Is Trump Wall A Good Idea

The US never signed and is not a party to that treaty. We do choose to follow it's provisions, but we can change that choice at any time.

 

It needs to be part of a comprehensive approach; just building a wall won't stop them. Electronics will help along with increased border patrols. But other changes need to compliment it. The companies that use the illegal workforce need help finding legal workers and they also need to be punished for using the illegals; Trump's own businesses have knowingly used illegals rather than pay fair wages to legal workers. Change the laws so that only children born to legal US citizens, are born as US citizens. Change the laws so that repeat offenders, the criminals that are caught again and again, sent back to Mexico only to return months later are punished so severely that it doesn't pay for them to do it. Even paying Mexico $10 dollars a day per prisoner, to make sure the people stay in the Mexican prisons, would be much cheaper than keeping them in our prison systems. Plus Mexican prisons have a notorious history of being very cruel. Or make it so that the second time a criminal that is illegally in the country is caught breaking our laws, is given a mandatory death sentence that cannot be commuted and must be carried out within 3 months. When a person in Japan is sentenced to death, they are given 1 year for appeals; at the end of the year if they are still in prison, they die.

The wall has to be a component of a larger approach. Are Americans willing to pay higher prices for goods and services that come from illegal immigrants because the companies either can't find Americans willing to do the work, or won't pay fair prices to Americans to do the work?? US corporations hold a high degree of the blame as they try and skirt US labor laws, circumventing normal routes as they bring in cheap help from other countries instead of paying American workers a good wage. I work very closely with the agricultural sector and see how hard it is for them to find workers that want to do the work, even when they are being paid a good wage.........too many Americans don't want to do such hard work. Many Americans would rather take unemployment benefits or welfare, rather than "work" like an immigrant. Everyone has heard people complaining about how the immigrants are taking their jobs, but only those "jobs" the Americans are willing to do. During harvest season the farmers are always looking for help but the work is too hard or dirty for most Americans, so they're willing to let the immigrants do "those" jobs.

We also need to make it easier for the people that want to legally enter, do the work that's required to get their citizenship. Building a wall will fail, if that's the only aspect of our change to dealing with the people who want a better life.

 

The purpose of a wall is the same as having a door with a lock on the front of your house/home. It is a border that is a symbol more than an actual barrier. As my Dad used to say, a lock is there to keep honest people out. A thief will have no problems bypassing most any lock that you can buy. Now, that symbolic barrier DOES do one very important thing. When someone breaches it they are declaring that they are NOT there for a friendly visit. In a place where people are free and have the basic human right to defend themselves you now should have the right to use force to remove them from your home.

Any wall we can build can be dug under or climbed over. It is simple, when they step foot into our home we should kill them on sight. Minefields would work well. If someone knocks on my door and introduces themselves they have nothing to fear from me. Anyone that kicks in my door or climbs in a window uninvited is a dead man walking if I catch them. My home, my country, it is all the same...

 

Since the Feds don't want to do anything Texas has gone to plan B with 6 of these patrolling our border.With twin 30 cal machineguns fore and aft and a couple of 50s, this is how Texans say NO to drugs coming across the border...


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lonewolf....

I usually let this kind of thing go....but at times I will speak up....

You are English...no problem with that....but I know something about the UK and what they have done there..and are also trying to do here......drive God out of any and all discussions.

As an Englishman ..I would not expect you to know what is in the Declaration of Independence....

To be fair ....many Amerians are so dumbed down today by a similar educational system as you have in the UK...they do not know what is in the Declaration of Independence..but know much much more about Sports and what the Kardashians are doing.

However...people like me and many on this board know what is in there..and have not forgotten..it has not been driven out of us by English/secular style public education....ie....gas lighting.

Here...these words...in particular..

There are still a great number of people on this board or forum who take those words seriously.

And there are those of us also who are well versed in not only Pagan theologys but Occult theology and history as well....and the origins of it....as well as it's relationship to secular practices today.
We know why many do not want the Creator mentioned in any and everything.

Americans are not Englishmen....while we have a kindred spirit...behind certain English History....and what it means to us....we also know how far England has Fallen in this and the last century and have no wish to follow suit.

Some of us lonewolf ..also know why the UK has fallen....and see the same "Usual Suspects" trying to do the same here in America....ply their "Fallen Secular Trade."

We also know why Israel fell by 70 AD....and for the same reason the UK is fallen....Europe too.
Secularism...they can Stand for nothing....and it shows. Capital S used here.
They have lost their Salt. Capital S again.

There are still people here lonewolf....who know that our "Rights " are From The Creator...not from a man made Sovereign...as subjects...of said Sovereign.

And these rights are not accidental....and so listed in our first Ten Amendments....also so listed in the Declaration of Independence as coming from The Creator.......Life , Liberty , and Pursuit of Happiness....private ownership of Property.


Someone is trying to drive this out of most Americans today.....lonewolf... and replace it with socialist secularism....secular Humanism......which is ruled by the courts here as a religion....though most Americans are so ignorant they do not even know this happened in our court systems.

But how about those Kardashians???


I can see with my own eyes here lonewolf...which of these leftist democrat politicians running for President are secularists..by looking for their deadness and inertness..it shows to the trained eye.
They will be promoting bondage...economic/social bondage...Ishmael.




And so too do some of us see it here...on these boards...as some try to remove the Salt out of us...and replace it with sugar.
Herding....


My non Ishmaelite .02,
Watcherchris

 

Here in the U.S. we cherish our freedom and guns . Most on this forum from the U.S. want freedom "not communism " . The wall is a tool to help us fight foreign takeover from people that do not share this view . We can see how the invaders ruined their own countries and now want to flee to a more successful nation . We are already on a slow burning fuse for those wanting to turn the U.S. into a country like the one they want to flee from . Think Venezuela or the rampant murdering drug cartel run Mexico .

 

You discriminate against people based on their religious beliefs??? Wow!!

You would deny the history of mankind....of men with written records....

An archeologist will often determine if a site is animal or human by looking for signs of worship...this is how they know.


Peoples religious beliefs guide them on any topic...you want to discuss...any topic....to deny that is to deny human.

I worry about you at times Lonewolf.

It does not mean one need agree........and educated disciplined people can disagree in a civilized manner..


Well......you can tell I am verily stuck on the Kardashians....or even Football....European or American..style.....cant wait for the next game...or the next episode of the Kardashians....

Thanks,
Watacherchris
Not an Ishmaelite.


By the way...before I forget...I made a post awhile back....wherein the topic being discussed was Stanley Kubricks 2001 a Space Odyssey ..and also 2010 continued Space Odyessy....Arthur C. Clark.

Most people would not have a clue that when you watched those movies...you have been to church...they were both Church Sermons.........

The question is what is the religion being preached behind the big black block with the radio 1 x 4 x 9....???

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First of my Draw Knives came in the mail today....also my new fold up antenna for my Baofeng Walkie talkie. I tried it out at short range here today..about 4 miles..simlex..it worked fine.

Going to try it out at some 8 plus miles of range when I use it at work during some slack time. Will take it up top of a building some 85 feet in the air...again simplex mode.

Working to reload some 76 rounds of .45 ACP ammo. Have cases de primed and sized.

 

Chris, did you forget to take your meds again today? LOL, just kidding but you totally lost me with that last post. I do agree with Lone Wolf here, We need to start a topic about the place that religion plays in both the Government and world events.

That said, Lone Wolf, in the US Religious freedom has always been a problem. We try to keep church and State separate but it just isn't always possible. The "WALL" represents more than just a physical barrriar. It is a philosophical decision about what America is and what it is not.

Historically we have gladly accepted the poor and downtrodden from all over the world. Happy contented people don't just decide one day to leave their homes and migrate to another country. In the past, these people came here and regardless of the originating home they came here to work and become a part of our country. We have people of all faiths and races and in general, have managed to live together in peace.

The problem that we face now is that the people that are coming here are not wanting to work and become a part of our society. They are forcing their way in and then want us to GIVE them all the things that our forefathers have worked for. We don't need and can not support millions of illiterate lazy losers. The US doesn't have infinite wealth that can just be given away like Trick or Treat Candy on Halloween. The walls are not for keeping out the true immigrants that we NEED.

The wall is needed to keep out the terrorists, drug dealers and those that just want to come and be parasites. Parasites can be as deadly as terrorists. We already have plenty of those and they are breeding like rats. We don't need and can't afford to take in all the parasites of the world and shouldn't be expected to do so.

What this has to do with Religion is simple. Charity and a willingness to help has always been a big part of what being an American is. Unfortunately, that willingness is being abused. As Americans, we, on one hand, feel a need to help those in need. On the other hand, if we give away our freedom to terrorists we will be lost. Liberals are using this in their effort to destroy the culture we have. They want to bring in terrorists, and parasites so that they can create dissension and misery. From that cesspool, they think that they will be able to wrest control from the "people" and then rule us from their ivory towers. This has already happened in Great Brittian and most of Europe. We are still fighting it here.

The "Wall" is an effort to limit the flood of people into our country that has nothing to offer and only want to TAKE rather than work to EARN what we have. As Americans, we may feel that we need to be charitable but that should not include us allowing others to come and rob and kill us.

Texas doesn't really need a wall except that the federal government under the Clintons and Obummer refused to allow us to close our borders as we have done in the past. As far as most of us are concerned if you shoot invaders on sight they will and in the past have stopped coming. The Feds have restricted our border patrol to almost being limited to saying "Please don't trespass here!" and then not doing anything if they resist or attack us.

If attacked the border patrol is in an undeniable position. If they fight back and harm an invader the Federal Government may arrest and prosecute them. THIS has happened! It is like the cops in Baltimore, Chicago and many of the other distressed cities. If a black attacks a cop or resists arrest and he defends him or herself they may end up being prosecuted. From what I've read the cops have basically pulled back and just come to collect the bodies in the ghettos these days. THIS is what the open borders will eventually do for the entire country.

The liberals want to import the endless misery that is now Mexico and so many of the Middle Eastern Nations. The "wall" is the antithesis of their plan so they resist it. I would hate for America to lose its charitable nature but we need to stop being fools. Conservatives need to take a stand and CONSERVE our culture what we can. If the Liberals want to give the country away let them have their way and let the rest of us reform into a separate nation. they will not want this because without the conservatives who is going to protect them and do the work?

 

Restricting religion from all topics is a non starter. Many topics have religious over and/or undertones. Especially if any topic starts getting into the "why" of whatever the discussion is. Especially since 1962, there has been a concerted effort to remove God from the public square including any and all "serious" discussions. IMO, removing God from the public milieu is one of the main reasons for our current descent into the depths of depravity we currently see on the news on a daily basis.

 

Hey, Tex...here's a little help from your neighbors.

 

TexDanm,

I agree with most of your last post..but this.....,

We need to be very very careful with this one as it is often misused to day against Americans themselves...who know so little history as to why this came about in our Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

Today it is often used and misused by "intellects" to herd Americans into silence...when it was intended as a limit on government...not the people...and this is so seldom clarified to the public..to keep them ignorant.

I know this history and that it as an Englishman who was very very instrumental in setting this precedent for us here in America about Separation of Church and state....by the Execution of an English King.

I also know that this is a history no one wants us to know ...and for good reason...governmental Job Security...by keeping people ignorant....of what history teaches.

Your points about the wall and having Americans unlimited paying for people coming into America is economic bondage and involuntary servitude....is correct.

It becomes absolute power in the hands of a whorish government to put our people into economic bondage to continually pay for this....slavery...of the American People.

Exactly what the English King was trying to do in solidifying his power over the country before he was executed for treason after a very bloody English Civil War....solidify his power under Divine Right of Kings...absolute power from God....power unlimited...

And I will remind the readers and members here ...this is precisely what someone is willing to risk in America....Civil War...division ..not unity....as history repeats itself...towards absolute power to put Americans paying in perpetuity...for immigrants...for votes.

Make no mistake..this is a religion at work...a very devout religion willing to put Americans into social and economic bondage to buy votes for one political party.

It is a type of devout and zealous religious whoredom willing to put Americans into social and economic bondage for votes and power...to put Americans into second, third , and fourth place ...just exactly as is happening in the UK and on the Continent with immigration....

You are looking at another form of Clowrd/Piven Strategy taking place to bind Americans socially and economically to pay for this in perpetuity...bondage....slavery ...Ishmael.

And this is the fruit of a zealous and deceitful religion taking place...right in front of us..for which few recognize it as it is happening.

It is being hidden and couched on the backs of Americans as touchy feely guilt and shame religion...as is so much on the American power/political landscape today...Identity politics.

Be Warned about Identity Politics..it is often whoredom..political economic whoredom...Herding people for political.social lucre.

This is where your religion comes in...and the history behind it.....for it was an Englishman who set this example for us here in America...a Puritan Englishman....instrumental in turning on a king....and ending Absolute Power.....Diving Right of Kings..in the western world.

And I believe no one wants us to know this history....or about religion behind it.


My non Ishmaelite .02,

Watcherchris