Nyc Field Hospital W/o Patients

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  1. Pragmatist

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    https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/brooklyn-field-hospital-never-saw-a-coronavirus-patient/


    Good morning all,

    Like I've been saying, much of this is less about emergency responses to a pandemic and much more so about good quality government.

    Here we have an example of a field hospital without patients. Article also mentions hospital ship USNS Comfort.

    Yes, sometimes setting up the field hospitals is still worth it ... just in case.

    I'm posting this article to show that the last paragraph explains much: FEMA will likely pay for the field hospital costs.
     
  2. varuna

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    Its always better to have field hospital without patients rather than having too many patients without available hospital space (isolation ward capacity). Anyway around here we already running out of hospital space :(
     
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    Good afternoon Varuna,

    In theory and in primary school it makes sense.

    The field hospital, the labor to set it up and the funding for aforesaid displaced other requirements of a finite budget and labor force. Public safety and security was in need of augmentation. PPE was being begged for by those health care workers getting infected. The NYPD also was in need of PPE.

    Indonesia's lack of hospital space is a mirror of the US example. It is just a manifestation of the real underlying problem: poor-quality government. Indonesia is a large archipelago nation with a large population. There are public funds collected from the various programs. Not enough field hospitals ?
     
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    Nearly every local gov't (with few exception such as Surabaya municipal gov't) are relying in public funding. And the largest portion of public funding is mostly allocated for banking & financial sector.

    Being archipelago nation has the benefit of easier to isolate population center from one another,even in densely populated main island such as Java every population center is geographically isolated from one another by either jungle or mountain range. Which mean every municipals need to deal with the problem using whatever resources (public funding & manpower) they have. For major cities, hotels (typically 2 - 3 star hotels) are being use thus keeping the hotel to stay in business, while in rural region they just send patients to the nearest major city. Furthermore setting up field hospital require the necessary manpower (healthcare worker). And with casualty among healthcare worker has become statistic figure :eek:, setting up field hospital become impractical option even when the money is there :(

    Currently former detention center, eech sorry I mean illegal immigrant processing center is being use as isolation hospital for repatriate low skilled labours, however getting the patient there is a logistical problem on its own, typically Navy hospital ships was tasked for it.

    However lack of skilled manpower & logistic are always the Achilles'heel for those outside Java island.
     
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    Good morning Varuna,

    The 4 above paragraphs illustrate my theme: poor-quality government and their programs.

    Some key terms making up the mosaic of poor-quality government - mirrors US situation also:

    "banking and finance sector"
    "lack of skilled manpower"
    "lack of logistics"

    Outside of Java, ... no revenue-producing oil rigs in Sumatra ? Borneo Island depleted of wealth ? No export sale of minerals from Muluku Province ?

    The mentioned illegal immigrant processing center ...... why not share facilities with Christmas Island's Aussie facilities ? One of these illegal immigrant processing centers was recently built near where I'm transmitting from - state of the art, can be reconfigured for other purposes, ......

    Even in a sophisticated operation like a field hospital, there is always a need for semi-skilled labor. These problems have be corrected by some societies.

    Yes, indeed, Navy hospital ships ... they're both mobile medical centers and logistics facilities. You posted great pictures of the vessel you worked on.
     
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    Those place are rich in minerals (petroleum & fuel grade coal), however such thing do tend to breed incompetence among the policy maker .The local gov't there even willing to pay good money for skilled labour from Java, sometime even bound them by contract while they still in college here in Surabaya. Unfortunately most skilled labour doesn't want to live at ill managed place.

    I do however place (more like hiding) my money making machine (crypto miner) at those remote location (palm oil plantation overlooking the Celebes Sea, with seaside resort nearby :D). But that mostly due to business arrangement I had rather than anything to do with the region.

    A white dominated country willing to work side-by-side with human right abuser, tree & animal killer, not to mention meat eater brown coloured skin dominated country? The human right, animal right, communist right, environmentalist (did I miss any?) advocate / political pressure group going to raise hell over it. Its will PR nightmare for Australia gov't.
     
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    Good morning Varuna,

    The Philippines had been a dream palace of Asia after the US introduced public health and other attributes of national governments circa the beginning of the 20th century. Magsaysay was perhaps the last of the statesmen and then followed by the politicians. The Philippines about two thirds ethnic Malay and one third Oriental of the big demographic groups.

    Indonesia abandoned the Dutch colonial experience re the good attributes for immediate wealth and luxury living. Lee Kuan Yew recognized this.

    In conclusion, a similar experience here in the US. We've adopted "identity politics" coupled to the "Frankfurt School" philosophy; disparate requirements.

    Is there a pattern ?

    Wiccans and Astrologers have Constitutional rights also.
     
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