When you get older you inevitably develope a rather strange perspective. Old things are forgotten and then "reinvented" and are new. Some things just are gone forever unless TEOTWAWKI happens and those things will have to be reinvented. So many of the things that people believe now as just the only way it should be just weren't possible or realistic 50 to 100 years ago. Even simple things like personal hygiene were totally different. I remember when people had smells. Different races had distinctly different body smells. This mostly had as much to do with what they ate as any real difference. Understand, in a world with NO airconditioning people sweated a LOT. Men wore sweatshirts and undershirts under their good clothes to keep them as dry as possible. Nowadays people would find being around someone that had a strong smell pretty troublesome. I don't remember it ever being a thing that you noticed all that much. People smell, you moved on. A hot sweaty man wasn't as bad as an older lady that had soaked and powdered herself with things to hide her odor! You young folks just don't know what you missed learning to write with fountain pens. It is NOTHING like writing with a ballpoint pen and was HELL if you were left-handed. There was a whole hoard of things you had to have to go with the fountain pens like blotters to dry your signature after you signed a check and ink wells to refill your pen. You also ruined a lot of shirts and coats because they would leak. Without birth control pills relations between young men and young ladies in polite society was...different. The rolls that the sexes played in the culture were much more rigid. A woman had babies if she was married and when you have a bunch of kiddos you don't have a lot of opportunity for careers. My great Grandmother had 17 kids!! At least 5 or 6 was common. When you have that many kids they have to be "seen and not heard" or everything turns to bedlam. Kids all had chores. It took the entire family to keep a farm and household up and running. Just washing clothes was an all-day event that started with gathering the wood and starting the fires. My family inherited three wash pots. With 17 kids that was a lot of washing! People on the farms ate pretty well but it wasn't fancy. You cooked "enough" and everyone ate what they got. Kids that were picky eaters just got hungry a lot and if they gripped they ate standing up. A kid to some extent started being an adult at a very young age. Lots of girls were husband high at 12. Boys often went off to work at near that age. My Dad was graduated from Highschool and a full grown man that left home when he was 15. I've had a full-time job since I was 16 and a part-time job before that. I worked in a warehouse loading and unloading trucks before I went to school in the morning. These "kids" that are still living with Mama and Daddy and not working into their 30s are beyond my understanding. I actually know a young man that has declined to get a drivers license and is in his early 20s. I started driving at 15 and got my license when I was 16. My Daughter started driving at 9 and got her license as soon as possible. When you live in Texas you have to have a license and a car. We don't have much in the way of mass transit even in the big cities and NONE in towns under 100,000 people. I don't understand the kid and I don't understand the Father at ALL. People did not have so many THINGS. Life was a lot simpler in the past. When my wife and I decided to have a kid we wanted to not put it in daycare. My wife decided to quit working. Everyone was against it and told us that you just can't get by on one person's income anymore. We lived as our parents had. We didn't eat out. Our social life was our church and family. We actually had no problems. If you live a simple life it really doesn't cost much. For people like us returning to a simple life isn't scary. Refrigeration is about the only thing that we did have back then that we won't have in a bad collapse. The lack of a vehicle doesn't mean much when you have no place to go. A huge number of people will find out in the early days of any collapse that their "friends" that they text and twitter and twerp with are GONE. Even the people that they work with will be GONE unless they have a REAL friendship with them and they are not too far away from where you live. Even families now are scattered far and wide. Some of the things are in the past and good riddance but if we are forced to live in a world more similar to the 1900s than the 2000s there are going to be some SERIOUS adjustments to be made.