Interesting Read About China

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  1. TexDanm

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    Also posted o another topic but applicable here and can't be pointed out too many times.

    "So far, the new coronavirus, dubbed COVID-19, has led to more than 75,000 illnesses and 2,000 deaths, primarily in mainland China. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has already caused an estimated 26 million illnesses, 250,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "
     
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  3. Pragmatist

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    Good morning TexDanm,

    I'm sure Regis is a good citizen and nice person. Yet, our complicated and complex world goes well beyond what he wrote.

    He co-mingles 2 distinct specific eras of China's recent history. The Mao era had those captured "enemies of the state" chasing down flies for sanitation / health reasons. Post Mao, it's not as strict.

    China's not "less-cultured" - although that's true compared to the West. It's just that it's a new country with a new government.

    In the "old days" I remember all medical facilities were government owned and operated. Post Diem circa 1982, there are private medical facilities. Bring FOREX.

    Don't know when Regis writing or the years referred to but it's just not correct to write "The Government has capped financial upward mobility". The Chinese Middle Class - might - be richer than their American counterpart - presuming this can be compared. It is the American Middle Class that is experiencing DOWNWARD financial mobility. We are eliminating the deficit. The Social Security retirement plan and Medicare was the abrogation of Genisis 22 - the prohibition of child sacrifice. Our generation and a couple to follow will experience downward mobility. With or without the current virus dangers in China, the financial mobility is still present even if all, like the sick, do not participate. They have plenty of people. It is - actually was - the US needing to import ~ 40 million for our labor shortages.

    The blog's "There was "any and every medicine we needed..." is not applicable to a VA Medical Center. It is not applicable to a Medicare enrollee without Medicare Part D (RX Pharma) or the physical will prescribe a lesser pharma to the patient.

    Are not "public services" a form of socialism. Charities were not, until they accepted public funds, but government agencies and quasi-charities are indeed a form of socialism. We are paying for this well beyond what a private non-cartel run health care facility delivers.

    The US health care system does not operate in a market place - only small portions of it do. There are too many fiefdoms present. Witness Medicare recipients, Medicaid recipients, TriCare series recipients, Labor unions, Civil Service unions, and on and on.

    Much of what we label "insurance" is not really insurance.

    Both Republicans and Dems formulated the US health care programs. B 43 was/is a Republican. Didn't he sign the Part D legislation ?

    Hoping the best for Reg. I appreciate his public efforts and interest in China but our planet is complicated and complex, well beyond a short stay in China or personal experience with both nations' health care "systems".
     
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    The average wage in China in 2019 was 2200 yen per month, or approximately USD 320. The average wage in the US was a little over 4000 USD or 27,500 yen per month. I suspect that you would have a hard time living an American middle-class life if you only made 320 a month...but I could be wrong.

    The middle class in the US is suffering because our government is stabbing them in the back. They are making it impossible in the US to mine or factory produce in a competitive manner with the rest of the world. Because of this our auto industry has crashed, the oil industry has dried up, the coal industry has been shut down and every month another factory is shut down so it a be moved to another country where operating costs are lower. Import taxes used to protect American ade products by not allowing places with virtual slave labor to import their dirt-cheap products. Now it almost seems that our government works FOR those foreign industries and NOT the American people.

    Let us be real for a minute. Our politicians are pretty much rich people. Rich people get rich by minimalizing expenses and maximizing profits. Our Government is supposed to be of the people for the people and by the people. That is now true only if you are RICH! The rich love the poor because they can be bought off with pennies. They fear the middle class because they demand a fair wage for their work and those wages come right out of what they consider as THEIR profits.

    The only hope is that at some point the middle-class American people get mad and nut up. They could vote the assholes out of office BUT the way our system works we only get to vote for another rich politician that is offered by the same people that offered us the last rich politicians. As long as we vote Democrat or Republican our government will continue to slowly bleed us to death. We need new political parties that actually do represent the average American and not just the rich and the lazy poor.
     
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    Call it whatever name you want. Call it Elephant power or whatever stuff. In the end, the thing that I CALL insurance pays for the vast majority of my medical expenses. If you really want to call insurance what it is and originated as it is, a betting club run by a bookie. If it were not for my Elephant Power I would have died about two years ago. My health went downhill and there is no possible way that I could have paid for what I had to have to stay alive out of pocket.

    Are all programs the same? Hell NO. The VA is an atrocity! Some of the HMO plans are just slow death. BUT if you make good decisions and buy good Elephant Power Insurance, even when you go on medicare your coverage is good.

    Medicaid is a little better than nothing. the so-called free clinics that the poor uninsured are expected to use are not as good as nothing mostly. If you are seriously sick they will give you an appointment next week and tell you to go to the emergency room if you get sicker or can't wait. You don't need them to tell you to do that and that is why the emergency rooms are so overcrowded.
     
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    Appreciate article. Should be required reading for Western nation high schoolers.

    Because I've worked for international companies I've gotten to talk to folk coming back from the more "civilized" countries over in Asia. Two and a half decades ago, this German tells me about visiting China (wasn't business that time, was personal journey through China). He goes to the crapper in a rural area. There's a wooden platform with a hole in the floor (no toilet proper; women's urinals in Italy are little better). He launched a #2 barrage through the floor hole. Immediately, the hogs rushed in for the defecation delight. The piggies were looking for some still-edible corn kernels. Gee!, I wonder how viruses pass to other species?! And the ducks poop in the fetid ponds and the carp eat the poop and the people eat the carp. Hmmmmm, wonder how avian flu gets to people?!

    Why are people with European blood lines so picky? Cold winters breed a type of human who must somehow endure the unlivable winter. We began our evolution in Africa where, save for desert regions, there exists some sort of food all year round. In Africa, yams can be grown very easily -- they take no advanced agriculture to grow. In primitive times, the human population in Africa was low, for all manner of diseases (especially dysentery) killed the kids. Also, people were killed via animal predation and by diseases secondary to parasites. How do peoples survive such a thing?! They have enough children to get past the deadly attrition numbers -- if you have enough kids, statistically speaking, some will survive. The kids that do survive will possess some form of immunity to the innumerable diseases, plus they may be able to out-reproduce Mother Nature's hideous scythe.

    In centuries past, Europeans when entering Africa got malaria and died. It wasn't until the use of quinine came along that European people could semi-survive living in Africa. Extreme Southern Africa's climate allowed Europeans and East Indians (who were better adapted to the heat) to not die there; still, these people had to engineer many adaptations to be able to get by. Eventually they even made the place productive.

    Europe: The migration of people out of Africa to the north where the weather is too cold to live during the hellish winters forced humans to develop means of survival to defeat the killer conditions. People had to have lots of clothing, to include coverings for their feet. Clothing in those times meant killing and preserving the pelts of furry animals (many of these animals were mean and could easily kill squishy-soft humans). People who had body hair and thick beards could survive winter hunts ... while wearing the hides of furry animals. Weaker people just died. Only the strongest and the smartest survived. In primitive times, European men HAD to cooperate so as to be able to bring down dangerous game and to be able to live together in confined quarters -- in winters, these humans huddled together in caves. They could not always be fighting each other. Coming up with new ideas and perfecting current skills took a certain kind of deeply-focused thought pattern. If you were obsessive, it could easily save your life, the lives of your family, and would go mightily towards keeping your children alive long enough to grow into adulthood and becoming parents themselves.

    The hard winters of Europe, bred a race of people given to being OCD. In its clinical form, obsessive-compulsive disorder begins working against the sufferer. In its mild form, OCD can lead to advanced engineering and great civilizations. Witness how ordered are those peoples who must use their brains to survive. On the North American continent, witness how structured the societies of Inuit and Eskimo peoples are. Witness their art, their water and ocean craft, their winter dwellings -- plus, they can be downright nice people. Can they get savage when things go sideways or when they hunt, yep; they are human after all. The history books and even our current memories speak to how Europeans sure can go savage. However during the day to day world, Europeans usually get along and behave in a civilized fashion.

    We preppers get labeled as a bunch of nutcases and are considered to be obsessed with matters that could go wrong. OK, I'll take that. The only reason I am living, sitting here typing on this computer is due to my ancestors being a crazy bunch of "survivalists".

    Why do we love Liberty? Liberty allows robust humans to evolve even further.

    I'm thinking that the hellish events soon coming to Earth will "take care" of vast numbers of weak humans. Not a pleasant thought, however Mother Nature sure doesn't care. She is utterly without mercy.

    Maladaptation = Annihilation
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  7. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon TexDanm,

    Just a para-to para basic reply. In overall substance, nothing too different.

    Wage comparisons have no meaning. It's really about PPP - Purchasing Power Parity, a/k/a/ P3. China does not have a market economy - only large segments are market oriented. There are 3 levels of prices for people in China: Chinese citizens, overseas Chinese and foreigners. This is slowly relaxed now, depending on the goods and services and location. As a businessman, I cannot buy labor hours at what the local worker is paid. I am paying what my negotiating counterpart offers as the cost I must pay. The cost might be 15% less than US labor costs in Tulsa or Kansas City.

    Only partly - not overall - can the US middle class blame government for the stagnant situation they are in (includes me but I have no problem understanding what happened). Taft-Hartley (1947, passed over Truman's veto) opened the US South for their labor use ("Right to Work" provision 13). This market labor was destroyed by the blue collar labor unions, the vastly enlarged civil service, - Fed, state, local, and the Medical / Health cartels. The Middle Class had no complaints with the 1965 Medicare. Social Security started to drain away capital from the industrial investments. The US Middle Class has much blame to absorb.

    Why did the oil industry dry up ? Same question for coal. It's not only about lower foreign costs. It is also about operating permits and business licenses. Might as well as add nuclear. Remember Diablo Canyon, Mohawk Valley ? Gone away. All this MIGHT represent goodness. I do not know enough about the energy industry.

    I already gave up. Not as a matter of defeat but I reallocated my resources - a fatigued and aged body - to Team Trump. He really is a new political party less the veneer /varnish of the Republicans.

    I cannot close this post without saying that the US is a debtor nation and a / the major creditor is China. When seeking any blame for this situation, China is not involved in the needed debt service. What happened ? I wrote my views above.
     
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    Good afternoon TexDanm,

    Ref second post;

    No, insurance - real insurance - is not a gamble like dealing with a bookie. It's a calculated risk.

    What we call today's private citizen insurance is so subsidized, it's in collapse. Today, the subsidy will be paid for by our next generation. They will - some already have - experience a lower standard of living than us of the boomer generation (1945 -1964).

    Don't feel lonely. I should not be on this planet. Still, I am discussing large population blocs of America. Without REAL insurance, the US will go the way of other premier nations. REAL insurance requires REAL changes.

    Don't feel lonely. I should not be on this planet now.
     
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    Good afternoon Old Geezer,

    I used to have quinine on a daily basis. Dr Schwepps' soft drinks with quinine were my daily medicine along with coffee.

    I've had malaria, Yellow Fever and Kalar Azar. Even in 70 degree F temperature, I could be "freezing".
     
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