Night Vision Device (nod)

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  1. Dalewick

    Dalewick Master Survivalist
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    Does anyone here have any experience with this NOD. ABNV/MOD-3B Mono Pod Housing
    https://nvincorporated.com/product/ab-night-vision-mono-pod/

    It was reviewed in OFFGRID magazine and ranked very well. For $500 I am strongly considering getting one. It can be used with PVS-14 mounts as a monocular or you can purchase 2 and they have a mount for use as binoculars. It uses a LED IR flood light for increased gain. Mounted to my helmet and using a IR headlight on my SXS it would be great to drive around without being seen. Not to mention use with a weapon.

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    Dale
     
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  2. Dalewick

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  3. varuna

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    Sorry don't have any experience with the particular mod. But why do you use IR headlight thus giving away your position to anyone that use NIR / IR optic, or any 4 legged that see in NIR or IR spectrum. Why not using better IR optic (more modern gen) that doesn't need illumination (at least in most case)?
     
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  4. Dalewick

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    The reason I don't have/will have a better quality NOD. $$$$$$$$ Retired and on a fixed income and the $3000 to $6000 price for a Gen 3+ NOD isn't in the budget. Where I live NOD's aren't in use much (if at all) so that wouldn't be much of a worry and if TEOTWAWKI does come. I will upgrade when possible.

    Even uncle Sam uses IR headlight on some of the newer fast attack vehicles.

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    Except for snakes and some birds I know of no mammals (besides humans) that see in the IR/NIR spectrum. What 4 legged species are you referring to?

    Dale
     
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  5. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Dale and Varuna,

    Excellent point, Varuna !

    Even some of the fluorescent paints can be "seen" by countermeasure instruments.
     
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  6. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Dale,

    The US Army is no longer the world's premier military, less contractor pronouncements.

    "The future battlefield is becoming empty If you are present, you are destroyed. The only options are stealth or autonomous systems."

    Col Ehud Gal, Israel MOD official, Defense News, August, 2009
     
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  7. lonewolf

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    you cant BUY your way out of SHTF/TEOTWAWKI.
     
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  8. Dalewick

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    WOW! Just a simple question of experience with this NOD. I'm not going into combat. Been there, done that and have NO desire to go back. This device will be used for night time observations and hunting when/if needed. In the mountains of West Virginia, not some modern battlefield.

    WTF! What are you talking about? A NOD, drill, gun or knife are all just tools. You don't buy tools?

    Dale
     
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  9. Sourdough

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    OK.......But you can purchase a hammer, yet the hammer delivered to the intended construction site, it self does not build anything, it just lays there.

    Now a man with the skill and knowledge can use the hammer to create.
     
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  10. varuna

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    Feline (cat) sees in NIR. Although few snakes do sees in fusion of both thermal & visible (Reticulated phyton is the prominent example) I don't know any snakes that sees in either NIR or IR
     
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  11. Dalewick

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    Pit Vipers also detect (not sure if see would be correct) the IR spectrum. Once a pit viper reaches 82F it's pit organs begin to sense the IR spectrum, similar to how the pythons and boas do.

    Felines actually don't see in IR or NIR as in the sense of being able to detect thermal wavelengths. Like a night vision device though they do see in far lower light than most animals by collecting the available photons very well.

    Dale
     
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  12. TMT Tactical

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    The I.R. light wave is not visible to the naked human eye. The actual light emitting bulb is detectable to the human eye. If the human eye does not actually see light emitting bulb, they cannot see the I.R. light unaided. The detection of I.R. emitters by human eyes depend on the angle. Night vision is worth while to have. Many say Thermal to locate and I.R. to identify. I plan to purchase a Thermal monocular and I.R. scope. Even budget, to get quality night hunting capability, you are going to spend a few thousand. The thermal will aid in detecting critters and the I.R. will help identify what critter you have spotted. You don't want to shoot the neighbors pet cat, dog or wondering kid.
     
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      The pet cat or dog, usually not. The wondering kid....sometimes, some times.... LOL!
       
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  13. lonewolf

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    exactly my point.
     
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  14. Ystranc

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    The Pulsar Trail LRF range of thermal imaging scopes are perfectly capable of being used to identify your target, are completely passive and are good up to about 850 yards.
    Not all IR devices use exactly the same wavelength of IR ilumination so it isn't a given that one device will detect another but if your IR lamp is able to be seen by another device it will be detectable at around 10 times the distance that you can actually see with it
     
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  15. Ystranc

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    The other huge advantage of thermal over IR is that the tubes of older non digital IR scopes are extremely susceptible to being burned out by bright light or laser. I know this works because it has caused a bit of a feud with my neighbour's son after I lamped him with one of those big five million candle power spot lights and burned out his night vision goggles... He was on my land so he had it coming, he was never able to explain why he was there wearing NV.
     
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  16. Dalewick

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    Then I must ask. Was your original comment aimed specifically at me?

    The soldier in me wonders if you were just questioning my skill sets. The old man in me wonders if you intended to be insulting.

    Dale
     
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  17. Old Geezer

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    Poor man's night vision = hanging flares.

    Hell, if the festivities have begun, then let's light up the night.

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  18. Dalewick

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    Flares work for you AND the enemy. If your dug in, no worries, but if your in the open and call in illumination....BAD PLAN!

    Dale
     
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  19. Old Geezer

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    As a resident, dug-in and all, I'm not going out and looking for trouble. Send the flares just behind the enemy to back-light them. One doesn't hang them directly above one's self. Sure, you'll get lit, but then I'd better have hardened my position a priori.

    I'd love to be able to afford night vision equipment, the stuff is not in my budget however. Flares, OK so they are affordable. What's needed is to get some that can go "out there" a good ways. And, one must hang them behind the attackers.

    Major task I want from a flare is to tell me the location/number of attackers I'm having to deal with. I also want my attackers to know that they are not going to get the full set of the benefits of a night attack. I certainly may know that my attackers are shooting at us from "that direction" => "they are sort'a kind'a, over there". However that's about all I know. I need some more intel. Any knowledge would help.

    https://www.firequest.com/G12-014.html

    Orion has all manner of flares. You'd be looking for parachute flares.

    http://www.orionsignals.com/product-groups/aerial-flares/product/135.html
     
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      I understand the idea of silhouetting any attackers by putting flares behind them but all they need do is get low enough to be below the horizon in order to disappear from view and you will have sacrificed your ability to see in low light as well as the element of surprise. Looking toward bright light at night will temporarily reduce your visual acuity.
       
      Ystranc, Jun 28, 2020
  20. Dalewick

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    What you want are called trip flares and are set using a trip wire. We used them for perimeter defense. Aerial flares are either hand fired from a tube. The big ones that I was referring to were fired in with 105mm Howitzers or 81 mm mortars and light up everything in the open.
    The military version is bad for starting forest fires in the fall and spring.

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    There is actually a civilian friendly version that uses high intensity light sticks and work very well.

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    For anyone that has night vision, there are IR light sticks and work very well in these. The intruder hears a snap but sees nothing, but the area is lit up by IR light for anyone watching the area with night vision. These are also used by the military.

    Dale
     
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    1. TMT Tactical
      Link or brand please. I like that concept plus smoke for daylight hours.
       
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    3. Ystranc
      I've used the version that sets off a blank shotgun shell before now. also a good solid product but I have no link to the one I used because it was old.
       
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  21. Old Geezer

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    Great stuff! Dynamite information!

    Major digression (I'm old, do forgive): The unions back in the 60's and 70's would toss sticks of dynamite onto the transformers of factories where I lived.

    These were the days when the textile factories were still here in America. Even in my small town, Burlington had two factories. There were factories of every ilk everywhere. Big companies located in Southern Appalachia for the cheap labor, plus you could kill a bunch of Southern folk and nobody gave half a sh##. The Y-12 plant was located in E.Tenn also. Glow in the dark Hillbillies, so what?! Even to this day, deer have to have a Geiger counter run over their antlers. There's a 50% fallout rate (get it? fall-out, weze jist a bunch'a cut-ups hyar in the mountains).

    These big factories had a small electrical substation outside of them, but usually was butted up against a factory wall. You'd drive by and see netting around the transformers and over the transformers. They'd also put packing / anything to mitigate the dynamite blasts. Our strikers would get very "motivated" in their activities.

    Coal company executive lived in a nearby town. Some union yahoos dynamited his house. He wasn't there. His three little girls were. Three white caskets. This upset the locals; there were hundreds of locals at the funeral. However, the law dogs got to them before my people (to include my paternal grandfather who was a big fan of the hangings). The murderers were executed by electrocution. TVA power put to good use.
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  22. lonewolf

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    none, it was a general comment. not aimed at anyone in particular.
     
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  23. Old Geezer

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    TMT Tactical mentioned the use of smoke.

    Whenever you find them, buy the HUGE smoke bombs -- bigger the better. Smaller items do NOT provide concealment for a groundhog much less humans. These work when the wind is very slight or non existent. Concealment buys you something. I'd rather my enemy think, "He's in there somewhere," than knowing exactly where I am.
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  24. Dalewick

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    Be careful when purchasing smoke bombs/grenades as some are toxic when breathed.
    Trip flares and others: https://pyrotechnicspecialties.com/signals-and-trip-flares/
    Lightstick trip flares: https://www.amazon.com/Cyalume-ChemLight-Military-Ultra-High-Intensity-5/dp/B00CJI6TTM
    Flares and smoke: https://www.wescomdefence.com/services/signal-and-illumination-pyrotechnics/

    If you have the knowledge and experience, it's easy to make your own smoke and incendiary grenades if you have the grenade heads and pins. https://gunandsurplus.com/Inert-Ordnance-Rounds

    https://rmigear.com/ordnance-inert/
     
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  25. Ystranc

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    3 parts KNO3 crystals, 2 parts fine ground sugar and 2 parts fine ground paraffin wax in an old paint can will make an adequate smokescreen (some of you old gits can substitute earwax if you wish)
    Be careful to light it somewhere fire proof as it burns hot.
     
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