Is Trump Wall A Good Idea

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  1. EarlAlexander

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    Trump administration planned to construct a wall along US-Mexican border in other to reduce illegal movement along the border. The move has been criticized as well as received remarks by people in both United States and in Mexico. What are you view about the wall and do you think the wall has other purposes aside the started once or do you think the wall be not be built.
     
  2. Harry Warren

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    Building a wall along our southern border was one of the promises that was instrumental in getting President Trump elected. This shows that a substantial percentage of the American populace is sick and tired of less than desirable individuals crossing into our country so easily. I think the wall will help if it is built correctly and operated with deterrence in mind. Israel has seen a significant decrease in suicide bombings since it built its wall, so we have a good example to follow.
     
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  3. jeager

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    U.S. citizens living near the boarder are sick and tired of illegals sneaking across the boarder.
    It's been said ranchers have shot and killed illegals and left them to rot.
    Perhaps so. Think about it. Who is going to report an illegal missing?
    To whom?
    Ranchers were weary of illegals stealing from them.
    Illegal means NOT LEGAL thus committing a criminal act by crossing the boarder illegally.
    Immigrants are welcome in the U.S. as long as they come legally.
    Virtually every person not a Native American is an immigrant including my ancestors but they
    came here legally.
    Afro-Americans were brought here by and large against their will but that's another part of American
    history and an ugly part.
    I doubt the proposed wall is a literal wall as in brick and mortar but probably more like
    a very long fence.
    There are huge problems with a wall of any kind.
    Like who is going to police it?
    The Boarder Patrol? Likely but that would mean a huge increase in law enforcement with
    inherent danger to the officers.
    Illegals are often drug smugglers and they will be armed.
    Certainly we the people, the government must do something to stem the flood of illegals.
    Near my N.E. Ohio home is a huge flea market, farmers market.
    200 acres of stands and building.
    ICE raided it looking for just one or two criminals.
    When officers arrived hundreds of illegals fled for the woods leaving stands and booths empty.
    Funny really.
    A large part of the illegal problem is businesses hiring them for very low wages but
    even at that illegals live better here than they did where they came from.
    If the home of the illegals was at least o.k. then why sneak into the U.S.?
    ANY CHILD born on U.S. soil or territory is a citizen.
    Sooooooooooo, pregnant illegals sneak in and squirt out a kid and bingo! It's a citizen.
    Is the illegal mother going to get booted?
    Nope.
    She and the kid will be on the dole living better than where they came from.
    It's a real issue.
    Who foots the bill?
    American taxpayers.
    Except ME!
    I not longer pay taxes as I collect my police retirement which was already taxed and
    social security which is a tax benefit.:D:D
     
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  4. jeager

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    About "sacntuary" cities that accept and harbor illegals.
    Fine and dandy.
    Burglary, theft, RAPE, crimes skyrocketed.
    The same thing happened in Britain when they accepted Muslims fleeing the native land
    for whatever reason.
    You see rape is NOT a crime where they came from.
    Well it is on the books but NO ONE gets prosecuted and the victim is treated as a whore
    sometimes being beaten by Muslim women for allowing herself to be raped.
    Really!?

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/islamic-rape-gangs-a-global-phenomenon-126107/

    Denmark welcomed Islamic "refugees".
    Indeed, more than half(jihadwatch.org/2012/07/rape-jihad-in-denmark-more-than-half-of-all-convicted-rapists-have-immigrant-backgrounds-iraqis-iran") of all convicted rapists in Denmark have an immigrant background, according to official statistics, despite the fact that immigrants and their descendants account for less than 10 per cent of the population. “Iraqis, Iranians, Turks and Somalis are dramatically overrepresented among convicted rapists in Denmark,” reports BT.dk."

    BUILD THE FREAKIN' WALL!
    Then hire Border Patrol to police it.

    The price of freedom is never cheap.
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    Wall or no wall, next time Mexico falls into chaos, millions will stream into the USA. Mexico is waaaaaay overdue for its next civil war / political collapse. Historically they have such every 50 years -- well that line was crossed long ago and look at all the narco-wars getting hotter and hotter every day down Mexico way. What with the poverty and population being what it is in Mexico, the next blow-out is going to be unimaginable.
     
  6. jeager

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    Revolution and corruption is a way of life and ingrained in the culture of Mexico.
     
  7. CivilDefense

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    Construction of a physical barrier to help defend a border has done by many societies, past and present. Some, like in Israel, are very effective. Completing the border wall is one part of defending our border, but it is not the be-all and end-all, and the administration has advocated other measures. Electronic and aerial surveillance will help. Even better is ending the draw to come with employee e-verify (with stiff penalties who violate it), ending welfare payments to illegal aliens, tough sentencing for drug traffickers, ending funding for sanctuary cities that are wilfully violating the law, etc.
     
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  8. jeager

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    In Israel anyone sneaking, violating the border is shot.
    Survivors shot again.
    A fine effective policy.
    We should adopt that policy.
    Islamic terrorists learned long ago to get into the U.S. via Mexico.
    Does anyone really think the corrupt, unfriendly, Mexican government really gives
    a fat rats patoot if Americans die by terrorists.
    Hardly.
    People escaping poverty from South American and happily "escorted" out of Mexico into
    the U.S.
    Even U.S. welfare is much better than the standard of living in South American countries.
    An exception is Belize that welcomes retired Americans.
    Money don'cha'know.
    Great prices on housing in Belize.
    I know three fellows that retired from General Motors that moved there.
     
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  9. jeager

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    A wall???
    The Great Wall of China for example.
    The huge problem was defending a 7,000 mile wall.
     
  10. EarlAlexander

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    Don't you think that the wall should not only be built along US-Mexican border but also be built at the northern border with Canada, or is it that Mexicans are the only once that cannot control terrorist or are having troops of immigrants into the United States.
     
  11. OursIsTheFury

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    Walls never seem to solve anything. If anything, the mere presence of walls are seen by the people on the outside as a challenge, since they are more likely to find ways to bypass or even break down the barrier you have created. I think a wall - a literal wall - is a terrible idea, since it would waste a lot of money for a structure that can easily be bypassed by people who put enough effort into it. A stricter and more expansive network of security would be better, and monitoring those who enter and leave the lines would be a much more effective and efficient way to solve the problem of illegal citizens or whatever it is that they think is the threat to their country.
     
  12. jeager

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    I seriously doubt the Canadians "sneak: into the U.S.
    The Canadians enjoy the socialist government, free medical care and only whine about
    the taxes that pay for the socialist government.
    I've spent a lot of time in the far north and they HATE Americans but LOVE our money.
    Professional, educated, Canadians come to the U.S. in droves for better pay and less taxes.
    Florida hosts many thousands of Canadians.
    I go to our home in Florida several times a year and know many transplanted Canadians.
     
  13. WildSpirit

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    I think the best question would be: "For whom would this wall be useful?"

    The idea of building that wall was just one of the stupid ideas of that insane mind he has. It's clear that a wall built for that purpose is a total idiocy. I am struck by the fact that there are millions of people who agree with him (this is so sad and worrying at the same time :oops:).
     
  14. jeager

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    What does that say about the "insane" minds that elected Trump?
     
  15. jeager

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    We had an election. Someone won, someone lost.
    Get over it.
     
  16. kamar19

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    I don't think the wall is going to solve anything, people have figured out how to get into America for years, and a wall is not gonna stop Mexicans from coming over to the US, and to be honest Mexico once owned CA as well as other regions of the US, so who's country is this really?
     
  17. jeager

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    This was once Mexico.

    I doubt a wall will stop illegal immigration.
     
  18. kgord

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    What is to prevent people from going under the wall? Where there is a will there is a way. Also, what about the money it will take to construct the wall? The US is broke as it is. People don't understand what a massive undertaking this wall would be. I think a better idea would be to take that money and build up industry in Mexico making it less likely that illegals want to come here. However, do not export any US jobs there in order to do so.
     
  19. jeager

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    The "wall" is a horrible idea and I wish President Trump had never promised such a
    ridiculous idea.

    Armed guards and land mines are far cheaper.
     
  20. GS AutoTech

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    Read some history. Texas & California Chose to join the Union.
     
  21. John Grit

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    There is a reason people are fleeing Mexico. I's a hellhole. And it's a hellhole because it's full of Mexicans! When they come here, the only jobs they can get are below poverty level gobs. Not only are they uneducated and unskilled, they are illegal, so what jobs are available to them? Picking oranges? Construction? Do you want them building your home? They cannot even use a measuring tape. Poor people usually resort to crime. Drugs is the most common. And the sex trade. Sometimes even sex slaves! Do we really want the US to become a hellhole like Mexico? Some sort of wall is already being built. He will not get all he wants, but he is already getting some of that wall. BTW, Mexico contributed nothing during WW11. Mexico has always ben a leach on our back. Some South American countries allowed Nazis to stay in their country after the war. They were allowed to escape justice and enjoy all those years, thanks to the South Americans. I do not want them here. And we have too many uneducated, poor people already. We need educated people who value freedom, not free things paid for with tax dollars.
     
  22. John Grit

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    Hillary sold tons of nuclear weapons fuel to Russia!!!! She put millions of Americans in danger of a nuclear Holocaust! She is married to a rapist! Yet, she is always screaming about gender equality. Trump flushes more IQ everyday than most Democrats have in their head. The fact FDR sent a shipload of Jewish children back to Hitler to die should condemn the Democrat Party to Hell. More proof Democrats are insane and stupid is the fact they now say the Republican Party is the party of the KKK! The Republican Party was started by people who wanted to end slavery!!! That's why when Lincoln was elected the South revolted. They saw what was coming.

    FDR, the Democrat Party's God, was the REAL racist and Jew hater! Destroying Civil War monuments is OK. But destroy FDR's monuments first. The SCOTUS ruled many times against his unconstitutional "New Deal." He responded by saying he had the power to open up more seats on the SCOTUS and put Socialist friend in power. Only then did they back off and let him force Socialism on us. It is tax slavery. The same party that loved black slavery gave us tax slavery. The same man who gave us unconstitutional gun laws, sent a shipload of Jewish children back to Hitler to die! I do not think he was trying to "save lives" with his unconstitutional gun laws.

    Some historians say FDR set us up for the Pearl Harbor attack. He wanted it to be so bad, the people would finally support saving England. Admirals wanted to keep more ships at sea, so they would not be sitting ducks. FDR said no. We had cut Japan's oil off. They had to react. Cutting Japan's oil off was one of the few things FDR did that was good. Japanese soldiers were cutting men's sex organs of and women's breasts off while they were tied to posts! They recorded it in front of cameras. You can go online now and see those horrible sadistic acts. That is what happens when the people are not allowed to have guns. That is what happens when you do not have a constitutionally limited government. Limited to the "enumerated powers" only. That means no "social programs." No tax slavery. No "New Deal," and no "Great Society."

    LBJ called DR King the "N" word to his face. LBJ also supported gun laws (like the other racist, FDR did). DR. King belonged to the NRA. The famous actor, Charleston Hesston, marched with DR King when he was a young actor, risking his carrier, and his life. He later became the president of the NRA. Then he was also called racist! And he and his family got death threats for supporting the Second Amendment. The NRA is now being called racist. BS! The NRA is America's first and most powerful civil rights movement. There are tens of millions of gun owners; that is the only reason they haven't taken our guns. What are they going to do when we do not turn them in? How bloody are they willing to get to enforce unconstitutional gun laws? They cannot do what FDR did to the Japanese Americans. There are too many of us. And we have guns. And we will fight back! A Jewish Holocaust survivor warned to never let the Jew-hating Democrats take our guns! Yes, I know many Jews now support the Democrat Party. They need to grow up and get educated. The quickest way for a white man to get hanged was to be caught selling guns to Indians or freed slaves. The one man who was against the Second Amendment was worried freed salves would be allowed to carry guns with them "wherever they go."

    Why do the Democrats want more illegals from poor countries in? They need more uneducated poor voters who vote Democrat! That's why! Americans have become too prosperous. They do not need anymore leach programs. So why vote Democrat?
     
  23. John Grit

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    I must agree about the armed guards. But land mines have ben outlawed since about WW11. They should be treated as an invading army. Warn them for months they will be shot on sight. And then if they still come, shoot them. It would take only about a dozen being shot and they will stop invading us! All adults should be shot as invaders. Dozens die in the deserts trying to cross. Thousands are raped and killed by other Mexicans. A dozen or two being shot is nothing. It will stop the invasion and save a lot of lives, both Mexican and American.
     
  24. Oldguy

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    The way I see it is that you choose who enters your house and they need to knock and get permission to enter.
    what happens to home invaders?

    Same as country invaders, larger scale same principle, they need to ask and get permission BEFORE they attempt to enter.
     
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  25. John Grit

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    Why didn't you show us a map of America before Spain invaded what is now "Mexico and Florida and Cuba?" (Along with a few South American countries.) Should we give all of the North American Continent back to the Natives? And France invaded America, too. But France, Mexico, and England lost: we won. As for walls, A little Jewish country can tell you about walls. And there was a wall that spit Germany for generations. And the Great Wall of China worked for a very, very, long time! There is a reason Americans are not invading Mexico everyday, like they are us: It is a hellhole. Why? The same reason Nazi Germany was a hellhole. Germany was full of Nazis - Mexico is full of Mexicans.
     
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