Knife Attack, Disabled Car, Defense Ideas Sought

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  1. Old Geezer

    Old Geezer Legendary Survivalist
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    A news item coming out of the U.K. contained the following video, link provided. So a fellow in a car provokes a road rage and wrecks his car. This leaves the man stuck in his car with an aggressor outside the car trying to bash-in his car windows with the butt of a huge knife.

    Why the windows didn't break is an utter mystery to me; fabulous glass?, protective angels?, distilled luck?, ... The aggressor in this situation should have succeeded in breaking into the disabled car. Also serendipitous to the driver was that he was able to get out of the car and run away -- miracle, absolute total miracle. This doesn't happen. A driver attempting to run away in 90% of such cases would definitely have been caught, hacked, and stabbed.

    So, here's the video (this has been reported all across the internet):

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-engl...pts-to-smash-car-window-with-knife-in-croydon

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...ie-knife-on-car-in-south-london-a3852896.html


    Now let us suppose that the person in a disabled car is you. Whatever his or their motivation, aggressors are attacking your car. Let's face facts, you cannot get out and run -- especially if you are without a weapon, a repeating firearm of some sort. Speaking of which, you are living in an oppressor country where you are not allowed a firearm for self defense.

    Now to the questions arising:

    > Would some improvised weapon suffice? If so, what would it be? Many of you already have such defensive weapons. Did you purchase the weapon or did you make your own?

    > How about a rigid shield or Kevlar material? Any of you have ideas, or already have discovered such a protective device?

    > Stun guns? Are stun guns illegal to carry in your country? Here in America, a lot of folk, mainly women, carry stun guns in lieu of a firearm (they can't or won't carry a firearm). There are also stun batons. In an automobile interior, you can't use tear gas or pepper spray, else you will nuke your own self. And here's a question, how do you stun the attacker while he is trying to saw off your arm?!

    As for me, I keep a spare jacket and rain parka in my car. These I would try to wrap an arm with if I had time. Weapons, I have a large folding knife (kept as a tool), an ice pick (kept as a tool), and a steering wheel locking bar that is heavy steel. Currently, I do not carry a firearm; however when times get tough, I will. In another state, I had my carry permit.
     
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  2. lonewolf

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    someone attacks me with a knife and i'm in my car i'll just run them over, pure and simple.
    by the way I don't think the car in the news was disabled, he'd just pulled out of a parking space and was in traffic, or that's what it said on the news.
    that knife is very similar to one you can buy online for under £20.
     
  3. TexDanm

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    First off the glass didn't break because it is tempered safety glass. If he had stabbed it straight on it would have shattered but trying to slash it was just stupid.

    I am NEVER without several forms of weapons and protection. If you take away my gun, sword, knife and brass knuckles you still have to deal with a heavy walking cane, Trenching tool, Giant screwdriver, 20 oz ripping hammer or 2 piece pool Cue stick. I have to admit that the cue stick is a long time favorite and with the leaded butt end is a devastating club.

    No matter where you are there are always things that you can carry that while innocent are great weapons. A ball glove and bat, A couple of golf balls and a nine iron, a garden hoe gloves and some plant seeds, Wasp spray, Hair spray and a lighter (A flamethrower in the face of an attacker WILL get them away from you or out of your car), A jar of hot sliced jalapenos (throw it in their face), An empty wine bottle... the list is endless and just takes a little thinking ahead of time.
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    There are lots of videos currently on the web showing what happened.

    The driver drove his tiny car right into the back of a delivery truck; must have killed his engine and/or trapped the small car.

    This is just one way one can get trapped in their car. At the state fairs in Iowa and Wisconsin, people were stuck in massive traffic jams when attacked by hoards of aggressors. In a SHTF situation, people's cars are going to be trapped in massive traffic jams. When that happens, they will be robbed of anything of value.

    Preppers will be armed in their vehicles and will shoot the savages breaking in. However, there are many police-states that forbid self-defense, making the black market price of firearms go through the roof. Question is, sans firearm, what can one keep in their car to defend their selves?

    Were I in such a situation, I'd like to have a short spear and shield somewhat smaller than a trashcan lid. Maybe if I could make a few attackers bleed like a stuck hog, the rest might back off.
     
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  5. Old Geezer

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    I re-watched the video and it seems the attacker was not using the butt of the knife like a hammer often enough, maybe once or twice. Had he simply used the butt of the knife, he could have busted through the safety glass. Safety glass breaks, however the shattered glass is held together by the inner plastic. After it breaks what is left can be shoved into the car.



     
  6. TexDanm

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    I have a knife in each of my vehicles that have a "glass breaker" on their butt end. Tempered glass is TOUGH but if you poke it with a point it will shatter pretty easily. The big glass doors they have on stores can take a blow from a hammer but if you poke them they turn into little cubes.

    My familly was in the window, door, glass and mirror business. I remember when they came out with tempered glass and made it LAW that patio door panels and bathtub doors had to be tempered. We took all the untempered ones and built my Uncle the prettiest green house you ever saw. I remember when glass doors used to kill people pretty often because they would walk into them and when regular glass breaks it will cut you up. If you walk into a tempered glass patio door you will usually bounce off with a bloody nose. IF it breaks it shatters into tiny little pieces that aren't even sharp.

    One of the strange things about tempered glass is that occasionally a sudden temperature change will cause them to just spontaneously shatter.
     
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  7. Keith H.

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    I started this record just last month, here is a list of car jackings, assaults, rapes & murder. Being here in Australia, as Old Geezer said, it is illegal here to carry anything for self defence.
    I am not likely to be in the unfortunate position of being trapped in my car. Being 4WD with a bull bar I can pretty much smash my way out of most situations.
    What do I carry? Bunch of keys, walking stick, car jack & lever behind the back seat. This vehicle is a twin cab truck, so I have four doors for exit if needs be.
    If I am driving my other 4WD truck, which happens occasionally, then it is a single cab but I have two block busters behind the seat plus a winch handle. The winch handle would be the best bet. Light enough for a quick return but heavy enough to take someone out, & it has some length to it. This vehicle also has a good bull bar so I can shunt my way out of between vehicles if I have to.
    Keith.
    Home Invasions & Assaults 2018 list too long for this forum, it will not post!
     
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  8. TexDanm

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    I used to carry a long break over bar in my truck for breaking the lug nuts loose. The kids with the air driven impacts would get the lug nuts so tight that a regular lug wrench was useless. That break over bar was about like carrying a crow bar and was a good "multi" use tool that was perfectly legal.

    https://www.amazon.com/Neiko-00206A-Premium-Breaker-Length/dp/B001222378/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528316104&sr=8-1&keywords=break+over+bar+1/2

    My favorite "tool" is my big screwdriver/pry bar. It looks like this except it is straight instead of bent on the end. At about 3'/1 meter it is a great weapon.

    https://www.amazon.com/Performance-...1528316320&sr=1-9&keywords=long+heavy+pry+bar
     
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  9. TexDanm

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    Another really good, effective and totally legal close quarters weapon is a sock with a couple of rolls of quarters in it. If you want it to be a skull cracker you use rolled coins. If you want more of a stunner you use loose coins. I have always and still do carry a couple of rolls of coins in my truck. For one thing that means I always have some cash, I carry rolls of dollar coins these days, and for another a roll of coins in your fist makes your hits have more authority. In prison a lock in a sock or batteries in a sock are deadly weapons. If you just want to make an impression you put a bar of soap in the sock.

    I can't imagine a situation where a cop could say that possession of coins would be an illegal weapon. I like my coins, they are always there and are great to have.
     
  10. Ken S LaTrans

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    I can't envision a time when I wouldn't be legally armed. I live in Arizona, and I am a retired police officer and as such have a LEOSA permit which is good nationwide. I always carry. Period. Full size Glock, 2 spare mags, a backup gun, and a knife. If you want to dig deeper in my truck...there are a couple more long guns in there too.
     
  11. Ystranc

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    Basically I think the moron with the knife was trying to scare the crap out of the kid in the car rather then make a determined attempt to get in and stab him. Unfortunately there are far to many cretins like that on the streets these days.
    One thing to bear in mind while driving in an inner city is that if the car window had been partially open it would most likely have broken much more easily, driving with your car windows closed also gives the whole car greater structural integrity in case of a collision.
    As regards a legal weapon, I always have a wheelbrace and an aerosol can of WD40 under my car seat.
     
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  12. lonewolf

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    this item was some time ago now, it happened in Croydon in London, London has had over 70 deaths by stabbing so far this year and its only July.
    Cities are good places to avoid, only go there if you REALLY have to then use situational awareness. go in, do what you have to, then get out again as fast as you can.
    I haven't been in a city of any sort for 20 years and avoid them like the plague.
     
  13. Morgan101

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    In my car I have Pepper Spray, and an old Police nightstick/bataan. On my person I have a folding knife that is with me all the time. Did I miss something in the post? My first inclination would be to get on the cell phone and call 9-1-1. Was that not an option? After calling 911 I would look for ways to exit the car safely, and defend myself in the process.
     
  14. Sonofliberty

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    I EDC a 9mm and have other weapons in the van. If they didn't bring guns to the party.....well it will be a short but very loud party.
     
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    No fair!! o_O I thought guns were off the table. If that is the case then meet two of my best friends: Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson. With me all the time.
     
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  16. Old Geezer

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    Have masonry items in vehicle, small bag of concrete mix, a level, marking string, ..., and a masonry hammer. You do home masonry work, right? Right! So, you need a masonry hammer, right? Right!

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  17. Snyper

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    I like Estwing hammers:
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  18. Old Geezer

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    Yeah, vertical blades, easier to swing at high speed; they're like a tomahawk. Neat.

    I like the masonry hammers for ... well ... masonry work. I hate masonry work, simply hate it, yet ...

    As a weapon against man or beast, the horizontal blade of the masonry hammer gets between ribs. One sees on TV people easily putting a knife between ribs ... vertically! NO no no no no! Total fantasy!

    You gotta turn a rifle sideways and jam with super-human force to put a bayonet into the chest cavity! And maybe the guy's wearing a thick leather (real leather) coat.

    A horizontal blade also cuts betwixt spinal vertebrae. Like cutting the cervical spine from behind. You got one shot at this.

    Ice pick? Really?! Think about this. The .32 was once the caliber of choice (usually an auto; fixed barrel means easy to thread for a suppressor). Does the .32 expand? No. Did it work? Obviously the answer is YES. Bobby caught one round of .22 mag. behind his ear in 1968 and we all know how that turned out.

    Used to, some wet-job wonders would put an ice pick (better/thicker is the awl) up a stool pigeon's nose and then use the heel of his hand to drive it up into the guy's brain pan. Surprisingly, this doesn't always involve the person going instantly unconscious and dying. No, sometimes that can take a while. Sure does hurt the fellow, though.

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    Heard this guy talking to my dad about hanging up a hog by its back legs. Stabs the thing in the neck (Slaughter 101), blood shoots out, rear legs come loose, oopsie!!!, hog drops to the floor and runs all around and around before hitting the deck. He said that the mess was indescribable. Said the room was painted with gore.

    Holy sh##! What a pleasant topic!
     
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  19. Snyper

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    I also have a "Vietnam Tomahawk", but it's a little harder to pass off as just an average "tool". The metal handles on the Estwings make them more durable.

    It would be great for breaking car windows though: db171503cba91e45e2cd9ec66d34dbe8.jpeg
     
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  20. Old Geezer

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    You can spit kindlin with a tomahawk. We kids liked tomahawks and bow & arrow. Everybody wanted to be the Indians, not the cowboys. Back before our great-grandparents our kin had had a lot of dealing with, to include marriage with the Cherokee. Elk Park, NC was the big city for one of my friends. Nope, I don't think the ski resorts were big time back then. We were way the sh## too poor to think about that. Apple orchards in Elk Park were we'd head when fall rolled round.

    I'd have to go with a hatchet, but a tomahawk is sooooooo neat.

    Here's my little honey:

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    https://www.amazon.com/Estwing-26-I...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01N35B6I6

    Can swing this one-handed. Can swing it fast. Easy to control. Easy to throw in the back of your truck. Comes with a leather sheath. Luv mine.
     
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  21. Snyper

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    Swing the hatchets and sheetrock hammers from the side and they go between ribs to. ;)
     
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  22. Sonofliberty

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    I have that one. It is a great compromise between the weight of a full sized ax and the small size of a hatchet.
     
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  23. TexDanm

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    The last legislature here in Texas just about finished ANY laws restricting weapons to be used for self-defense and possession of them. Brass Knuckles, swords, switchblades, tomahawks or just big clubs, they are all legal for people to possess and use in defense of their lives and property. My vehicles all have several levels of weapons so I can deal with problems as I see fit at that time. I have always liked my brass knuckles.
     
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