Is Canada Safe?

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  1. keenonthedaywalker

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    Hey everyone! I would like to know if you guys think Canada would be safe during WW3. If there is ever a new world war any European country would be the first to get bombed. That is why I am asking if Canada is safe, but maybe like the Canadian wilderness. That or a country in the Southern Hemisphere.
     
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  2. Keith H.

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    I think that if there is a nuclear war, no country involved in that war will be completely safe. However, I feel that Australia will fair better in such a conflict than anywhere else.
    Keith.
     
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  3. OfficerOtto

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    Canada and Australia are both unlikely to be targeted, New Zealand even more so.

    A better question would be prevailing winds and fallout patterns. Anyone keep up with meteorology here? Knowing where the winds are likely to deposit radioactive material may pick your destination for you.
     
  4. lonewolf

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    I think Canada would be a safe place once you get out of the cities, its a big country to disappear into.
     
  5. keenonthedaywalker

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    I think so to but tlike otto said you should know the in which direction the wind goes, in case a city is bombed and the radioactive stuff goes everywhere.
     
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  6. lonewolf

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    yes, our house faces directly east towards the rising sun, and the prevailing wind is AWAY from this location.
     
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    If a WW3 was going to happen, there is no way to know where it's safe. History tends to repeat itself, so Europe might not be the safest place to hide in. But history can also be unexpected, and Canada might ends up having a big part in the massive conflict. With the modern technologies I think that probably no place will be truly safe, be it a big or small country, involved or not in the war. Maybe some unknown deserted island in the middle of the ocean would be a good spot, but if you manage to find one then also other people might be able to find it...
     
  8. izacuson

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    I considered Canada to be safer than the United States. After the events and riots of what is happening in America, and seeing that nothing has happened that much in Canada, it makes me want to move there sometimes.
     
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  9. izacuson

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    I considered Canada to be safer than the United States. They do not have as many riots, gun violence, terror attacks and etc as much as we do.
     
  10. EarlAlexander

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    I don't really feel Canada would be safe if there were to be a world war 3 because of the relationship between United States and Canada,Canada would always be prepared to defend North America as well because if United State is successful invaded and defeated then they will be next in line to go down. The only safe country if they where to be a world war three would be a small island in the pacific or any where in the world.
     
  11. Kootenay prepper

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    Living in south east BC I feel it would be one of the safer locations to survive in Canada. There is a steady supply of underwater springs which we have been drinking for years without filteration and enough wild food to live year round. The majority of Canada’s population is in eastern Canada with the western Canada’s population being mainly on BC’s coast or in Alberta. BC’s main military bases are located on Vancouver island and Alberta’s main bases located further east.
     
  12. Crys B.

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    I think safety is a matter of relativity. With nuclear warfare, no place on the planet may be safe. That's not including biological warfare. With people able to travel the world more easily than ever before, no place may be safe.
     
  13. Travis.s

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    I'm also from canada I've lived in 3 provinces.
    Yes canada tends to have fewer riots and the like but that's due to are different approaches to are laws.
    We have more wilderness that's true but the whole just disappearing in the woods idea probably wouldn't work you can't just pitch a tent anywhere the terrain isn't that accommodating everywhere and we have more wildlife.
    And despite are reputation of being friendly the government may close there borders.
    I hear so many people from across the border talk about how there just going to move to canada like we have it so easy over here but we'll have are own issues to deal with and they may be the but of alot of jokes but are military is no joke and would be mobilized and borders controlled if a war broke out.
    So please keep in mind that it's not as simple as oh things aren't working out here let's just walk over to canada they'll take care of us. And even if you do get let in there are different rules over here
    Please keep that in mind.
    That being said most of us would try to help as best we can especially if treated with some common courtesy I know I would.
     
  14. Kootenay prepper

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    That’s why I’m always learning the land around where I live once the outsiders come I’ll be up in the mountains. There are cabins to live in that unless you are looking for them you can’t stumble across them.
     
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    The problem with coming up here to Canada is you move further north to land you don’t know it’s harder to survive. We get drastic changes in our climates and seasons. If you haven’t learned the resources before winter hits and stockpiled enough supply’s you will starve or freeze to death.
     
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  16. Travis.s

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    That every true if your going to bug out over to are side prepare for are winters and be mindful that we get dry summers forest fires are very common.
     
  17. TexDanm

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    Canada has the sort of safety that you can find most anyplace where there is a lot of land with very few people in it. When you get into the more populated areas you begin to run into the problems inherent in to many people squeezed together. There was a shooting in New Brunswick today where two cops and two people were killed. If you can get away from people you can be pretty safe no matter where you are. At least in Canada there isn't quite the same racial issues we have in the US.
     
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  18. Keith H.

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    I note that Canada has strict gun laws too!
    Keith.
     
  19. Old Geezer

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    Australia is without nukes. The place is enormous and there are only 25 million citizens to protect it.

    There are billions of Southeast Asians and Chinese due north of Australia.

    If the coming wars between China and Southeast Asia and another Sino-Russian conflict (this time nuclear) do not wipe-out hundreds of millions / billions of people, then it is inevitable that the Australian island-continent will be occupied by Asian people. In all likelihood such would take decades to accomplish. China's navy is not currently configured to move masses of troops.
     
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  20. Old Geezer

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    I believe that the western provinces of Canada will be "safe". The word "vast" does not cover how huge of an area we are talking about. Let's say that region does catch some fallout -- it will be a streak, then maybe another. However the majority of western Canada will still be spared.

    If America gets its clock cleaned, American refugees heading into Canada will not represent massive numbers. Plus western Canada can be defended -- I wouldn't want to invade the northern part of the Rocky Mountains. The Canadian Army could dig-in there and let's face it, the U.S. military would provide military aid. And how does one go about getting there to invade that much turf?! That would be as fatal as Napoleon attempting to invade Russia -- didn't go well for him, don't'cha'know.
     
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  21. Old Geezer

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    In Europe, I feel that Switzerland and Austria will remain somewhat "safe". Maybe some of the eastern regions of the Carpathian Mountains may be safe-ish if no regional wars flare-up.

    I always put the word "safe" in quotation marks because we are talking a very dangerous world with national currencies gone to paper and food & fuel supplies all devastated. The concept of safety will be debatable.
     
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    That's assuming that who ever attack the u.s. with nuclear weapons dosen't do the same to canada.
    From a strategic standpoint hitting the enemy's closest allies at the same time would be a sound move.
    And nuclear weapons normally target spots of military value then high population.
    Not like we have just one base at the border and one city.
    In the end due to are close proximity with the u.s. both geographically and politically chances are if someone did attack at that scale canada would be no better off.
     
  23. TexDanm

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    Pretty much all of the past parts of the British Empire seem to be going down the left hand road. I think that the manner of the American parting has delayed that for a little while. We just aren't as influenced by London's opinions and ways as the rest of their progeny.

    Even Russian citizens have the right to own guns for personal protection. It is sad that Russian citizens have more rights and freedoms than the People in the various British relations or people in the Soviet Socialist State of California.
     
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  24. Travis.s

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    Canadian citizens are allowed guns to protect themselves it just makes sure you can't walk in to a shop and buy one without providing you are responsible and aware of the danger.
    Civilians can't own military grade weapons because the military spends hours a day training there soldiers how to properly use them. Something a civilian won't.
    It's not that we're leftist we are just careful about it.
    Canadians believe in your personal right to own a firearm.
     
  25. TexDanm

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    To each their own. You have to have a license to own a gun. I don't have a problem with that but then you can't have a centerfire rifle with a magazine over 5 rounds, a handgun with a magazine over 10 rounds and you have to register all your guns so the government will know where to come and get them when they decide you aren't trust worthy enough to have a gun. A Government that doesn't trust its people to be armed will eventually decide you are not good enough to have a vote. If you want to see your future look at Britain and Australia. I'm not picking on Canada. The USA is following right down the same road. The difference is that I suspect eventually the USA will have another civil war. There are still a lot of people here that believe in the United STATES of America and will resist the creation of an Aristocracy based Republic of America. The last civil war was over the exact same thing... State rights to self rule.

    After a little reading it seems that you can only shoot someone if a jury will agree that you were in danger of being killed. If I want to kick in your door and steal everything in your house, as long as I don't threaten to kill you, you can't stop me. If i'm raping your daughter but not threatening to kill her or you you will probably be indicted and tried if you shoot me. The good news is that other than breaking you financially you will probably not get convicted. It is the same in many states here though so you aren't alone. The criminals have a LOT more rights than victims or stupid hard working honest people.

    Putting a magazine that will hold more than 5 rounds in a centerfire rifle does NOT make it a military grade weapon anymore than a butcher knife being described as a military grade sword. They can say it but it doesn't make it true.

    In general from what I've read the people of Canada are like most of the people here in the West and less crowded places. You have more room and also have the BAD winters that seem to focus a people in a different way than what people get from living in the more crowded and milder climates. If you look at the history of places with both a lot of people and a mild climate you will find a lot of violence. Canada still has a lot of "fronteers" where people that want some room can go and have that. When you have a climate that challenges you it seems to divert the sort of random violence so common in a lot of places. So far Canada has managed to balance the leftist tendencies of any elected government with a more lively character of people that don't want or need to be rules and micro managed. As long as you have room to roam the government will have a hard time snuffing out your freedoms.
     
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  26. Travis.s

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    While there has been cases where a burglar won a case in court after being shot while robbing a place. Canadian law allows you to defend yourself your loved ones and your property with "Reasonable force". If you do kill someone you get arrested and an investigation is launched to see if it was truly necessary. While it has happened very few are criminally charged although the court cost fall on the individual. So while are legal system is lacking for its non criminal citizens we are in no way defenceless. As to the gun laws we restrict the types civilians have to limit the danger to the population.
    New Brunswick had a shooting the other day killed 2 cops and 2 civilians with a stranded semiautomatic hunting rifle image what could have happened if it was a full automatic assault rifle with extended magazine and special ammunition. While I believe everyone has the right to own a firearm I also believe that there should be strict rules for having one for the safety of yourself, your loved ones and the general public.
    Having a gun at home is one thing having an arsenal is another.
    And having people just walking down the streets that haven't had the same stress training as law enforcement doesn't sound very safe. They could easily over react or try to join in on a tense situation and make things worse.
    Not to mention be mistaken as hostile by police if called to an emergency involving violence.
     
  27. Travis.s

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    That may have end more preachy then informative then I intended sorry about that.
    Bottom line is you can shoot to defend yourself your property and others.
    But if its lethal force an investigation is required.
     
  28. Dunmaghlas

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    HAHAHAHAHA
    Not the facts I have here.
    It says you need an RPAL License just to buy a gun, which you don't need where I'm from, therefore Canada has worse gun laws.
    Also when you say "military grade weapons" please do clarify what you think those are, because I hear dozens of people every week misuse that term accidentally or even on purpose cuz they soviets and communists and frikin leftists. Why do you think I hate California.
    All the guns my family ever bought were military grade anyway.
    Handguns are also labeled as "restricted firearms" in Canada and you can't even get a conceal carry permit
    Please. Really please do explain how it is that you say they aren't leftist and they just "care" when you have laws like that
    My state is Conservative and we have very minimal gun laws and we're all happy. I just laugh when people start blabbing about shootings and crap. That almost only ever happens when you start restricting stuff. Then the bad guys are the only ones with guns. People know this for a fact.

    I think you also said something in a later comment about "reasonable force" B.S.
    I'm not even saying this as an American or anything (That excuse always works though but I usually claim Irish anyway) but that really is some B.S.
    If someone lays a hand on my family or property (later down in life when I have either of those) they will feel the full force of every single ounce of lead I own. At point blank. In the head. Then everywhere else. Then I might drive to Cabela's and buy some more and use that too. That's what I call reasonable. Anyone who really cares about anyone other than themselves would agree. A quote from Hannibal Smith is in order right bout now - "Overkill is underrated."

    Among OECD countries, Canada has the fourth highest rate of death by firearm – more than twice the rate of Australia, and 10 times that of Britain

    thats not necessarily great
     
  29. Travis.s

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    Never said no license was required to own a gun only said that buy are laws if you shoot someone that you could have over powered with a baseball bat (reasonable force) you can be put in jail.
    As for my military weapons comment your right maybe I should have been clear instead of just saying full automatic assault rifle.
    I also said that if deadly force was used an investigation was need to make sure it wasn't a well planned murder.
    And yes we have high gun crime just like you because we still allow people to own firearms and not everyone is law abiding. As to your mention of concealed permit my examples above about allowing just anyone to walk the streets above covers that. don't take your frustration out on me just because you don't like what you read.
    Canada dosen't take way its people rights to own firearms nor do they want to they just want the people to be held responsible for there actions.
     
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  30. TexDanm

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    I guess it is all a matter of your view. No you can have guns BUT only certain guns and reasonable force under your law is that you must have a reasonable fear for your life. This is the way it always starts. Next they will declare that any shotgun that will shoot more than twice is a Military style and then ALL semi automatics will be banned. You already can't have a glock or even the venerable Browning Hi power with original factory magazines. The next step will be the ban on any rifle or handgun that COULD be adapted to hold more than a few rounds. I don't know if it has changed but for a while the People's Soviet Socialist State of California banned my squirrel gun because it COULD accept a magazine that might hold over 10 rounds.

    The thing is that gun control isn't about making people safer. It is about disarming them so that the State doesn't have to fear them. Making people safe is simple. Take the people that use guns to harm others and the people that harm others with any weapon and remove them from society. Serving 5 years for attempted murder is stupid. Why reward someone for being an incompetent murderer. Why can someone kill a total stranger for no real reason and it is called manslaughter or second degree murder and they get to get out and do it again in 15 years. If gun control made people safe Chicago would be the safest place in the world instead of having 74 people shot last weekend and 1700 so far this year.

    Military style weapons are not generally legal in the USA. It takes a lot of money and special licenses to own a truly military full automatic weapon. Basically if you are going to use a loose description like that a bolt action rifle is a military style weapon. There have been more armies armed with them than almost anything. Even now a bolt action rifle is used on some sniper teams. As long as you let the government decide what guns you can have you are heading down the road to the point when they tell you to turn them all in. Freedom is never something that anyone got by saying please. If you can't resist then you are kidding yourself about being free. Canada isn't there but it is like some states in the US and heading in that direction.

    When it comes to freedom you can't give an INCH without fighting for it. You can't really be sort of free.
     
  31. Travis.s

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    I appreciate your opinion texdanm but you are assuming that the Canadian people don't agree with the gun control laws. The government did try to pass a bunch of new law years back and was rejected buy the people. I don't really see Canadians allowing there firearm to be taken away but we have a different view of what is necessary ( don't need an ak47 to hunt and protect your family when a tikka t3x would work) granted that in a full out fire fight the ak would probably be better. Canadians aren't foolish enough to believe that if we got rid of are guns everything would be better we are not ignorant or naive.
    Thanks for your input on this I can say I agreed with most of it and I didn't know about your laws for your military weapons I never assumed to know about your laws but now I have a little more information on that matter thanks.
     
  32. Old Geezer

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    In high school I was issued a military rifle; age 15. One thing is for sure, we sure spent a lot of time disassembling and reassembling our weapons. We raced. I could field-strip and reassemble my M14 in 45 seconds blindfolded.

    Talk about the cleanest rifles on Earth!
     
  33. Old Geezer

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    Canada has a few critical targets and during a nuke exchange, Canada could get hit. However, Canada is no USA in the realm of target richness. Not even close.
     
  34. Travis.s

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    To be fair never said we had an equal target threat just that it would be a sound strategic move to hit your primary targets neatest allies as well especially considering we share the same continent.
     
  35. Dunmaghlas

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    lol
    Not meaning to send hate mail or anything I just love arguing about gun laws. My Irish side can show in a comment that I intended to be polite. I still stand on my overkill rule tho.

    I need constitutional carry in Michigan too.
     
  36. TexDanm

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    I honestly would never have imagined that the people of Australia and Great Britain would have stood by and let their government strip them of their guns and their right to defend themselves either. The AK and AR rifles that are used by military are not legal in the US for private ownership without special, expensive and hard to get licenses.

    The thing that you don't see as I do is the history of weapons controls. Over and over people in nations all over the world and throughout time have had the same things slowly and insidiously forced on them. It is always done the same. It is reasonable that you don't need a sword to work on your farm or in your shops. You don't need a spear to get by. Then when they come to take you away into slavery you have nothing to fight with. The German people gave up their weapons and then got in line for the ovens. It wasn't just the Jews they killed all sorts of people. In the end the people forced to do the killing were as helpless to resist as the ones that were sent to the ovens.

    Why does your government fear you? Over and over the facts prove that restricting gun ownership to good honest people doesn't make people safer. WHY does your, and my government want you to be helpless. In my belief being free is like virginity. You either are or your are not. If you give up your right to be free and able to defend yourself, even from your own government if they betray you, you are no longer free. They just have not sent you to the ovens yet.

    Study your history. Governments all through history have turned on and betrayed their people. I'm sure that the people of Rome never imagined that their leaders would ever turn on them and then came Nero... History is the story of our FUTURE.
     
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    Do you mean AK and AR rifles used by militaries other than the U.S. Military? I already know for a fact that you don't need any kind of license to get an AR15 because my brother bought one right when he turned 18. and yes it was labeled as military grade, which usually just means it has a supped up trigger, charging rod, and whatnot. also my uncle bought an AK47 from a dealer a few months ago and he doesn't have any kind of license other than hunter's
     
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    I s canada safe , yes very much so
    1) the homicid rate in canada is 2 per 100,000 here as the usa is 5 per 100,000 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5
    2) could people come in after the shitf yes they could but their chances of making are very poor , the cities will be a waste land, they could then try and go to the north land but their chances of adapting to the life the after the fact is very poor, they have to learn subarctic survival , building a fire in the snow is a skill that very people have, or how to build a quinzhee
    , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinzhee how to hunt in the north land moose deer and caribou , this is not some thing you pit up by reading a book.
    3) gun laws yes we do have gun laws but i like them and so do most canadians. one of the trouble the the usa has is that every nut job can do out and get a gun, i think this is really why we have 2 per 100,000 where as the americans have 2 1/2 times that amount. basically we are the same people but the easy access to guns causes this rate increase.
     
  39. Old Geezer

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    https://thesocietypages.org/files/2013/08/Homicide-Fig-3_new.png

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    Our murder rates here in the United States are very high due to young black men killing-off other young black men. The rate of gun ownership is FAR higher among whites than blacks.

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    "basically we are the same people but the easy access to guns causes this rate increase"

    Deeply incredibly incorrect.

    Truth is, the rate of firearms ownership has nothing to do with homicide rates.

    And oh by the way, poverty does NOT cause crime. Crime causes poverty.
     
  40. TexDanm

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    An AR-15 is a TOTALLY demilitarized civilian version of the M-16. The American Military has NEVER issued an AR-15 to any military troops. NEVER WILL. A military AK-47 has a full automatic capacity that is not allowed in ANY rifle made for civilian sale. An AR-15 is no more a military assault Rifle than my Ruger 10-22. You make the same silly mistake that people make all the time of thinking that advertising statements are based on truths. Commercial grade washers and dryers are exactly the same inside as the purely residential machines. Vintage items basically means nothing. Sometimes it means used and sometimes it means that it is crapo that is made to look like old things. I can get you a fully militarized gun that only shoots airsoft ammo.

    The honest truth, and I tell you this from decades of experience with guns and doing gunsmith work, military weapons are not better than civilian weapons. In general military rifles are different from civilian weapons in that they are heavier, less accurate, and intended for things other than just killing people. In order to make them function dependably at a high rate of fire they are made looser than a semiautomatic weapon needs to be. The accuracy of an off the shelf civilian rifle is generally more accurate. Hunting guns specialize in placing one bullet in exactly the right place. The venerable old army 45 ACP as issued was nothing like a well made colt 1911 sold in gun stores now. On their good you could throw it in the mud, wipe it off and go right back to shooting. The military M-16 was about the most hated weapon ever issued. Even now most of the people that I know that served in Afghanistan in special forces grabbed an AK-47 every time they had the chance. It has superior stopping power. Military weapons are DESIGNED for use in group actions. If you are not going to be part of a backed up group they are not usually the best choice. Pump shotguns were pretty popular in Vietnam and are still used today. I guess that makes my duck hunting gun military...

    I have been surrounded by guns and people with guns my entire life and have never personally known anyone that actually killed someone other then in the military or in totally justified self defence. I have known three that were murdered. They might would be alive today if they had kept a gun close like I do. Look, you seem to be afraid of guns. The bad old military guns kill people. I have no fear of guns. It is the crazy bad PEOPLE that will try to hurt me that scare the crap out of me and I want the best possible weapon available when I have to protect my family.
     
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  41. TexDanm

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    Holy crud Old Geezer don't you know that those statistics are not only forbidden but racist!!! They are true but to say it is racist.

    Canada IS a fairly safe place to live but so is the United States if you are not Black. The good news, if such could be said to be good in any way, is that the young blacks mostly DO kill black people. Black lives matter...just not to other black people. So incredibly sad. Generation after generation following down the same old tired path.

    If you look at places in the US that have a similar 2.5% percentage of Black people you would see that it is as safe here with the guns as it is in Canada without the guns.
     
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  42. Old Geezer

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    Anything that breaks up families degrades civilization itself. LBJ's Great Society begun in the 1960s provided paychecks to mothers abandoned by their children's father. These mothers were NOT required to name the father and thus, the father of these babies were NOT held accountable. The effect of such laws were the same as if a foreign enemy dropped bombs on American inner cities.

    Teenage boys require strict discipline. No fathers nor any positive male images = chaos and violence!
     
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  43. Travis.s

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    Anyway the bottom line is if you plan to head over the border just remember that we are not immune to disasters and if are government is still intact you may not be allowed some of your weapons due to are laws.
     
  44. TexDanm

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    Basically if I could handle the winters I would seriously consider British Columbia if things went sideways. Canada has so much to offer its people and understand, at no point was I denigrating your great nation. I just fear for you and don't have your trust that my government or yours has our best interest in mind.
     
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    I've yet to experience good governance in any country that I've ever lived in or visited. Nearly all politicians seem to be in it for themselves and furthering their own agenda rather than the good of the people or country.
    Up until the end of the Great War any adult in Britain could walk into a hardware shop and buy a firearm or ammunition without even identifying themselves. This wasn't a right enshrined in law, simply that no one had any reason to legislate against it before that time. (Prior to that the only firearms legislation in the UK was to prevent any person approaching the monarch while armed, this dates from the reign of Queen Elizabeth the first.)
    Since that time successive governments have made the legal requirements for firearms ownership more onerous and restrictive in the UK. It has been pointed out earlier in this thread that many former British territories have similar laws and approaches to firearms. That is only true up until the 1950's, since then laws and attitudes have begun to diverge. The mistake in understanding British law (and possibly Canadian law) is that firearms legislation and legislation to do with self defence, reasonable force, criminal intent etc. are quite separate (and sometimes appear to be conflicting) rather than being an overarching constitutional right to bear arms in self defence.
    We still have the right to defend ourselves in Britain, we just have to remain within the law which is actually quite simple. As with Canada any use of violence (armed or not) would subsequently be investigated by police.

    As to the original question, in my opinion Canada is probably as safe as anywhere else in the northern hemisphere and is as beautiful a place as you could hope to live.
     
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    TexDanm, in canada we have a government that gives us free of charge education, , medical care, a a long list of other things that american do not get from there government. we have a parliamentary system of government , so if the ruling party did something that the people did not like we could vote them out of office that afternoon. you see most canadians somewhat trust their government. They are not perfect but nothing is.
     
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    There are a lot of things that I feel Canada does right. I think that,in part, the difference we see here is in the nature of the people. Our founding Fathers here had a deep distrust of government. The series of checks and balances that they set in place were mostly to bind the government so it wouldn't be oppressive. Unlike the rest of Great Britain's Colonies we revolted and didn't wait for them to give us our freedom.

    I hope that your trust in your government is justified. The thing is if you let them disarm you and THEN you find out that they are not as trustworthy as you thought the solution can't be fixed in an election. What do you do when they just stop having elections? What if the only people that are on the ballot for you to vote for are just hand picked shells placed and approved by a corrupt government? (This is almost the point we are It has happened many times in the past and WILL happen in the future. People never change.

    You are comfortable with this. That is nice for you...right up until it isn't. I will never place shackles on myself. Even if I'm told that they are there to protect me and make me safe...

    We have free education, I have good health care and insurance, Most of the things that are given to you we get by working and buying them for ourselves. To us that is freedom. I'm sure our cattle feel pretty happy in their feed lots when we are fattening them up for slaughter. We would rather be wild and free even if it means that sometimes things aren't nice or perfect.

    I admit it, we are a troublesome people gathered from all over the world.
     
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    Tex Danm, what a good conversation, a good free exchange of how we see things, I would love to invite you fishing up north and just talk and fish and of course drink Beer.
     
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    This forum is at its best when we can remain civil, factual and talk things through to a logical conclusion. :)
    Our laws have all come about in different ways and for different reasons, this in turn has moulded our attitudes, it's not surprising that there is a wide disparity of opinion but beer and fishing are great common ground.
     
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    You are aware aren't you that your Government doesn't actually GIVE you anything. You pay through the nose for it in the form of taxes. I was in business for almost 30 years and one thing that I learned was that adding a bunch of middlemen between you and your vendors only costs you MORE money. Usually getting any government in charge just about doubles the cost to the consumer versus the price for the same services through private, for profit, based companies.

    This is a common misunderstanding that liberals try hard to promote. The idea that if the Government "gives" it to you it won't cost you anything. Even if they don't recoup the expenses via taxes they will pay their bills with money that they just printed that has no actual value. In the end you pay when inflation caused by this stupidity makes your savings worth a lot less.

    In the end TANSTAAFL "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch!!!!" Grok.

    Yes, we would have a great time fishing. I Love to fish and do it a lot. I also love to sit around a fire have a few beers and discuss the silly problems of the world. By the way, I was not calling you a liberal. We all hear this sort of thing and even say it without thinking. I will tell you from many years of experience in the USA that anything that our government gets involved in costs the consumer massively.

    A few years ago in the US there was a bunch of crud about the Government paying like 300 dollars for hammers and 200 dollars for toilet seats. I have no doubt that the companies that charged this were not making the kind of money that you think they were. If they ordered 500 16 ounce hammers they may well have taken the handles off of 10 of them and weighed the head. If more than one or two of the test sample weighed more than .001 ounce plus or minus they would reject the entire shipment. Hammers are cast and their weigh isn't measured out to three decimal places.

    In order to fulfill the contract they would basically have to turn the hammers into made one at a time specialty items. After you get bit like this a couple of times you bid it from the get go expecting this kind of stupidity. Believe it or not those 300 dollar hammers were probably the lowest bid for the job. After I got burned a couple of times I quit working for the government at ANY level.

    On top of all this they will tell you that they will pay within 120 days. BUT that is 120 days after you have submitted a perfect pay order in triplicate to all of the required places. Fail to cross one T and then call them after 120 days and they will tell you that you have to resubmit and wait another 120 days because of some mostly unnecessarily stupid bit of paperwork. I paid most of my vendors in 30 days and one or two in 60 days. Waiting 8 to 12 months to get my money from them just doesn't work.
     
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