If God Is In Charge, Why Prep?

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  1. watcherchris

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    Charles Forte is a prime example...in "Fortean" as to how the MSM today try to "Herd" us even if they have to manufacture a bad guy to accomplish their goal/goals.

    They try to "Herd " the animals in a zoo.....with their version of brainwashing....propaganda.

    Very few catch on to it but do in fact become very emotional over the reporting....like puppets on a string...robots.

    Just watch the emotional reaction of all too many of these college kids today..they are literally out of control...Snowflakes they are often called.

    Someone has set the hook in them and reeled them in. They are propagandized....controlled...herded.

    I figured this out many many years ago before I got my ham radio license...in that I was a shortwave listener. I would listen to numerous foreign broadcasting stations when they would broadcast in English...

    What I would get, all too often, was a different version of the news as reported here Stateside.

    This came to be my first clue that the condition was not the product advertised.

    Once you know this about the news media and it's goal to properly and politically herd people....you now have enough information to deal with people who try to say the same about Believers being brainwashed...and or propagandized.....but it also helps to know the difference in sugar and Salt...and how to use it.

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  2. watcherchris

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    Now ...for the members who can still think for themselves....

    Why do I keep dogging this out on a Survival forum......?????


    Excellent question.


    Because it has much to do with our survival in a deliberately manufactured and slanted world....socially and politically manufactured....news and information. This is the religion going on in front of us every day....to put us on puppet strings and make no mistake....it is a devout, zealous, and deliberately manufactured religion.

    For those members who have never heard of this technique...it was conceptualized by a man named George Fredrick Wilhelm Hegel....under the moniker...thesis, anti thesis, synthesis.

    The version for which most people know this is "Good Cop/Bad Cop."

    And this is what government sponsored media or bought media tends to do to the people of a nation to prevent thinking.

    This "Travels" today under the technique of "Manufactured Emotional Outrage" demanding that we stop thinking for ourselves and get on the emotional bandwagon....ie.....Herd Mentality. The manufacturing of bad guys on which the public can focus to prevent individual thinking...and reasoning...and join the Herd...Deliberately Manufactured Emotional Outrage...deliberately manufactured bad guys.

    And we are going to see this technique run devoutly and zealously rampant and rabid between now and the 2020 election.


    This has been going on for so long now ...that these rabid creatures cannot change their spots...you can see them coming.

    They are quite devout in this very zealous religion and technique.



    Again...if the members think this is a joke...or a funny......concerning our survival in knowing of the existence of this doctrine.....this other religion....and how it works on us.........


    The other philosophy or concept for which George Fredrick Wilhelm Hegel.....aka.... G.F.W. Hegel or Hegel for short....... is known....is ....." The State is God."

    Be Warned.....




    My non Ishmaelite .02

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  3. watcherchris

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    If the members here think my points here are Idle nonsense....this is what Is now happening in England at the hands of secularly taught and educated administrators as they try to "Steer or Herd " people to conformity...herd mentality.

    This is what happens in todays Publically educated...enlightened....illuminated administrators....trying to Herd the people.



    I took note of something the British Government is doing in counterfeit and pulling a textbook leftist substitution scheme...and a bit of an irony behind it.

    Here from this article...in Breitbart News Network.


    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...jects-convert/


    I bring this up because this is eventually coming here to America as we get more and more publically educated people into high office...people who are inside..dead ..inert ..robots carrying on in the mode of "The Fallen."..and substituting counterfeit practices..counterfeit systems to overrule the beliefs and practices of the people...even overrule our votes...as well as our Rights as Citizens of this nation...to make us as are Englishmen and Continentals....people of the world and not as Americans.
    People with privileges granted by the Sovereign/man ..not rights given by God.


    Now watch closely the substitution scheme going on here...by administrators..


    Herein in this administrator or committee members view...Peace means an absence of strife.....


    To the Knowledgeable Believer....Christian....Peace is one of the names of a person..among many names...Jesus the Christ for Remission of sins.

    Among His names is Redeemer..The Word....salvation...savior.....Life....Blood...... Amen....the branch....bread....water.....Lion of Judah......Prince of Peace..etc etc etc. et al.


    The point here being Peace is one of the names among many for Jesus.


    The historic tendency of Ishmaeliites/wise men is to substitute this understanding and or knowledge with a definition in the flesh...Peace meaning by this administrator ...an absence of strife.

    This is a counterfeit....

    The Sword here used in the Word..is the Word itself...capable of dividing those of this world from those who are His....

    In other words to break the Herding going on.



    The sad truth is that many ministers and priests themselves do not sufficiently teach this to their flocks leaving them unarmored and unable to defend from this worldly counterfeit and onslaught...

    For the Word....is more powerful than any two edged sword...once you know...



    A sidelight of my conversion was to recognize and spot ...many of the counterfeits going on out here....often right in front of us. And there are many counterfeits out here.


    And here we see a British administrator using counterfeit demonic arguments in making decisions..


    The Extreme Irony of all this is that it was England under King James who was to give us one of the very best translations of the Word in the English Language ever written.

    And here we see what logical reasonable , educated, Enlightened, illuminated men do in counterfeiting what King James wrote in his King James Version.


    Peace in His Word....is the name of a person...and todays Enlightened would have it mean an absence off strife.

    That is the counterfeit...substitution scheme going on....this is herding..and how they do it...by substitution without most being aware of it going on.

    Those who Believe...find Peace in Him...not in this world....for He is Peace...among many other names for Him.


    And this is a very significant and important difference as we are made to suffer more and more decisions made by secular administrators in controlling and regulating our lives....and property..our very children and grandchildren....our issue/offspring if you prefer.


    This is a demonic substitution/counterfeit and brings power back to government...to absolute power or if you prefer...Divine Right of Kings.


    Another thing...about the word...Believe...Believer...

    This word here means to be...to exist...and life...to be living...to be/exist in Life.....and this is not in the pumper..but in something else..in Him.

    This too is seldom taught by ministers to their flocks.



    If you think this is idle foolish talk......gaslighting......................Just watch this AOC woman as she moves towards administrative power and herding behind climate change.....

    AOC is no different from these British government administrators....making decisions for everyone behind a file folder...not before a jury of our peers.

    AOC and her religion believes she knows better for everyone out here by entitlement..by some superior belief...knowledge...wisdom...no different from a government bureaucrat....no different from what is going on in England....in this article.

    And this world is breeding and educating thousands of AOC"s in our future.

    This is what Ishmaelites do......even to a peoples religion.....

    They establish a religion....a government sponsored religion.

    Eventually the religion of government itself...absolute power or Divine Right of Kings.


    Once you know, believe and understand ...you will catch this world at it very very often...counterfeiting ...substitution schemes.

    This will be important to us as preppers in the future....recognizing a counterfeit. For this is clearly one of the main goals of our MSM today....as well as public education.......counterfeiting our Belief and value systems with Ishmaealite doctrine and methods...and for the purpose of Herding/control.



    Be Warned...

    Watcherchris

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  4. lonewolf

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    is any religion peaceful? I think not, they all push their doctrines as hard as they can.
    I notice you quote an article about an Iranian convert!
     
  5. watcherchris

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    LOL LOL LOL LOL lonewolf...!!!!!

    Sorry olde man..but my article is primarily about Ishmaelte administrators...not about the convert.....

    About spotting a counterfeit....

    Are you substituting here????

    You realize....do you not...that I can make a case here for government pushing it's religion on a people by appointed administrators.....committee...by commissars..yes...Da Tovarich....??? Are governments historically peaceful.

    Suggest you read R. J. Rummels article on Democide ...death by ones own government.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide





    On the serious side Lonewolf....sometimes I think you haven't a clue how deep the pattern is ingrained into you.

    No problem....that is indeed your business and your belief system...your religion if you like. I merely make note of it...in predictability...

    I really don't think you have a clue that you are doing precisely what the MSM here in the states does to us all the time...substitution for thinking....and replacing with emotions.

    Our public school snowflake factories do similar.


    Oh..and again...in fairness.....the pattern is deeply ingrained in me as well. It is just that I try to follow a different pattern.

    Difference being Lonewolf....there was a time when I used to think pretty much as do you...and gloried in it. No problem ..I merely make note of it.

    My point in my post was about the government administrators..not the convert..

    Salt.


    Thanks for your post,

    Watcherchris

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  6. lonewolf

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    I don't care about governments, or religion, I prep for SHTF, I used to think you did too, nowadays i'm not so sure.
     
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  7. watcherchris

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    lonewolf,

    I care about governments and religion....because I have learned over the years that one of the textbook struggles continuing to go on but only adjusted for the acumen of the audience...is government trying to play god...to raise their power to cradle to grave control over the herd....

    And government pays for most of public education today among our youngsters.

    A substitution scheme..if you like..

    Don't misunderstand me here..I am not against education..nor science..as long as you know that is what it is and get a good one...or learn to weave your way through a political/social type education so common today.

    I would not do well in schools today....

    I don't believe the staff and myself would do well together.


    Thanks,
    Watcherchris

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  8. TexDanm

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    I believe that all governments and almost all organized religions are corrupt beyond fixing and our only real hope is a collapse that will take them both down. this will return both to the individual and eliminate, at least for a little while the insanity now so common in all nations and all faiths. The basis of both is to encourage what you call herd mentality but it is actually just stupidity. Governments and Religions encourage stupidity and in the US they pay stupid people to breed like rats and also want to bring as many poorly educated losers as possible from other countries.
     
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  9. watcherchris

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    Wow Texdanm........

    Don't candy coat it .....tell it straight!!!!

    Watcherchris

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  10. lonewolf

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    I know now that the British parliament is corrupt and traitors to the British people, they have only contempt for the voting public and they all think they are better than us.
    democracy is now dead in this country as of March the 29th.
     
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    I agree, but IMHO the reason Religions, and Governments do what they do is to retain POWER. The more dependent they make people; the more they can brainwash people the more they can steal to feather their own nests, and stay in power. Wasn't it Lord Acton who said " All power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    We need to flush the bowl, and start over.
     
  12. lonewolf

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    I thought that was Sir Winston Churchill.
     
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    When I looked it up everybody seems to give credit to Lord Acton. Maybe Lord Acton said it first, and Sir Winston Churchill quoted him. Lord Acton does predate Sir Winston Churchill by some years.
     
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  14. lonewolf

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    that must be it, I had never heard of Lord Acton before, but I am sure I heard of Winston saying it.
     
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    Well great minds think alike. IMHO Sir Winston Churchill was the greatest man of the 20th Century. Where is he now that we need him?
     
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  16. Colorado Prepper

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    I guess I'm gonna have to chime in on this thread. I am a Secular Humanist. A few years ago, yes, I had to look that up. I used to be Christian when I was a kid. I was baptized. I asked the Lord to come into my heart and save me, and use my body as a vessel to spread the word of JESUS! I never once felt his presence. I'd look around at church and see people dancin', hootin' and hollerin' while the donation plate is continuously circulated. Then I woke up and realized that religion is just another business, that wants to separate you from your money. Somewhere it says that a man of God is to be a humble servant. Yet I see "men of God" owning multi-million dollar mansions, and driving hyper luxury cars. The Bible is a book of stories written by well meaning, smart men that had no idea how society would be in current times. And that is very apparent in their texts. Modern man knows the basics on the how and when the universe was created, and it wasn't in six days. If the entire Earth flooded in Noah's time... where did the water go? Water can't escape the Earth, there's some science for ya. Revelations 7:4 Looks like to me, the bible says that heaven only has 144K slots to be filled. So... if it existed, it's been closed for over a thousand years. I don't rely on any one else in this life but me. I prep to be prepared for the "bad, godless" people. But to each their own. I don't dislike people of faith. I'm just not one.
     
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      There is so much wrong with your post I don't even know where to start. :( I am sorry that you missed out on a spirit filled church. It took me awhile to find one. OTOH, I did not start as a Christian. I was a Darwinist and believed quite strongly that aliens either planted or at least guided our civilization. I was once challenged to study Biblical prophecy with an open mind. I did and eventually became a Christian as a result. There are answers to every one of your questions including where the flood waters came from and where they went. It would be a huge thread derail to try to answer all your questions here though.
       
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  17. TexDanm

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    Man seems to be a flawed creature that can't ever live in peace. most animals, when they have a full belly and nobody invading their territory will decide to just go someplace else and kill all of their kind that they can find. There was a book called the Naked Ape about people. I think The Insane Ape might be more accurate.
     
  18. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    Colorado Prepper, you have some questions and other things that I would like to answer...

    I must agree with much of what you said about some religions and have also said the same. I like the part where you mentioned how many religions want to separate us from our money...which is one of my major pet peeves. That, to go along with their hypocrisy and outright lies. (Which is no surprise because many details of this very thing were prophesied over 2,000 years ago.)

    Be glad you didn’t feel Jesus’ “presence” in that place because if you did, it may not have been him, and possibly just raw emotion from hearing and seeing all that hootin’ and hollerin’ as you put it, lol. Only God knows. But I do know the carrying on with the cash cow business is NOT his Way at all, nor is it even scriptural. In fact, Jesus said, “You received free, you should give free.” (Scripturally speaking, the ministry should be funded strictly by anonymous voluntary donations without ANY goading or prompting from the pulpit or anyone at all. Also, scripturally speaking, all ministers, members of the clergy, and the like should never be paid with money or property.) The only religion that I know of that fills these criteria (and much more that closely resembles the first century Christian apostles) are the Jehovah’s Witnesses (www.jw.org...if anyone cares to take a look).

    Speaking of them, here is an interesting excerpt (in part) from their website that answers your question about where all the floodwaters went:

    “To some extent, the earth is still flooded. Seawater covers about 71 percent of the earth’s surface. So, in reality, the floodwaters are still here.” (Much of it is in liquid form, and some in ice.) “If the glaciers and polar ice caps were to melt, the sea level would rise to cover cities like New York and Tokyo.”

    "Geologists studying the landscape of the northwestern United States believe that as many as 100 ancient catastrophic floods once washed over the area. One such flood is said to have blasted through the region with a wall of water 2,000 feet [600 m] high, traveling at 65 miles an hour [105 km/ hr] —a flood of 500 cubic miles [2,000 cu km] of water, weighing more than two trillion tons. Similar findings have led other scientists to believe the evidence of a global flood."

    I would like to also add the fact that every culture on earth has a similar flood story, including those ancient cultures who had no contact with other peoples. All of the legends are not the exact same, but similar enough to understand that something like the Noachian Flood happened on a global scale. There is also a lot of other geological/biological evidence that such a thing did happen.

    You mentioned a few other questions, and I can’t just not try to answer them, lol. So, I hope you and others won’t mind my posting any of this.

    In reference to your question about the 144K: The prophecy described in Revelation 7:4; 14:1 and 14:3 about the 144,000 has not yet been completely fulfilled. (It will be completed as the end of this old system draws near. These are people from all walks of life, from different time periods.) Additionally, the Bible very clearly describes precisely what humans who are resurrected to heaven will be doing: Revelation 5:9, 10 and Revelation 20:4, 6; and 22:5 prophesies along the same idea that they will be “...out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” Also according to prophecy in Daniel 2:44 and other places, this ruling will begin after God crushes and destroys all world governments and restores his rightful Kingdom “on earth as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:10)

    By logic alone, if all the “good people” are going to heaven and all the “bad people” going to so-called hell, who on the earth will be the ones those kings in heaven be ruling over? Also, if all the “good people” are going to heaven, why is the Bible is vague about what people will be doing in heaven besides ruling over the earth? In contrast, there are there so many scriptures describing a globally restored paradise, and who will be there.

    The Bible is clear that a selected number of 144,000 humans resurrected in heaven will be ruling with the Christ over an earth cleansed from our present system of things. And that many, many people will be resurrected to a restored paradise on earth. Consider the very vivid description of what is in earth’s future in Psalms 37:10, 11:

    “Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, and they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.”

    And for how long? Verse 29 tells us: “The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it.” Jesus backs this up with the promise, “The meek shall inherit the earth.”

    The word “meek” is translated from the Greek word praus which means “humble, teachable” and not weak like some would think; the word “righteous” does not mean goody-two-shoes nor does it refer to holier than thou types. This form of righteousness is translated from the ancient Hebrew word tsaddiyq which means “just, or loving justice.” The unrighteous (but not the wickedly evil) will also enjoy the restored paradise on earth as well. This is evident by several scriptures, including Jesus’ promise to the sinner who hung on the stake next to him, “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” (Luke 23:43)

    Colorado Prepper, you are so right, the earth and all of its life-forms were not created in mere days. The “days” mentioned are symbolic of eras or epochs. The word “days” throughout the Bible have several different connotations much like we do today. (For example, “back in the days of____,” or “in my day, we did_____.”)

    Time and time again, science has proved the Bible correct (as I touched on in my earlier post).

    It’s just too bad that so many religions have twisted the truth about fundamentally important things which has turned people away from the Creator. It is no surprise who is behind that, though.




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    1. TMT Tactical
      Go Girl, Loving it. What is the word about shooting th bad / evil folks? You know me, not a frivolous question. I don't do turn the other cheek.
       
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  19. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    TMT, that particular war that God has in mind for eliminating world governments, and all of their trappings, is reserved for him and his heavenly crew: Armaggedon. It will be a sight to see, according to many scriptures, lol.



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  20. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    HOWEVER, scripturally speaking we are perfectly within our rights to defend our lives and our families, by whatever means it takes to (as the military puts it) neutralize the threat. I pity the fool who tries to kill me, or makes me think my life is in danger.
     
  21. TMT Tactical

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    Well I really don't think I will be on his draft list, so that tends to leave me on my own to figure out when to shoot and whom to shoot.

    Edit: thanks for the defense update, makes me feel better , sort of all warm and fuzzy all over. LOL.
     
  22. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    TMT, humans will not be on the draft list to fight during Armaggedon. That is a whole 'nother ball of wax from what you may be thinking. Most humans will be too busy freaking out to do a thing about that particular fight. But there are some, like myself (if I am alive then) who are actually looking forward to it.

    Here is just one of many scriptures that go along these lines:

    Psalm 37: 34 says,

    "Hope in Jehovah and follow his way, and he will exalt you to take possession of the earth. When the wicked are done away with, you will see it."

    Sidebar note, here: In the King James Version of the Bible (and some other versions paraphrased from the KJV), folks will see the word LORD in all capital letters in the third word of that verse. The preface of some KJV Bibles explains why the word LORD (which is a title and not the actual name of God) is used in almost 7,000 places in the Bible:

    That quote reads:
    "The covenant name of God was usually translated from the Hebrew as "LORD" (using capital letters as shown) in the King James Old Testament. This tradition is maintained."

    Whoa... taking the name of God out of the Bible in almost 7,000 places for the sake of tradition??? Oh hey, never mind the Lord's Prayer that begins with, "Hallowed by thy name..." WHAT name? They took it out and today most people do not realize the Creator even has a personal name. (The Jehovah's Witnesses put it back into the Bible, though, because there are so many scriptures that indicate that both God and Jesus thought his name is important.) Many older KJV Bibles still have it in Psalms 83:18, Exodus 6:3 (footnote), Isaiah 12:2, 26:4. But many of the newer KJV versions (even by the same publishers) have yanked it out of some of those places too. Go figure.



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  23. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    You had asked, "What is the word about shooting the bad / evil folks? You know me, not a frivolous question."

    Well hey, the Creator did create us with the instinct to survive, and to protect ourselves and those in our care. lol.


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  24. TMT Tactical

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    While I did make a bit light , I am very serious about taking care of me and my family. I am definitely old school -- "An eye for an eye" kind of guy (no rhyme intended). I do not forgive or forget. In my experience, "turning the other cheek " only got me hit twice. I have always had a problem with the "Meek shall inherit the Earth", so thanks for clearing that up.

    Freedom, Honor, Integrity are not just mouthed principals to be toss aside when threatened. Family first is not just more mouthed words but something worth defending with my life. My word is as important as my life, not to be treated lightly or given without thought. Once given, my word will be honored, without conditions.

    I really did appreciate your posts and views. We maybe in slightly different camps, but I would watch your back in a minute and trust you with mine. You no speak with forked tongue. Sorry could not resist.
     
  25. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    TMT, I appreciate and thank you for everything that you said. The kind of integrity and devotion that you have for your loved ones says volumes about you. Your family is so fortunate!

    I am pecking away at my cell phone so won’t say what I wanna say right now, but when I get to my keyboard I will surprise you with a satisfying explanation of the real meaning behind the phrase, “turn the other cheek.” It’s not exactly what you might’ve been thinking, but I am pretty sure it will sit well with you, lol.


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  26. TMT Tactical

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    Looking forward to your posts.
     
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    I am right with you TMT. I have never been any good at turning the other cheek. I would be very interested in Grizz's explanation.
     
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  28. watcherchris

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    Hey lonewolf...


    Please bring me up to speed here as I have come back from my busy schedule to re read this thread.




    Apparently I have missed it in the news concerning whatever happened on or about the news/events in England concerning March 29th.

    Can you bring me up to speed about the significance of that date in your country???

    By the way .....I agree with your assessment of the British Parliament..and what they area doing to the British People...and their contempt of the voting public.

    My concern here in America is that someone is trying to do similar with voting Americans ...make us insignificant by importing wholesale Illegals and putting them on the voting blocks/rolls ..particularly in high electoral vote states or states critical to the election process.

    I just do not know the particulars of what happened as of March 29th in the UK.

    Thanks,
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  29. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    As promised, here is a closer look at the phrase to "turn the other cheek." What did the Scriptures really mean by this expression?

    Nearly everyone has heard the famous saying from the Bible, “...whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.” (Matthew 5:39) Did Jesus mean that we should be passively weak victims? Not hardly! It may seem that way if you dangled that Scripture in mid-air without considering the context of what Jesus said to his audience.

    In essence, it means not allowing another to force us to a showdown.

    Notice what he pointed out in the preceding Scripture, “You heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.” (Matthew 5:38) He was referring to the Scriptures found at Exodus 21:24 and Leviticus 24:20, which was a law that was enforced only after an offender had stood trial before judges who considered the severity and all of the circumstances involved in the case. (Deuteronomy 19:15-21)

    Over time, people twisted the meaning of this law and used the phrase, ‘eye for eye, tooth for tooth’ as a go-ahead for personal vendettas for revenge, which was sometimes worse than the original offenses. Nowhere in the Scriptures does it sanction personal revenge, and Jesus clarified this in his Sermon on the Mount where he outlined the principle of God’s Law with the phrase ‘turning the other cheek.’ He did not mean that if we are slapped on one side of the face, that we are to literally offer the other side to be struck, because a ‘slap’ is not a word to indicate physical injury, but as a provocative insult to draw out a retaliatory confrontation.

    So, it is reasonable to see that if someone tried to provoke another with a figurative ‘slap’ or insults, the person being insulted should avoid retaliation. This is in keeping with the command to be peacemakers and avoid returning evil for evil. (Romans 12:17) This way, the vicious circle of hatred and fighting can be broken. Otherwise, much harm can result from a mere insult.

    King Solomon, one of the wisest men to walk the earth, said something similar, “Do not say: ‘Just as he did to me, so I am going to do to him. I shall repay to each one according to his acting.’” (Proverbs 24:29)

    There is wisdom in not allowing another to force us to a showdown. Most insults are not exactly the “hill we want to die on,” but situations could very easily and quickly escalate to that point from a mere 'slap' or insult. Having a controlled measure of quiet dignity and strength can go a long way to prevent a ton of trouble or even grief.


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    My sons got into trouble in school because they followed my instructions. They were not allowed to physically respond to any name calling or insults but where instructed to never allow a person to put hands on them. Yep, the fought back and got suspended and I took them out for ice cream. The school was not too happy when I explained why and how my sons would respond to anybody touching them. You can call me all the names in the book and depending on my mood, I will either ignore you or respond with a few choice phrases of my own. Threaten me or attempt to lay hands on me and if your are really lucky, you will be taking a trip to the hospital, verses the morgue.
     
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    Yep. I taught my son the same. He also learned to protect his sister. When he got suspended for defending himself we spent the time playing paintball.
     
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    I, too, am also a proponent of self-defense. Jesus did not mean that if his followers are struck on one side of the face, they should stagger to their feet and offer the other side as a target.

    I can only do everything that I reasonably can to avoid a nasty confrontation but will defend myself if necessary.


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    Some how I never got the idea you were going to ever be somebodies punching bag. I don't think I would want to make you real mad, if we were near any swamps. I could become the main participant in a Bayou disappearing act.
     
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    Grizz: Thank you for that clarification. Very enlightening. I think we are on the same page here. I could take any verbal abuse anyone wants to throw. I have refereed High School and Collegiate sports for over twenty years, for heaven's sake. I have a hide like a rhinoceros.

    But if the confrontation becomes physical, or the insults are directed at my wife or family, then all bets are off.
     
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    You are right about me not being anyone's punching bag. But the Bayou thing? Once upon a time, this might have been pretty close to the truth. But now? No way! Over the years, I've developed a superpower: it is difficult for anyone to anger me, even if they tried. I can only blame it on a refinement of my spiritual growth.


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    March 29th was Brexit day, now extended to 12th April, but the UK government is currently asking for a further extension
     
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    one word BREXIT.
     
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    ahhh...ok...BrexitDay....thanks for the update.

    I see now.....

    So you folks over there have Ishmaelites hard at work as well as do we here on the other side of the pond.

    Watcherchris

    Not an Ishmaelite
     
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