Gun Control America.

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  1. PriscillaKing

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    Gun control...I've written a full-length blog post about this but not polished or posted it anywhere. Maybe here. Summary: Kids want to believe gun bans would make them safe; in Washington, D.C., it had the exact opposite effect.

    I went to Washington in favor of gun bans (at 17) and returned solidly opposed to them (at 40), because in places anyone wants to raid and pillage, disarming is suicide.

    My home town? Everyone but me seems to like hunting and shooting as sport. (I once heard an electrical transformer blow and thought nothing of it--"Just X out shooting again.") Years go by when we don't have a single violent crime. I could do without the noise; I can't think of firearms, themselves, as a threat to the peace.
     
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  2. Blackfish

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    The guns are gone and they're not coming back. It will get worse, but it will never get better.

    The same thing will happen here in the United States soon enough. There aren't enough Americans left with the guts to stop it any longer. They will come for the guns soon and will be ``100% successful. When Trump is removed from office, or defeated in the 2020 election, that will be pretty much it. Trump has missed his opportunity to do anything about the criminal gangs who own the people and he will go out with a whimper. Meantime, the FBI ad CIA and others will continue killing American citizens without relent and with impunity, and this will make the big gun grab much easier.

    Whites are being genocide across the globe now, and that is the real reason you are being stripped of your weapons and property. People who have no means of defense, and no ground to stand upon are much easier to kill. They want you dead, and that will be done by any means they can muster.

    This is also why all the White areas, the predominantly White countries are being flooded with Blacks and Muslims from the Middle East and Africa, most of them war age young men. They are mercenaries sent to murder whites and outbreed them and speed up the process of White Genocide. The west is still standing in the way of the desired global order of things and it's gotta go.

    Anyone who thinks any of these problems can be solved for us via political means is sadly mistaken. This was our last chance and we blew it. Trump blew it. UK/Brexit blew it. We blew it.

    The best anyone can do now is get to higher ground, some place in a rural area, for example, where one can live out their last days in peace and safety, and watch it all burn from a distance. We didn't do all this prepping for nothing.
     
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  3. TexDanm

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    Basically the Gun Control debate isn't really about guns. It is actually about the rights of good people to defend themselves from people and groups that would do them harm. No matter where you live there are good people and bad people. I will only talk about what I know and where I live. Criminals are not affected by laws. If they are going to ignore the laws and just moral decency and murder someone of rob them at gunpoint then they are unlikely to call it off because it is against the law to have a gun. To me this is just simple common sense and easy to understand. Evidently though a lot of people can't grasp this.

    Taking the guns away from the good people only empowers the bad OR turns the good into the bad. Laws that would work are laws that savagely discourage the use of firearms in crimes and possession of firearms by felons. Use of a firearm by a previously convicted felon in the commission of a crime should carry a life sentence without the possibility of parole. Attempted murder is the SAME as murder. Don't reward incompetence in this area.

    We need to get the repeat offenders off the streets. People that harm other people should only get one second chance and then they are gone. Anyone convicted of a crime that included the use of a gun should be castrated. If you are an adult and harm a child that is all you get and you are gone for life.

    I'm not big on the death penalty. I don't trust our system. Death penalties are not fairly used. I find it rather stupid when the person that actually kills someone during a robbery gets life with the possibility of parole and the driver that never touched the gun gets a death penalty. Usually if there are several people involved the killed immediately turns states evidence and gets a lesser sentence than the others involved that actually didn't kill anyone. So if we can't do it right we don't need to do it. To me the only exception to this would be a murderer that kills someone in prison. To me that makes them like a rabid dog and they have to be put down.
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    The USA is now utterly and totally divided urban vs. Heartland America. Democratic Socialism is the cancer of the cities. The collectivists in government hold the fear of rioting over the heads of tax-paying city-dwellers. People in middle-class suburbs and especially people living in rural area will simply begin shooting into looters during a SHTF situation.

    The collectivists (national and international) are stepping up calls for the banning of categories of firearms for they know that an economic collapse is inevitable -- after which, firearms confiscation will be almost totally impossible. Post collapse, there will be no fiat currencies with which to pay people in uniform -- the police and military will have to loot. Post-SHTF new currency (replacement currency) issuance will be just be a bad joke, "ink-stained paper" -- no one will use it except for show, to appear legal. Real goods and services will all be traded on what governments will call "the black market", i.e. the entire true market will be illegal.

    I'm thinking that here in the USA, firearm confiscation will not happen before SHTF events occur (yes, multiple). Multiple billion (x,000,000,000) people could die on Earth within the next 10 years ... or fewer years. Fifty to one hundred million (or more) could die in North America alone.

    Lighter types of ammo (birdshot/buckshot and .22 LR) will have to be expended to pin-down / drive-off looters. It will take LOTS of ammo to accomplish the pacification of overt chaos. Effective looters, i.e. invaders, will have to be dropped with center-fire rifle ammunition. The latter type of ammo will have to have the ability to penetrate vehicles.

    Guys in Reserve units have always brought home ammo from training exercises. When times get tough, government weaponry and equipment is going to go by-byes at a royal pace.
     
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  5. watcherchris

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    You know....about the "Race War/Civil War."

    Some here may have a good point concerning this.


    I have been thinking that this is why Kanye West is catching such flack today.

    For what he is teaching and speaking goes contrary to the plantation thinking/belief system necessary for a Civil War.

    For he seems to be teaching and speaking about Individual thinking...not group thinking/Herding.

    This would be an anathema to Internationalist/Deep State beliefs.


    What a horrible thought that even 10 % of the traditionally programmed, herded, captive, publically educated, television/movie educated people would become taken over by some common sense and abandon the carefully molded and manufactured Ishmaelite bondage plantation!!!

    My .02,
    Watcherchris

    Not an Ishmaelite
     
  6. watcherchris

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    Olde Geezer...

    This.....

    If I am understanding what I am reading in small bits and pieces...tell tales.....

    This is exactly where they are at currently in Venezula....Police and military are deserting their jobs...I am sure many will be taking their weapons with them.


    Exactly correct about the black market. Such an black market as a record of history will work orr function because the regular government controlled market does not.

    As long as prices do not get too far out of line...the black market does not greatly surface...but once prices run wild.....a black market arises....because of runaway prices in a rigged system.

    Thanks,
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  7. Old Geezer

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    Once was in USSR, if a soldier left his unit, he was considered AWOL. If he left with his weapon, he was considered a deserter (get a fellow shot dead, don't'ch'know).

    Many countries forbid civilian weapons chambered for ammunition calibers used by the military. These governments just figure that their soldiers would be stealing ammo on base and sending it home hand-over-fist if they didn't ban such calibers.
     
  8. TexDanm

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    Both the Republicans and the Democrats have the same long term plan for America. It was at the root of the last civil war and eventually will be the cause of a second civil war. Both parties want to do totally away with the United States of America and replace it with the Republic of America. This was Lincoln's intention and the reason he was assassinated. He was the first Republican President but was so disliked that his vice-president wasn't of his party and actually was a southerner.

    That civil war had nothing to do really with freeing the slaves and Lincoln never freed a single slave. His famous Emancipation Proclamation showed his true colors. It only affected the Confederate States over which he had no authority. He had 5 slave holding states that did not leave the union. The slaves in those 5 states over which he had authority were EXEMPTED from the meaningless Emancipation Proclamation. Slavery was already dying even in the South. Tenant farmers were a different and much more financially rewarding form of economic slavery.

    Once the United States is dissolved and replaced with the Republic of America all power will be in the hands of Washington insiders and it will lead to a form of Government more oppressive than any communist country that has ever existed. The Rich will own EVERYTHING and only the Rich will have rights. It will be like Europe when it was ruled by royalty. The problem is that the Rich have no noblesse oblige which most Roylests had or got replaced.

    Without State Rights this country will be ruled only by the urban areas. Rural people will have no voice in the government. California is representative of a place that is run by the major population centers in three cities. The people that live outside of the ant piles get to pay all the taxes but they get none of the treats that the people in the ant piles have. That is why there is a movement there for it to split up into three or four states. They are also talking about seceding from the Union. That way they can take in all the Mexican drug dealers that they want.

    As much as I dislike it even stupidity like that should be within a states rights as long as they don't use federal money or expect other states to pay their bills. It is strange to me that Washington tell California that they can't let them in and they tell Texas that we can't keep them out or enforce the laws about the border. It is basically how they play us against each other by doing each state differently. The coming Republic of America will be the END of America because not everyone will cower down and accept the loss of their rights.

    ROTFLMAO Liberals biggest problem is that they are not willing to serve in the military. Hell they don't even want to protect their own families.
     
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  9. Blackfish

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    Well, they're back with another "asylum" bill: https://hooktube.com/watch?v=0-O6mF8AGcE

    If the House doesn't stop this, America will be washed away for good. This is the real deal, the complete erasure of all borders.
     
  10. Blackfish

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    Now, this is come good news on the new asylum nonsense. I have been waiting for the president's response to their treachery in the new budget bill--and here it is:


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    I would be willing to “shut down” government if the Democrats do not give us the votes for Border Security, which includes the Wall! Must get rid of Lottery, Catch & Release etc. and finally go to system of Immigration based on MERIT! We need great people coming into our Country!"

    This is great news! I hope the president does not cave in on this, like he did with the Omnibus bill. I hope he follows through with his promise to shut down the government if they try to get this through!
     
  11. Old Geezer

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    https://www.rutherford.org/publicat...d_amendments_right_to_bear_arms_what_it_means

    "When it comes to gun rights in particular, and the rights of the citizenry overall, the U.S. government has adopted a 'do what I say, not what I do' mindset. Nowhere is this double standard more evident than in the government’s attempts to arm itself to the teeth, all the while viewing as suspect anyone who dares to legally own a gun, let alone use one in self-defense.

    "Indeed, while it still technically remains legal to own a firearm in America, possessing one can now get you pulled over, searched, arrested, subjected to all manner of surveillance, treated as a suspect without ever having committed a crime, shot at, and killed. (This same rule does not apply to law enforcement officials, however, who are armed to the hilt and rarely given more than a slap on the wrists for using their weapons against unarmed individuals.)

    "Now the Biden Administration is setting its sights on gun control.

    "Mark my words: gun control legislation, especially in the form of red flag gun laws, which allow the police to remove guns from people 'suspected' of being threats, will become yet another means by which to subvert the Constitution and sabotage the rights of the people.

    "Giving police the power to preemptively raid homes in order to neutralize a potential threat is a powder keg waiting for a lit match.

    "Under these red flag laws, what happened to Duncan Lemp—who was gunned down in his bedroom during an early morning, no-knock SWAT team raid on his family’s home—could very well happen to more people.

    "At 4:30 a.m. on March 12, 2020, in the midst of a COVID-19 pandemic that had most of the country under a partial lockdown and sheltering at home, a masked SWAT team—deployed to execute a “high risk” search warrant for unauthorized firearms—stormed the suburban house where 21-year-old Duncan, a software engineer and Second Amendment advocate, lived with his parents and 19-year-old brother.

    "The entire household, including Lemp and his girlfriend, was reportedly asleep when the SWAT team directed flash bang grenades and gunfire through Lemp’s bedroom window.

    "Lemp was killed and his girlfriend injured.

    "No one in the house that morning, including Lemp, had a criminal record.

    "No one in the house that morning, including Lemp, was considered an 'imminent threat' to law enforcement or the public, at least not according to the search warrant.

    "So what was so urgent that militarized police felt compelled to employ battlefield tactics in the pre-dawn hours of a day when most people are asleep in bed, not to mention stuck at home as part of a nationwide lockdown?

    "According to police, they were tipped off that Lemp was in possession of 'firearms.'

    "Thus, rather than approaching the house by the front door at a reasonable hour in order to investigate this complaint—which is what the Fourth Amendment requires—police instead strapped on their guns, loaded up their flash bang grenades and acted like battle-crazed warriors.

    "This is what happens when you adopt red flag gun laws, which Maryland did in 2018, painting anyone who might be in possession of a gun—legal or otherwise—as a threat that must be neutralized.

    "Meanwhile, the government’s efforts to militarize and weaponize its agencies and employees is reaching epic proportions, with federal agencies as varied as the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration placing orders for hundreds of millions of rounds of hollow point bullets. Moreover, under the auspices of a military 'recycling' program, which allows local police agencies to acquire military-grade weaponry and equipment, $4.2 billion worth of equipment has been transferred from the Defense Department to domestic police agencies since 1990. Included among these 'gifts' are tank-like 20-ton Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles, tactical gear, and assault rifles."
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  12. watcherchris

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    LOL LOL LOL...Olde Geezer.....

    I said it once and I'll say it again...and also have been teaching some of the young conservative workers what I know....about gun control.

    All of these youngsters I am teaching about gun control are in the same special program in which I am involved...

    Nuclear Refueling....

    We are all handling Uranium 235.


    And these government experts are worried about us with guns...


    You have to be educated to become such a gifted dumb a--!!!!

    For only public education can so naturally and giftedly dumb someone down so far...talk about "Fallen!!!"

    PWR...pressurized water reactor...type A4W.


    These people have no idea how laughable they are.....


    In addition to that....the average American ...safe behind their cell phone keypads....steering wheels.... and remote controllers has not a clue how many baddie, nasties....dangerous substances are transiting through their towns, villages, cities on any given day....they are out to lunch.


    They are worried about people like me with guns.......LOL LOL LOL.....out to lunch!!!!

    When you know this kind of thing or hazard on an intimate level...it is not difficult to come to the conclusion that if you cannot be trusted with your gun/guns....you will never be trusted with something as dangerous as a vote. For clearly they will rig the voting system in like manner to how they are trying to rig gun ownership.
    Not difficult to reach such an conclusion.

    Remember the oath that these people take to the Constitution of the United States....to Limited Government as outlined by the Founders.

    What is going on out here is not Limited Government.

    Not trusting your people with their gun/guns and now your vote.....is not Limited Government.

    Nor trusting them with ammo....not Limited Government.


    This is not Limited Government as outlined by the Founders.

    Be Warned the Ishmaelite who would seek to put us into their form of Bondage....involuntary servitude.....Herding us.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  13. TexDanm

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    At some point "We the people" are going to be forced to take our country back from the government or surrender our freedoms to them.
     
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  14. Old Geezer

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    It is OK to prosecute white people for violating gun laws. It is racist to prosecute black people for violating gun laws.

    "MICHIGAN PROSECUTOR: Firearm Laws Are Racist, So No Felony Offense Charges"

    https://www.larslarson.com/michigan-prosecutor-firearm-laws-are-racist-so-no-felony-offense-charges/

    "In 2020, Michigan’s Ingham County Prosecutors office issued 205 cases of felony firearms, 138 (67%) were against black Americans. In response, in the name of ‘equity,’ Prosecutor Carol Siemon announced she will no longer issue charges for felony firearms unless extreme circumstances warrant the charge. Ingham County Sheriff Scott Wriggelsworth joins the Lars Larson Show to share what he and his team plan to do."
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    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...er-sentences-for-gun-criminals-in-los-angeles

    "As Los Angeles grapples with shootings and homicides, Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascon refuses to add sentencing enhancements for crimes committed with firearms. So where are the California Democrats who prop themselves up as leaders on gun control?

    "More than 80 handguns and shotguns were among the items stolen from cargo trains in Los Angeles by looters — one of many crime problems that have been plaguing the city for months. Los Angeles has seen 628 people killed by gunshots in the last 12 months, according to the Los Angeles Times. Now, there are several more guns in the hands of people who acquired them illegally. But the man in charge of battling crime in Los Angeles doesn’t care.

    "Among his many soft-on-crime policies and dispositions, Gascon is vehemently opposed to sentencing enhancements, including enhancements for crimes committed while using guns. Gascon most prominently sent out a fundraising email decrying sentencing enhancements just hours after philanthropist Jacqueline Avant was shot and killed during a robbery. Avant’s killer had an extensive criminal history, and Gascon decided not to add a firearm enhancement that would have added 25 years to his sentence.

    "California Democrats are happy to do everything they can to restrict legal gun ownership, but the district attorney of a county of more than 10 million people does everything he can to lessen punishments for convicted criminals who are carrying out the very gun violence we are told Democrats want to stop. Gascon should be showered in condemnations from Democrats in Sacramento, yet none of them have much to say."
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