Euthanasia: Are You For Or Against It?

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  1. WildSpirit

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    This is one of the most controversial subjects in the whole world. There is no denying that anything that touches human life doesn't interest people. How would you react if you were in such a situation? Be it as a patient who would have to do this or be responsible for someone else?

    I tend to always be a very rational person, but in that case I honestly would not know how to act. :oops:
     
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  2. OursIsTheFury

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    I think if the scenario requires it, and it would be the more merciful option (hence the name), I'm all for euthanasia, both if I were the giver or the receiver. Suffering in pain for hours before you die isn't what most people dream of when they go out. With euthanasia the patient gets to call his own time, when he's ready, and he doesn't feel pain or distress during the process. I would honestly rather have it as an option rather than having to uselessly treat someone who has no chance of surviving. Might as well make his last moments peaceful.
     
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  3. remnant

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    Strictly speaking, euthanasia is about letting go of a hopeless situation. But from my religious conviction, I am against it go principle. People in the last stages of affliction have been known to recover from seemingly hopeless situations. Its a benevolent form of murder but its murder by any other name when you come to think of it.
     
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  4. FuZyOn

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    I'm for euthanasia, but I'm sure the people who would actually have to do the job are against it. Imagine how much trauma a medic who would euthanasize people would feel knowing that he kills people on a daily basis. I certainly wouldn't be able to cope with it.
     
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  5. Tumbleweed

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    When my father-in-law was about 65 and just retiring from his job, he suffered a sudden heart attack. They got him to the hospital right away; but he didn't regain consciousness, and they said that if he was going to do so, it should be within the first 24 hours. However, that didn't happen, and the hospital kept him on the life machines.
    When he had another heart attack, they had to put him into a coma to keep him from having more of them; but when he was in such a deep coma, there was no chance at all of his regaining consciousness. Eventually, the hospital had a talk with my mother-in-law and the family, and they determined to take him off of the life-support machines.
    During this time, even though he was uncounscious, my FIL seems to have seizures or heart attacks, or something that gave him great pain. When they took him off of life support, he basically choked to death when his lungs filled up.
    It was a horrible way for someone to die.
    It would have been much better for him if he had died when he first had the heart attack; but barring that, it still would have been much kinder to have given him a shot that ended his suffering than to let him die like he did.
    While I am concerned that this could lead to something like was portrayed in "Solent Green", I still think that it should be allowed in terminal conditions like this, where they know the person is going to die anyway.
    Why let them suffer to death ?
    We do not even do that with our animals when they are dying, they are humanely put down. People should have that option as well.
     
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  6. Robin Roberts Jungle

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    I am hesitant to make any judgments on individuals in this thread. As for me, I would not want to put my loved one through euthanasia. They got the chance to come to this Earth naturally. Why can't they die naturally? I don't think it's against their dignity to die in pain? If they are near death, euthanasia is pointless anyways. Their pain will go away when they go to the afterlife or nothingness, depending on what you believe. A dying person being able to breathe your last words to you on their deathbed is more important than taking away pain from them. In the end, it's not you that's taking away the pain. It's just the natural process speeding up. I think nature should take its course and not just at my convenience.
     
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  7. Clara1993

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    I'm against painless(Euthanasia) and painful killing All is killing dear This is gaking people's lives it's not Human and I know Doctors do that Often but personally even if the say that they do it to make a patient get some peace It's still killing and I would compare them like other people who kill others with knives or other special weapons, in Short I'm agaist Euthanasia I wish I could stop it from being used.
     
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  8. Corzhens

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    Pardon me for this comment. My mother was hit by stroke 6 years ago. She is now 84 and bedridden. Half her body is paralyzed. Making matters worse is the loss of her speech. A caregiver tends to her 24/7, feeding her, bathing and all chores because my mother cannot live by herself anymore. My 2 siblings agree with me that it is better for our mother to rest forever than continue suffering. And we are praying for that.
     
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  9. Ystranc

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    I would not make the decision for another person but both my wife and I have drawn up what is called a living will.
    That is all I will say on the subject.
     
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    Don't say sorry about this. It was very brave of you to share something so personal with us.

    The subject is really something extremely complicated and no one has the right to judge you or your choices. You always have to think about what is best for the person who is suffering.
     
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  11. CivilDefense

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    If it is really the choice of the patient, or the person duly appointed to carry out the wish in the event of incapacitation, then I have no problem with that. If the decision was left to a medical board or a government agency, I'd have a big problem with that. The devil is always in the details.
     
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  12. WildSpirit

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    It seems to be a fair decision. But being fair enough, what can be considered "fair" for a person who is suffering? No one but the person should decide this, however... In the case of euthanasia the person has no will of their own. So, it's all very complicated anyway.
     
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    It's a very complicated decision because not always the person responsible for the person who is sick is the right person to have the final word. I mean, an injustice can easily happen because of it. :oops:
     
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  14. Ystranc

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    I am not going to discuss the contents of a very personal legal document any further.
     
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  15. Rhodolite

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    If the person legally consents to it then they should have that right. I would rather be euthanized than to live in pure and utter agony with no cure of something or if I'm losing my mind. That's not living and that's not life. It's torture to be brutally honest. My grandmother on my father's side passed from lung and sinus cancer she caused herself- but her last moments were spent in pure and utter agony. I've worked in hospitals and there were many long term patients who wanted to die with dignity but couldn't because of the selfishness of some family members that overrode their rights. My own mother had multiple strokes over the years, came out on the better side of them- but it's a matter of time when she'll get that one stroke that will take away all of her mental functions and she'll be nothing than a vegetable. She already has issues with her speech and certain motor skills.
     
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  16. Scarlet

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    It's true that euthanasia is a very controversial topic because we all have different views about it. My view would be conservative because I believe that God's thoughts is not our thoughts. It may seems hopeless for us but things that are impossible for us is possible with God. I would never agree in euthanasia instead I would pray for God's will to happen because He alone can give and take life and it's not for me to decide. I know if I let God do His job, I would be free from my conscience to bother me. This is my opinion and we are all entitled to give our opinion regardless if we all agree or not.
     
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  17. Rhodolite

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    Your belief is your own and others are theirs. It's called choice for a reason and it should exist on the perimeters for that reason. If you want God to take care of you that's your right but I too should have the right to dictate what I want to do with my life and death, especially if I have a degenerative disease that causes suffering and is a burden to my family. Only 6 states at the moment legally allow it (in the form of assisted suicide) which is crazy in my opinion. Nobody should be denied their right to choose what they want or don't want to do with their life and their death.
     
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  18. airfightermax

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    Euthanasia is about relieving someone of their pain by killing them.

    I support euthanasia because what if they are now only alive because of the life support machines they are plugged into and when they wouldn't live a worthwhile life after this? They probably want to end the suffering too and I say we shouldn't stop them from achieving peace.
     
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    Generally when I think on this topic it's in the context of Gubment deciding to cleanse or purge undesirables & whom ever it deems invalid. In that context there are no limits on who, when & under what circumstances it may happen. I am whole heartedly against any such practices....
    That said any individual who is desirous of avoiding a long & Or possibly painfully agonising end should be free to make that choice. That choice being made by the individual, if the want & the need were present, it could be allowed.
    I have been witness to some horrific suffering so my personal picture of mercy, I have no doubt, will differ from others.
     
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  21. TexDanm

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    We treat our pets better than we do our people. If a person is suffering and there is no reasonable hope for recovery WHY would you want to make them and their families suffer through a long, expensive and miserable death? My family knows my wishes. If I am alert just bring me my gun and kiss me good bye! If I'm not then stop treatments, even feeding me, and let me go.
     
  22. Ystranc

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    "Do not resuscitate" orders are legally binding on medical practitioners, if they ignore your decision it can be prosecuted as an assault, in both criminal and civil court. DNRs are also accepted by all major religions since the person has died without intervention. There is no moral criticism that can be made against any person electing for a DNR.
    While I accept that this is not the same as euthanasia it is a path that anyone can choose if you ensure that your doctor and next of kin are aware of your wishes.
     
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  23. Ken S LaTrans

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    I had to "pull the plug" on my mother 4 years ago. She had a severe case of pneumonia, wouldn't go to the doctor, and as a result wound up in intensive care. By the time I could fly from Arizona to Michigan she had a massive heart attack and was in a coma. I had to take the decision to keep her meat sack alive via machines, or to let her go. I chose to let her go. That wasn't a hard decision to make. Yes, I cared about my mother, but I am also a pragmatist. She, or anything that made her my mom, wasn't there any longer. She was simply a bag of organs on life support.

    I was a police officer for three decades. I saw the results of the worst of human depravity, recklessness, and negligence, up close and personal more times than I care to remember. One that sticks out the most is a man who was hit by a drunk driver. His car was in flames by the time I got to the scene of the accident (about 45 seconds as I was only 2 blocks away) and the man was trapped inside the burning vehicle. He was engulfed in flames and screaming. All I could hear were the screams and the heat was so great that my uniform shirt was actually charring as I tried to get to him. I expended TWO fire extinguishers trying to knock the flames back enough to get to his door.

    When the fire unit showed u, less than two minutes after I did, they put the flames down and pulled the man out of the car...and somehow...he was still alive...burnt black over his entire body, all I could think of is "If I were in that situation, I would want someone to put me out of my misery".

    I tend to think back to WWI and the pilots on both sides who had the choice of burning to death slowly in a shot up Sopwith Camel or Fokker D7 or jumping out of the plane without a parachute...or shooting themselves in the head. They weren't "committing suicide"...they were going to die anyway. They were merely taking the choice of whether or not they were going to die slowly and in agony, or quickly without the agony.

    If you bring religion into it...as a Christian, I was taught that Jesus dying on the cross was the propitiation for our sins. He covered them all if we have faith in him and his sacrifice for us on the cross. So, if in fact "suicide" is a sin, it is forgiven and I have to believe the Jesus understands.

    If someone has terminal cancer and their death will be one filled with misery and pain that can't be managed by even the most potent of pain medication....let them choose the time. If someone has been paralyzed vis a vis Christopher Reeve and can't even breathe on their own, and all they can do is rely on others for all their care...let them choose their time.
     
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  24. Old Geezer

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    I took my daughter off life support.

    God's Light burns.

    Imagine a little boy burning ants with his magnifying glass.

    Looking for Mercy in this world?

    This isn't just a dark world, it is a sick world.

    Think God will look the other way? Friend, he isn't watching in the first place.

    Do good. Somebody needs to do so.
     
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  25. watcherchris

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    Like GS Auto Tech..I do not believe this power should be in the hands of government. For the history of governments is that they tend towards Genocide or more aptly "Democide." Death by your own government.

    As to individuals making this decision It is up to them in my mind.

    On a personal level I am against it...but for individuals, families ....it is their right and of course responsibility and one to be taken very very seriously.

    I do not judge a person or family for making that decision ...that is between them and God..not them and me.

    I just don't believe this power should ever be in the hands of government....ever.


    My Ham Radio Elmer...the guy who taught me and helped me to get my license...had a stroke and got progressively worse.

    He made the decision that if it got bad enough and no chance to get better....and on a machine...to give him sedation and take him off the machine. He lasted about half a day.

    That was a courageous man to me...though I am not entirely in favor of it. I believe he did not want to be a burden to his family and wife...and so chose. That is between him and God. I remember him often...for what he taught and encouraged me.


    My .02,

    Watcherhris
     
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  26. The Innkeeper

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    I have been with more than my share of dying, nearly dead and dead people. I have watched people agonize about whether or not to pull the plug. It’s an intensely personal decision but one that the doctors keep making at their discretion and the Gov’t is too close to. With funding decreasing be prepared for ever larger numbers of seniors, chronically ill and other “undesirables” to be “eased of their suffering” (translated cost of care and inconvenience).

    On an unrelated note I have met many pleasant youth in Asia (and elsewhere)
     
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  27. TMT Tactical

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    I agree that assisted suicide should be legal but the government should not be able to determine when somebody should be refused medical support. That is the most important choice anybody can make.
     
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  28. Old Geezer

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    Have had to do it.

    Comes under list of "Nothing matters now, because ..."

    Unless you've vomited your soul, ...

    No matter how meaningful the next life, the wounds from this life never heal. Life damages us eternally. God simply lights another cigarette.
     
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  29. Caribou

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    The wife and I know what the other wants and the government can keep the **** out of it.
     
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  30. Morgan101

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    I don't know if I can give an honest answer. This is a question that rips your guts out. For or Against? In the strictest sense I guess I would say "for". I would hate to see somebody suffer when there is no hope for any change. Could I do it? I don't know. There is a part of me, or Jim Valvano is ringing in my ears, don't give up. Don't ever give up. It may take a miracle, but that is why we have faith. Who am I to interfere with God's process?

    I do agree it is none of the Government's business. You can't find a more private matter than this. The down side, or the dark side are the POS out there who just want Grandma's money. Doesn't somebody have to decide, or step in, to determine who is doing it for the right reason, and who is doing it for the wrong reason?
     
  31. TMT Tactical

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    Ah, that road paved with all those good intentions. When somebody else gets to make eh choice, then all kinds of motives get involved. Starts out well and then it ends up being what is most cost effective. Keep the government and insurance companies out of the decision making.
     
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  32. Mauser'sDaDa

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    My Dad and doctor both have been told '"72 hours on life support without brainwave activity"' equals pull the plug. I am saved through Jesus Christ alone and will join my Mom in Heaven in such a case.
     
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    For me it is either full life or no life. Being a vegetable is of no interest to me. Being trapped in a useless body does not interest me in the least.
     
  34. Old Geezer

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    Shouldn't play God. I've got a "no code blue" in my medical records. Had to take my daughter off life-support. Seen too many die horribly.
     
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  35. TexDanm

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    I had to let my Dad go. I forbade them to take him to the hospital and to just let him die.

    I recently came very near to death. It took 10 units of blood to keep me alive. The first 4 days were agony and if it hadn't got better I was ready to call it quits. When you get old and your body is giving up you, death starts to become a friend that eventually will take away the pain and misery. I am better now but I can feel the early cooling of fall in my bones. LOL, I prepped to the MAX for most of my life and am SET. I just didn't plan and prep for getting old.
     
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  36. Dalewick

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    Life should always be a personal choice. I have died once, when I was young and in surgery. It was at a Veterans Administration Hospital and they forgot to tell me I bleed out on the operating table. It was 2 years before I found out.
    I've come close to dying too many times now, but I have lived my life my way. My wife and kids know that under certain medical conditions, I choose death. My wife has made her wishes known to me.

    I think everyone should make up there mind before a time of choosing comes.

    Dale
     
  37. wally

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    even though i have a resusitate order for myself i figure if i am brain dead for 24 hours pull the plug....now if you mean assisted suicide i am against that...
     
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  38. Pragmatist

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    Good morning all,

    Don't forget - even if not fully dependable - to type up a "Living Will" and an end-of-life Power of Attorney.

    This euthanasia environment is part of the national scandal run by a cartel.

    Forms for living wills and power of attorney are on the web. Make more photocopies than an undocumented immigrant needs. One, reduced size of each for wallet next to national identification card (a/k/a/ driver's license) and send one with cover letter to your health care providers and pertinent others eg a veterans organization, a spiritual advisor.

    Virginia has a "DDNR" recisitate (spelling - can't look up now). DDNR= Durable Do Not Re... There is an alert bracelet for approved DDNR applicants. (It's also confusing and a little costly on purpose).

    If a participant in an organ donor program: don't worry. Physician-assisted transplants will occur. Recommend ensure your estate doesn't have to pay part of the bills for this.

    Although it's not legal in Virginia, I believe in Physician-Assisted Suicide. You know you're leaving the planet soonest. You've got a mortgage free shack and some land somewhere else. You've got a child, grandchild, If brought to hospital and non conscious, your shack and land will pay part of the bills at hospital for keeping you alive for another 4-5 days. Your dearly betrothed will be billed for the difference. ...... and there will be additional bills.

    Won't even discuss funeral arrangements .

    MAGA
     
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  39. TMT Tactical

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    I do believe assisted suicide. example of my reasoning but each person will have their reason. Elderly, diagnose stage 4 cancer. Doctors want to treat with chemo, drugs and maybe operations. It should be my choice to go out vs. having to endure all the treatments, side effect and still no guarantee I will survive and be fully functional. Why should I have to choose a messy self administered death v. an assisted clean and pain free death?
     
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