Nuclear War From Unexpected Direction???

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  1. TexDanm

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    https://www.foxnews.com/science/nuc...a-pakistan-unleash-global-climate-catastrophe

    We generally think of nuclear war as being some sort of US/Europe versus Russia or the US versus China. Unfortunately, we are not the only groups with a nuclear capability with possible worldwide consequences.

    The thing that struck me about this is that the consequences of this are not something that we normally have discussed. The sudden and long term lowering of temperatures is significantly worse than the global warming issue. Imagine, if you live in the North, a winter that just never ended. Arctic winters and no real summers.

    It MIGHT be slightly better for those of us in the South but then we are probably less prepared for massively lower temperatures than those in the North and might be even less able to deal with it. How would you like to face winter in Michigan with nothing but a fleece hoody for a coat?? Also, homes in the South don't have the same level of insulation as those in the North and there are fewer real fireplaces here.

    How do you prepare for even a short period of ice age weather that might last for a decade or two? Where I live you can't buy wool clothes off the shelf. I have never worn wool of any sort. Even our coats here are cotton. It is a rather different thought and direction for my thoughts. All we hear about these days is the global warming stuff and it has always been more likely that we would have a global cooling than warming. Even a slight true global warming would probably have the end result of an ice age.

    Thoughts???
     
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  2. Pragmatist

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    Good afternoon TexDanm,

    There are and would be too many "known unknowns" in re Pakistan and neighbors India and China involving nuclear exchanges and pending cooling to browse through catalogs like "Early Winters" and "Cabela's".

    Any sudden and long-term lowering of temperatures from nuclear exchanges would typically mean interrupted oil trade flows. Pakistan's port of Gwadar, close to Iran, is the terminus of oil and gas pipelines to China. If this oil flow is stopped, China adds more coal consumption to the equation. This causes somewhat of an overall warming effect - conceding that here, too, many known unknowns come into play.

    Now, accepting the scenario, we Southerners will learn all about wool - and goose down - and leather. Fur is both too expensive and unethical as per Ingred Newkirk of PETA, Norfolk, Virginia.

    Continuing, ... watch geometric purchases by Southerners of Mr Heater Portable Buddy with hose to connect to large gas supply.

    "Where one can live, one can live well." Anon.

    More thoughts; I am much less concerned (not worried) about collateral matters of nuclear exchanges than about bio-warfare. In the nuclear arena of technology, the US is superlative in counter-measures such as interfering with missile launches, pre-emptive strikes, much more. The germs ? Forget it ! Can't even get the public to get flu shots.

    Feet Notes:

    Big town neighbor Houston area would probably see the field clothes suppliers load up on wool clothes. I got my best ultra-cold weather anti-vibration oil rig gloves from a supplier in Alameda, California, SFO Bay area - far from being a cold weather area !

    Much cotton in layers - think of North Korean troops, Chinese troops (volunteers) during the Korean War. They kept semi-warm in their thickly-padded field clothes.

    Conclusion; A nuclear exchange will surely place residential living arrangements and locations at the bottom of the list of priorities. Many here at MSF.COM would be activated for the US national response. I am an idiot. When finishing up Army service, was still ready to get airlifted to Germany's Fulda Pass area. Since I know how to do artillery recon in northern area like far north Norway, where the Meridians merge ie they are no longer "X-Y" axis, I volunteered for the NATO forward base north Norway, close to USSR border. Some senior folks heard me discuss my volunteering and a most senior person said to me in a low, profound and mundane voice: "You will be dead in about 40 to 60 hours before we join you".

    Addendum: Best wool underwear: British Jaeguar, light brown, thin so not bulky when 2nd layer added. US Army stuff OK for padding when packing Mt Buddy space heaters. Do not use the Army stuff for garments.

    Best insulator of body heat: Black Sable fur.
     
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  3. Morgan101

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    Nuclear Winter has always been a very realistic possibility no matter who drops the bombs. While the climate change would be catastrophic, the article doesn't even begin to mention what would happen with all of that radiation circling the globe.

    Texdanm: I am a little surprised that with all the hunters in Texas you wouldn't be better prepared for the cold. Any Bass Pro Shop would have everything you need. Even a Wal Mart would have everything. It might not be a bad idea to put some stuff away just in case. Dress in layers.
     
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  4. Snyper

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    "Cold" in some parts of TX means 50°.
     
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  5. Pragmatist

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    I once visited historic Army fort, Ft Davis, south of Interstate 10 between El Paso and Fort Stockton. Was there in January. Froze my non-cowboy hat off.
     
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  6. TexDanm

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    They have made a lot of predictions about the idea of a nuclear winter but I'm not so sure about it. The same people freaked when we went into Kuwait. They loudly predicted that if we went in and the Kuwait oil fields caught on fire that THAT would result in a "nuclear type winter situation. we went in the oil fields were set on fire and...not much happened. We put the fires out and things were little effected on a global level.

    I have a Yankie buddy from Michigan that came to Texas in the 80s when the Auto industry bottomed out and the oil industry boomed. H nearly froze to death that first winter and swore that there was nothing between North Texas and the North Pole but a three-strand barbed wire fence. The winds out around Ft Davis just seem to roll in right off the ice. I think that it has to do with the way the upper-level air streams dip down into the middle of the country during the winter.
     
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    Good afternoon TexDanm,

    The Ft Davis, Texas area validates the adage "Night is winter in the desert".
     
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    I camped out at the State Park there at Fort Davis in July one time and even in July, it was pretty chilly at night. We had a nice time there. The animals in the state part act like it is a petting zoo. My girls had a great time hand feeding the deer and other smaller critters.
     
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