Mental Health During The Pandemic

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  1. Pragmatist

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    My mental health process. Detailed and precise reloading procedure. Detailed attention to every round. Exacting powder charge. Careful seating of every primer. And measurement of the OAL (Over All Length) of every round. Very relaxing. Mental health is just fine.
     
  3. Old Geezer

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    The more drunk you two are, the younger you look to each other.

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  4. lonewolf

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    cannot access the link as its not available here for legal reason.
    so going by the thread title, the only people that will have mental problems during the lockdown are Sheeple who are used to herding as one of our members would say.
    recluses and loners will have no problem, in fact we relish the peace and quiet.
    if Sheeple cannot cope for a mere 12 weeks/3 months during lockdown, how will they cope when the entire system goes into collapse? answer: they wont!!
    having mental problems/panic attacks will put them at fatal risk from all manner of causes.
     
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  5. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Old Geezer,

    Not drunk but still consider Loretta Swit (Major Margaret H.L. Houlilan, RN, NC, 4077th MASH, US Army, APO San Francisco, 123456) younger and more vibrant than the airhead idiots like those mentioned by Watcherchris.

    Also on my list of young and vibrant (Won't define "vibrant") is the late Ingred Bergman, a Prepper. "Oh, Rick, you've got to think for both of us,..for all of us." CASA BLANCA, 1942.
     
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  6. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Lonewolf,

    You're right.

    Learning about mental health maintenance is a form of education.

    America's education "system" is as broken as is the public health "system".
     
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  7. lonewolf

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    living or being on one's own for long periods is a form of education in itself, although I now have a wife I have lived for years on my own, so I think I am qualified to comment.
    if someone lives in a city and is constantly surrounded by other people then they will never learn how to live and survive alone, that wont do them any good in a post collapse society where most of the sheeple will be out for what they can get.
    I am totally convinced of two things, one is that city folk are afraid of silence and being alone as they are constantly surrounded by noise and millions of other people, secondly that for the most part, especially in the UK, most are afraid of the countryside("we cant go there, all that animal shit we might get a disease!").
     
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    Worse thing going to happen in a panic attack is you'll pass out, ain't going to kill you (The article was the usual stuff, keep busy, seek counselling etc.).

    Living on your own is OK if you choose to live on your own, if your forced to isolate you might get problems. Even people who choose isolation can go a bit loopy loo, cabin fever and all that, you might think your fine but people who meet you will see a crazy guy sort of thing.

    Thankfully C19 ain't going to cause a complete breakdown in society, you need to wait for the really lethal virus to arrive for that and who's to say a prepper will survive that one LOL You could end up just as dead as the 'sheeple' especially if your an older prepper.
     
  9. lonewolf

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    that's why I stated "recluses and loners", any person who has never had to live on their own for long periods is going to have a problem, which was the whole point of my post. I'll accept what you say about panic attacks seeing as I've never had one so I'll bow to your experience.
    C19 COULD still cause a breakdown in society, it isn't over by a long way yet.
     
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    I guess mental health is an issue for some people, but not for me. I much prefer being alone, and see no ill effects from working at home. If anything I feel a frustration from NOT being able to come and go as I please, over which I have no control. There is no point going somewhere if the somewhere you want to go is closed due to quarantine.

    I can still communicate with the people I want be it email or telephone.
     
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    being an "only" child growing up on my own was normal for me, as an adult I have spent much time(sometimes between marriages!) on my own, it just feels so normal to me and does not cause me any stress.
    a lot of people in the modern world do not have time on their own so are not used to such things, their lives are so hectic, they work in busy environments as part of a "team", even their off time hobbies probably involve lots of other people in large groups.
    my hobbies were always the solo kind, fishing-camping-biking- walking.
    if someone is not used to doing something then being forced to do it will cause them stress.
    in my case its hordes of other people which is why I don't get involved in such activities.
    if I do meet others its on a one to one basis.
     
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    just recently in the UK news there has been a lot about the corona virus causing people to be:
    Lonely.
    Depressed.
    P.T.S.D.
    Suicidal.
    in fact over here some people, mainly teenagers, have hung themselves as they cant cope with the stress of being alone without friends.
    now if they cant cope with a quarantine for a disease I cant see them being able to cope with a longer lasting event , how about a second wave of the virus worse than the first which would include national lockdowns and an economic downturn/collapse .
     
  13. Max rigger

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    I'd bet there are a number of 'preppers' who've changed since it all went pear shape too. Its had an impact on a global scale, a scale that is unprecedented.
     
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    I was wondering if there is a difference in the numbers between the people from the cities and rural residents. I would guess the numbers of rural residents suffering from depression symptoms is measurably lower than city dwellers.
    I haven't seen that it's happening in the US, but I'd bet it is.

    Dale
     
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    Man, you KNOW that there will be a huge difference between rural and urban! You don't need the lies of statistics to figure this one out.

    Dependent minded people decompensate when their sandcastles are washed away. Independent people roll up their sleeves, get to work, and go on about their lives. Too, turn off the electricity in cities and the people begin to decompensate in a couple of days; some in hours. Rural areas without power get out the kerosene, play cards, organize a BBQ, have a church bonfire / dance. Just do what their parents and grandparents did.

    Too there are your video-game addicts who die of depression and Chinavirus. Chinavirus because they are so overweight. Working out in this 80 -90 degree heat this summer took the poundage off me. My BMI is near normal; the gut is near gone. Post rotator cuff surgeries, my shoulders and arms are growing strong again. I just now came back in from the heat, yard/garden/cutting back a tree (got chainsaw to purr using same OLD spark plug, i.e. miracle).
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  17. lonewolf

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    wouldnt make a REAL prepper change their habits too much, we're already doing most of it as part of normal life.
     
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    Yes it could make a REAL prepper change because they live on theory and this virus has been a small taster of a pandemic reality which we have been lucky with (low death rate). Like a lot of folk it could easily mess with their heads and not much you can do about that at times; they are not immune.
     
  19. lonewolf

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    No, we are not immune but since pandemic is top of most preppers lists and we prepare in advance for such threats and risks we dont have to actually change our behaviour when it does hit unlike the panicking masses who have no back up plan.
     
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    I am going to say this, and remember please this is just my way of looking at things because prepping and survival is a way of life for me now. So I am not trying to insult people it's just the way I see it.

    There are levels of prepping I think. There are the "preppers" who prepare for small thinks like a storm or loss of power for a week. I'm sure this pandemic did change them and has affected them. I don't see them so much as preppers but as people who actually follow the county and provincial guidelines for extra food etc. Maybe they like the idea of being a survivalist but they don't put much effort into it.

    Then on the other end of the spectrum you have the REAL serious prepper. Many of us bugged out of the cities and population centers years ago. We don't like crowds or people much. We have studied many scenarios including much worse pandemics than this one. We saw this coming back in January so had plenty of time to mentally prepare if needed. This is the type of prepper ready to be self sufficient if needed. I don't think there are many who fall into this category that have been forced to change or badly mentally affected. The effect here would be more along the lines of adding to lists eg. More bleach. Or I should buy more filters for the p100 masks. And so on. These types of prepper probably saw this more as a limited minor field test of the preparations they have made.
     
  21. lonewolf

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    pretty much says it all.
    many preppers in the UK, the vast majority, see any possible events as short term annoyances usually lasting hours, days or weeks. possibly lockdown might have sorely tested their food preps as this went on for about 3 months- although shopping trips were allowed and home deliveries still functioned so maybe not as much as a full shutdown.
    such preparations used to be called common sense but unfortunately such things are now unknown to the general population.
    the more serious preppers amongst us tends to get ridiculed even on some prepper forums and such UK preppers tend to be few in number, they pay more attention to skills and knowledge, and planning for the long term collapse of societal systems , to be self sufficient and self reliant in a national or even global catastrophe.
    such persons as these are unlikely to be affected by the cessation of social events and social connections and are able to function alone without suffering the mental health problems common to the wider populations.
     
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    Sorry Lonewolf, if and when it hits the fan preppers may well be just as vulnerable as the rest of us to mental health issues. They may have planned for it, may think they are mentally strong but you can't control emotions and fears too much when they hit.

    Same in combat, you can be the best trained pongo in your unit but when that first mortar round lands close by or the vehicle in front goes ten feet in the air (and I've experienced both) your ring piece goes tight and some near enough shit their pants...its human nature and that will be the same with some preppers regardless of their preps.
     
  23. TexDanm

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    I guess we are pretty fortunate. When you live out in the woods 25 miles out from the nearest decent sized town and only barely in the suburbs of a tiny town your social life is pretty subdued. We are on 3 fenced acres with my wife and me, my two Daughters, and my Grandbaby. I only miss the monthly parties that we used to have. My family is all together and truthfully we don't feel especially isolated as compared to any other time. Between all of us, we have 5 dogs, three cats, and two guinea pigs for company. Even my 9 soon to be 10 Grandbaby is thriving and runs back and forth between the houses from about 10 in the morning to 10 at night and eats where ever she is when it is time to eat. she tries to stay appraised about what is on the menus and will manage to be at the RIGHT house at dinner time.

    I have several lady friends that are suffering. They are older widdow ladiesthat are alone and not having a good time. Along with the time I spend on the computer annoying people all over the world I try to spend time on the phone with them on a regular basis. I really am not suffering much from the issolation.
     
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  24. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon Max,

    "In general, one should not generalize." anon

    A Prepper is MORE prepared re mental health maintenance than others. Mental health prep is like dental hygiene, keeping up to date on immunizations, etc.

    I've posted here at msf.com the website of the US Governments "SAMHSA", the mental health folks at Dept of Health and Human Services. It's a small agency but super in their products and phone access.

    Their small Field Manual for disasters is loaded with info and I teach this to my public sector Responders and my Prepper group (although the health care skills amongst us exceeds mine).

    I've been in mortar attacks and treated them as routing dangerous emergencies. When busy with a counterattack, there's little to no time to worry.

    Practicing mental health maintenance is done by some. They are called Advanced-level Preppers.
     
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    I spent nine months house sitting for my son when he was deployed. Except for the monthly grocery shopping trip, I did not leave the house. I do not suffer from isolation or lack of conversation. If it hit the fan, then I would be too busy with everyday life to be lonely.
     
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    I have a ton of hobbies and both read and write a lot. i have almost always been a bit of a loner and worked nights for many years when I was young. back on those days at Midnight, the world including the TV shut down. The only place that was open after midnight was a bowling ally in a town about 35 or 40 miles away. I went there once a week for supper and bowled a few games. I chased the elusive 300 game for years and just never managed it. Other than that I was alone and spent my time as often as not in the woods and swamps for several hours every night during the week or just walking the streets. The cops all knew me and once they got used to seeing me they stopped stopping me and questioning me. I don't have a problem with being alone but am social and enjoy people. The dark though, has always called to me.

    I feel sorry for many people right now. Especially older widowed people are truly isolated and cut off from almost all human contact. Other than medical people and immediate family I have not talked to anybody face to face in months! this would have been hard on my parents they were very social people and WERE miserable when their health issues isolated them. For them, my Mama especially the nursing homes was a wonderful place.
     
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    I was never a "social animal" even before the virus and except for 3 weekly trips to the supermarket I seldom leave the house, I've always been a bit of a loner/recluse and I dont have or want anything to do with others and I do not get lonely or depressed like the masses seem to.
    post SHTF I will have too much to do that the lack of others wont be a problem, never needed an audience like most people seem to and I hate crowds.
    I think preppers are a different breed of human, maybe we arent humans at all, perhaps a different species, I have never felt wholly human always thought I was different, having an alternative lifestyle probably accounts for that feeling.
     
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    We used to be social animals. Every weekend we were shot out of a canon. Friday, Saturday, sometimes Sunday we were always doing something. Now we are the complete opposite. When I ask my wife "are we doing anything this weekend?" the answer is usually "No" followed by a sigh of relief.

    I have found I could do quite well as a hermit with very limited human interaction. If isolation and quarantine have been an issue they have not been for me.
     
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    Bet you didn't the first time you got stonked. Engagement is different, you have time to get your shit together and the training should kick in.

    I've said how vital it is to keep the grey matter in shape, especially as you get older. Its good to have aims and targets in your life, helps keep you focused IMHO, keep that 'to do list' full.
     
  30. Old Geezer

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    Guy dies in our lunch room. The other men looked on in horror, while futile resuscitation efforts were made. Me, I said a prayer for the departing soul, then finished my lunch. God knows that that young fellow wasn't the first I'd watched die.

    Many members on this site have watched stacks of people die and get killed. God only knows how many grand mal seizures I've attended. People interfacing with windshields. Turned off the respirator keeping my girl alive (adult but still my little girl). When loading a weapon to greet an unwanted guest, my heart rate has not gone up that much.

    If one has not seen a lot of death, I think that they would do well to get some job that will prepare them for the stepping over bodies. The simplest way to do this is to do volunteer work at nursing homes and stay there as the patients code and the families scream out with unbearable grief.

    Hold the hands of the dying.

    There are mutant children in hospital also -- one should learn to play with drooling hideously deformed children whose parents won't come to visit them.

    "Moooooommmmmmy! Mooooooooommmmmmmmyyyyy! I piss myself! Mommmmyyyy!"
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    In the UK leaving bodies on the floor to be stepped over is actively discouraged.
     
  32. lonewolf

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    he's talking about post SHTF. nursing homes and hospital intensive care will see the first deaths.
     
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    Wakey wakey Lonewolf I was taking the piss out of the post, looks like Old Geezer could benefit from some mood lifting pharmaceuticals ;) While I remember and totally off topic, if you get the chance watch a film called "The night eats the world" Zombie film but not the usual crap zombie movie, its actually very good.
     
  34. lonewolf

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    just like you take the piss out of all the posts eh.
    I dont base my survival on films much less zombie films, sorry.
    its the masses who will need the pills post SHTF, probably the little red pill in most cases.
     
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      Max is just another smartass troll who has never grown up. By putting others down, the child inside of him imagines itself superior. Inside, there is a part of him that is keenly aware of his inadequacies, so he spits and lashes out to compensate. I have not blocked him, there is some curiosity on my part about his psych quirks. When working around the mentally ill, one is perpetually irritated. Worked there. Couldn't stay working there, I had other degrees and so pursued other job avenues. My hat is off to those who are patient enough to deal with such patients.
       
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    Its not a survival film just a bit of fun and different from most zombie films. High wind and rain tonight so belly full of food and a tot or two and watching a tv show, Project Blue Book, not bad as it happens.

    Sorry about the taking the piss comment but Old Gs posts always bring a grin to my face. One day he'll admit its him thats taking the piss with his crazy and unbelievable posts, just winding us all up :D
     
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    First it's "that's" not "thats".

    Maxi-mouse agrees to be a part of the experiment.

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    Question #1

    Maxi-mouse, have you watched either of your parents die?

    Question #2

    If so, can you relive that experience in your mind right now?

    Question #3

    If you have not watched your parents die, who have you watched die / get killed?

    Question #4

    Did it upset you to watch this person or persons die?

    Thank you for you cooperation. We will be looking at your EEG results.
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    if someone dosent take being prepared seriously and is always taking the piss, WHEN SHTF that grin will be wiped off their face in an instance .
     
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    I took Covid 19 seriously enough to stop work, come home, plan and prepare; believe it or not I take life very seriously.

    Will I carry on 'prepping' post C19? Not much more I can do living in a UK town. I've a good food stock, some solar power now enough to run some things and a good camper van I suppose I could leave town in. Water is my weakness at the moment, I need to think about long term bulk water storage, maybe a bladder in the loft; I need to work out the weight bearing load on the existing roof timber. I will get a FAC because shooting now appeals as a hobby. I will be living overseas by my mid 50s, looks like it will be Spain or Portugal and I'll be looking at a project toward the end of 2021. If I can find a 'fixer Upper' for around £70k max I'll buy it even if I don't work on it for a year or two.

    Had a long drive today, lad decided to go home a day early and get ready for work Monday morning. So, sitting here deciding where to go next in Scotland.

    Old Geezer has missed his meds again and off in the Twilight, say hello to Rod for me OG, tell him I love his old shows :)
     
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      Feelings of inadequacy
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  39. lonewolf

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    plenty of cheap property in Bulgaria or Romania, really cheap some of it.
    trouble with living abroad when a catastrophe hits is being the "foreigner" and all the locals just "know" that foreigners have more money than them even if that person is down on his or her uppers, guess where they will go looting first??
    food and water stores even solar panels are good but everything run out or wears out eventually, skills and the knowledge to be self sufficient and self reliant when its all going to hell in a handcart around us would be an advantage.
    still I dont suppose any of that is of interest to a self declared NON prepper.
     
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    I agree with you to a point about immigrants being a target if it hits the fan but I'd say that applies to the ones with money, the ones living in the luxury homes which won't be how I live. Yes, very cheap properties in Bulgaria/Romania/Slovenia but I don't fancy living there. Spain or Portugal for me, more than likely Spain.

    My 'life plan' now is:

    Buy and own and own an overseas property outright by end of 2022
    Complete all renovation/conversion work by end of 2025
    Buy cheap house(s) in UK to provide rental income

    You see Lonewolf, I really am a prepper, I am preparing for the future. I've achieved my life plans to date and don't see that changing in the future, I am very focused when I want to do something. Looks like you had stronger winds down with you than we did up here north of the border, hope your OK and no property damage.

    Morning Old Geezer, how are you today? Did you give my regards to Rod when you went off back into the Twilight Zone?

    Cut back on the coffee, not good for the ticker at your age and will get you all worked up :)
     
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      Oh sh##, MaxiMouse, what did your mommy say to you? She loves you, right? Who else does she love? Does she love them more than you?
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  41. lonewolf

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    hope it works out for you, I dont like Spain too hot for me, I dont like heat I like a mild climate.
    I'll stay in Devon, left once for 10 years and came back, home is here now, its my childhood home and memories are here.
     
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      Historically-speaking, Spain & Portugal stay volatile. It's not just thermal heat. And then there's the matter of the banks of Spain being broke, the nation itself being insolvent. When the European Union's Keynesian pump-priming machinery finally crumbles onto the floor (nothing is holding that machine together), the people will riot and there will be great violence.
       
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  42. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Max,

    Just want to comment on a technical point.

    First, though, I always considered you a Prepper.

    My comment: Coffee is a health food. I hear this over and over from the doctors and dentists I do volunteer work with.

    The quantity and quality does need monitoring but not because of age.

    ......

    Have you considered Gibraltar, Spain ? (Just had to throw this in !)
     
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    Depends where you go, northern Spain is a lot cooler than the southern coastline. I will be up in the hills and it can be 20c on a winters day down on the Costas and up in the hills your in heavy snow. I know what you mean about memories, even growing up we moved around a bit, then the army, now off shore I've not really put down roots anywhere which is something I need to do.
     
  44. Max rigger

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    I love coffee, has to be fresh and extremely strong. Its a good drink, just be more careful when your old because too much caffeine can put a lot of stress on your body and can lead to mental confusion in the elderly;)

    You get good coffee in Europe but its only the last 7 to 10 years real coffee has taken off in the UK, Starbucks are everywhere (coffee's too weak for me) and a lot of excellent private shops have sprung up. This growth coincides with the food revolution thats happened here this last 10 years, brits don't live on fried breakfasts, tea and roast dinners anymore we have some of the best produce in the world here now and top chefs and home cooking is a major hobby for a lot of people now :)
     
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    Really its Gibraltar UK not Spain. Its nickname is 'The Rock' and thats what it is, a big lump of rock which is British, small, very expensive property and not my cup of tea, I want a few acres of land with any future property purchase.
     
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  46. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Max,

    In reality, - really - The Brits de facto left the former BCC less the resident Brit passport holders and overseas Brit passports (similar to Hong Kong).

    The Spanish were always complaining about the British colonialists but Ceuta, Spain - - - within Morocco - - - is a larger city !

    Gibraltar was in effect replaced by the USN's Rota, Spain base. The Med's political geography changed and the Rock didn't meet Atlantic Alliance requirements.
     
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      Interesting info. Thanx.
       
      Old Geezer, Aug 29, 2020
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    I've been there, only for a couple of days but Gib is a shite hole. Lot of online industry there, online gambling, call centres that sort of thing. Lots of retired brits stuck in a time warp propping up British 'pubs' and soaking up the booze. Gib and to some extent Spain is perfect for chain smoking alcoholics to retire to, smokes and booze is cheap. The 'real' Spain is very different, good food and wine, lovely people, steeped in tradition and history.
     
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