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  1. Pragmatist

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    That's truly awful. Gang related stabbings are getting out of hand on some of our cities.
     
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  3. lonewolf

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    British Police have lost control of the streets, there aren't as many cops now as there was 9 years ago, the numbers have been decreasing year on year since about 2010 and the criminals and street gangs, county lines drug dealers, all know this.
     
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  4. Old Geezer

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    Where does sorrow end and parody begin?
     
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    This is what is coming here to America as our Enlightened, Educated, intelligentsia are trying to run the same kind of stupidity as they are doing in the UK....,

    Disarming the American Public ...mentally as well as spiritually and physically.

    You have to be educated to become so naturally stupid and herd people unto sheep and then cry foul when the wolves take over.....

    But this is what government types educated in public feel good schools do....over and over and over in their quest for Absolute power over the herd..

    They love subjects and not citizens.



    Unbeknownst to many today...the Soviets did this very thing in Russia after the 1917 Revolution in their planned engineered break up of the Russian Family structure.....

    Exactly what someone is trying to do in the UK and also here in America.


    This caused in Russia a huge problem in Juvenile Delenquency…...a huge problem.

    You will find their solution to it in the book by.....

    Amaury de Rienclourt


    Sex and Power in History...


    pages...375 to 378.

    The Chapter titled " The Communist Reality"

    Very very telling....



    Nonetheless....it is clear by the history that the government themselves caused this chaos by their Progressive policies run amok.


    But we are seeing the repeat of this history going on today.....and no one wants the solution to this man made problem.


    Once again....Ishmaelites run wild.....and working towards holding the rest of us Hostage and in bondage...


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  7. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Varuna,

    This is as funny as Son of Liberty's pregnancy concerns !

    The Brits helped develop social order and the Wilkinson swords.

    The results are reported in the article.

    The Western world has problems.
     
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  8. Old Geezer

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    Part of the breakup of empires is the bringing-in of slaves from conquered areas. Slaves bring with them resentment and savagery. Disorder in society spreads even as cancers metastasize.

    Opening the gates to invaders reminds one of the Trojan Horse story in Greek mythology. Mythology morphing into manifest reality, such are the headlines of today.

    To Londoners and Swedes I say, "Having fun yet?!"

    https://www.politico.eu/article/swe...ty-undoing-peaceful-self-image-law-and-order/

    https://fullfact.org/crime/are-majority-youth-knife-offenders-minority-ethnic/

    In the fullfact.org article above, the writers use raw numbers, not "percent of racial group" numbers. They make the case that whites commit the largest number of crimes -- sure, they are the overwhelming majority of the population, so if only a tiny fraction of them commit crimes, they will still have the highest numbers of crimes committed. Minorities can't "win" the prize for "most crimes committed", because even if 50% of them are violent, they simply haven't the physical number of people required to count.

    The communist left is either mentally inferior or they are actively attempting to deceive. Me, I believe them to be both.

    Having advanced degrees is worth something to be sure, however when it comes to actual problem-solving, I'll take common sense anytime -- especially if events are getting ready to hit the fan. People getting medical degrees only prepares then for their REAL education, which is to say landing in a hospital ward with people dying therein. Suddenly, they'll be listening to their nurses or having their patients die.
     
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    The OP story by the liberal press is strong on emotion and weak on information.
     
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  10. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Old Geezer,

    Ref the full fraction of offenders ... formerly known as criminals ... and statistics:
    Pasted into my copy of the Briloff book "The Truth About Corporate Accounting", ages ago I pasted in a clipping from the Wall Street Journal". A real prof was quoted: "When most of you read accounting statements now, you do not understand them. At the end of this course, you will not believe them".

    The "communist left" also contains a large segment of "useful idiots". So far, globally speaking, if definitions are allowed to current circumstances, they are winning much. Our US entries are Senator Bernie Sanders and the Governor of California.

    Ref last para above; I've personally seen and experienced premier examples of problem-solving and advanced (medical) degrees. A perfect example is near me. The famous Georgetown University, Washington, D.C. - besides being famous is also expensive. Thus enrollments are restricted. Next door neighbor, northern Virginia's George Mason University, is substantially less costly (adjusted to the area; it's far from "free"). GMU attracts many discharged military medics and post high school nurse categories of the "assistant" variety. These people are "street-wise" even if the street was a USN vessel or a desert. When I'm injured - frequently enough - I seek the street-wise medical professionals and avoid the Georgetown crowd.

    The UK and much of continental Europe have labor shortages. They haven't figured out the root causes of the problem (except for the BREXIT folks north of the Channel). I am NOT in the mood for Sharia-compliant fish and chips with a dozen Whitstones' in a plain brown bag.
     
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    They have shortage because it is too expensive to hire people. Not to mention it is far cheaper to outsource manufacturing elsewhere, and all they need is to send Compliance or QC person to oversee the manufacturing process.
     
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  12. lonewolf

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    its far easier to hire immigrant labour and pay them a fraction of what they would have to pay British workers.
     
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    The only reason that he was at the knife awareness course was that he had been arrested and sent there by the courts instead of actually being punished after being convicted of carrying a knife.
    I don't care what nice things his Father had to say about him, it's probably part of a lead up to a legal claim against the council who where supposed to be running this piece of abject stupidity. It seems like an absolute piece of brilliance (sarcasm) on the part of the people running the course, get a disparate group of young men together (possibly members of rival gangs) and put them in a room without checking if they're armed with sharp and pointy things....
    .... Maybe we could examine the idea of doing that on a much greater scale, the last youth standing wins a toaster...
     
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      what a brilliant idea! last one standing wins.:D
       
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  14. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Ystranc,

    LOL - a toaster for door prize - and not a Wilkinson sword !

    We're thinking alike. Societies have always had violent trash within the population.

    The problem not written up in the article, like elsewhere, is really about failed political organizations.
     
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    The UK problem is that we are too lenient. Offenders are so often seen as victims, and the true victims are brushed aside. So you grew up without a make role model? My Dad had no male role model, he didn't end up as a dope selling gangster. It's a choice the perps make to be criminals, they should know the price and penalties for that. If they don't lime it don't join in.

    One of my friends works at a prison (as staff, not an inmate) and he tells me that the inmates are all volunteers......
     
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    offenders have many repeat chances before they even see the inside of a prison, makes them think they are invincible, our legal system is so lenient and our prisons are just criminals academies.
     
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  17. varuna

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    If knife attack is so prevalence, has anyone ever consider wearing maille armour? A welded stainless steel maille is easy to conceal underneath your outerwear and proven against any kind of contact weapon.
     
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      a bit cumbersome under a suit on the commute to the office, what!!:p
       
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    The Utopia that is Sweden
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...jured-after-pizza-parlour-shot-up-car-bombed/

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    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/976062/malmo-shooting-sweden-police-gunfire-latest-pictures

    "Malmo shooting: One dead and four injured after Sweden gun attack"
    Note that the communist press uses the phrase "gun attack". The weapon did this, it wasn't the fault of the savage whatsoever.

    The communists also show a picture of an American supermarket where a shooting occurred to downplay the most recent rape of Sweden by their new "citizens".

    "A brief statement by police added there is no cause for public alarm."


     
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  19. Old Geezer

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    One thing can be said for the police of Britain and Sweden is that they are profoundly effective in the protection of a segment of their populations. Their police can protect felons and savages from citizens attempting to defend themselves against this lot. Police make sure that the civilized population is disarmed. Smugglers make sure that the bad guys ARE armed, armed to the teeth. Big CONGRATULATIONS! to socialism!
     
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    This story was from June 2018
     
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      2018, yes, so? This mayhem goes back a while. At my age, 5 years is a blip. 2018 = yesterday

      I don't understand.
       
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  21. Ystranc

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    Kevlar lined cut resistant clothing and gloves are already available but ineffective, expensive and bulky. Mail depends on a bulky quilted undershirt to spread and absorb the force from a blow and isn't proof against a pointed dirk or poignard type knife.
     
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    maille armour has proven its worth since medieval age to withstand thrusting attack, however it all depend on the make of the maille (riveted vs buttoned) A modern welded stainless could withstand heavier strike than any medieval counterpart could ever achieve. You do however still need to wear undergarment (underwear) that could protect from the resulting residual blunt force. And I believe impact protection undergarment will do well for such purpose.

    Example of welded stainless maille vest

    https://www.ringmesh.com/Chain-Mail-Vest-p/ns210.htm

    Example of impact protection undergarment

    https://xionpg.com/body-protection/shortsleeve-jacket-pro-d3o/
     
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  23. Old Geezer

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    Kevlar or maille ... why stay in the area of savages?! Push them back to where they came from or isolate them and let them kill-off each other. Wall them off, then throw knives and guns and ammo over the wall. Have gutters where the blood can flow out into septic tanks. If there are any smart and civilized left, send them back to their countries of origin. Maybe they will change things for the better back home. Shoot, I would wish them well.

    We in the West can't fix them. God knows that that has been attempted. Really not ours to try. Speaking for myself, I'm not Jesus. Neither would I ever attempt such arrogance as to imagine myself anywhere near the task of saving people from their own selves. If they'd actually attempt to follow God's laws as revealed by the Prophets, maybe there would be some hope. Their egos and their tendencies to violence ends up winning out. Don't look at me, I'm just another observer in the peanut gallery.
     
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  24. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Varuna and Ystranc,

    My under the shirt body armor is also advertised to protect against cutting and thrusting weapons (built in plates).

    I do not know if stainless steel can protect against cattle prods.

    Armor is heavy and limits mobility. It is a trade-off. Decisions must be made.
     
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    So what are you suggesting? Some sort of apartheid as a solution? A segregated society? These are folks that are UK citizens, mostly born here, mostly from fairly reasonable areas. The current situation is a reflection of societal tensions, failed economic policies and the manifest greed of 21st century living. I sincerely doubt that there is a solution within God's laws (although I see your point) as people that act like this abandoned that sense of responsibility a long time ago
     
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    Shark suit. Solution--- terminate criminals, no repeat offenders and acts as a major deterrent to becoming a criminal.
     
  27. lonewolf

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    we don't have the death penalty in Britain anymore, last one was 13th August 1964.
    many of your US States don't have the death penalty I believe.
    post SHTF WROL not a problem but at the present time it isn't possible.
     
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    The less the death penalty is used, the higher the crime rate. Funny how that works out. Yes, once we have WROL, the crime rate will drop drastically.
     
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    Interesting philosophical question, without rule of law can there be such a thing as a crime?
     
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    they might not be illegal acts WROL but a crime is anything that has a victim so the answer is yes.
     
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  31. Old Geezer

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    New arrivals seem to be segregating themselves. Witness Malmo Sweden.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3555/sharia-law-london

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2017...id-masood-islamic-europe-mosques-no-go-zones/

    "The current situation is a reflection of societal tensions, failed economic policies and the manifest greed of 21st century living. "

    So, capitalism is an oppressor system? Hmmm ... well, I guess socialism will fix all of this.
     
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    Good morning Ystranc and Lone Wolf,

    A very interesting philosophical question !

    Field Marshall Slim and General Stilwell were war criminals ?

    They weren't.
     
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    The Malmo incident was eighteen months ago, and in Sweden, it has no connection whatsoever with UK gun crime. Sweden's socio-political system is manifestly different from that of the UK. I don to understand why you are attempting to draw parallels between the two disparate incidents. The best I can draw from your linking of the two is that you do not really understand the socio-political climate of either country - which is completely acceptable as you live in neither. It is why I seldom comment on US matters, as that would be to imply I know your country better than you, which I don't.

    I notice you added a link re Sharia law in the UK. There is a lot of talk about this. We have been reassured, by our government, that there will not be Sharia law in the UK. The subject comes up a lot, claims have been made that there are "no-go" areas for whites in certain pro Muslim areas. None of those claims bear out in reality. The UK is a very diverse and racially tolerant country (although if on were to read a couple of the UK papers - The Daily Expressand The Daily Mail one could be excused for thinking otherwise). It is worth noting that on a number of occasions during the recent spate of terrorist incidents a further number of attempted terrorist acts were reported to the police by Muslim people and, notably, by a couple of Imams helping to secure arrests and prevent those incidents taking place.

    I think to judge the UK and its socio-political climate by internet browsing leads to misguided conclusions - to give an example, the UK press portray your president as a complete oaf. He was elected by your people, so he must have something or your nation would not have elected him - you are not fools.
     
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    Your point??
     
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    IMO They should ban or criminalized the act of murder
     
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    Murder is a criminal act in the UK
     
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    WHAT..???? o_O Non-Sense! If murder is illegal / criminalized than there wont be any homicide or murder happening there.
     
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    Murder in the UK is against the law, pure and simple.

    Perhaps you might consider being slightly more civil when you reply to me? I do not appreciate rudeness.
     
  40. TexDanm

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    Actually the only way that the death penalty lowers crime is by the fact that when carried out THAT criminal will never do it again. In that area life without the possibility of parole is just about as effective. If the death penalty was a DETERANT then Texas wouldn't have many murders. Unlike most states, we don't just sentence murderers to death we actually execute them.

    The better solution is to stop letting violent criminals out of prison only to be convicted again and again. Make using a gun or knife in the commission of a felony a 30 year no parole for the first offense and life without parole for the second and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon a life sentence. It isn't unusual for a violent felon to have 15 or 20 arrests and a dozen convictions. To me, some crimes should be one and done. If you harm a child you are GONE. If you are convicted of two violent crimes you will never get free. Felons with guns should be a one and done. Selling heroin or crack should be a get caught twice and you are done.

    The problem that I have with the death penalty is that too many prosecutors treat it like some sort of game. Over and over we have had to release people that were convicted only to find that the prosecutor had found evidence that possibly cleared them and had withheld that from the defense. I think that in those cases the prosecutor and all connected to it should take that man's place on deathrow...but nothing much ever happens to them. We pay the poor bastard a few million dollars and say "Sorry about that!"

    I wonder how many have died and the prosecutor never got caught. When the DNA evidence started rolling in most states had to release from 1% up to 5% of their deathrow inmates because they were not guilty. The fact is that I don't have enough faith in the system to feel comfortable with killing someone. Besides locking someone up in a max security lockdown is a lot better punishment. Those poor suckers are in a tiny little cell 23 hours a day. That is where they go if they can't function and follow the rules.
     
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      Here is the major difference, If executed, the next government administration can't change the sentence. The second benefit is a bullet is a lot cheaper than housing some a-holes for their entire lives. One and done.
       
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    This, I believe, is at the heart of the UK problem. Often we hear stories of 15 year life sentences handed out, with the perp back on the streets in 10 years. To me, that suggests a risk that the perp goes back to his/her old patch and may be welcomed back into the criminal class as a hero, rather than having the more appropriate shame of the weight of the crime.

    I favour longer sentences, and have to say the 15 years, to me, does not represent the value of a life in terms of timescale. Maybe forty years would do as a minimum before parole could be considered? I am opposed to the death sentence, which was abolished in the UK after a series of controversial convictions and mistakes. Whilst with modern forensics techniques and DNA evidence used as routine should, hopefully, eliminate such mistakes, there remains doubt in my mind.
     
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  42. Ystranc

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    Under shirt stab vests are ineffective against the recent stabbing trend called "bagging" where a person is stabbed in the backside in order to cause maximum damage to the great intestine meaning victim surviving but needing radical surgery resulting in them losing several feet of intestine and wearing a STOMA bag for the rest of their days. The objective of this is to cause maximum humiliation for an enemy gang member.
     
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    I do believe the death penalty would be appropriate for some kinds of crimes, murder being one of them. As long as the criminal has received a fair trial and has a reasonable timescale to make any necessary appeal I have no issues with it.
     
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    If we could guarantee that, but can we? The UK has a long track record of miss trials and of quoted convictions. For example, the Guildford Four - guilty or not? It is a grey area, at the time the convictions were overturned there was a great deal of controversy. The forensics were found to be faulty, they were released. In the eyes of the law they are innocent. If they had been hanged there would have been no way back.
     
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    Very true, when I was much younger I knew an old man who was my grandfathers neighbour. His name was Albert Pierpoint, a calm, quiet man considering he was one of Britain's last professional hangmen. He chose not to dwell too much on the two known miscarriages of justice that he'd executed but I'm sure they effected him. He'd written a book on the subject back in the 70's... Different times, he used to get paid £15 plus expenses per execution.
     
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  46. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Brownbear,

    Lone Wolf wrote: "a crime is anything that has a victim".

    You wrote, in reply to TMT Tactical, asking "without rule of law can there be such a thing as a crime?"

    The Japanese Imperial Army used a different set of laws. That was my point.

    Some of the fascists called the Nuremburg tribunal(s) as ex post facto.

    Something similar occurred with the MacArthur Tokyo trials (some in Manila also). An indirect example is the "Comfort Women" sex slaves of the IJA.

    I attend meetings and hear that the terrorist trials in Guantanamo Bay are making up the law and procedures on a daily basis. Who knows ?
     
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  47. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Ystranc,

    This is an excellent point you bring up.

    My governing view is no or minimum contact with persons.

    Related to "bagging" and armor: I arrived here at MSF.COM while researching a helmet also offering neck protection. As the helmets improved, neck injuries still occurred.
     
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  48. Old Geezer

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    In the latter 1700s, the people of the USA rejected English rule because the elitists of England were arrogant beyond measure. We Americans slaughtered your armies, officers, and the sniveling traitors among us who had learned to kowtow to their "betters". We to this day remember and give thanks to the French Navy (the French hated Britain more than us) and to European officers, to include General Pulaski, who greatly and sacrificially aided our cause of Liberty.

    Give us Liberty or give us death. Death before dishonor.

    Currently, America, Heartland America, did not vote for Trump, we voted against the communist whore, Clinton.

    Trump has gained in popularity due to his having continued to oppose the Constitution burners. Trump's fight against the elitist, anti-Christians has garnered him a loyalty among many who only grudgingly supported him in 2016. The leftists wish to open the floodgates and allow into America those who have loved/hated their dictators and were subservient to either ilk. The left is banking on them voting illegally for the leftist candidates promising them war booty from the attacks against the "evil capitalists."

    The urban lemmings of America want to be protected, so the police pretend to protect. And tax dollars are gathered to send checks to the ghettos to appease those who would enjoy a good looting spree -- which would simply be another form of the redistribution of wealth from the productive to the non-productive. This lemming behavior is witnessed all across Western nations.

    Things will grow interesting when Western nations' economies crumble and these checks go worthless.

    It will be interesting indeed to witness how the unarmed lemmings deal with the waves of looters during the coming world-wide economic depression.

    If the urbanites flee to Heartland areas, it will prove detrimental to their health. America's combat armies are composed of Heartlanders.
     
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  49. Old Geezer

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    Any civilized society must perpetually conduct a war against crime. The nastier the criminals, the nastier the war.

    Wars are not won by hand-wringers.

    Everyone must keep in mind that crime and wars are caused by the ready-availability of victims.

    Citizens must never be weak or civilization is lost.

    Within the human body, it is not just immune-system cells that attack cancers. Normal cells throughout the body detect the presence of cancer cells that are beginning to live adjacent to them. The normal biologic response is for normal cells to surround the malignant cells and kill them by denying them nutrient and oxygen delivery. This action causes the cancer cells to begin the process of apoptosis.
     
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  50. TexDanm

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    "Here is the major difference, If executed, the next government administration can't change the sentence. The second benefit is a bullet is a lot cheaper than housing some a-holes for their entire lives. One and done."

    The problem is that the prosecution of a capital murder case for a death penalty is a MULTImillion dollar mess that then goes through the entire appeals system for years before anything is actually done. Believe me, life without the possibility of parole is MANY MANY times cheaper than a death penalty case. The county has to hire a GOOD experienced law firm to represent the guy or it will get overturned in appeals for lack of competent legal support. This is no public defender guy with a tiny little one-man law firm.

    The second thing to consider, even if you don't care if they execute an innocent person, is the multimillion-dollar payout for that mistake. An execution can't be undone and there is no oops sorry about that possible. Another problem is that it costs a lot more to store death-row inmates than it does a lifer. They have there own supermax wing of a maximum-security prison. Most lifers go into the general population eventually and work. Many become trustees.

    The other problem that I have is that most of the time when there is a murder done where several people are involved it is usually NOT the killer that gets the needle. We executed one this year. He was the driver in a convenience store robbery. the man that killed the store clerk got life because he turned state evidence and copped a life sentence plea. The poor bastard that never entered the store got executed. This is about par for the course because the killer is usually eager to cop a plea first. I'm a long long way from being a bleading heart but I don't like it when the state murders an innocent man any more than I do when a criminal does it.

    In my 30 years living where Texas has most of its prisons, I have seen too many released after spending years on death row. I wonder how many died that SHOULD have been cleared. My wife worked death row for many of her 25 years in prison. Many of those people are animals and death is the only way to keep them from hurting more people. Some are like the poor bastard that was driving a car and never killed anybody. I just don't trust the legal system...
     
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