Goats

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  1. Tom Williams

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    People belive goats are easy to raise lol this is far from true they require very define diets when raiseing them for milk or meat lb for lb a goat eats and needs more feed than a cow fence for goats must be strong and well mantained and they still will get out male goats are dangerous tho small the can put a hurtin on you quick and easy when in rut this is 2x more true as they want and protect the does more.
     
  2. poltiregist

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    Tom your observation on the goats is valid but I consider my milk goat a huge asset to my survival possibilities . Not all goats are wild and dangerous . My nanny goat is as gentle and tame as a pet dog . My billy was raised in a big field until he was about 9 months old and is a little wilder .It seems to me how wild a goat is depends on how it was raised . My Nubian nanny goat at highest production gives about three quarters of a gallon per day of cream rich milk . IT would relish most green leaves I might feed it and will simply survive on stuff a cow wouldn't . In an apocalyptic situation going to the feed store or running motorized farm equipment may not be possible . I consider my goats so valuable in such a situation that I would definitely consider sleeping close to them to keep them from being stolen .
     
  3. lonewolf

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    I love goat meat.
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    ... and they do stink.
     
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  5. lonewolf

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    not if their cooked well!!!:p
     
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  6. poltiregist

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    only because it could have a serious ramification for some-ones survival I will say , my neighbors dogs smell worse than my goats . I know goats have a reputation of smelling bad , and I haven't been around that many goats ,but mine doesn't have a noticeable odor . Now I did put my pen fairly close to my home so I could keep a close tab on them in case of an apocalyptic situation . The pen itself will put off an odor on warm days ,due to excrement .
     
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  7. Ystranc

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    I also keep a little livestock and one of my neighbours keeps goats. These goats seem gentle enough and are much less aggressive than my rams. I think it very much depends on what breed you choose to raise and how much early interaction you have with them. Most of my stock has been bucket trained, even when I kept beef bullocks...its just easier to lead animals then it is to drive them.
    The only thing that freaks me out a little about goats is the way some of the young kidds bleat, it sounds almost human in the distance.
     
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  8. TexDanm

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    Goats around here are as common as hogs as far as domestic livestock. Mexicans are big on goats and chickens. The male of most species is a bit of a problem at times unless you get on top of them and stay there. A boar hog will eat you up if you don't handle them right and a Longhorn bull can be a pill at times. A tom turkey is a monster at times and a Gander will attack a bull. I personally have never met an animal that I can't teach manners to with a bull whip or a hotshot. Goats can provide you with so much. Meat, milk and even wool in some species they are the perfect size for a world where you don't have freezers for storing large quantities of meat. Big animals always provide more meat for the amount of feed but the smaller species are sort of meal sized and usually breed faster and reach eatable size faster.

    Goats are great eating. You can get cabrito in most of the Mexican restaurants here and it is available in stores. What we don't have here is sheep. I have never eaten a sheep in my life. I think that it may be too hot here for them to do well.
     
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  9. poltiregist

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    I brought in 3 new born baby Nubian goats inside the my house for tonight , the temperature is going to be in the teens tonight . They are enjoying the wood heater after a cold day outside .They love to be cuddled in a lap and be petted . One day I will probably sell them for some ones survival milk goat . I would keep them for myself if I wasn't concerned about inbreeding .
     
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  10. poltiregist

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    If shtf today I would have the resource of three quarter gallons of milk per day . By retaining my two new born female goats I could bring milk production up to about two gallons per day in about eighteen months .
     
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  11. lonewolf

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    if there anything like cows they have to be nursing to give milk, so once the youngster is off the teat she would have to be reintroduced to the billy, I take it you have a billy?
     
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  12. poltiregist

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    I have full blooded and registered Nubian buck . The milk from Nubians is cream rich and I suppose high calorie making this tasty milk ideal from a preppers standpoint .if the milk is watered down to 1 part milk to 1 part water it tastes more like cow milk but is still a little richer than store bought cow milk .
     
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  13. TexDanm

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    With cattle you eat the calves and milk the cows. You have to let them dry up after a while but then you re-breed them and repeat the process. You can milk them for about 10 months and then let them dry up. They will be ready to calve again after about 4 months. Don't know about goats but I'm sure they have a similar schedule.

    Little goats are excellent eating. when you have all the milk you need coming you let the little goats live longer and maybe some of the females grow up. The nice thing about all that milk is that you can make so many great things with it. I picked up some goat milk lye sap this week end. It is great stuff and gentle on dry skin. The goat cheeses are great too and store well. Goats can provide a huge number of calories to you with very little effort. Even a full grown goat isn't to big to process and eat even in the summer.

    The right kind of goat will clothe you with its wool and leather, feed you with meat and milk and the can make good early warning systems. I've even dealt with a couple of Billy Goats that were good protection. They are territorial as heck and unlike sheep they are fighters. Coyotes don't make a lot of headway with them. They will fight as a group. I think it is that thy are less domesticated than sheep and have not been bred into such a narrow type like sheep. My neighbors run goats and those goats protect the chickens from foxes, raccoons and coyotes.

    The biggest problem with goats is that little goats are so sweet and cute that you have to work hard not to get too attached to them. I never had that problem with chickens or pigs and only one time with a dairy bull that I bottle raised. I still ate him though.
     
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  14. lonewolf

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    i do like goat meat and we now have a regular supplier locally.
     
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  15. Duncan

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    One of the reasons we moved to a rural area was to raise goats and chickens. We've finished building the coop and the goat-shed, and we were called two days ago from a breeder in Pocatello that two of her does had given birth, and "our" two Nigerian Dwarf doelings will be ready for us in seven weeks. Our other supplier (250 miles the other direction in Boise) called us the week before and says that three other goats (doeling and two wethers, all Boers) will be ready at about the same time.

    This'll be our first experience with goats. We'll keep you all informed....
     
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  16. Bishop

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    Fried goat cheese on a boneless greid chicken breast with pepper jelly on a butter milk biscuit
     
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  17. poltiregist

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    Before its time to milk your goat you may want to consider purchasing a non electrical or non battery powered hand milker .With a hundred percent manuel vacuum pump milker you know you can milk your goat during the apocalyptic . I have milked cows with nothing but my hands but a goat is built differently . You can buy a manual milker for about thirty dollars on EBAY . I probably just never discovered the correct technique to milk a goat with nothing but my hands . Perhaps the person you are buying your milk goats from can tell you something on hand milking that I don't know . I do know the vacuum hand pumps work great .
     
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  18. Snyper

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    There are lots of sheep in Texas.
    The most common are Dorpers, Katahdins, and Black Bellied Barbados breeds.
    They are "hair sheep" that don't produce wool and are raised only for the meat.
    Dorper:
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    Katahdin:
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    Black Bellied:
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  19. TexDanm

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    A always thought those were goats of some sort. Possibly people here call them goats to avoid the being associated with sheep farmers.
     
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  20. Snyper

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    Possibly people call them that because they don't know the difference and just make assumptions. ;)
     
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  21. poltiregist

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    With the Corona Virus rampaging with no end in sight we have made our trips out of our survival retreat to about one or two trips per month . Even then it really is not necessary , but it is good to get out once in a while and pick up some item as more of a want than a need . Meanwhile we have found out goat milk makes some of the best biscuits you will likely ever eat . Home made goat milk soap is something that is far and beyond the mass factory made soap . So far my favorite soap recipe is a goat milk and honey mix . I never want to go back to the mass factory made soap . My doe goat is due to give birth in a little over a week . Hopefully she will have a nice female kid as with the global economic collapse looming we are looking to increase our herd this year instead of selling them .
     
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  22. Duncan

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    Sixteen months since my last goat post and, boy, have we learned a lot!
    • Dawn and I picked up our two Nigerian kids: Mr. Tumnus (wether) and Lucy (doeling) at two weeks old. The same week, we got two miniature silkies ("fainting" goats): Darwin (wether) and Tamara (doeling). We bottle-fed them all (3X/day, gradually tapering off to about three months where they were completely weaned). Bottle-feeding those little boogers can be a real PITA, but you really get a strong bond (both ways).
    • They love to climb, and, although they haven't tried to escape the fence, we brought them some used tires to climb on. Fun to watch. Once they were weaned, we'd go out on two-mile walks into a couple of vacant 40-acre lots. Leila-the-dog, Dawn, all the goats, and me like a parade. No leash, and they never strayed (but stopped to nibble).
    • Trimming hooves is a real pain, and you need to do it every 4-6 weeks. Also worming them, giving them their various shots and vaccines, etc.
    • We bred Lucy to a buck in Boise when she reached 40 lb and was in heat. Swelled up like a little four-legged ball and had her twins on Good Friday, right on time. Buckling and doeling, both healthy, but Lucy didn't know how to feed and wasn't interested, despite our best attempts. Finally we had to milk her to get the colostrum for the kids, and bottle fed them after that, both with Lucy hand-milked and supplemented with dairy milk.
    • Now we have seven (we picked up another Nigerian doe about eight months ago). Great pets -- we love them dearly -- but, given the trouble and expense, I don't think it'd be cost-effective to plan on raising goats is a survival situation. We already have several of the local folks buying the kids for their children's 4-H or FFA projects.
    • Chickens are the best approach for us. Right now we have various layers for our eggs and a half-dozen Cornish Crosses at a time for meat. If TSHTF, we have plenty neighbors who would gladly cut us in on a steer or pig syndicate (a quarter of the animal each); or would trade other meat for fruit, veggies, and eggs, all of which we have enough of.
     
  23. TMT Tactical

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    Duncan, thanks for the goat update. As a youngster, I did get to experience bottle feeding lambs and one baby goat. Fun as a kid, not so much as an adult. Also did not have to pay the bills to maintain them.
     
  24. Snyper

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    Put down some rough concrete blocks for them to climb and walk on and that will help wear down the hooves.

    I used 2 x 16 x 16 patio blocks around my water troughs and at the stall doors so they had to walk on them.

    In a "survival" situation they will find all their food on their own. Instead of trying to save them all by worming, you just breed the survivors and cull the weak.

    Rabbits are one of the best things to raise for meat. They can live on kitchen scraps, grass hay and local vegetation. They don't require a lot of room and it doesn't take them long to get to a good eating size.
     
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  25. poltiregist

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    I recently increased my milk goats by one recently born female . With the escalating crises , I plan to keep the female and increase my milk production for my group . That will put milk production at about one to one and a half gallons of milk per day . It takes a serious prepper to keep and care for a survival animal on a daily bases 365 days a year . That is basically a 12 month out of the year milk supply . In a pinch If stores are nonexistent for any reason , I can feed goats on stuff that a lot of animals could not survive on . From my past experience of growing up on a food producing farm , I know trying to produce enough food for a family on agriculture grown crops alone without some type of survival critter would be a daunting task . I can only hope those that plan to survive by gardening alone has some super rich dirt and neighbors that will not raid their garden even when they are starving . My plan is a multi prong food source and water source whether there is electricity or not , gasoline or not , stores or not , rain or not . Goats is just one food source , but what I consider an important one .
     
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  26. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Poltiregist,

    Congratulations on new family member.

    I "tilt" toward the milk aspect. In a survival situation, am ultra-ultra hesitant to allow for mosquitoes / flies to get attracted to habitat.
     
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  27. Morgan101

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    Do any of you have problems with predators attacking your livestock? If so what do you do to protect them?
     
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  28. poltiregist

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    That is a good question Morgan . The only predator I am concerned about is domestic dogs in relation to my goats . . The fencing around my goats is as much to keep predators out as it is to keep goats in . I do have a few black bear in the area and at least at one point a mountain lion took up residence in a nearby cave for a few weeks . Neither caused me any problems . -- Now chickens is another matter . I had chickens and as long as I kept them pinned up and furnished them food they survived just fine . As a prepper decided if that was the only way I could keep them alive then they would serve not much of a purpose if S.H.T.F. . So I turned them out to forge for themselves . A lynx found them and came daily for an easy meal . Soon I was out of chickens . The cat liked to grab a chicken take it off into a thicket and torture it just to hear it squall until it finally killed it . According to my research at the time a lynx pelt would fetch about 300 dollars . I and my son in law set up to kill it . I got pictures of it on a trail camera where it was just sitting there looking at a box trap that it was too big to fit in . My son in law spotted it wading a creek and was taken by it's size . No one ever got a shot at it . Leg traps failed to catch it . --- The lynx encounter brings up another story some may be familiar with , during the Vietnam War the woman nicknamed " the apache " She liked to capture an American soldier and tie him up outside a U.S. military compound at night . Then casteration and peeling off the skin took place so the soldiers in the compound could hear the screams . She reportedly done this on multiple occasions . I was never exposed to the serenade .
     
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  29. Morgan101

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    My neighbors are in the process of building a chicken coop. It started as a project for the boys who are about 10-12 years old. It was much larger than we anticipated, and they are now wrestling with the issue of where to put it. City ordnance will not allow it to be 5' from any neighbors' property line. There are no chickens yet. I think by law they are only allowed to have four. My concern is that the chickens will attract raccoons, and coyotes, both of which are prevalent in the area, and maybe other predators. Hawks and owls are also prevalent, but don't concern me as much. We don't have small children, but I would be concerned about letting our small dog out at night.
     
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    We have coyotes in our woods behind the house and have yet had any attach our chickens. They are in our backyard surrounded by a 6 ft privacy fence and the rest of the property has a welding wire fence all around it. We did have a bobcat get into the chicken coop before and fortunately it was still young so we were able to trap it and released down the road about 30 miles away. Also possums like to get in the cool to steal eggs. I've only had a pack of dogs on the other side of the property try to attack my goat thru the fense, but didn't get in.
     
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    @Tom I've had goats a good many year and have never had a mean one yet. Now with that said, I have been flipped and put on my backside once, but my Billy didn't do it intentionally. I walked thru the dense and he always meets me there. When I went to patch it closed, Billy turned his head catching me on the back of the leg and I went up and over. . . And I am not a small person at 5'9" . He was a big boy however. It all depends on how they are raised. You got to spend time with them interacting. If you do that you shouldn't have problems even when rutting.
     
  32. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Poltiregist,

    Yes, true.

    Apache woman was up north around Danang.

    There's now some mil history on this. She was a VC and finally killed by a USMC sniper.

    I arrived ~ 4 months after, but south around Parot's Beak, they sent her away. B esides castrations, she was known to cut off eyelids.
     
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    Here's Beau when he was only 8 weeks old:
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  35. Snyper

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    Carlos took care of her. ;)
     
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  36. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Snyper,

    Real nice !

    Wuf, wuf, wuf
     
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  37. Dalewick

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    That is one cute pup. I see your starting him off right with the flock. Had a shepherd offer me a free great Pyrenees pup years ago while working but couldn't accept him (wife has allergies). They are GREAT dogs!!

    Dale
     
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  38. Morgan101

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    We used to dog sit for a family with a Great Pyranees. She was a wonderful dog. Very gentle.

    Beautiful dogs, Snyper.
     
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