Migrants Filling Countries

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  1. Old Geezer

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    Unchecked immigration is filling developed countries with millions who must be fed, housed, employed, provided medical services, ... on and on.

    Unlike in centuries past, these newly arrived are not assimilating. They are not learning the languages of the nations into which they are moving. They are not adapting to the customs and culture of their countries. Female circumcision / genital-mutilation, female second-class status, gang membership, sectarianism (Muslim vs. Hindu, Shiite vs. Sunni, Hispanic vs. Black, ...), and a host of other cultural issues are not being addressed.

    There is more than enough division within Western nations without introducing more yet.

    Let's take for instance the issue of feeding the masses. The United Kingdom currently imports food. Before importing more people, wouldn't it make more sense for the U.K. to become food independent?! This COULD be done. People scoff, but that is a seriously defeatist attitude. Some war, example Russia vs. Ukraine, can shut down vast quantities of food supplies on the world market. Same with drought and plant diseases (witness what the potato blight did to Ireland). Flooding the Islands of the U.K. with hundreds of thousands of more mouths to feed does not make sense; indeed, it could result in catastrophe.

    Sometimes the immigrants bring with them their criminal gangs. Witness what is happening in London and Sweden.

    An adult who has not yet attained wisdom, the "perpetual adolescent", sees no limits. Human imagination is great, yet when facing the very real vicissitudes appertaining to living on this planet, one must default to Reason.
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    "Mayor Eric Adams: Nearly Half of NYC Hotel Rooms Now Filled with Migrants"

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-of-nyc-hotel-rooms-now-filled-with-migrants/

    "Nearly half of hotel rooms in New York City today are filled with newly arrived border crossers and illegal aliens, living rent-free at the expense of local taxpayers, Mayor Eric Adams (D) says.

    "Since the spring of last year, nearly 70,000 border crossers and illegal aliens have arrived in the sanctuary city of New York City — mostly bused from Texas by Gov. Greg Abbott (R). The figure represents a fraction of the millions of border crossers and illegal aliens who have been released into the United States interior or successfully crossed the border.

    "For months, Adams has been giving out lucrative contracts to the city’s powerful real estate industry which is housing tens of thousands of migrants in hotels. Most recently, for example, New Yorkers are set to foot an annual $75 million bill to put up border crossers and illegal aliens in Manhattan’s iconic Roosevelt Hotel.

    "This week, Adams said nearly half of the city’s hotel rooms are now filled with border crossers and illegal aliens, calling waves of illegal immigration an 'onslaught' that officials are struggling to deal with and demanding President Joe Biden spread out new arrivals to towns and cities across the U.S.

    “ 'Almost 50 percent of those hotel rooms are taken up by migrant asylum seekers that we are paying for,” Adams said. “So instead of monies coming from people who are visiting us and spending in our tourism, in our Broadway plays, instead of them using those hotels, we are using those hotels.'

    "Adams noted that the cost of illegal immigration to New Yorkers, who are paying about $5 million every day to deal with the issue, will far exceed $4.3 billion when lost tourism money is factored in."

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    Old Gzr:

    Q: What is incomplete about the above story, the above situation?

    A: Where will these illegal, non-processed, non-medically-approved (many have tuberculosis) immigrant go post-temporary-housing?! No plans have been made by the current Wash D.C. "administration". Humans being dumped into another nation is a recipe for catastrophe. Maybe societal chaos is the goal of the biden "administration". Biden's puppet masters are either mentally insufficient to the task or they are waging war on a nation they hate, i.e. the USA. Personally, I see the latter as the best explanation. It warms my heart when I see real American states shipping these invaders to Leftist states and cities.

    Speaking of catastrophes, to prevent the spread of diseases, every country requires that people newly entering their country be screened for diseases. Below, I quote CDC guidelines for legal entry into the U.S.. The masses currently streaming into our nation are NOT being screened.

    From the CDC, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention:

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/yellow...rrived-immigrants-refugees-and-other-migrants

    "Most newly arrived travelers and migrants do not undergo an official medical examination prior to their travel to the United States, but for others, a medical examination is required by the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The INA mandates that all immigrants and refugees undergo a medical screening examination before travel to the United States to identify inadmissible health conditions.

    "Immigrants
    Overseas Medical Screening Examination"

    "A medical screening examination is mandatory for all immigrant visa applicants. CDC guidelines for this examination, referred to as Technical Instructions. The purpose of the screening examination is to detect inadmissible health conditions, including communicable diseases of public health significance, mental health disorders associated with harmful behaviors, and substance-use or substance-induced disorders. The medical screening process includes a brief physical examination, a mental health evaluation, a review of vaccination records, testing for gonorrhea (by nucleic acid amplification), testing for syphilis (by serology), and tuberculosis (TB) screening.

    "Chest radiographs are required for all applicants ≥15 years of age. Applicants 2–14 years old from high TB-burden countries (i.e., countries with incidence rates ≥20 cases per 100,000 population as estimated by the World Health Organization) must have an interferon-γ release assay (IGRA); those with a positive IGRA are required to have chest radiographs. Additional acid-fast bacillus smears and sputum cultures are required for anyone whose x-ray is suspicious for TB, has signs or symptoms compatible with TB disease, or has known HIV infection. For anyone diagnosed with TB disease, CDC’s Technical Instructions require Mycobacterium tuberculosis culture, drug-susceptibility testing, and directly observed TB therapy through the end of treatment before immigration is permitted. Pre-immigration treatment also is required for certain other inadmissible conditions, including gonorrhea, syphilis, and leprosy (Hansen’s disease)."

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    TB test results from one state. Rhode Island was studied.

    Long article. I can't quote it. The conclusions of the study are a very good read. In sum, not enough screening is being done and even after screening, treatment and follow-up isn't happening. Only around 27% of those with latent TB (positive but yet to go full clinical) were treated/tracked. You gotta watch this, you don't want these folk going clinical because TB is a horrible disease that attacks the lungs, skeleton, and brain; the author Thomas Wolfe, from Asheville NC died of TB of the brain, hard way to die.

    "Latent Tuberculosis Infection Treatment Outcomes in an At-Risk Underserved Population in Rhode Island"


    J Prim Care Community Health. 2022 Jan-Dec; 13: 21501319221111106.
    Published online 2022 Jul 18. doi: 10.1177/21501319221111106

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9310062/

    "Objectives:

    "Within the United States (US), significant racial and ethnic disparities exist in the rates of latent TB infection (LTBI) and active TB disease. A disproportionate number of TB disease cases result from untreated LTBI among individuals born outside the US. This study evaluates LTBI treatment outcomes among an underserved, at-risk population in Rhode Island.

    "Results:

    "Seventy-four percent of patients found to have positive screening TB tests were born outside of the US; 80% identified as Hispanic or Black and 45% spoke a preferred language other than English. Twenty-one percent of potential candidates for LTBI treatment initiated treatment."

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    "A Socio-Ecological Model to Assess Tuberculosis in Migrant Farmworkers in the US-Mexico Border Region "

    https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=117535

    "Most farmworkers working in the Unites States are foreign born and there is paucity of data on the prevalence of TB in agricultural farmworkers [18]. The CDC reported in one of its MMWR report in 1992 that farmworkers were six times as likely to develop active TB infection in sharp contrast to other individuals employed in other professions in the United States [19]. Table 1 lists the TB incidence rate for individuals from countries that form the bulk of the foreign farmworkers in the United States. These countries are Haiti, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, Mexico, and the United States. There are various risk factors associated with the high incidences of TB in agricultural farmworkers in the Unites States [20]. For the period 2007-2009, 72% of the farmworkers in the United States were foreign born. Within this sub-group, 15% were Mexicans and Central Americans who can be classified as indigenous Mayans."

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  3. Old Geezer

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    Looks like we here in Amerika are going to have to have machete-control laws. First registration, get a database of owners, then confiscation. Evil machetes!

    "Maryland teen rape suspect is illegal immigrant from El Salvador: ICE"

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-teen-rape-suspect-is-illegal-immigrant-el-salvador-ice

    "Rape suspect Hernandez-Espinal has been in the U.S. illegally for 10 years, according to ICE

    "The suspect who is accused of raping a 15-year-old girl and a woman on a Maryland hiking trail is in the U.S. illegally, according to officials.

    "An ICE spokesperson told FOX 5 that Hernandez-Espinal is originally from El Salvador and illegally immigrated to the U.S. in May 2013.

    "According to Montgomery County Police Department, the suspect approached the adult victim and her friend on the trail on Tuesday afternoon. He then threatened them with a machete and asked for their phones.

    "Court documents allege that Hernandez-Espinal pointed the machete at a woman's back and led her to a secluded part of the woods before raping her.

    "Authorities told FOX 5 that the rape of the 15-year-old girl happened a few days before the Tuesday incident, but did not release details about the crime."

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    If you are a Central American nation, the USSA is a great place to dump your criminals.

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    I sent a letter with 13 of my @HouseGOP colleagues to @SecMayorkas demanding answers about Venezuela releasing violent prisoners early and pushing them to join caravans heading towards our southern border.

    We need transparency and accountability from this administration. pic.twitter.com/zqx4yCtEP6

    — Congressman Troy Nehls (@RepTroyNehls) September 22, 2022


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    "The Mariel Boatlift"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/cuba/mariel_port.htm

    "In what President Jimmy Carter would call Freedom Flotillas, Cuban refugees living in the United States bought or chartered boats to travel the 90 miles between countries and transport about 125,000 'marielitos' over several weeks. In a move widely seen as an effort to embarrass the United States, Castro allowed 2,746 criminals, the mentally ill and other unwanted people among the refugees. Cuba agreed in 1984 to repatriate this group of Cubans. So far, 1,387 have returned home, according to U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service figures."
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  5. TexDanm

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    The 'Migrants" are not migrants, they are invaders coming here to steal what our forefathers built. In Texas, they are called wet backs. A short swim across a small river and bingo. You can no longer ask them for an ID that proves that they are citizens. That is discriminatory because you wouldn't ask a black or white person to verify their nationality. The women pop out an American citizen and bingo they are set.

    Now, don't get me wrong. We need a lot of them. They do the jobs that you could NEVER get someone on welfare to do. They are great workers!!! One of the problems is that they will gain citizenship and they are NOT Americans and don't value the freedoms as we do...they can always go "home" back to Mexico.
     
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    When one notes that the vast majority of these "migrants" are male, then the term "invaders" does present itself.

    Y'know if they were bringing their families with them to start a new life, then that bespeaks "starting afresh in a nation that is ostensible safe." But this isn't the case. The number of jobs we have in America for incoming immigrants determines at what number-levels our immigration limits are set. Many legal immigrants are here, have their green cards, and have jobs lined up. Some of those folk return to their home countries, thus leaving job openings for Americans and any newly arrived green card holders.

    Imagine what the migrant workers who went through the legal process to obtain their green cards must think of unchecked millions coming into this country in tsunami mode! We read of American Hispanic anger over this illegal tidal wave. This negates their efforts and causes them to lose their legally-obtained jobs.

    In earlier centuries, the USA had vast lands that could be farmed and factories needing workers, thus we allowed-in masses of folk to fill these needed jobs. Currently, our cities are full and our farms are in full production (weather willing). Current laws allow tens of thousands of migrant laborers to enter our country (it stands at around 50,000 per year; variations based on labor data). There is a legal process to be followed, then the workers get their green cards showing their legal status. Those hiring these folk simply check their green cards and know that everything is in order.

    With unchecked masses entering the country, there is no knowing the percentage of these migrants who have criminal records back in their home countries -- not even their health status, whether they have communicable diseases. It is a total "open door" policy with treasonous intent on the part of this "administration" in D.C. (District of Corruption).

    Vast numbers of men arriving from other countries and no jobs available -- think maybe that could result in crime and violence?! Think maybe that could be the intent of the deep state?! Sounds like it to me.

    The Left's retort, "It hasn't happened yet."

    Wow, how comforting! :mad:

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  7. TexDanm

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    The thing is that the REAL criminals that cause this are the companies and people that employ them under the table. They are not just giving American jobs to people that they shouldn't. They are also lying and not paying the taxes and social security payments that are vital to the financial security of millions of American citizens that paid into social security for 50 years or so.

    The way to solve this is to GUT any company and jail the owners that are caught employing these invaders. If they can't show a social security card and some form of state issued ID like a drivers license then you don't hire them. If you do and are caught then your business should be forfeited and your butt thrown in jail.
     
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  8. lonewolf

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    the vast numbers of people coming into Britain across the English Channel are fit young males in their 20s and 30s, these arent asylum seekers escaping from war or persecution these are economic migrants seeking a better life who couldnt get in through the legal route so they come illegally using people traffickers who are paid a lot of money to get them on small boats, I wonder where they got the money from? we arent taking hundreds of pounds we are talking thousands of pounds. not exactly destitute then?
    half of all these illegals are Albanian criminals who control the majority of drug crime in Britain.
     
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    The key here is jail time.

    Fines, however high, the companies will work into their budgets.

    The laws being broken already have prison time stipulated, but no judges are sending these corporate criminals to jail.

    It's well past time to get serious, very serious.

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-MS-13-gang-member-speaks-against-Biden.html

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    • Tammy Nobles' daughter Kayla Hamilton, 20, was raped and strangled to death by an illegal immigrant and suspected MS-13 gang member in July 2022
    • Nobles is now expected to testify at the House Judiciary Committee's Biden Border Crisis hearing over the influx of migrants at the southern border
    • She claims if the border was more secure, her daughter would not have been murdered

    'If there was a more secured border and individuals coming here was properly vetted, my daughter would still be alive today,' she said.

    Nobles said immigrants must be properly vetted before they are allowed into the country. She slammed the Biden Administration's response over the murder of her daughter and said the only politician to show support was Jordan.

    Kayla Hamilton, was allegedly strangled to death by a 17-year-old El Salvador native who entered the U.S illegally. The unnamed boy was charged with first-degree murder, as well as rape and robbery.

    Police arrested the suspect on January 15, 2023 after comparing his DNA to evidence from the crime scene. The 17-year-old El Salvador native, was charged with first-degree murder, as well as rape and robbery.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement confirmed the suspect was listed as a member of Mara Salvatrucha, known as MS-13.

    She called for an investigation into the Biden administration's handling of the influx of migrants at the southern border and is expected to testify at the House Judiciary Committee's Biden Border Crisis hearing.

    Members of MS-13 and other gangs have been crossing the southern border illegally, along with the thousands of Mexican and Central American migrants who continue to surge into the U.S.

    In April, a Florida man with ties to MS-13 is charged with murder in the slaying and dismemberment of an Uber Eats driver who had brought food to the assailant's house on what was to be his final delivery of the night.


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    Jail time for the BIG SHOTS that run the companies that hire illegal aliens and fines that had serious impact on the stock values would shake things up. We also need to turn our southern border into a cross and DIE place. No arrests, put up signs that clearly mark the point of do not go and kill ANYONE that crosses that line. We need to stream line the process for people with skills and speak English. We don't need anymore illiterate people that can't even speak our language.
     
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    First things first.

    Old Gzr: Wise and noble black men who see and take upon themselves the issues plaguing their communities need everyone's support -- to include financial funding. These are the true heroes. Politicians are maggots -- vile and hideous. Boots on the ground are all that matter inevitably. Boys who have been abandoned by their biological fathers need substitute fathers in the form of community leaders, sports coaches, and Church elders & ministers.


    "Black Chicago Residents Slam City Officials over $51 Million Funding for Migrants"


    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ficials-over-51-million-funding-for-migrants/

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    Black citizens in Chicago flooded the city council meeting on Wednesday to express concerns over the city’s plan to allocate $51 million to support migrants in the city.

    The Chicago City Council ultimately approved the $51 million funding for migrants by a 34-13 vote, much to the dismay of the city’s black residents. The funding, which is expected to last through June, comes amid a wave of migrants entering the sanctuary city due to President Joe Biden’s border crisis.

    Chicago has reportedly seen more than 10,000 migrants enter the city since August.

    Before the city council vote, Chicago Republicans leaders and members of the Black Community Collaborative and Neighborhood Network Alliance held a press conference urging city council to reject the $51 million plan

    “We don’t know where that money is coming from,” Chicago GOP chairman Steve Boulton said. “We are not being told where that money is going to be spent. We are not being told how it is being spent. It is irresponsible for the City Council to appropriate what is no more than stopgap money that will get us through a month or two and then the problem will still be staring at us in the face.”

    The black residents who spoke out against the city’s plan argued the city should divert funds to help Chicago citizens first.


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    "Four children and two adults injured in knife attack in French Alps"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/08/knife-attack-french-alps-annecy

    "Four children and two adults have been injured in a knife attack in the Alpine town of Annecy in France.

    "The children – one aged 22 months, two aged two years old and one aged three – were in a critical condition from stab wounds, and were transferred to hospitals in the French Alps and across the Swiss border in Geneva on Thursday afternoon.

    "Dozens of other very young children were receiving support for the trauma of witnessing the stabbings, which happened at a lakeside playground. High school children who also witnessed the attack were being treated for shock.

    "One of the critically injured young children was British, the UK foreign secretary, James Cleverly, confirmed. French authorities said the British child was a tourist. Another of the children was Dutch. A 70-year-old man was also seriously injured – first stabbed by the knife-attacker and then injured by police fire. A second adult was treated for injuries.

    "At about 9.45am, a man armed with a knife entered the playground near Annecy’s famous lake, an area prized by locals and tourists for its quiet calm and breathtaking views. The man walked past the adults in the park and targeted very young children with a knife – including one child in a pushchair, according to witnesses. Within minutes, the attacker was pursued by police. He then attacked an elderly man in a different part of the park. Police fired shots and detained the attacker, who was unharmed, and was being questioned by police.

    "The local prosecutor said an inquiry was under way for attempted murder and the suspect, named as Abdalmasih H, was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol. National police, rather than anti-terrorist investigators, were heading the investigation. The prosecutor said the initial investigations showed that “there is no apparent terrorist motive”.

    "The French prime minister, Élisabeth Borne, said the suspect was a Syrian man who had been granted refugee status in Sweden. Police described him as aged in his early 30s. Borne said he was homeless and an “isolated individual”. He had asked for asylum in France, which had not been processed because he already had refugee status in Sweden. Because he had EU refugee status, he was free to travel legally to France.

    "Police sources told Le Monde that the man had declared himself to be a Syrian Christian in his French asylum application. Le Monde and other French media reported that he had been wearing a Christian cross on a chain round his neck when arrested."
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    Seems the migrant was some sort of mental case. Moved country to country. For a month prior to the stabbing he'd been witnessed in the park. He would dress in solid black clothing and was known to talk to himself. His psycho behavior set off no warnings. The police seem to have never been notified, nor dealt with him themselves. Once upon a time when there existed a thing called "civilization", mentally ill people got sent to hospitals for treatment, for protection of self and society. This fellow was an in-your-face psychotic and large & healthy enough (physically anyway) to be a danger to himself and other people.

    https://greekcitytimes.com/2023/06/10/france-syrian-annecy-through-greece/

    "More and more revelations are becoming known about the life and actions of Abdelmasih H, who stabbed six young children and adults in a park in France.

    "As the French press points out, the Syrian terrorist does not have a serious medical history. However, residents of the town of Annecy told French media that the attacker walked to the scene of the crime almost every day.

    " 'He would sit for hours on a bench and talk to himself', as one of the residents who had seen him several times in the last few days pointed out.

    "Several women told the French network 'BFMTV' that he had been in the area for over a month and was behaving strangely."

    " 'We wondered if he was on medication,' claimed one of them, who described him as a person who often talked to himself, liked to isolate himself, and there were times when he appeared agitated."

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    Old Gzr: Holy crap, does it take a psychotic going ahead and acting-out to get them hospitalized?! This is so wrong! The police should have spoken to this individual. They should have asked him if he was troubled and that they would help him get help if anything was seriously wrong. During their training, cops need to know how to handle such situations such that they do not "set-off" people with severe mental illness. Police have trained individuals who "talk-down" suicidal jumpers. These same trained individuals should be brought in to deal with the severely mentally ill.

    Not hospitalizing severely mentally ill people is a recipe for disaster. When on the streets, they stop taking their legal meds and self-medicate with dangerous drugs which make their conditions much worse. These people when put out on the streets get raped and robbed ... sometimes killed. If their condition involves paranoia, they can become aggressive. And, banning knives does nothing to keep stabbings from happening.
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  14. lonewolf

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    was downgraded to 3 children and 1 adult, the adult had superficial wounds and the kids were all airlifted to hospital( 1 was British on holiday), they received hospital treatment and none are in life threatening condition.
    the perpetator has been arrested and is thought to have mental health problems, physicatric tests are being carried out.
     
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    "Belgium adds beds for migrants as EU faces rising arrivals"

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/belgium-adds-beds-migrants-eu-faces-rising-arrivals-2023-03-09/

    "BRUSSELS, March 9 (Reuters) - Belgium on Thursday announced it would expand reception capacity to cope with what it called a migration "crisis" as EU ministers debated bringing down rising numbers of arrivals and overhauling their broken asylum rules ahead a bloc-wide election next year.

    "Belgium, one the world's richest countries, has been unable to provide accommodation to many new arrivals, with reception centres almost full. Hundreds of people have been squatting in places such as an abandoned building and a tent city in the capital Brussels, home to EU institutions.

    "Officials have said hosting refugees from Ukraine and increasing immigration from Africa and Asia is straining the country of some 11.6 million people.

    "Data from refugee agency CGRS shows Belgium received more than 36,800 asylum applications in 2022, more than 40% up on the year and the highest since 2016. On top of that there are more than 60,000 Ukrainian refugees, according to Belgian statistics.

    "Belgium's reception capacity of just over 34,000 places is currently nearly entirely full, according to asylum agency Fedasil, leading to scenes like the ones in Brussels where people have been left to fend for themselves, setting fires against the cold in the city centre."
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    "How Europe's housing crisis impacts migrants"


    https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/48959/how-europes-housing-crisis-impacts-migrants

    "Countries across the European Union are grappling with its worst housing crisis in decades. Migrants are feeling the sharp end of the housing shortage.

    "Europe is imploding as it struggles to find solutions to its massive housing crisis.

    "In Germany, the projected housing shortage is expected to reach 700,000 by 2025. It is the worst housing crisis the country has seen in 20 years.

    "In the Netherlands, about 845,000 homes need to be built by 2030 to meet the country’s demand.

    "The equal housing advocacy group Abbé Pierre Foundation estimated France’s homeless population to be at least 300,000, thrice as many as in 2001.

    "All across the European Union, an increasing number of people are struggling to find a roof over their heads."

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  16. Old Geezer

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    "Over 10,000 Illegal Migrants Land in Britain Despite Sunak’s Claims of Success in Stopping the Boats"

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...naks-claims-of-success-in-stopping-the-boats/

    "The number of illegal migrants that have crossed the English Channel in small boats from the beaches of France has reportedly topped 10,000 since the start of the year, despite Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s claims of success in stopping the crisis.

    "With the government’s plan to send illegals to Rwanda to have their asylum claims processed offshore — rather than putting migrants up in expensive UK hotels — still being bogged down in the courts, the Sunak administration has looked at alternatives such as putting migrants on former military bases and even floating barges.

    "The government announced earlier this month that it had purchased two barges, with the capacity of holding up to 500 migrants a piece. Yet, even if this plan goes ahead, the government would need to buy at least three more just to hold the migrants that crossed this week, alone."
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  17. lonewolf

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    the number of illegal migrants crossing the channel has reached 11,000 as of today.
    if it was up to me I'd send out the gun boats, its an invasion pure and simple, we MUST be allowed to control our own borders, none of these people are refugees they are simply economic migrants looking for a better life and most are young males, proved by all the ones you see in the hotels and the camps (and on the streets because they arent locked in even though they got here illegally).
     
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  18. Old Geezer

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    Biden regime unconcerned about potential saboteurs from enemy nations crossing into our country. Tells one a whole lot about the intent of the biden international puppet-masters. End goal = clandestinely invade and disrupt America -- "Death by a thousand cuts."


    "Rising Number of Russian, Chinese Nationals at US Southern Border Raises Security Concerns"

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/risin...344426.html?src_src=partner&src_cmp=ZeroHedge

    "House Republicans stated that Customs and Border Protection (CBP) have intercepted an increasing number of foreign nationals from countries not in South or Central America, including Russia, and several high-value targets from China.

    "In a June 21 Committee on Homeland Security hearing on Threats Posed to the Homeland by Nation-State Actors in Latin America, held by the House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Law Enforcement, and Intelligence, concerns were raised by several lawmakers regarding the potential dangers posed to the United States by an unsecured border.

    "During the hearing, Rep. August Pfluger (R-Texas) voiced his alarm and shared significant information regarding encounters with foreign nationals from various countries of concern.

    “ 'I am concerned that the chaos of the Southwest border could be taken advantage of by anti-U.S. regimes—not just can, but has been,' Pfluger said.

    “ 'Meanwhile, the PRC and our foreign adversaries are expanding their spheres of influence in Latin America, right in our backyard. … There are clear implications for U.S. Homeland Security.'

    "Pfluger highlighted the growing migration crisis resulting from the administration’s policy decisions, leading to significant increases in encounters at the Southwest border. Of particular concern were the encounters involving individuals from what he referenced as the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and Russia.

    "He pointed out that several sheriff’s offices had reported apprehending multiple high-value targets from China, who were subsequently taken into custody by the FBI and cited data from the CBP showing increase in fiscal year 2023 encounters with nationals from various continents by border patrol along the Southwest border.

    “ 'In the first seven months of fiscal year 2023, over 9,711 PRC nationals were encountered by U.S. border patrol along our Southwest border exponentially more than the previous three years,” Pfluger said, warning that the “chaos of the Southwest border could be taken advantage of by anti-U.S. regimes.'

    "The lawmaker went on to emphasize that the expanding influence of China and other foreign adversaries in Latin America posed clear implications for U.S. homeland security. The chairman further stressed the urgent need to address the security challenges associated with nation-state actors in the region.

    "According to information cited by the lawmakers, in 2021 CBP reported just 4,103 encounters of Russian citizens along our Southwest border. However, that number jumped to 21,763 in fiscal year 2022 and it’s over 33,000 for the first seven months of fiscal year 2023."

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    Many of you already know this but just in case, Kamala Harris was born in Iran and speaks Persian/Farsi.

    "Newt Gingrich: If Kamala Harris Hates America And Thinks It's Racist, Why Is She Vice President?"


    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...nks_its_racist_why_is_she_vice_president.html

    "Newt Gingrich questioned if Vice President Kamala Harris truly loves America in reaction to the Biden administration's decision to use a quote by Harris that calls the U.S. xenophobic, anti-Semitic, and homophobic for the U.S.'s 'Virtual Embassy' for Iran.

    " 'These people are assuming that we are so stupid that they can tell us anything they want to and we'll nod yes,' Gingrich said of Democrats. 'I don't know if you've seen what Kamala Harris just tweeted into Iran in Farsi. It basically said America is an evil country, a terrible country, and a bad -- it's unbelievable. We are homophobic, misogynist, racist. For a Vice President of the United States to have sent this internationally is, you have to wonder if you hate America? And if she hates America, why is she Vice President? It's astonishing.' "

    " 'The people on the left are rapidly degenerating into this kind of totally impossible position,' Gingrich said. 'So for those who are reasonably rational, they're just going to lie about it. They're going to come back to you and say, 'What inflation? What immigration? What murder rate? Why are you mad at me? I didn't have anything to do with that. I wasn't even here.' '


    " 'I am a historian,' Gingrich said. 'I don't remember any period in American history where a major party has been this out of touch with reality and is now out of touch with itself. I mean, it's astonishing to watch.' "

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    I believe that the core point LoneWolf makes is profoundly applicable.

    "... we MUST be allowed to control our own borders ..."

    A borderless world will, 100%, cause profound enmity and inevitably, violence. If one understands human nature, then one understands that "trespassing" is hard-wired into human brains (actually, all mammalian species have this hard wired into their central nervous systems). Thus, the prohibition of trespassing has been codified into the laws of every nation. Personally speaking, I am profoundly proud of my white ancestors having leased the land from the Cherokee instead of taking it by force (re: Watauga Association).

    "Fair is fair." It is a survival trait to be "fair". Why? To prevent conflict and resultant casualties. Need I say that there is reason behind rules. The better nature, the intelligent nature of humans is to prevent needless conflict. This separates us from brute animals.

    Britain, with its CURRENT population, must import food. Anyone arguing for an increased population within Britain, must provide the agricultural engineering specifications as to how these newly-arrived are to be housed and fed. So far, I myself have seen ZERO plans as to how this is to be accomplished. There's the "sending them back to Africa plan" and there is the housing of migrants on floating hotels (which is beyond insufficient ... to the max ... crazy). These "solutions" are childish, intellectually profane.

    Taking-in more people into the U.K. is illogical. If the U.K. requires people with unique intellectual skills, then such should be studied, specified, written into law as a temporary measure, and only then allowed. The random influx of unknown people is, as LoneWolf points out, called "an invasion". Permitted or not, this is insanity writ large. The odds of this resulting in conflict is very, very high.
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    people that come here illegally are of the low skill variety, sure we need some people to work in the agricultural industry to pick crops that are not picked mechanically, but we also need high skilled people and I dont see any of them on the boats.
     
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      The international control freaks like herds of dependents / the useless. They necessitate welfare programs and the increased taxation to pay for it. This keeps the middle class beaten-down.
       
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    "Overwhelmed by immigrants: the fall of the Western Roman Empire was precipitated by immigrants--who had fled to Roman protection from the Huns--when the newcomers refused to follow Roman laws."

    https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Over...f+the+Western+Roman+Empire+was...-a0432063729

    Begin quote:

    A group of Goths known as Thuringians, after being overwhelmed by the Huns in several military engagements, took advantage of a lull in the Huns' advance to flee west to the border of the Danube River, beyond which lay the Roman province of Thrace. Their leader, Alavivus, petitioned the Eastern Roman emperor, Valens, for permission to cross the river and settle in Thrace, promising to be faithful subjects. For the moment, they were safe from the Huns' depredations, since the invaders were too busy looting the Goths' former settlements eastward to bother pursuing the Gothic host, but there was little doubt they would eventually reach the Danube themselves and fall upon the tens of thousands of Goths encamped there.

    Valens, who was worried at rumors of the approaching Huns, allowed the Thuringian Goths to cross the broad Danube and settle on Roman territory in hopes of enlisting them in defense of the empire. This act of emergency amnesty was disruptive enough, but as soon as the Thuringians had crossed the river, they began ranging far and wide over Thracian territory, foraging for food and sometimes plundering local settlements. Moreover, word of Roman amnesty soon spread, and a second Gothic host, the Gruthungians, soon appeared on the far shore of the Danube demanding the same right to immigrate. This time Valens, already aware that he had made a mistake in allowing the Thuringian host into Roman territory, turned down their petition. But the Gruthungians, not to be denied, constructed a floating bridge in secret and crossed the Danube anyway.

    These events took place in A.D., and marked the first time that the Roman Empire had effectively lost control of her borders; from that time on, the eastern frontier was ineffectually guarded, allowing a stream of violent, undesirable invaders to enter the empire unimpeded from the east.

    While it is extremely doubtful that the millions of illegal immigrants in the United States and Europe pose anything like the existential threat posed by the Goths to the Romans, there are parallels. Some modern immigrant populations--especially those made up of refugees displaced by war or social upheaval, like the current wave of immigrants overwhelming the EU--arrive in foreign lands more bent on survival than on submitting to orderly, legal assimilation. Under such circumstances, governments typically struggle to provide adequate food and shelter, leading to resentment and unrest. These in turn often harden the attitudes of the local populace and their governments toward the newcomers. In the heat of such crises, it can be extraordinarily difficult for governments--and citizenries--to act with prudence and restraint. Because of property rights and scarcity of resources, the noble notion of the brotherhood of man does not translate unconditionally to a right of absolutely unfettered movement; but it should enjoin Christian charity, constrained by enlightened self-interest, toward hard-pressed refugee populations.


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    "Illegal Alien, Protected by Virginia Sanctuary County, Accused of Attempting to Kidnap 4-Year-Old Girl"

    https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2023/06/26/illegal-alein-kidnap-4-year-old-girl/

    "An illegal alien, protected multiple times from arrest and deportation by the sanctuary county of Fairfax County, Virginia, is now accused of attempting to kidnap a four-year-old girl after breaking into an apartment.

    "Hyrum Baquedano Rodriguez, a 24-year-old illegal alien from Honduras, was arrested and charged late last week with burglary of an occupied dwelling and attempted abduction of a juvenile after allegedly breaking into an apartment in Fairfax County and trying to kidnap a sleeping toddler.

    "According to police, Rodriguez broke into the toddler’s room while she was asleep. When the toddler’s mother heard her crying, she entered the room and alleges her daughter told her a man grabbed her and then ran away.

    "Police arrested Rodriguez the following day after they said fingerprints from the toddler’s bedroom put him at the crime scene.

    "Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials confirmed to FOX5 D.C. that Rodriguez is an illegal alien from Honduras who first crossed the United States-Mexico border in August 2018 in Yuma, Arizona.

    "Rodriguez was transferred to Eloy, Arizona, days later, after being given a Notice to Appear (NTA) in immigration court. A federal immigration judge then issued a $15,000 bail for Rodriguez. Months later, in January 2019, he bailed out of federal custody.

    "ICE officials told FOX5 D.C. that, on numerous occasions, they sought to take custody of Rodriguez for arrest and deportation from the U.S., but sanctuary policies in Fairfax County protected him.

    "In November 2021, July 2022, November 2022, and February 2023, ICE agents asked Fairfax County for custody of Rodriguez. Each time, their requests were ignored. ICE agents have again requested custody of Rodriguez in the kidnapping case."
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    "Germany: Preteen Girls Sexually Assaulted by Afghan, Romanian Migrants at Swimming Pool"

    https://www.infowars.com/posts/germ...by-afghan-romanian-migrants-at-swimming-pool/

    "Migrants from Afghanistan and Romania were arrested for sexually assaulting underage girls at a swimming pool in Germany over the weekend, according to reports.

    "The latest disturbing incident at a German aquatic facility unfolded on Sunday in Mönchengladbach, a city in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia.

    "The suspects began to harass them and grab them under the water.

    "The suspects were all released and hit with lifetime bans from a dozen local pools.

    "Signage warning bathers and employees to be vigilant for such attacks have previously been posted around the aquatic center, but a spokesman for the operating company asserts more warnings should be displayed to prevent future episodes."

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    "Slew of Sex Attacks, Brawls at German Swimming Pools"

    https://www.infowars.com/posts/slew-of-sex-attacks-brawls-at-german-swimming-pools/

    "Sex attacks and mass brawls unfolded at swimming pools across Germany over the past few days as ‘teens’ and young men, many of foreign origin, wreak havoc during the summer bathing season, according to reports.

    "On Monday evening, a mob of around 30 people attacked life guards and security staff at an outdoor pool in Berlin.

    "When employees reprimanded teenagers for wearing street shoes in the bathing area, bedlam ensued.

    "Police were called to the scene but most of the assailants had fled.

    "However, two of the suspects were apprehended — a 16-year-old Lebanese male and a 14-year-old of 'unclear nationality,' BILD reports.

    "Earlier this month, multiple people were seriously injured when groups of ‘Afro-Arab asylum seekers’ engaged in a vicious brawl at a lakeside beach in Germany.

    "Just days prior, police were called to an aquatic center in Berlin after a brawl broke out between rival groups of ‘teens.’

    "The week before, a young mother was brutally attacked in front of her children by a mob of ‘youths’ terrorizing patrons at a swimming pool in Enkenbach-Alsenborn.

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    Back in 2016:

    "German Pool Forced To Segregate Men And Women After Asylum Seeker Sex Attacks"

    https://news.yahoo.com/german-pool-forced-to-segregate-men-and-women-113230109.html

    "BOSSES at a German waterpark are to segregate men and women following two horrific sex attacks.

    "It follows the confirmation earlier this week that police had arrested two asylum seekers from Afghanistan for a sex attack on two girls on the slides at the Arriba waterpark and swimming pool in Norderstedt, in northern Germany.

    "The girls aged 14 and 18 had been using the waterslides but their attackers, both from Afghanistan and aged 14 and 34, had been waiting for them at the bottom and had then sexually assaulted them.

    "The accused are being kept in custody as prosecutors said that the degree of the sexual assault was so severe that it justified rape charges.

    "Before that the adventure fun park was at the centre of similar problems last summer when four teenagers aged 15 and the fifth aged 17 had also been molested on the slides by a group of asylum seekers.

    "Seven boys had blocked the slide with their rubber rings and then started groping the girls on the breasts and had been putting their hands between their legs.

    "But those measures did not stop the attack in February on the two teenagers, although the waterpark is still not going as far as banning asylum seekers."

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    June 23, 2023

    "Rising Sexual Assaults on German Women in Swimming Pools By Muslim Migrants Spark Urgent Concerns"

    https://indusscrolls.com/rising-sex...ools-by-muslim-migrants-spark-urgent-concerns

    "Germany is facing a troubling crisis as sexual assaults against women and young girls in swimming pool facilities continue to escalate, particularly involving male migrants, especially those of Muslim background. Cities such as Cologne, Düsseldorf, and Berlin have witnessed a surge in these heinous acts, turning once peaceful sanctuaries for families into breeding grounds for sexual violence. Women and parents are living in fear, desperately seeking a solution to this growing menace.

    "In another incident during the Pentecost weekend in Stuttgart, a 23-year-old Syrian migrant was apprehended for groping multiple women at an outdoor swimming pool. Seven women aged between 12 and 18 fell victim to sexual assault in three separate incidents. Three men, including the Syrian migrant, were taken into custody."

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    France is on fire with riots. A cop murdering a migrant started it all. From what I read, the cop just out-n-out killed a kid. It was only a traffic stop. Unarmed kid (no gun was found) made trouble and tried to drive off = NOT a capital crime for heaven's sake!!!! Cop nuked the kid. Manslaughter.

    So I can see the migrants protesting a murder. Sure. But not burning down the country.

    Now here's why I'm posting this. The news has it that France has deployed 40,000 police. 40,000 !!!

    WTF! Didn't know France even had that many cops.

    "France Mobilizes 40,000 Police After All Hell Breaks Out"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-mobilizes-40000-police-after-all-hell-breaks-out

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    I saw film of the traffic stop, the cop stopped the kid who then drove off.
    more to this story than is being reported.
    I did not know he was a migrant but that figures, all these migrants think the laws dont apply to them and they can do what they want.
     
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    The following article isn't going to shock anyone. The rioting is spreading and the destructive nature is increasing.

    Miraculously, seems no one has been killed in all this mayhem ... yet. The death of one should never cause the death of many. Again, I can see street marches / protests. Those wronged had every right to demand legal system actions to seek justice.

    However, you don't burn down a country. This situation is descending into raw anarchy. I would that we had French nationals on this site so that we could get information from those whose boots are on the ground.

    Here is a paragraph from the article I list below:

    "Looting of businesses including gas stations, tobacconists, and apparel stores has also been reported. In one Parisian suburb, a truck was used to ram down the doors of a shopping centre so looters could access the stores inside."


    Looting, taking advantage of the chaos, is what we always get here in the USSA when minorities riot. Seems France is catching up with Amerika ... or should I say that France is descending into the same pit where this country has gone.

    I read that the French government might declare a state of emergency. Hmmmm ... seems that would be a rational thing to do. Especially when public buildings are getting burned. Here in the States, Antifa/BLM attempted to burn down a police station with the officers inside. The communist media didn't find that troubling -- just a "protest" thing.

    So far, seems the destruction in France is almost all in the cities. I'm going to search the web for more information. Reading the national news doesn't provide much except photographs. The following article contains several photographs. In stories concerning English speaking countries, I can go to the local news outlets where an event occurred. Within local news outlets, one can sometimes get some more truth without as much bias. Sometimes both sides of people's opinions are given -- this is rarely the case in national news where the only opinions reported are "politically correct". Getting any person-on-the-street insights from non-English-speaking countries requires accurate translation. Dang! (My German is useless.)

    "Violence Spiralling Out of Control in France: Massive Police Deployment Fails to Quell Burnings"


    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...ve-police-deployment-fails-to-quell-burnings/

    "The French government is considering “all options” including a nationwide state of emergency after another night of violence which saw hundreds of arrests and injured police officers, and thousands of fires, including many symbols of the state including town halls, schools, post offices, and buses destroyed.

    "Some 40,000 police officers were deployed across France on Thursday night in an attempt to forestall a third night of violence triggered by the death on Tuesday of a delivery driver at the hands of a police officer in a Paris suburb after he refused to comply with a traffic stop. Yet the enormous show of force by the French state failed to prevent even greater levels of destruction.

    "Per France’s Le Figaro reports there were 875 arrests overnight nationwide, which saw protest and violence spread to urban areas across the country and even to neighbouring Belgium, the home of the European Union. Figures that underline the considerable scale of the attacks reveal there were some 3,880 fires set overnight, 249 police officers injured — although none seriously — and 492 buildings damaged.

    "Among those buildings damaged were several town halls and schools burnt out, reports state. Le Parisien cites the Interior Ministry to report 80 police stations were damaged overnight, 34 town halls burnt or otherwise damaged, 28 schools, and 57 other state buildings nationwide. Attacks on symbols of the state appeared so targeted even individual post-boxes were attacked. President of the French Republican Party Eric Ciotti posted footage to social media that claimed to show a French mayor being attacked by a mob as his car was set on fire.

    "In Marseille, two off-duty police officers were recognised out of uniform and were 'seriously injured' in what has been described as a 'lynching'."

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    ‘War’: Left Outraged as French Police Unions Call For Order to be Restored Against ‘Savage Hordes’

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...r-order-to-be-restored-against-savage-hordes/

    "Police unions reported to the public prosecutor by a member of parliament who accuses them of inciting civil war with a press release that calls for order to be imposed against the rioting 'savage hordes'.

    "Two of France’s largest unions representing police officers released a joint statement on Friday, which with strident language said the rule of law must be restored 'by all means… as quickly as possible'. The statement claimed the police are presently “at war” with “harmful people” it characterised as savage or wild 'hordes'.

    "Asking for calm was no longer enough, the ALLIANCE and UNSA unions said, and that it now had to be 'imposed', saying its members and the broader public 'can no longer endure being dictated to by these violent minorities'.
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    apparently a gun shop was raided and hunting rifles taken but no ammunition.
    children as young as 13 are taking part in the looting and rioting.
     
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    Maybe France needs a wake-up call.

    During our Revolutionary War, France aided us mightily. It is such a horrid shame to see them go down the drain. What a beautiful country! And the land is so fertile -- it's a great food provider for Europe. Their invasion is tragic to witness.
     
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    more information is coming out about the teenager who was killed, he was well known to the Police, he had 15 criminal convictions and only the weekend before he was resisting arrest.
    it was sad the way he was killed but he was no saint, far from it.
    this seems to be the way that youth is going these days.
     
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    The arrogant puke who got nuked by the cop in France had grown up accustomed to getting by with sh##. Bad life's lessons, those. Fatal lessons.

    People gotta understand that if you make someone angry enough, they'll kill you.

    If I didn't fear the police, if I didn't fear God's eternal wrath, I would have by this age killed numerous men. I'm very, very good with a gun. I have no empathy for other men who are mean or arrogant. Their lives mean nothing. Killing a dog would be far more difficult for my heart.

    There are lots and lots and lots and lots of men like me. It is something to keep in mind. I do. Minding ones manners and watching out what you say to others is always a good policy in life. Being arrogant can lead to one's own death. Aggression ran in both sides of my family, thus I must stick a cork in that toxic bottle of anger deep down inside of me.

    Post SHTF, the aggressive tendencies in people will go unchecked.

    Currently in France, innate aggression has come out to play.

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    Sooooo, seems there's still "a hot time in the old town tonight" both in France and in America's Baltimore.

    Day 5 in France:

    "France Deploys 45,000 Police on Fifth Night of Nationwide Riots"

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...00-police-on-fifth-night-of-nationwide-riots/

    "The French government said Sunday that hundreds more had been arrested in a fifth night of rioting sparked by the police killing of a 17-year-old, as police deployed reinforcements to flashpoint cities around the country.

    "Protesters, mostly minors, have torched cars, damaged infrastructure and clashed with police in an outpouring of rage since an officer shot Nahel M. point blank as he attempted to flee a traffic stop on Tuesday.

    "Some 45 police officers or gendarmes were injured, 577 vehicles torched, 74 buildings set on fire and 871 fires set in streets and other public spaces, it said."

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    The mainstream media is calling the latest gangster shootout in Baltimore a "Mass Shooting". The social engineers / Sociology professors / gun-ban crowd / hand-wringers / "let's all sing Kumbaya" flakes blame this on firearms, not the out-of-control "humans" perpetrating the aggression. This sure isn't terrorism nor some nutcase copycat-shooter trying to get on the evening news. This in a U.S. inner city is "business as usual". Without fathers at home, without fear of prison, this is what happens. It's another "festive neighborhood block party" (after midnight) gone sideways in another public housing project. This time, it just happened to be Baltimore. You could simply fill in the blank any other city. It's where Amerika is right now ... and getting worse by the year.

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    "30 people shot in mass shooting at south Baltimore block party, 2 dead"

    https://www.wbaltv.com/article/mass-shooting-gretna-court-south-baltimore/44407826

    "Acting Baltimore Police Commissioner Rich Worley said during a news conference shortly after 5 a.m. that officers received multiple calls just after 12:30 a.m. for a mass shooting in the 800 block of Gretna Court, where there was a block party underway.

    "Residents told 11 News there was a large gathering in the neighborhood before they heard what sounded like fireworks, which they later learned were gunshots. Worley said the event was not permitted and police were unaware of it taking place until some time Saturday.

    "Worley said officers found an 18-year-old woman dead at the scene. Nine others were taken to hospitals, and as many as 20 others -- ranging in age from 13 to 32 -- arrived at hospitals across the region on their own. Worley said 14 minors were among the injured.

    "A 20-year-old man also died, and three others were in critical condition.

    "The University of Maryland Medical System said it received patients at Shock Trauma as well as others at the University of Maryland Medical Center's Pediatric Emergency Department.

    "MedStar reported receiving several patients at Harbor Hospital, some of which were stabilized and transferred to trauma centers. Some patients have been treated and released.

    "Worley said no suspects are in custody, but that investigators were reviewing video and talking to witnesses to try to identify at least two suspects.

    " 'We do know more than one person was shooting,' Worley said at an afternoon news conference. 'We don't know if they were targeted (shootings) or whether they were shooting indiscriminately up the street.' "

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    By the by, Wichita Kansas also had itself a shooting. Probably other cities, I've simply not looked yet. This venue was a night spot. Police told the news team that they had been called to this place 12 times here in 2023. In this latest event there were at least four shooters.

    https://ne1.www.yahoo.com/news/old-town-shooting-injures-9-132331530.html

     
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      Here's a positive message posted by someone in Wichita. Would that cooler heads would prevail. Let the street crap go.

       
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    The "protests" in France mirror "protests" in today's Amerika, i.e. violence, arson/businesses burned, looting, gunfire, ...

    The festivities continue ...


    "France riots chaos: Stolen supercar rams store and looting of motorbikes"




    "France Rioters Brandish Military Grade Weapons; Macron Huddle for Emergency Meet | Latest Updates"



    "France: Rioters Loot Louis Vuitton, Zara, Nike Stores In Paris; Total Madness Caught on Cam"




    "France riots: Mayor's wife hurt after attack on their home - BBC News"






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    the worst protests we have over here are the "just stop oil" lot who are just a plain nuisance.
     
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    The riots of 2011 in England will return, but in a greater magnitude. Those future riots will return in even greater magnitude. The cities in England that house millions of migrants will inevitably be destroyed.

    The likely cause of these riots will be the collapse of Western economies and the resultant cessation of public benefits. Or, rioting could be set-off by the killing of a migrant or migrants by the police as is that which just happened in France or which happened in England in 2011.

    No problems have been solved. Migrants are not being assimilated into Western Culture. Many migrants are Muslim and thus consider Christians and agnostics/atheists as infidels worthy of being conquered or killed.
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    the riots in London in 2011 are very similar to what happened in Paris the other day, a mixed race male was killed by Police, the riots that followed were just an excuse for violence and looting, this lasted for 5 days, some other cities also had riots which were "copycat" events but not on the same level as in London, no riots occurred in the far South West, I guess we have more sense down here.
    the collapse of Western economies and then social cohesion is one of the reasons I and others prepare.
    "multi culturalism" does not exist, what we have is a multitude of cultures who do not integrate.
     
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    "Eritrean Migrant Jailed for Life Over Murderous Knife Attack on Teen Girls Walking to School"

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...knife-attack-on-teen-girls-walking-to-school/

    "BERLIN (AP) – A man who attacked two girls and killed one of them in Germany last year was sentenced to life in prison on Tuesday, German news agency dpa reported.

    "The 27-year-old Eritrean, who came to Germany as an asylum seeker, was found guilty of murder and attempted murder with dangerous bodily injury, a regional court in the Bavarian city of Ulm ruled."

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    "No Tragedy Seems Enough to Change Europe’s Migration Policy, Laments Hungary"

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...-change-eus-migration-policy-laments-hungary/

    "Top Hungarian politician reflects on what he sees as weeks of tragedy caused by open borders policies, claiming events in France and the Mediterranean prove Hungarian voters are right to not want to participate in another migrant crisis.

    "Hungary’s foreign minister Péter Szijjártó has cited the costly week of nightly riots experienced in France, and the recent tragic loss of life in the Mediterranean when an overloaded smuggler boat capsized as arguments against continued mass migration. The speech in the nation’s gothic revival parliament has been reported by domestic media as being noteworthy for its unusually strident nature, even by the standards of normally robust Hungarian politics.

    "Claiming the riots in France show that Western Europe’s attempts to integrate large numbers of migrants have calamitously failed — potentially a deeply controversial statement to observers in France, where the migration background to the recent riots or not has barely been discussed in the mainstream yet — Szijjártó said 'It has become clear that it is quite simply impossible to integrate violent masses from other cultures arriving illegally in large numbers'”

    "Nevertheless, he reflected: 'Maybe there are, or were, still people in Europe who lived with the vain illusion that Western European social integration efforts can be brought off successfully. Well, if they turned on the television and watched the news from France, then I think that your fantasy will quickly turn into disillusionment.'

    "The Foreign Minister’s comments as the European Union tries to agree a new migration deal, and so critics say, force that vision on a handful of members who would rather not take part. Including Hungary and Poland, the plan would oblige all EU member states to take migrant redistribution, or else cough up considerable sums of money if they disagree."
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    Europe has an open borders policy within the EU.
    another reason for Brexit.
    if migrants went across the channel in small boats from Britain to France they would be swiftly returned, why cant we do the same? they are all illegal migrants after all.
     
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    If immigrants assimilated into the culture of the nations they enter, or if the immigrants were only going to stay until the wars in their home countries abated, then there would be little troubles appertaining to their actions.

    Seems this isn't the case.
     
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    "Over 20 Police Officers Injured at Eritrean ‘Cultural Event’ in Germany"

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...njured-at-eritrean-cultural-event-in-germany/

    "BERLIN (AP) – German police said at least 22 officers were injured and dozens of people were detained Saturday during unrest at an Eritrean cultural event in the western city of Giessen.

    "Police said bottles were thrown and smoke bombs were ignited as groups of Eritreans opposed to the African nation’s autocratic ruler tried to force their way to the venue.

    "About 1,000 officers, a water cannon and helicopters are deployed in the city, which is about 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of Frankfurt. Police spokesman Christopher Pfaff urged the public to avoid the center of Giessen while the operation is ongoing."

    Other sources:

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-26-officers-injured-at-eritrean-festival-police/a-66165991

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    The biden regime is going after Texas, tooth and nail, for having the audacity to attempt to defend itself from the migrant crisis. The biden administration's war on America is relentless.

    "DOJ to sue Texas over floating border barrier; Abbott says 'see you in court' "

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-sue-texas-floating-border-barrier-abbott-says-see-you-in-court

    "The Department of Justice says it intends to sue Texas Gov. Greg Abbott over the use of a floating buoy border barrier to stop illegal immigration into the state — a move that immediately drew a fiery response from the Republican governor.

    " 'The State of Texas’s actions violate federal law, raise humanitarian concerns, present serious risks to public safety and the environment, and may interfere with the federal government’s ability to carry out its official duties,' the DOJ said in a letter to Abbott, first reported by the Houston Chronicle.

    "Abbott announced the barrier, consisting of orange buoys and intended to discourage migrants from crossing the Rio Grande, in June and began installing it this month. It is part of Operation Lone Star, a multifaceted operation to tackle the border crisis amid what Republicans say is a vacuum of leadership from the federal government."

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    "The other Death Valley: hundreds of migrants are dying in remote Texas deserts"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ths-border-crossing-texas-mexico-extreme-heat

    "Immigration policies have forced desperate people to traverse inhospitable landscapes along the US-Mexico border

    “ 'Most of the bodies I encounter are already skeletonised,' said Canales, who runs the South Texas Human Rights Center, a non-profit based in Brooks county, Texas, working to put an end to the avoidable, harsh deaths, and reunite families with the remains of loved ones.

    "Brooks county covers almost 1,000 square miles of sparse, brush-covered, sandy ranch lands not far from the eastern end of the US-Mexico border and is at the heart of a deadly migration crisis that is seeing desperate people die in record numbers."

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    "El Paso looks like a ‘third-world country’ after Texas border city is overrun by migrants"


    https://nypost.com/2022/09/13/el-paso-texas-overrun-with-migrants/

    "Regional Border Patrol Chief Gloria Chavez posted snapshots Monday night on Instagram that showed hordes of migrants dumped under an El Paso bridge over the weekend because the city has no more room to even process them.

    “ 'We’ve never seen anything like this,' said outraged US Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-Texas), whose district covers part of the city, as El Paso began grappling with its highest daily influx ever last month.

    “ 'It’s a scene that you would see in a third-world country, not in the streets of El Paso.'

    "Gonzalez warned, 'Everything that I’ve been told and every indication tells me that we haven’t seen the worst yet.'

    " 'Just when you think [things] can’t get any worse, they get worse.' "

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    "Illegal Immigrant Children With Tuberculosis Released Across US"

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/illegal-immigrant-children-tuberculosis-released-across-us

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    Thousands of young illegal immigrants with tuberculosis were released from U.S. government custody across one year, officials have revealed in a new report.

    The illegal immigrants, all under 18 years of age, were released to family members or other responsible adults despite having latent tuberculosis infection, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) said in a recent disclosure.

    The dates of each release were not clear. HHS officials notified state officials from June 1, 2022, to May 31, 2023, of the tuberculosis-positive youth over a web-based system operated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Aurora Miranda-Maese, an HHS official, told a court in the report.

    The CDC, which is part of HHS, declined to comment. HHS did not respond to requests for comment.

    A person with latent tuberculosis infection, or an infection without symptoms, requires three to nine months of treatment to prevent potential progression to active disease, according to HHS officials. Without treatment, 5 to 10 percent of infected people will develop active tuberculosis, or tubercolosis disease, according to the CDC.

    The CDC says that people with the disease are infectious, can transmit the disease to others, and can die if not treated. If tuberculosis becomes active, that is “a threat to both the individual’s and the public’s health,” according to Ms. Miranda-Maese.


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    Chicago officials dumped a bunch of migrants into a black neighborhood's unused building. This was formerly a grammar school building. This place should be used as a community center for the local residents and youth. "Midnight basketball" and other positive activities.

    Having male mentors and sports activities goes a long way in helping these kids who do not have a father at home. Keeping them off the streets is keeping them alive. Spending public money on night-time athletics is far more cost-effective than prison and hospital costs. With no fathers at home, women can NOT control their teenage sons. You can't reason with an aggressive teenage boy. I feared my dad and the other men of my community. Civilized respect has its origins in visceral fear. Human Psychology 101. When I was a teenager, I witnessed a bunch of felonies going down. But you had to be wary of the cops -- they'd mess you up, put you in the Emergency Room. My father was capable of much worse. Him and all of the other guy's dads were WWII veterans. They'd seen hell, yet dealt with it ... and had "dealt with" the enemy soldiers. They could be great guys, but they didn't put up with any crap. Quite frankly, that's the way we humans evolved. You gotta corral boys -- their hormones kick-in a decade before their brains mature.

    I digress.

    Back to the migrants dumped into a neighborhood without permission: These folk were mad. I watched some videos of the women going after the city officials. Those women were ANGRY. Man, I sure don't blame them! :mad: These folk already have to put up with gang activity, now a bunch of out of control foreigners are foisted off onto them.

    These migrants are NOT here legally from the get-go. Lease some cargo ships and send them back down to Central America.


    "Woodlawn residents take city officials to task for 'disruptions' at migrant shelter"

    https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/woodlawn-migrants-meeting/

    "CHICAGO (CBS) – Confrontations, anger, and frustration were on display Monday evening as neighbors in Woodlawn talked about what they call big problems at a nearby migrant center.

    "As CBS 2 Political Investigator Dana Kozlov reported, the meeting at the Apostolic Church of God, 6320 S. Dorchester Ave., focused on the migrant shelter in the old Wadsworth Elementary School – a few blocks away at 6420 S. University Ave.

    " 'I would ask you all to go out there – go out there at night, in the middle of the night – and see what goes on,' one woman said at the meeting.

    "What's going on - according to community members - is loitering, late-night partying, littering, prostitution, and at least one fight between migrants and residents.

    " many of the residents said they no longer have any tolerance for the disruptive behavior by those seeking asylum here. The residents said it is making them feel unsafe.

    " 'They disrespect us, they rob us, they harass us,' another woman said.

    "All the city officials who attended the meeting promised they are working on solutions to make the area around the shelter better for the neighborhood – and consequences for those who are found to be breaking the rules or the law.

    "But residents said they want to see something happen, and something change, immediately.

    "Taylor said the initial plan was to house migrants at the old Wadsworth School until October 2024. She said she is pushing to make sure the building is turned back over to the community at that time."

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    Here is a video of a meeting where city officials told locals that they were going to dump migrants in their neighborhood -- specifically the disused elementary school building. Chicago officials could have made much better use of that building. To me, the building looks fabulously built. The city could renovate it and use it for many purposes. My small home town did that with older school buildings. They renovated them and put offices therein.

    Note that one guy speaking in the following video (he's addressing Chicago city officials) says something like the following, "You guys are taking care of all of these foreigners, so why aren't you do these things for us?!" Gosh, I'd like to buy that man a beer!

    Again, this meeting shown below was before the dumping. At the meeting in the above article, the people were furious -- matters had gone seriously sideways and the cops weren't doing anything about the migrants' illegal activities.

     
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    "Germany: Gang rapes hit another record high in 2022, half of offenses committed by foreigners"

    "While foreigners make up 14 percent of the population, they account for 50 percent of all gang rapes in Germany"

    May 25, 2023

    https://rmx.news/crime/germany-gang...022-half-of-offenses-committed-by-foreigners/

    "Gang rapes have hit another record high in Germany in 2022, reaching a pace of more than two a day in the country, according to data released by the government after a request for information from the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party.

    "The data shows that the total number of gang rapes hit 789, higher than last year when the number hit 677 and the previous record high of 710 in 2019. In 2017, there were 380 gang rapes recorded, more than 50 percent fewer than recorded in 2022.

    "The data shows that exactly 50 percent of all gang rapes are committed by foreigners. However, as Remix News previously reported, individuals with a migration background, or even those with dual citizenship, who number nearly 4 million, are simply listed as 'German.' As a result, it is unclear what percentage of these rapes were committed by ethnic Germans.

    "The data shows the strongest increase in rapes coincided with Germany’s migrant population swelling due to the 2016 migrant crisis. That was the same year that the infamous sexual assaults took place in Cologne on New Year’s Eve, in which an estimated 1,049 women were sexually assaulted and sometimes gang raped by men from North Africa and the Middle East.

    "Many of the country’s most high-profile gang rapes have involved foreign men targeting German women.

    "In other countries, the same trend can be seen. Two prominent Swedish academics were prosecuted for showing that migrants and foreigners were vastly overrepresented in sexual assault and rape statistics. Nearly all gang rapes in the country were committed by foreign men. As Remix News reported in an article on Denmark, which keeps the most accurate statistics on migrant crime in Western Europe, the numbers are astounding:

    "For example, for murder, non-European first-generation migrants are 279 percent more likely to commit murder, 464 percent more likely to commit rape, 220 percent more likely to commit assault, and 53 percent more likely to commit drug trafficking.

    "However, Denmark goes even further and analyzes second-generation non-European migrants as well, and that is where even more troubling statistics are revealed. While the assumption is that these children of migrants would be better integrated than their parents, the opposite is found.

    "For murder, this group is 850 percent overrepresented, with astounding figures also for assault (443 percent) and drug trafficking (304 percent). The only category where this group is lower is in regards to rape (158 percent).

    “ 'From the second generation, the descendants of non-European immigrants peak at +98% overrepresentation in the crimes committed. Danish figures show that the second generation of non-European immigrants is less integrated than the first, and has an 18% higher chance than their parents of being tried for a crime,' writes RAGE magazine.


    "In Italy, migrants are responsible for almost half of all rapes, and Austria has reported similar numbers as well."
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      Meanwhile, up in the north of Spain:

      (Seems I've got some Basque blood in me. Got DNA results. The Basque region is awash in Rh negative blood type -- my blood type is A neg. I hate that this is happening. Don't invade Spain! Are the Moors gonna try to take back the Iberian Peninsula?! Hopefully, the Spanish will fight back.)

      https://rmx.news/crime/leaked-polic...olent-robbery-at-spanish-festival-were-arabs/

      "Of the 79 individuals arrested for aggravated robbery and intimidation at this year’s summer festival in the Spanish city of Bilbao, 75 were of Arab origin, a leaked police detainee list revealed."

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    "German government permits Afghan refugees to bring second wives to country despite polygamy laws"

    https://rmx.news/migration/german-g...econd-wives-to-country-despite-polygamy-laws/

    "Afghan nationals who worked with the German army during the military operation in the country have had requests to bring their second wives and children to Germany approved, a move that is posing complex legal problems.

    "In one instance, the husband is living with one wife and three children while the second wife lives in a separate apartment nearby with another seven children.

    "Another husband is understood to be living with both his wives and nine shared children.

    "As the number of new arrivals rises, including large families under reunification laws, so too is the number of children receiving state benefits, which has hit a record high. A total of 888,218 foreign minors now receive state welfare benefits, a figure that has tripled in 13 years, with 303,962 minors receiving financial assistance in 2010."

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    This is how Germans come in second, third, and fourth place in their own country.....

    This is how Ishmaelites in government work to cause Germans to come in second, third, and fourth place in their own country.


    It will happen here in the USA too if not already...because the same flock of Ishmaelites are running this show..


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    Millions in Germany and other European countries are getting fed up with it. Protests against open borders result in the Leftist media labeling them "right wing extremists", sometimes even, "neo-NAZIs". There are actual NAZIs out there, but their numbers are profoundly low. Ukraine has quite a few neo-NAZI organizations, yet they are still a distinct minority.

    The mainstream press is now an out-of-the-closet propaganda organ. The students who don't have the IQ to make it in technical fields go into education, political, and media studies. These students are easily indoctrinated by their communist professors.

    But the mainstream press is no longer being listened to by the masses. Even in biased surveys, the people state that they no longer trust the media. As people grow in maturity, they shake-off the bullsh## lectures they were made to endure in school. Those in the media and those in the deep state government positions live in glassed-in terrariums and consider those outside of their world as being beneath them. Reading technical articles or articles containing "statistics" written by these news folk instantly shoes their lack of reasoning ability. I've helped with research studies (obviously at university, but also in university workplaces), plus worked Quality Control for a couple of decades. So, when I look at numbers presented in the media, I have to hold my nose due to the foul odors they give off. Thing is, the very tragic thing is, that many of these leftists actually believe the crap they've been handed by their socialist overlords.

    To the working classes, unchecked migration means that their leverage is lost with their employers. Employers can employ what is essentially slave labor.

    To the working classes, unchecked migration means that their taxes go up to pay for government handouts to people who are not only non-citizens, but are people who are in their country illegally.

    Unchecked migration has already resulted in violence, but what we are seeing now is but the beginning of major flashpoints of future violence. Example: How is having millions of migrants going to play-out when Western economies collapse. Imaging the anger when food shortages kick-in. There will be savage conflicts at grocery stores (that food will be gone in a day or two) and food distribution centers. We see this happening on other continents. That is coming here.

    Part of prepping is to avoid such conflicts or to be able to survive when the aggressors come knocking at one's own door. Desperate people fan-out to find food. Sometimes the looting of food is called "foraging", ex. "During the Civil War, the Union soldiers foraged the homes and fields of Alabama."
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    After catastrophic events, some areas will have relief supplies, others will have nothing. Abandoned houses get looted first.

    Within this article somewhere, canned sardines and rice came to the rescue for one family. Don't let anyone laugh at you for putting back canned meat and rice! I got ribbed at work for having canned food and instant rice packs in one file cabinet drawer in my office.

    KUALA LUMPUR flood 2014

    https://www.malaymail.com/news/mala...ms-loot-homes-for-food-and-fresh-water/808959

    "The menace is also not purely elemental; desperation born of hunger and thirst has prompted some flood victims to begin looting homes for food and drink.

    "Fearful of the dangers brought by the inundation that has already claimed seven lives and forced over 100,000 people from their homes, Ryonn Leong is mulling the drastic measure to reach his sister, elderly parents, younger brother and his pregnant wife, and their two-year-old daughter marooned in Kuala Krai.

    “ 'Just few minutes ago, there are cases where people are breaking into houses to steal food and valuables too.' he told Malay Mail Online via text yesterday.

    "Likening the scene to a 'zombie apocalypse', with petrol kiosks nearly drained of fuel and some supermarkets cleaned out of canned food, the 29-year-old categorised conditions as dire."

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    by Olde Geezer...

    I'm sure you misquoted here......

    I think you mean......"Deplorables"....do you not!!????


    I do the same at my work location.....food as well as communications ...short wave receiver as well as Ham walkie talkies...Also Sterno stove. Even have instant coffee...though I prefer fresh brewed........particularly winter time. Most of the year I just drink water...
    I'm not big into sodas.


    Watching closely and with concern this storm front Lee...still out to see but very very strong...


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    Yes, I stand corrected. My deplorableness oft times compromises my judgements.

    The MSR Dragonfly has adapters to accommodate other fuels such as kerosene. I don't know what the part is called. "Flame adaptor" ??? I immediately swapped my Dragonfly fuel to kerosene. I store kerosene in the shed/workshop. My wife hates the smell. Me, I couldn't care less. All of my life I'm surrounded by kerosene. My paternal grandmother born before 1900 put mustard plasters on my chest that were soaked in kerosene and menthol. In her days, there were NO antibiotics and children just died, so she treated me whenever I got a flu of some sort. Lamps were kerosene. I've had house heater fueled by kerosene. Trucks ran on diesel. Kerosene kerosene kerosene ... The smell fills my head even as I write this.

    Gasoline in any form, I see as dangerous. How many stories?! Gasoline I put in my car, my tiller, my lawn tractor, ... I always wait until a lawn or garden engine is cool before pouring gas into its tank. Gasoline is dangerous. Kerosene is manageable. Chainsaws / two cycle engines take a mix starting out with gasoline -- this I am beyond careful with. Hot chainsaw? Let it cool before refueling it! Take a rest. Patience, in all things. Safety. Again, too many stories, very bad stories. Hideous.

    https://www.msrgear.com/stoves/liquid-fuel-stoves/dragonfly-stove/11774.html

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    Brought a second Baofeng VHF/UHF walkie talkie to work yesterday and also a second Abree 42.5 inch fold up antenna....and put it in my locker. Today I will bring another extended 3800 mAh battery to go into the same locker....

    I have several Baofeng walkie talkies here at home including my normal Base Station with long and short range Comms.

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