Fear Of Terrorism Preventing Travel

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  1. pacmantacman

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    I talk to a lot of people about travel and it’s interesting how many people refuse to travel to many places around the world do to the fear of terrorism.

    Your chances of being a victim of a terrorist incident is actually pretty low. I think statistically it’s been said you are more likely to be killed by a dog. You are definitely more likely to be killed or injured in a car wreck. Regardless it’s a low probability. Even lower if you take precautions and get some training on safe travel aboard.

    Yet I know a great many people who will not travel out of fear of terrorism. I think that’s totally up to the individual, however IT DOES SPEAK TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF TERRORISM at least in this context.

    I know for many Americans the fact that you are without a firearms is a major demotivating factor on top of the threat of terrorism. But generally they want the firearm, for just such terrorist incidents, and of course other criminal acts.

    I’ve greatly enjoyed overseas travel. Thoughts? Personal thoughts and your thoughts on the effectiveness of terrorism on travel?
     
  2. Sonofliberty

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    My rich uncle sent me to most of the countries I was interested in. These days, I refuse to fly due to the tsa. Let them touch someone else's ass. As for taking a cruise, I refuse to do that because they won't even allow you to edc basic survival gear. I am not talking guns, I mean survival gear. If the damned boat sinks, you are screwed. No thanks. Then there is the crime and disease endemic to cruise line travel these days. IMO, it just isn't worth. JMO, YMMV.
     
  3. lonewolf

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    I have no need to travel abroad, my world is right here.
    have you seen the queue's at the airports these days? no thanks.
     
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  4. TMT Tactical

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    Ex-military brat. I have seen enough of the world. I will confine my travels to the good old USA. Enough wonders and beauty for any lifetime and no 3rd. world problems to deal with.
     
  5. Ystranc

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    The rest of the world seems to be going to hell in a hand basket, I'm sure it can continue quite nicely without needing me to go and watch it happen.
     
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  6. TexDanm

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    Those types of statistics are misleading. The chances of a person being injured by a cow are higher than that they will be bitten by a shark in no way indicates that swimming in shark-infested water is safe. If you stay out of the water you pretty much have ZERO chance of getting bit by a shark.

    At this time I have little to no interest in touring Bagdad much less Tehran. Most of the Middle East and all of Mexico right now is pretty chancy to wander around in. There are a lot of beautiful places to go that really are about as safe as the city streets in the nice parts of most American cities. Unless I have business that requires me to go to places that are rather turbulent I don't go. When I was young that wasn't true but now I just don't get a thrill out of possible danger that I did then.

    There are just places that if you go and something happens you should be on your own. If you go to North Korea and the little fat man has you snatched you did it to yourself. The same is true of Americans that go touring in Iran or people that go into Juarez Mexico in small groups at night.

    Times change and the relationships with different countries change. Iran used to be a friendly place as was Mexico when I was young. Now it isn't true. Vietnam and Cuba used the be "enemy" states and now not so much. Judgment is variable as to how much threat is acceptable to an individual. There are parts of Chicago and Michigan that aren't much better after sundown.
     
  7. Morgan101

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    Does a fear of Terrorism prevent me from traveling? Not really. I really have no desire to go to the Middle East or anyplace where Terrorism is more prevalent. I was a road warrior for many years. Flew hundreds of thousands of miles in the U.S. and Europe. My beef isn't with the TSA, although there is no love lost there. My beef is with the airlines. Their incompetence and arrogant attitude make me refuse to fly. I feel that giving them my business perpetuates the bad attitude and poor performance.

    If I can't drive I won't go. Agree with TMT 100%. There is enough to see in this country to last a lifetime. I really don't care about going anywhere else.
     
  8. pacmantacman

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    There are those Americans who will not even travel to Europe out of fear of Terrorism, so I’m not completely talking about the Middle East.
     
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  9. Morgan101

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    I would not rule out Europe, at least not because of Terrorism. I would also not rule out Australia or New Zealand. Outside of those places I really have to think about anyplace I would want to go. Nothing comes to mind.
     
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  10. TexDanm

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    When I think of terrorism Europe and Australia don't really jump to my mind. Mostly terrorism or at least chronic active violence that might be aimed at foreigners is in the Middle East, Africa, and in the Nations in Central and South America where the drug and crime lords are running things.
     
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  11. pacmantacman

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    Paris?
     
  12. TexDanm

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    No ghetto is a place for the faint of heart and the French have allowed the riffraff to take over their Capital. Somehow that isn't surprising to me. France is supposed to be a lovely country filled with friendly people...as long as you AVOID Paris. I have heard that for Decades.
     
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  13. Morgan101

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    Paris, London, Brussels have all been targeted. Malmo Sweden is certainly no bargain. Maybe the allure of the historical things to see, and at least a perception that there is a stronger sense of Law and Order would still make me want to travel there. Again, a perception, or an opinion, I believe if something happened I would feel more secure with the London or Paris Police in charge than I would with the Mexico City or Rio De Janiero Police.
     
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  14. TexDanm

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    Now THAT is a fact. Mexico is teetering on the edge of total anarchy. Sadly, justice is in short supply in most of the Central and South American nations. As long as the US refuses to put the drug lords out of business by decriminalizing drug addiction this will continue.
     
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  15. CountryGuy

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    I wouldn't say thought of terrorisim worries me, more the BS of dealing with lines at security, TSA morons, crap attitude airport and airline employees, cramped planes and poor service. I'd go to Europe, Asia, parts of South America.

    I do have some worry as my daughter and her grandmother(MIL) are going on a French club trip towards the end of June. A few days in Paris and other stops in France, Switzerland, Germany and I think Holland? I have been trying to teach her situational awareness, especially in a restaurants, shops. markes and other open places. I've been trying to drill into her head what to do if she is somewhere and the shit breaks loose. Trying to make her understand to not follow the herd or her teachers instructions if it goes counter to what I'm teaching her. Trying to get her to understand the teachers first thought is to be a herd animal where as she needs to be willy like a pig. I've tried to get her to understand that an initial incident could just be a funnel into additional kill zones, trying to teach her difference between cover and concealment and how to get out of the middle and to the edges of a group or area. So though I can't be there and I can't pack her off with a 1911, I can try to give her knowledge.

    To me it's not to live in fear but it's to be prepared. To not do something or go somewhere out of fear is for those Muslim goat fuckers to succeed. So no I live my life. But that also means don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things...
     
  16. TexDanm

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    This isn't really about fear as I see it. It is about common sense and how much risk an individual is comfortable with. When I was young I had very little of the first and was all too comfortable with the second.
     
  17. pacmantacman

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    Countryguy is she receptive to the training?
     
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      She has been. I think she thought I was being a little over the top till we watched those idiots in the yellow vests in Paris rioting. Plus the terror attacks various places especially Notre Dame and the Easter Sunday massacre. Again I told her I'm not trying to scare her, I'm trying to inform her and help her to understand what could happen and what she needs to think about and what she needs to do if something goes sideways. I also told her if she goes somewhere and she gets a gut feeling like something isn't right, just leave where they are. But yes I think she is listening. Her Grandmother (my MIL), not so much, but I'd be OK if terrorists took her hostage... lol
       
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  18. Pragmatist

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    Nomad Will: ...

    It's not a function of geography but of risk aspects.

    A rude "Here's your Turkish coffee" in a Tunisian cafe has a safer environment that large areas of the wards (districts) of Washington, D.C. Asian airports, to include the new "stan" states are as safe as North American airports.

    A major acid-test to determine safety levels overseas: Check the insurance availability and rates. If insurance is not available for a trip to the holy city of Qom, Iran, consider the place not safe. If Atlantic Alliance airlines offer routine service on a route, it indicates the route and terminals are relatively safe.

    Meanwhile, West Garfield Park, Chicago, USA is not safer than the 3 Central American republics where our new citizens are arriving from.

    How's the fatal disease rates faring within a 10 mile radius of Candlestick Park, California ?
     
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  19. TexDanm

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    I have NO intention of going to Chicago or DC and California is very iffy for me. Anyplace where the primary purpose of the police and the laws is to protect the criminals by making sure that the honest people can't, won't and don't defend themselves is a no go for me. The death rate for young men 18 to 25 that were living in Washington DC was worse than the death rate of the same age group fighting in Iraq during Desert Storm.
     
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  20. Sonofliberty

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    QFT! Don't forget New Jersey on that list either.
     
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  21. Morgan101

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    Country Guy: I would be very careful in Paris, and maybe in Germany. It would depend on the area. Switzerland and the Netherlands should be fine. I always found them to be beautiful, friendly people. I never worried about my MIL either. We always figured if she was ever taken it would only take about five minutes, and they would bring her back. :eek:

    SOL: I can't rule out Jersey. My daughter lives there. I spent a lot of time in the area; New York and New Jersey both. Have a lot of family back there. Maybe it is a familiarity; knowing where to go and where not to go. I have never felt unsafe back there, ever.
     
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  22. DeanB

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    I have traveled extensively in the USA. Of course having spent 20 yrs in the Corps of which I was deployed a little over 10 yrs to various countries, I just don't consider terrorism a big issue to worry about. But I don't think I will be visiting Middle Eastern countries either and I have been to Israel and other countries in that area in peace time and otherwise. Last year I traveled for 17 days in Europe. This year I am going to spend a couple of weeks in the Virgin Islands, but I am waiting until September for that. I try to get the the Virgin Islands at least once a year. Hawaii is okay too. So are the Scandinavian counties, the only place I have been where I felt uncomfortable is Turkey. Bottom line, travel if you get the chance, otherwise terrorist win!
     
  23. LastOutlaw

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    I live way out in the country. I was raised traveling all over the world. That was then, this is now. TSA, people in general keep me home now. Since I have become awoken I don't really care to travel anywhere even in the US because if SHTF I know it will happen when I am off at Disney World 1800 miles from home considering my luck. While I dont stay locked in my home I do feel uncomfortable if I am more than a days drive from home. I have to say though that other than the middle east countries all of europe seems a lot safer than lets say, Mexico. I think today you can be targeted in many countries including the US for simply being American, white, Christian, anglo saxon whatever.

    Illnesses:
    Living in the country and homeschooling the kiddo has pretty much wiped out any illnesses we have in our home. There hasn't been one cold or flu in this household for over 4 years. Then the kiddo hurt her ankle and had to go to the DR. They came home and said "everyone there was either sniffling or coughing." Within one week we all had a bad cold.

    Just stay home and visit the world through the Internet. It is safer and cheaper! Make your own lei if it makes you feel better.
     
  24. Bishop

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    I am get ready in a couple of weeks to go over seas again and if your vigilant you have a better chance of not having problems I travel all over the us in some really shady spots and don't have any problems
     
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