not being stopped by the current administration and deep state. How to identify gang members within masses? No way. Thus, the immigration laws must be enforced ... and they are not.

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Now back to mean 4-legged dogs:

Numerous countries have banned breeds like pit bulls / breeds used in dog-fighting. Rottweilers are easily made mean and if they are mean can kill a human. Thing is though, Rott.s are not by nature mean; they are just very strong. This breed was bred to be cattle dogs (first in ancient Rome; cattle are somewhat larger than sheep, therefore ...) and later in Germany to pull meat carts, thus the wide shoulders and strength. Pitt bulls on the other hand were exclusively bred to fight each other; they are rapacious. Dog-fighting is at the top of the list of human cruel behaviors, unimaginable.

https://petkeen.com/what-were-rottweilers-bred-for/

Here's a list of countries that ban pit-bulls. I guess some of these countries ban other breeds in addition to the pits.

 

I shouldn't have brought up the topic of pit bulls. Screwed my Karma. I saw three pit-bulls today in three different locations; one at a farm/garden/tractor show (guy came in there with the thing on a leash, as if that would help), saw one riding in a truck, saw one outside a gas station (off an interstate highway) being walked by owner. Back at home here, not leaving the house again. They are after me!!!

 

Banned breeds in the UK

• Pit Bull Terrier
• Japanese Tosa
• Dogo Argentino
• Fila Brasileiro

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs

 

I was almost licked to death today by a Yellow Lab. I was in a store where they have a giant puppy. The thing also rolled over on its back and demanded that I scratch its tummy. What horrors!