Dying From The Cold.

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  1. lonewolf

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    apparently 29,000 people died in Britain during the winter of 2019/20 not from Covid but from living in a cold house, something called "fuel poverty" where they cannot afford to heat their homes. referred to as "heat or eat".
    we didnt have central heating or double glazing when I was a kid and we coped and I didnt hear anyone complaining about it either. it was just how things were and we got on with it.
    I wonder how many more would die from cold, in what is a relatively mild climate, following WTSHTF?
     
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  2. Brownbear

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    I dod remember stories though, as a kid, of elderly people that had died in their homes of cold. I see, to remember it being linked to the fear of the cost of the heating. I don't think the story is anything new, us humans are probably less acclimatised to colder temperatures now though.

    How we would cope post SHTF is a quite different question. In urban areas there could well be fuel shortages and most modern houses do not have chimneys, so whatever can be found can't be burnt.
     
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  3. lonewolf

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    most new houses are all electric, which causes a problem whenever there is a power cut after a storm and will be a bigger problem WTSHTF.
    400 people die from the cold every winter just in my county.
     
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  4. paul m

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    We have no central heating in our cottage.Two multi fuel stoves,and electric radiators in each room - for when it gets proper cold! Our young neighbours have their heating belching out 24/7.Right now the windows are open to get fresh air in,and the back door open so the dogs can come and go ,and we just put a sweater on. We’ll light the stoves later this afternoon. We are UK btw.

    Obviously,if you are elderly,frail or ill , then you need to stay warm. Also, whatever your circumstances,you need at least one heat source,even if just in one room.If you genuinely cannot afford to put heat on ,then that is a tough situation. Rising fuel prices are causing folks to whine about ‘not affording to heat the house’. Walking around a house half naked in December is different to no heat at all. That’s how soft we have become- as a society.
     
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  5. lonewolf

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    in our present place we have a cast iron stove in the living room, and an electric convector heater in the hallway for extra heating when it gets really cold, thats it.
    I grew up with just a coal fire in the living room, I have never NEVER had heating in a bedroom. if we got cold we put on a jumper.
    trying living in an old caravan(trailer) in the winter and you'll really know what cold is.
    modern generations havent got a clue, turn off the electric and they all think its the Middle Ages.
     
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  6. TexDanm

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    We have central heat but seldom use it. We have a heater in our living room that does a pretty good job. Take right now for example. here it is between Christmas and New Years and we have our AC running. It is damp and sultry outside, not hot but unpleasant so AC ON. A White Christmas has NEVER been a thing in South East Texas. I've gone swimming and waade fishing in the first week of the year several times. So far we have had NO winter this year.

    PS: IF we get a cold winter y'all can all laugh at me whining about it. I don't like COLD!!!
     
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  7. Old Geezer

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    We certainly were not rich, but we were blessed by the Lord God on high by living in coal country.

    The Lord knows how many coal fires I've started. I don't.

    Some kids had to walk the railroad tracks to gather spilt chunks of coal for to heat their homes. I never had to do that, praise God. Hook or crook, the men of my family came up with the money for tons of coal to heat my grandparents' home -- i.e. the gathering center of our klan. Plus, my paternal grandmother could sew quilts, coats, whatever. Hallelujah! And, my parents could afford to buy me new shoes, God bless them in the next world. Other kids weren't so lucky.

    Any time I got cold, I had the kindling and the coal to start a fire in the fireplace, or I could go down and stoke the coal furnace to heat up the house. My dad was born in an iron-mining camp. He and his brothers rose above that world ... by any means necessary. After the war (WWII), they were NOT going to return to poverty. Cross them and see what that would buy you.
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  8. lonewolf

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    some places on the coast here used to find "steam" coal washed up on the shore, this was better quality stuff than sold in the shops or coal man which tended to be of a rougher quality.
    in the old days people used to cut peat to burn, then of course there were the old wooden "faggots" bundles of sticks.
    none of this would be of any use to modern generations as they have nowhere to burn any of this stuff-all electric houses, no fire places and no chimneys.
     
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  9. poltiregist

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    All three houses on our survival grounds have at least back up wood heat capabilities . Actually wood is the main heat source that I have used so for this year . We have been saving our oak trees for when things get really bad and have several never used two man cross cut saws in the stash if gasoline for a chain saw is not available . For $50 .00 a rick I simply had rather buy wood already cut and split than use up my own trees . ---- My tribe got together and finally poured that slab for a 4 th. house a week ago . Also there is the little guest cabin and several campers on the property .
     
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  10. JimLE

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    I've always lived in homes and apartment's that have central heat and air.but don't use either when I don't need them. It's muggy outside.but warm,in which the front door and kitchen window is open.but yet.this last February taught me that I'm I'll prepared for subzero temp's and power outage.in which I used candles 24/7 to keep the apartment warm enough.only time I used my gas stove top.is to make coffee in the morning,and for a little bit of extra heat when needed.
    What I can't understand,is a woman down the street from me won't take the needed step's to stay warm at times like that. It's a wonder that she didn't freeze to death.
     
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  11. lonewolf

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    I have never lived in a home that had central heating, a lot of people in the UK dont seem to be able to live without it and are always turning it up, I guess we were born tougher in the 50s.
     
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  12. arctic bill

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    my place up north has a beautiful wood stove, but i also have electric baseboard heaters. The present stove is a slow burn but the firts one was huge but no control so you would light a fire in it before bed but then it would run out and you would freeze, so i install heater to click on in the middle of the night . now the slow burn will still be warm in the morning .
     
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  13. Max rigger

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    Central heating is just the norm these days, all housing association properties have it, private landlords are actively encouraged to fit it which they should. Heating a whole house via central heating is often not much more expensive than heating just one room so it makes no sense just having one or two heat sources in a home, your actually wasting heat that way.

    I'm fitting underfloor heating and radiators upstairs at the new home Spain which I'll initially run off a wood stove and when I can afford it geo thermal; no excuse for a cold home these days.
     
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      When you say go thermal, what thermal are you referring to? How will you use a wood stove to heat underfloor system? Curious.
       
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  14. Old Geezer

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    We once had a HUGE wood stove; weighed like 400-ish pounds. Took 4 of us guys to get it into place. It was lined with fire brick and had an upper chamber for further burning of soot/carbon. The thing would get hotter than seven devils. On the front of the thing were two air vents that one could adjust to regulate air intake and thus burn-rate of logs.

    Our house was small and I cut two holes in the floor and put adjustable floor vents in each. The vent directly above the stove would permit heat up into our house and the other vent would allow cold air to fall into the basement to be heated.

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    France could get chilly after mid-January 2022:


    "France Faces Power Blackouts In Next Cold Snap, Grid Operator Warns"


    https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditi...-blackouts-next-cold-snap-grid-operator-warns

    "France's electricity grid is coming under strain, and the next cold snap could be devastating for the country as energy-intensive manufacturers would experience reduced power, according to a new report published by French power grid operator Reseau de Transport d'Electricite (RTE).

    "RTE said due to the lack of wind and nuclear power generation. The next cold snap would force it to cut electricity to energy-intensive companies to stabilize the grid. There's even the possibility widespread rolling blackouts could be implemented for two hours to mitigate grid collapse during peak energy demand.

    "The good news is that weather forecasting models provided by Bloomberg don't show an imminent cold blast for the first half of January."

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  15. lonewolf

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    we are in housing association property and we dont have central heating.
    there are a couple of old storage radiators, the old fashioned type with the bricks in them, but they arent programmable , they are either on or off and we have never used them in the 12 years we have lived here.
     
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    With global energy supplies heading the way they are - scarcer and more expensive- gas central heating may well be consigned to the history books. Environmental rules will be prohibiting New builds from having gas boilers within ten years here in the UK.
     
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  17. lonewolf

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    I live in a rural area, no mains gas out in the sticks here.
    with the UK govt wanting everyone to go electric, electric heating-electric cars, we dont really have enough power generation, Hinckley Point still isnt finished and they've had to bring a couple of old coal powered stations back into use just to keep the lights on when everyone was in lock down, thats not sustainable and eventually demand will outstrip supply and the lights will go off.
     
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  18. TexDanm

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    The unfortunate thing about a democracy is that leadership is all about popularity with absolutely no emphasis on competence or on awareness. Even understanding of what makes things like real governments work has no part in our system.

    Imagine a business that worked on that sort of criteria for who to hire or promote to the executive supervisory levels. You won’t ever find a business like that though because they won’t stay in business for long and then be GONE. Democracy is going down the tubes now. Two or three hundred years really isn’t a very long time for a government system to last.
     
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  19. Max rigger

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    The UK needs nuclear power, the new stations are extremely safe and they work, wind turbines, tidal power etc don't work half the time but mention nuclear power and some people go into meltdown. We have plenty of hills and valleys for hydro but you can't do that, it would displace some birds and hedgehogs or whatever.

    There is a group of people making a lot of money selling the idea of 'alternative clean' energy to Mr and Mrs Average.
     
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  20. TexDanm

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    The problem with nuclear power is not the system. The problem is that most people don't have a clue about how it works and base their believes on things that they have seen in disaster movies and TV shows rather than any actual knowledge.

    Can they be potentially dangerus, YES...BUT understand any of the major hydroelectric dams offer an equally dangerous possibility if they fail catastrophicly. Understand people don't really create power. All we do is convert one kind of power to another. Gravity, wind, fire, nuclear reactions are powers that we use to make electricity. Electricity is made by a by or is the product of real natural forces.
     
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  21. lonewolf

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    Nuclear is not cheap when you add in the clean up costs, Germany is closing half of its nuclear power plants and Belgium is closing all of theirs, I dont know why we in Britain arent using tidal power , a guaranteed 4 tides a day should be harnessed.
    the other problem with nuclear is that power stations take so long to build, Hinckley Point C is taking 10 years in its construction and it still isnt finished . so they are a long term project, taking as long as 2 political parliamentry terms.
     
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  22. Old Geezer

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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesc...gic-nuclear-waste-repository/?sh=31e977db6103

    " ... the United States does not yet have a permanent storage plan.

    "Finland does. In early May the Finnish waste management company Posiva Oy, announced the start of excavation on their deep geologic nuclear waste repository for their spent nuclear fuel (SNF) at ONKALO.

    "The repository will be the first in the world to start final disposal of spent nuclear fuel.

    "The Radiation and Nuclear Safety Authority of Finland has certified the process. Operation of the repository is expected to begin in 2023. The total cost estimate is about €2.6 billion ($3.4 billion)."
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  23. lonewolf

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    I see in Britain it has been announced that future domestic fuel bills are likely to be TWICE the amount they usually are, a lot of people just wont be able to pay theirs, so it will be interesting to see if they are cut off for non payment or just allowed to rack up debts, I doubt the latter is sustainable for long.
     
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  24. Old Geezer

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    Tested-out my new high-top insulated boots out in the snow and sub-freezing temperatures. I am delighted.

    Had to also walk on concrete floors and the padded heals allowed my feet pain-free operation. The lace-ups held my ankles in place. The water-proofing allowed not one drop of melted snow into my boots. Wasn't wearing my Merino wool socks (too hot sometimes), but didn't have to.

    My new boots are from Caterpillar. Luv'em. I guess I'm doing a commercial for Caterpillar Boots right now. They're made in Bangladesh, not China. Once had a friend from East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).

    CAT boots:

    https://www.catfootwear.com/US/en/w...e1bf1837db151fad51c079ef7b4cf658&gclsrc=3p.ds
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  25. arctic bill

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    Love it, my nephew had one like this, could heat his whole house with it . You have to be careful now there are regulations coming out about how many particles per cubic foot .
    so check with your municipally https://www.stovefitterswarehouse.co.uk/pages/are-
    wood-burning-stoves-to-be-banned

    Of course they are not getting my stove pollutes yes but heats like a bastard.
     
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  26. Old Geezer

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    https://www.stovefitterswarehouse.co.uk/pages/are-wood-burning-stoves-to-be-banned

    May the Gaia-worshiping communists never see the face of God!

    My family is going to stay warm.

    Burning coal during a temperature inversion event is a specific / unique situation in which all decent citizens must be informed and expected to regard the health of others. This situation is just like civil defense. A temperature inversion is a form of emergency, a war, if you will. Trees breathe CO2, by the by.

    There is an "environmental wacko" side of me and that is that I believe in the sanctity of "old-growth forests" and "rain forests". One must not violate them. Most forests can grow back; no problem. Where I live, if one were to heavily cut forests, then humans disappeared off the face of the Earth, within 20 years, you'd not be able to tell if humans had EVER existed. Such is NOT true of old-growth and rain forests. Japan cuts old growth and rain forests. Japan uses seine nets. Japan kills whales. Communist China follows ZERO rules except the "rule of getting richer". Japan would de-forest Africa and the Northwest of America. So would communist China. These two nations
    are godless scum.
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  27. lonewolf

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    plenty of people over here dont realise that the countryside has to be managed, remove humans from the equation and mother nature will soon take back what is hers and within a short time frame walking across country will be impossible, but so many people are dyed in the wool city folk and dont understand, they think the countryside "just is".
     
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