Firearms Information For New Owners

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  1. Old Geezer

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    Paul Harrell is a super well-known online video firearms instructor. I have never seen inaccurate information presented by him and I know shooting. Between Harrell and me, I trust him.

    If you are new to firearms ownership, please take time to watch the following videos. In addition to these videos, you MUST learn firearms safety. Most "experts" are wind-bags. I've been out to rifle ranges hundreds and hundreds of times and these ranges have been in multiple states of the USA. When there, I have witnessed the most horrific instances of DANGEROUS behaviors committed by idiots with smiles on their faces. DO NOT BE ONE OF THEM -- DO NOT BECOME A STATISTIC. My training with firearms was early and massively strict. Many of you were not raised in a world awash with firearms, therefore you must seek training.

    Watching instructional videos is a beginning. Paul Harrell speaks slowly and distinctly -- there is great wisdom in his doing so (not just that he has a speech defect). Listen and watch with singular attention. All that you have seen on television and in the movies is pretty much ALL CRAP -- I cringe at what I see therein.

    Note from the get-go, that Paul is well past being just an expert shot, plus his hands and arms are those of a lumberjack. "Oh look how easy that is!" No it isn't. As a beginner, you will feel as though you will never become proficient. Yes you will.

    Top Ten Tips for Pandemic Gun Buyers (Part 1)



    Top Ten Tips for Pandemic Gun Buyers (Part 2)




    Paul's Top Five Guns for Home Defense.



    Paul's Top 5 Handguns for Beginners



    Introduction to Shotguns.



    Loading and Shooting a Pump Action Shotgun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDnyRXF_0Ck
     
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      Paul is one of my favorite YouTube channels. No B.S., just the facts. Same as Dragnet.
       
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  2. Old Geezer

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    Firearm safety





     
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    Sighting in a scoped center-fire rifle (example, a deer rifle)

    First, bore-sight the scoped rifle:





    Sighting-in out at the rifle range:





    Note that most deer hunters sight their rifles in at 100 yrds, however they often sight the rifle to shoot too high, 2 inches high at 100 yrds. Why sight the rifle too high?! The reason is that many center-fire rifles when sighted 2" high at 100 yrds (100 meters-ish), the rifle now strikes dead-on at 200 yards, and will be around 6" to 8" low at 300. If you sight-in at 200 yrds, then move the target back to 100, you'll be shooting 2" or so high there at 100. Sighting for 200 yrds enables one to keep the same scope settings, yet put you very close to point of aim from 50 yrds on out to 300 yrds.



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    The next article is about shooting at distance, at hundreds of yards. This starts getting technical. Note that at distance, you begin to have to worry about wind pushing the bullet's trajectory off from where you aiming. A wind coming in from your left will push a bullet to the right of target. A ten or twenty mph wind can push the bullet off-target more than you would think.

    https://www.returnofkings.com/106923/weapon-ballistics-how-to-make-a-shot-at-long-range

    https://thearmsguide.com/5322/exter...f-a-bullet-horizontal-plane-4-theory-section/

    https://www.gunwerks.com/blog/long-...ts-of-wind-on-bullet-and-cartridge-choices-76

    These links are one's I thought were instructive. These may come across to you as confusing. Having looked at these, go out and learn more. If you hear someone recommend some shooter as an "Expert", smile and nod your head. You may find that the "expert" is an idiot who imagines himself to be some gun guru. In the end, the proof is in the pudding. You want your rifle/scope combo to hit to point of aim at 200 yrds, then get out to the range and make sure that such is true. Once you find an ammunition type that is consistent (shoots a tight group) stick with it. Some ammunition, though expensive, may very well not shoot a tight pattern out of your rifle. Rifles can be picky about the ammo they like.

    I could speak for hours/days about this topic, however this format is this format. Consider this posting a Reader's Digest post, as it were. This is anything but thorough. Begin with this, but learn a lot more.
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    Handgun power vs. deer rifle power. Deer rifles firing hunting ammunition are FAR more lethal than military rifles firing military ammunition (FMJ, full metal jacket). "Assault rifles" are NOT as lethal as deer hunting rifles.

    9mm handgun vs water jugs:


    .45 auto and .357 revolver vs water jugs:


    .308 Rifle vs water jugs:


    Note that center-fire rifles vaporize water jugs. Water jugs are not a valid medium to test energy levels of deer rifles.

    Let's try cinder blocks:



    Deer hunting loads blow-up cinder blocks in addition to dropping deer.
     
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    The continuing oppression of cinder blocks

    Shotgun slug vs 45-70 (rifle cartridge popular in the latter 1800s)

     
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    Paul Harrell is fountain of information. Love his dead pan humor.
     
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    Small business owners have been successfully protecting their life's work with shotguns.



    Sometimes if the invaders come in overwhelming numbers, it takes a semi-auto rifle

     
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    I have watched many Paul Harrell videos, and I would concur with his expert opinions. His tests are always very thorough, and he answers all the FAQ's.
     
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    I've had a guy come to my door at 3am and say that his car was broken down. I made a call to a person he said could help him -- a drunk woman answered the phone ... too drunk to talk. I had a shotgun. I told him that I'd call the police, told him it would be cold day in Hades before I'd let him in. I do not know if he heard me rack the slide on my shotgun. He got back in his "disabled" car and drove off. Had he kicked the door, I'd have shot him multiple times with buckshot loads (I take the shell count restrictor rod out of my pump shotguns' magazine tubes to have more shells on the ready).

    Home invasions, here's some advice:



    http://saferesidence.com/5-common-home-invasion-tactics/

    Some home invaders are waiting on you when you get to your home. This is where concealed carry can save your life. I know of two home invasions happening in the Midwest a few years back. The two invasions happened in the suburbs of a larger city. Inner city gangs come out to predate in the 'burbs. Both invasions happened when the women opened their garage doors. Both invasions involved a mother and daughter. In one invasion, both mother and daughter were robbed and raped after taking the one of the assailants to get money out of an ATM machine. In the other invasion, the mother and daughter were raped, then gruesomely murdered.

    If you have a concealed carry permit, as you enter your home, do NOT assume that all is well. The house may not look disturbed, but really, do you know that? Make sure that it is. With your weapon in hand, pointing it in a safe direction (and NOT panicking!), you can announce that, "I am home and I have my loaded gun; is anyone at home?" All family members must know the phrase and the routine, "I'm upstairs mom and I am OK; red pocket book." What's with the "red pocket book"? That is your safety phrase. That is your key to unlocking: OK, she really is fine. Pick a safety phrase. Don't have anyone say something strange when things are not OK -- the burglar could be alerted.

    So, now you are at the entrance of your home and nobody answers you. Do NOT move around in your home and remain totally silent. Any strange sounds, you head back OUT of your house. NEVER confront a burglar. Call the cops. Once upon a time, burglars would be getting out'a there and quickly so! Give a burglar an exit route. Nowadays, thieves are FAR more aggressive and many are on multiple drugs plus alcohol. You cannot talk to these "people"; they are not anything near rational.

    Proceed into your home with your weapon close to your body. This is why I have a dog at home and an electronic security system. Has the security system gone into alarm mode? Is your territorial dog acting strange? Again, anything wrong, go back outside and call for help. If you are armed, YOU MUST TELL THE DISPATCHER THAT YOU HAVE A FIREARM. If law enforcement tells you to hit the ground, do so -- they sure do NOT know that you are the owner of the home. When you see the patrol car rolling up, get that weapon away from you. Show your hands and keep them away from your body. Again, the cops do not know you.
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    I'd have to say it would depend on what you intended to use it for and where you lived. A shotgun is on my "wish" list.

    Firearms training in Australia is mandatory and relatively strict. Well, in NSW anyway. I don't have any experience with other states but presume they are all much of a muchness.
     
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    The only thing that is mandatory is a safety course any thing else is match specific.
    Actually any firearm training not for a match or safety is illegal in Aus unless it is for work police security military etc

    A shotgun can be bought for less than $200 in Aus and a 250rd carton of ammo is around $100
     
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    Clearing the house of possible intruders.

    First, should you be coming home, then detect that "things are really not right", stay out'a the house and call the cops. If you are at home and someone kicks the front/back door or smashes through a window or sliding glass door (sliding glass doors offer you zero security; ground level windows open you up to attack), then you should gather family into a safe room and lock yourselves therein. If an intruder starts kicking that door, shoot through the wall or door.

    Unfortunately, sometimes circumstances demand that you clear your home. You've got a kid on the far side of the house from you -- you gotta make sure the child is OK. What to do? So here is one video. Look for other videos. Never rely on one source.



    Never let an intruder approach you. Never seen this person? You have a restraining order on this aggressor? You know them from work, but they sure shouldn't be here and are acting crazy/bizarre? Show no mercy. "You will leave or you will be shot." Or they come straight for you, shoot them until they are incapacitated. If this bothers you, do not purchase a firearm for home defense.
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    Heeeeeeee's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuhhhhk! Paul Harrell.

    Is birdshot adequate for home defense? Paul sez ...............


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    There is a bunch of what I call "gimmick ammunition" that has all manner of self-promotion, but which is over-worthlessness made manifest. Here is but one example.

    Underwood"Xtreme Penetrator" Ammo Reviews






    Hope these videos are instructive for you.
     
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    So, .22 shorts, how cute! Dangerous? Yes. Ammo is ammo. Use as much caution around lighter loadings as with an elephant rifle. Dead is dead.

    I'm loving the first video due to the ammo being over 60 years of age. Old ammo still kills. True for old humans also.

    Notice how quiet is the report of these little pills.





    Lessons:
    > Respect ammunition power; even in the lightest loadings, these puppies will kill. Danger, Will Robinson.
    > Old ammunition can go bad, but don't count on it. "This old ammo can't be good anymore." Wrong! Again, ammo is ammo -- treat all ammunition as if it will fire. I'm NOT telling anybody to use old ammunition; HOWEVER, do not ever expect an old cartridge to be a dud. (I've got a story that I'll not share right now.)
     
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    I am extremely biased in favor of the .22 magnum as an effective short-range varmint round. Therefore don't point and laugh at me. Here I am yet again sharing .22 mag. terminal ballistics. I'm just the happy village idiot. :confused: It will shred small game -- do NOT use the .22 mag on on rabbits nor squirrels = destroys the meat / they splat (icky mess, I've done it, yuck).







    Notice that the .22 magnum semi-auto handgun had virtually no recoil. This means very rapid follow-up shots.

    Here is a video comparing 22lr vs 17hmr vs 22mag vs 5.7x28mm against a concrete block.



    The .22 mag out of a NAA mini-revolver:


    For self-defense, the .22 mag is no match for a 9mm +P hollow point; however, it does plenty enough m
    eat damage to kill critters under 80 lbs. like fox, feral dogs, small pigs. Post-SHTF era, feral dogs are going to be nasty issue; truth be told, they already are. If in the woods and need a quick kill on an attacking dog, you need a +P 9mm round; or better yet, a .45 Auto. Post SHTF, packs of wild dogs will have to be eradicated, so a .22 mag. rifle will aid in that endeavor. Compared to centerfire ammo, the .22 mag is cheaper and FAR less loud.

    Here's another test video comparing handgun cartridges:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWwdksECP40
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    Ammunition tests for the .38 special revolver

    Test with standard velocity hollow points out of a snub nose revolver:



    Eighteen different varieties of ammo tested for the .38 special:



    The old tried'n'true .38 special full wadcutters in action (spoiler, they don't expand):



    Handguns with 4" barrels 9mm +P ammo compared with .38 Special +P ammo



    Handguns with short barrels, 9mm +P ammo compared with .38 Special +P ammo



    The 9mm does not need much barrel length to come up to speed. I have a very short-barrelled "chopped" 9mm and a friend of mine and I chronographed some lightweight bullets (90 gr.) and they booked out'a there at just under 1400 fps. You'll need moon clips to hold the case-heads, but snub-nosed 9mm revolvers -- yes, there ARE revolvers made for the 9mm Auto -- are just great. The 9mm in a snubby revolver beats the dickens out of the .38 Special. Shooting the .357 Mag out of a snub-nose is an unpleasant adventure in shutting down your hearing. There is .357 Mag ammo designed for short-barrelled revolvers; however, I'll let someone else go with that concept. Muzzle blast in the dark = you blind yourself and deafen yourself. A .357 revolver should have a 4" barrel on it -- I've run boatloads of .357 thru 4" and 6" barrel revolvers and these are not abusive. They recoil, but they do not bust your hand nor blind you (loud, yes, very, but not killer like the 2" barrel -- I've felt pressure go up my nose with the 2" barrel, nasty, don't do it; 110 gr, low powder load, maybe, still ...).
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    I found some articles that may be of further help in the realm of home defense. The articles are written by a law enforcement officer who has investigated many, many cases. The articles are specific to the topic of home invasion and I hope that these will be of use to those visiting our forum.

    https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/prevent-home-invasion/

    https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/responding-home-invasion/

    About the author, Spencer Blue:
    https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/author/spencerblue/

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    I have found the following site a source of useful information. Use the Search function on this site to look for specific information you wish to access.

    https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/
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    Here is a 30-minute video titled How to Use a Pump Action Shotgun. This is a "basics" class.

    https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/how-to-use-a-pump-action-shotgun/

    Reloading the defense shotgun while it is still being utilized in a defensive encounter:

    https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/reload-defensive-shotgun/

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    Birdshot may not be your best defensive load. Buckshot may just be the best. Know that there are different pellet diameters with buckshot just as is the case with birdshot.

    https://www.guns.com/news/review/birdshot-vs-buckshot-why-birdshot-is-never-better-for-home-defense

    "So what is the 'happy medium' defense shell? I recommend going with the lighter loads of buckshot, #4 buckshot in a 12 gauge, #3 buckshot for 20 gauge etc. These loads don’t have quite the power of 00 buckshot, but you won’t have to worry about the hundreds of pellets of a birdshot load. Pattern them appropriately, and I think you will be surprised at why you might have ever considered anything else."

    The largest sized buckshot pellets, 00 (there is even 000 buck and for the 10 gauge, 0000 buck) can over-penetrate inside a home, thus smaller buckshot sizes that penetrate leather coats and on into the felon invader. Buckshot in smaller diameters such as #4 buck and #3 buck (NOT #4 birdshot!) will give up much of their energy by passing through a wall and thus not be so lethal as the larger heavier 00 buckshot which will pass through drywall like a hot knife through butter.

    Should you go with the 20 gauge for home defense, you are in no way underserved. The 20 is over .60 caliber and has more energy than the .44 magnum at a range of "here-to-there". Make no mistake, the 20-gauge DOES have recoil -- especially if the shotgun is lightweight.

    Anyone who makes the statement, "The 20-ga is a woman's gun," is being disparaging towards women AND is making a technical error. Many men, myself included, favor the 20 gauge for most work. Going boar hunting, going for BIG THICK HEAVY hogs, then take a 12 gauge. Have to live in bear country, always have a 12 gauge handy. Huge hogs and mean bears are monsters with supernatural powers. Otherwise, a 20 gauge will cover most situations in the realm of defense and hunting (the 3" magnum 20 gauge covers what the 16 ga. used to cover, i.e. duck and geese).
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    AR-15 rifle basics; disassembly & reassembly for cleaning



    Specifics on cleaning the AR-15

     
  20. Old Geezer

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    See above post for assembly/reassembly of the AR-15

    Sighting-in, "zeroing", an open-sight AR-15



    The following fellow uses the word "gun" when referring to his weapon, his rifle. Do not call your rifle a "gun". A gun is a piece of artillery.



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    New gun owners, set aside some of the ammo you have for training. If you cannot train with your primary weapon, train with .22 ammunition which is much cheaper. Rent a firearm at the range or ask friends who are shooters to take you to the range. I've been seeing some .22 ammo on the shelves. Also, many folk have been putting back thousands of rounds of ammunition (much of it .22 ammo for practice) and they may sell you some of that-- will likely cost you, but practice is necessary.



     
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    Hey, listen, if you want to purchase a firearm or firearms for home defense, you do NOT have to go high-tech. Firearms technology that is well over 100 years old will put you in good stead.

     
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    I am interested in the Henry X model in 44 mag. I will order mine with a scope rail. One of the local Range Masters just got the 357 model but the iron sights from the factory were way out of alignment and the Range Master was not able to correct them due to the installation design. He is going to get scope mounts for his rifle now. I think the side gate loading lever action rifles are the next best thing to having a semi-automatic rifle. I dislike the tube fed rifles, as I really do not like my face that close to the business end of a firearm.
     
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    "Brazilian President Tells Supporters 'Buy A Gun, Damn It' Amid Impending Chaos"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political...supports-buy-gun-damn-it-amid-impending-chaos

    Article quotes in color blue:

    Why on Earth would Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro tell supporters on Friday that "everyone should buy a rifle"? Is the unstable South American emerging economy, suffering from the virus pandemic, rapid food inflation, and out-of-control poverty about to stumble into further socio-economic chaos?

    "Everybody has to buy a rifle, damn it! The armed people will never be enslaved. I know it costs a lot. An idiot says: 'Ah, what you have to buy is beans,' if you don't want to, don't buy the rifle, but do not come to disturb whoever wants to buy it," Bolsonaro told reporters.

    Both murders and killings are on the rise in the country, exacerbated by the virus pandemic. A socio-economic economic collapse could be in the making.

    Brazilian Real has lost half its value in the past decade. The decline accelerated during the virus pandemic.

    While the currency is collapsing, food prices in the country are hyperinflating. Recall what everyone's favorite permabear, SocGen's Albert Edwards said in late 2020 that rising food prices will trigger social chaos in emerging market economies first.

    The country's economy is spiraling out of control as Bolsonaro has already threatened to reject the 2022 presidential election's outcome because he claims it will be rigged.

    Bolsonaro promised supporters he would ease gun laws and that's what he's done since 2019. The president appears to be preparing supporters for further impending socio-economic chaos or political crisis.
     
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    Continuing from above article about Brazil, let's look at some solid common sense recommendations concerning the purchase of firearms. Let me make a point of stating that what with new firearms being priced so ridiculously high, you should seriously consider buying a used firearm. If buying a firearm from a friend, take the firearm out to the range to see how it feels and fires for you. No two humans are the same -- not even identical twins. If buying military surplus, have the weapon checked-out by a knowledgeable gunsmith, not somebody who claims to be some "firearms expert" or your cousin Ricky (who got out of jail last month).

    What with ammunition shortages being what they are. Make sure you can purchase ammunition for the firearm before you buy the firearm. We folk here on a prepper site, have already ammo put back and if trading for another firearm will only get a toy that fires ammo we have put-back in a home safe. Silly me, I've got some ammo for which I currently have no rifle that fires it (traded an 8mm Mauser for another "rifle of my dreams"; super-accurate .308).

    https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/choosing-a-home-defense-gun-1/

    I like the following quotes:

    "Movies and television shows have glamorized pistol grip only shotguns. None of the professional instructors I’ve worked with recommend this configuration for home protection. Removing the shoulder stock makes a shotgun shorter and easier to move with, but they are not practical defensive tools since they’re nearly impossible to aim properly. Leave the pistol grip only shotguns to the SWAT teams for breeching doorways, and install a traditional or six-position stock on yours."

    "Another good choice for home defense is a pistol-caliber carbine. Compact lever-action rifles, chambered for revolver cartridges like .357 Mag. and .45 Colt, have been protecting people’s interests for quite some time. Lever guns usually hold several rounds in their magazines but fresh cartridges have to be loaded one at a time, much like a shotgun. Some manufacturers offer semi-auto carbines that accept handgun magazines in popular defensive pistol calibers. These rifles can offer ammunition and magazine compatibility with a handgun you already own, and the longer barrels increase the velocity of the load."

    "... The other drawback to tactical rifles is the high price tag. In some cases, you can buy two or three defensive shotguns for the price of one tactical rifle."

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    What to look for when purchasing a shotgun







    The 20 gauge shotgun is adequate for home defense. You may not find the ammo selection variety seen with the 12 ga; however, 20 gauge buckshot is mighty lethal on heavy creatures at close ranges (#3 buckshot, #2 buckshot in 3" mag shells; remember, there is #2 birdshot which is for geese, then there is #2 buckshot for close-in / tree stand deer hunting and for home defense). The energy level of a load of buckshot out of a 20 gauge shotgun at short range exceeds the energy level of a .44 magnum handgun, so don't let people tell you it is not lethal.

    Close-in / 10 feet, even birdshot out of a 20 gauge has FAR more than enough energy to injure or kill a human being. Does the 12-gauge have more power and more lead to deliver, oh yes, it sure does. However the 12 gauge has more recoil. If shooting a lightweight 20 gauge, know that the 20 gauge can have some serious recoil. Semi-automatic shotguns have less recoil than other shotguns because part of the shell's energy is used to cycle the action of the firearm to load the next shell.

    My home defense shotgun is a 20 gauge with 3" magnum loads of #2 buckshot. I keep some slugs ready should I have to shoot through a wall or other special/rare situation. Slugs out of a 20 gauge are profoundly lethal, but guess what, they over-penetrate. You don't want something that will go through a charging aggressive felon, then through a wall, and into the bedroom where one of your loved ones happens to be. Slugs can even go through the exterior walls of a frame house -- keep that in mind.




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    Budget pistol caliber carbine = The 10 mm Hipoint carbine. It is butt ugly but extremely reliable and very potent. It is also available in 9mm, 40 S&W and 45acp. Mag fed (ugly looking mag). They start around $320 and creep up as you pick out special colors and extra features.

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    Was in a gun shop a couple of weeks back and some 9mm and .45 Auto ammo was getting back on the shelves 98% of it being FMJ. But I'd noticed before that 10mm was not sold out all the time as was 9mm and .45 Auto. I also noted that .357 SIG stayed on the shelves due to there not being lots of folk who had handguns chambered for that round.

    The Aero Survival Rifle comes all manner of calibers, to include the .357 SIG. I found the following info on this weapon. I didn't know anything about it until I went searching for rifle carbines that were chambered for the .357 SIG

    https://blog.gunassociation.org/aero-survival-rifle/


    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Aero+Survival+Rifle&atb=v140-1&iax=images&ia=images

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    I like carbines. I like handy. I don't like overkill.

    The .40 S&W seems like a winner. I do not own a 40 and have never even fired one, so I sure can't go "expert" on that topic.

    In .40 S&W, looks like a carbine will buy you around 200 fps over a handgun barrel length:

    http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/40sw.html

    This is a handy reference site: Ballistics by the Inch

    Post SHTF, urban dwellers who fail to get out of dangerous urban areas could find themselves surrounded by bad guys. Bad enough if you are in a house, but what if your vehicle is surrounded by hoodlums! Beyond bad news! To have any chance of surviving, one better have a semi-auto very efficient weapon plus LOTS of ammunition in very high capacity magazines.

    Americans have witnessed videos of rioters surrounding trucks ... sometimes hauling the driver out of the truck to beat him. Reginald Denny was almost beaten to death; he was left with permanent brain injuries (his skull was basically pulverized -- total miracle that he lived). Southern truck drivers that I've known carry serious weaponry, legal or illegal -- "Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six." I think a carbine would help keep you breathing in a SHTF situation. (Knew one fellow who saved his buddy's life and his own by having a .44 mag revolver in his truck cab. Things like this rarely get reported to the authorities. Usually, people just "take care of matters.") Three days ago, I overheard two truckers talking at a fuel station (here in the South) and one of them had to make deliveries into the Bronx, NY. The other fellow commiserated with him. I said a silent prayer for him.



     
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    Another budget carbine is the keltec Sub2000. I own this carbine but would not recommend it unless you like to tinker with firearms. It has a horrible factory trigger pull, 9 pounds plus. The narrow hard plastic butt stock will make your shoulder talk to you if you plan on an extended range visit. I own this carbine in the 9 mm version and had to change out trigger springs (more than one) system and also installed a rubber butt pad. It does shoot well (after the trigger job) and the rubber butt pad does allow me to shoot several hundred rounds without scheduling a visit to my orthopedic doctor. The big claim to fame is it's ability to fold in halve for easy transportation or storage. My carbine uses Glock mags so that is another plus.
     
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    Note to new owners of firearms. In the news this week, an actor/producer (Alec Baldwin) shot dead the movie's cinematographer. Super big headline news story.

    I mean no insult. Really, I don't. But, let us clear things up with a graphic:

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      Having a history of shooting for accuracy (competition crap), I find the following controversial. HOWEVER, when fighting for your life and for the lives of your mates, first and foremost you must engage the enemy. Precision, quite frankly, is out the window. You are now in the middle of live vs. death. So ....

       
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