Pandemic Causing Suspensions In Human Rights

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  1. Old Geezer

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    I am going to make note of instances of government treating its people like inferior serfs in my own country, the USA (here, we also use the phase of "violating the U.S. Constitution" or you'll hear, "such rights go back to the Magna Carta"). It will be enlightening to hear from people living in other countries. Some government actions are seemingly minor; some actions are the overt rape of Liberty.

    I create this thread, to be a concentration of inputs on this topic. We have seen this topic of anti-Liberty dictates of Big Brother in all manner of different threads. Well now, it has its own heading.

    During this Covid-19 world-wide outbreak, governments -- local, regional, and national -- are imposing laws "for the good of the people". Sometimes these are directed at the pandemic. Sometimes the laws are part of the larger Big Brother goal of tightening its control over the people, "You peasants are basically children and we are going to do this because we in government are better than you -- plus, you need to be kept in your place so that we can extort tax dollars out of you." Basically, some laws are, in reality, a statement by government that, "You people attempt to push back against your betters and we'll send out armed forces to crush and imprison you!"

    As my first contribution:

    States of the USA begin their own impositions:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-most-extreme-lockdown-measures
     
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  2. Old Geezer

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    The Governor of Virginia has used the pandemic panic to impose the banning of firearms. For political reasons, many blame the object of violence rather than the perpetrators of violence. One political party in the United States panders to groups of people who are more verbally and physically aggressive in their behaviors and thus commit far more crimes percentage-wise than the general population. Those who are given to a marked lack of behavioral self-control vote for big government (even though felons and dead people shouldn't be voting, or voting multiple times each) because it involves their getting a something-for-nothing government check. Concept: even if you are able-bodied, breathing, breeding, and feeding gets you a check paid for by taxpayer dollars taken from the productive members of society. If you are the Big Government Party, you need the dependent class people to keep you in power, so you must use phrases like "gun violence" and continually blame inanimate objects for the violence, instead of the perpetrators, your voters. You must also engage in the telling of Big Lies to make it politically incorrect to tell the truth. You must ban entire classes of firearms to say that you are doing "something about crime" and to physically disempower those who would oppose your burning of the U.S. Constitution.

    Just a few months back, the governor of Virginia and his fellow collectivists began the process of banning classes of firearms. The citizens of Virginia gathered at courthouses of their counties and demanded that these anti-Constitutional laws be tabled (no longer be put up for legislative action). Over 90% of the counties of Virginia rebelled peacefully. The collectivists backed down.

    A pandemic occurs. "Don't worry sheeple of Virginia, we are demigods and will be your protectors eternally!" So there is the banning of the people to gather, ostensibly to stop the spread of this virus. It is true, gatherings do allow the spread of viruses. The socialists can say, you gathered for political reasons and because of that, you got sick. They can continue with, since you brought this on yourselves ("opposed us"), now you will not be permitted access to our system of socialized medicine. History and human nature teach us that government services inevitably become weaponized against the people. "Whoever owns the guns make the rules."

    With public gatherings banned, the collectivists get back to banning the Rights of citizens:

    https://thepatriotjournal.com/virginia-northam-law-5-measures/

    These "people" in government have zero gag-reflex.

    Governor Northam is a hypocrite to the infinite degree. He panders to the minorities to gain their vote, yet is a proven racist / elitist. Many refer to him as Governor Blackface. Here's why:

    https://ndsmcobserver.com/2019/02/ralph-northam-hypocrisy-reigns-supreme/

    The mainstream media criticizes disgusting elitist people like Northam, then they shut up and give these elitists a pass, because the MSM is collectivist and thus they will violate all standards of integrity. "The end justifies the means."

    Lest anyone forget:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=virginia+...ce&atb=v140-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

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    1. Blitz
      The 1000 word limit prevents me from commenting on the photo aspect, plus I'll most likely get banned, so I'll leave that one alone.

      Regarding the gun laws, I fail to see a problem with the new legislation. It's blatantly obvious America needs to do something regarding the ridiculously high gun crime. In my opinion, this is a step in the right direction. I personally find it incomprehensible that there hasn't been a requirement for background checks in the first place. And the police should already have the power to remove firearms from people who are a danger to themselves or others. Like, hello ...

      I can't comment on preventing children from accessing guns, as I don't know the circumstances, ie the age of children, supervision, etc.

      Not quite sure what difference the one handgun a month policy supposed to make, however.
       
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  3. TMT Tactical

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    A good thread to remind people that the government does not know all and almost always fails in reasonable responses. Constitutional rights vs. perceived health responses are very tricky and slippery slopes.
     
  4. Old Geezer

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    I am really interested in hearing from what is happening around the world, even in parts of my own country wherein I've never lived (never lived in Alaska).

    I can read and intellectually understand stories from elsewhere, yet only the folk from that country have perspective. From afar, I have little understanding of context. Things happening in my own area I experience, I feel, I must endure or fight.

    What's happening in your neck of the woods?!
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    Because of panicked sheeple the governor of Arkansas shut down public camp grounds . People were flooding to the Ozarks with their campers tents and bug out bags . All motels and cabin rental places have orders to not accept out of state people unless they have official business . So it appears those whose plan was to run to the Ozarks have no where to go . They should have bought that survival retreat but I suppose they had a higher priority for their money . Locals look at them as unwanted plague carriers . Rural residence are armed and watching for any out of state'rs
     
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    "Locals look at them as unwanted plague carriers."

    No sh##!!!

    "They should have bought that survival retreat but I suppose they had a higher priority for their money ."

    And also, if they didn't bring with them those supplies that they needed to bring with them, then they should be asked to return to from where it is they came. Local stores should post huge painted signs stating, "If I don't know you, I won't serve you." In one's rural retreat, one should have metal cabinets with robust hinges and locking mechanisms. I would have a security system that radio-transmits an alarm condition -- shoot, I have a motion-detector with xmitter in my backyard tool shed (so far, no moth nor spider has set it off; if home system doesn't detect handshake signal from peripherals, then it throws an error/notification).

    Perimeter: trip-wire tripped = complete battery-powered circuit = set off hobby rocket igniter

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hobby+rocket+electric+igniters&atb=v140-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hobby+rocket+electric+igniters&atb=v140-1&ia=web
     
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  7. Blitz

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    For the most part, Australia is pretty much the same.

    New South Wales:

    All major beaches have been barricaded are completely closed off.
    No-one is allowed to gather in groups of more than 2 people.
    No-one is allowed to leave their homes unless it's for essential services such as food or medical. You aren't allowed to visit relatives in hospitals or nursing homes.
    Social distancing has to be maintained at a minimum distance of 1.5 metres.
    Police are conducting spot searches in homes, though I don't know if this is totally random or people who are known to police, for example, are supposed to be in quarantine.
    Police are using drones to establish if people are breaking social distancing rules.
    People are being fined $1,000 for breaching the new coronavirus rules.

    There were a lot of people blatantly flaunting the rules over Easter with massive fines imposed:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ket-clear-breach-social-distancing-rules.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...land-Police-check-people-crossing-border.html
     
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  8. Old Geezer

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    Drone shooting

    https://www.cnet.com/news/judge-rules-man-had-right-to-shoot-down-drone-over-his-house/

    Must use shotgun and shot. Rifle bullets theoretically could cause over-the-horizon dangers, especially if near densely populated cities.

    But what about using EMP or just hijacking these intruders ...

    Jammers:
    https://www.perfectjammer.com/drone-signal-jammers.html

    https://www.jammer-mart.com/drone-uav-jammers.html

    https://ctstechnologys.com/how-to-diy-a-drones-jammer.html

    https://www.itnews.com.au/news/hackers-guide-to-grounding-drones-364784

    Here are some plans for a drone-hijacker. Some entrepreneur could begin making these and sell them on the dark web.

    https://makezine.com/projects/build-wi-fi-drone-disabler-with-raspberry-pi/

    Note that some socialist governments (including the Australian regime) have been confiscating shipments of drone signal disrupters for the purpose of continuing their rape of Liberty.

    I am having difficulty finding circuits for these blockers, but they have to still be out there somewhere -- find'em on the dark web. These links were once available online, however government agencies and their fellow-travelers placed in centralized industries have been wiping the web of "dangerous information". Catchphrase: "Terrorist groups could make use of this information".

    If you want to get rid of terrorists, go wipe-out their bases of operation from the sky or from outer space. We can surgically burn all of their electronics from our space-based weaponry. "Wouldn't that reveal our secret weaponry?!" What secret? It's no secret that we have these toys in orbit, geosynchronous or orbital (pick your poison). Shoot, give our EMP cruise missile pilots some real shooting practice -- why waste them on fake targets. Load'em with the real gear and go instill a little fear. Oderint dum metuant!

    Most of Liberty's real enemies are the shoe-shine lackeys within Big Brother, "We are doing it for the children."
     
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  9. Blitz

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    OMG that's way to technical for me!
     
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  10. watcherchris

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    I am not keen on the usage of the word... Human Rights.

    I've caught that Infamous BS er Bernie Saunders using that phrase...Human Rights... and gas lighting people in several of his election speeches.


    I am now become very wary of anyone using human rights as a debate point and in particular here in the United States.

    It is Constitutional Rights...not Human Rights.

    Human Rights can be changed by every passing gas.....oops...I mean wind.

    Our Constitutional Rights as Americans are a very different thing from Human Rights..though many would have us deceived into thinking they are one and the same ....they are not.

    Constitutional Rights are from God...we were born with them....


    Human Rights can be removed or granted by the Sovereign.....at the government human whim....changed spun mutilated.

    This Is not a feudal country as was so common in Europe..no royalty here.



    Blitz,

    As a Nuclear Worker.....I handle Uranium 235 fuel cells to be installed into Nuclear Reactors....a very delicate process.

    Do you really think our BS governor in this state of Virginia should be worried about me with a gun or a lot of ammunition ..or a high Capacity magazine ??? How about more than one gun a month...?? Seriously!!???

    I can also reload my own ammunition. I don't have to go to stores for much of my ammunition needs.


    My point in this is that not all of us run affrighted at every bump in the road.

    I've stood next to a lot of uranium fuel cells as they are guided into the radiated and contaminated reactor and seated into place...real real close to them.


    I've taken many a risk in this line of work and others....not all of us choose to run affrighted at everything we experience.
    And we do not care to be made affrighted by everything in this world..including this virus.

    Oh...we know from doing nuclear work how to take certain precautions ..definitely..but we are not going to run affrighted...and do not approve of people like this governor....who would only remove from us...our Constitutional Rights and replace them with "Human Rights" to be disarmed and defenseless properly Herded ....to two legged wildlife.

    I tell you this...not because I am better than others....most definitely not.
    I just know I think differently about a great many things....and also understand much of the history of this nation and it's Founders..as well as why it so became in their hands.

    I have been very fortunate...yea...even blessed to have come into contact with very knowledgeable elders who not only know Bible but also much of American History ....and have so taught me. A history which I believe is being denied to much of our American youth today....by design.

    I believe we are not to know why we are a peculiar nation and people in the history of this world...but only a stamped out copy of better consumers defining themselves by what they consume and or watch....not by our ability to think and do for ourselves.

    Human Rights are the world standard or non standard...if you prefer..Unlimited Government.

    Constitutional Rights are an American Standard....for Limited Government

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    And I know the name of the god of this world !!


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  11. Blitz

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    Yes, yes, yes. I have no doubt whatsoever that you and millions of other Americans are more than capable with firearms. I'm not suggesting otherwise. Neither am I suggesting your constitutional rights should be taken away from you or anyone else.

    Before you get all defensive and patriotic, I too have firearms. I too can reload. So don't think I'm coming from a place of someone who is anti guns. That's not the case at all.

    I would be more interested in hearing what you think is wrong with this Governor's change to the legislation, point by point, rather than an emotional response. I would also be interested to hear why you believe it's okay to have so many rampant unnecessary deaths from guns in the US.
     
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  12. TMT Tactical

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    Blirz, How many "Rampant" unnecessary deaths do you think we have in the USA?
     
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    A lot. I don't know the figures without looking them up, however, we are constantly hearing about either gang violence with guns or some nutter going on a rampage wounding and killing in either a school or church or something similar, armed to the teeth, usually with a semi.
     
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      See, that is the problem, you are being fed B.S. by the media. Did you know more people are killed by hammers than by firearms? The media hype and over dramatize any bad shooting and almost never report when a good person with a firearm stops a bad person. I don't blame you for your conception of American shootings but any fact finding will show all eh lies the anti-gun folks spread and how the MSN (main stream media) hype this crap. It is just like when we Americans were fed the B.S. that ALL Australians were butchering and enslaving all the aborigines. Did some bad stuff happen in Australia, yes but like our firearm issue, completely blown out of proportion and hyped to the extreme.
       
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  14. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Old Geezer,

    Virginia Governor Northam, M.D. can be called a hypocrite but that covers most of this specific political class.

    What he is most infamous for is his public pronouncement of his belief in infanticide. After a live birth, this medical doctor Governor believes in certain criteria to be used to determine if the infant should live or not. This matter is NOT directly related to the abortion issue.
     
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  15. Old Geezer

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    Mass shootings are ambrosia to the leftist media in America. News outlets use the shootings to promote their civilian disarmament agenda. By giving so much attention to these shootings, the media 100% assures that there will be more shootings because the crazies, who should be on a psych ward, are listening to the news and need to be on the news to confirm their delusions of grandeur. The media executives know that they are perpetuating the shootings, but simply see this as part of their war against individual Liberty. Individual Liberty is the bane of utopian collectivism. The people must be assimilated. A true red communist, "Spiritual rape is a small price to pay for security."
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    "Here are the top 10 causes of preventable deaths, the number that occurred in 2017 and the percent change from 2016:
    1. Poisoning (including drug overdose): 64,795, +11.1%
    2. Motor vehicle: 40,231, -0.2%
    3. Falls: 36,338, +4.8%
    4. Suffocation by ingestion, inhalation: 5,216, +8%
    5. Drowning: 3,709, -2%
    6. Fires, flames, smoke: 2,812, +3%
    7. Mechanical suffocation: 1,730, -2.9%
    8. Natural heat, cold: 1,269, +6.7%
    9. Struck by, against: 806, +2%, and
    10. Machinery: 572, -6.2%."
    https://www.safetynewsalert.com/number-of-accidental-deaths-hits-new-high/

    Over 700 Americans lose their lives each year due to bicycles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclist_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

    Hotdogs kill more children each year than do "assault rifles"

    https://www.popehat.com/2010/02/23/what-are-your-childs-odds-of-choking-to-death-on-a-hot-dog/

    To crawl up to Earth, the perverse cursed souls of those who work in the mainstream media had to first gnaw their way out of Satan's anus. They are the enemies of Freedom. They are the enemies of God. There exist worse, I imagine. Communist University professors are hideous prostitutes to eternal darkness and seduce our young people into the hellish brothel of collectivism -- plus, they charge parents and society for their rape services.
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  18. Old Geezer

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    Blitz,

    This is an excellent question....thank you for bringing it up. I believe I have a suitable response for you and the other members out here.



    And that is simply ...that a nation and or leadership which will not trust it's people to be armed...will not also trust it's people with a vote. This particularly if their long term goals are Herding. Da Tovarich???



    And this government or deep state as it is often referred...is clearly demonstrating to me that they do not trust us with our vote...
    This particularly after what happened in the 2016 Presidential election.

    The Deep State behind much of our rabid and runaway government made a huge mistake/miscalculation in that election and are severely overcompensating now...today.

    The essence of our way of life here in America is "Limited Government"...not unlimted government.
    And unlimited government is Ishmael....bondage...servitude...

    And this governor in Virginia and those who have come to power are demonstrating the very opposite...of what was intended by our founders. That they are Ishmaelites.


    Also as a licensed ham...and shortwave listener ..I knew long before home computers and the internet...how rigged was our media here in the states. Much of our media has been reduced over the years to 24/7 sensationalism.....accident chasers....and I am talking about main stream sources...not much different from the pulp magazines at the check out stands....sensationalistic.

    They totally avoid the topic of how often arms are used to protect people and private property every day and somewhere within this nation.

    What someone does not want us to be able to do as Americans is recognize the questions and ideas to resist the Herding....ie...thinking for ourselves.

    Some of us are very aware of this dichotomy/division in our media and leadership as they continue with their sensationalistic 24/7 blame game for Herding purposes.

    This President has it correct..from day one....We are Americans...and he is the President of the United States..not of the world. I was so proud to hear him so state.

    We do not need to be like the rest of this world and for good reasons...and number one is "Limited Government.."

    For I was taught so many years ago....a "limited government" means a free people.

    An "Unlimited Government" means an unfree people.


    Hope this helps.

    Thanks
    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite
     
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  20. Old Geezer

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  21. Dalewick

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    These governments also told there citizens that guns were "bad" and "evil" and that they would be far safer without there weapons. After serving my country my entire life (military and civilian), the USA's last democratic president and other democrats declared all veterans as possible terrorist. So, the fact that a group of people were patriotic enough to serve there country, up to and including, dying for their country, they are possible terrorist. This is a small part of why I don't trust or like most politicians.

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    Dale
     
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  22. Old Geezer

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    Mass-shootings are copy-cat crimes. Semi-automatics have been in the hands of American citizens for over 100 years. Production began in earnest during the 1890s and semi-autos really took on popularity in the 1920s (after WWI). American families began to disintegrate beginning in the 1960s; this was when president LBJ began his

    Here is the lowest percentage estimate I could find and this is 30% of shooters were inspired by reading about other shooters. Any sane adult knows that the percentages are far higher.
    https://ijnet.org/en/story/rethinking-news-coverage-mass-shootings-age-gun-violence

    More info:
    http://www.center4research.org/copy-cats-kill/

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    By the way, Lyndon Johnson was a very "special" person:

    "There’s no question that Lyndon Johnson, despite championing the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and signing it into law, was also a sometime racist and notorious vulgarian who rarely shied away from using the N-word in private. For example, he reportedly referred to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as the “nigger bill” in more than one private phone conversation with Senate colleagues. And he reportedly said upon appointing African-American judge Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, “Son, when I appoint a nigger to the court, I want everyone to know he’s a nigger.” -- LBJ

    "According to historian Doris Kearns Goodwin, he also uttered this cynical-sounding statement, which sometimes circulates in tandem with the “voting Democratic” remark:

    "'These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.'"

    Quotes from link:
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-voting-democratic/
     
  23. Blitz

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    Geez guys, I'm not after a political debate and nor do I need to be convinced as to the importance of the country not being disarmed. You all get so defensive and emotional about the subject. All I want to know is why you think the particular changes of legislation for Virginia are a bad thing. For example, why are you against the necessity to have a background check before being able to purchase a firearm?

    In Australia it's a given that you have to have a background check. I personally think it's a good thing as it helps and limits mentally unstable people getting their hands on firearms. Having a gun licence here is a privilege and something to be proud of. They aren't given out like lollies to all and sundry, which I consider one of the "pros" of having background checks.

    So, again, what are your (logical) views on the necessity to have background checks for firearms?
     
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      Background checks are already a federal law and VA governor is trying to infringe on citizens federal constitutional rights, to lay legal groundwork for more prohibitive laws. We (US citizens) have already seen this done in California and New York. You have to draw a line somewhere.

      My reason: You can't stop a evil person from doing evil with any laws. If you could there would be no murders, rapes, robberies, etc. The closest law enforcement to me is an hour away.

      Second: Our supreme court has already decided such laws are in violation of the constitution, so when they pass it cost money to get lawyers involved.

      Dale
       
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  24. watcherchris

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    Yes....I've known about LBJ for years. Most of such aspects concerning LBJ have been sanitized from the history books.

    I also know that he was carrying on in the White House long before William Jefferson Clinton came around.

    As far as I am concerned....its is time for our so called media to take a nose dive...from the public view. Hollywood too as well as many in leadership who are not carrying out the public's business...but only the business of the political party processes/preservation..


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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    Blitz...

    I m not getting emotional about this....just quoting the history and rationale I believe...that I am blessed to understand.

    Blitz....they can put in all the laws they want...and they will....

    It will not change the fact that they do not trust the American people to be armed...not only with a firearms and ammunition ..but armed with their vote as well. They intend to come for all the guns...eventually....all of them.

    It is to this distrust towards herding that I disapprove....and I think by reasoned history ...a reasoned understanding of history ..not just in this country but in others as well.

    All the background checks they want....will not change the fact that they do not trust an armed citizenry.
    Armed not only with knowledge ..but with their religion...and what it teaches...with knowledge...with free unfettered choices...with information....with real wisdom...not with political social bondage...ie...via a television and or movie education....by way of emotional predators....drama queens/parasites trying to herd peoples votes..

    I don't trust Hollywood to have my best interests in mind..
    I feel the same way with the media..including the famous Fox News
    And by a fallen corrupt association with the above two.....I do not trust much of what tries to pass of leadership in this country to preserve my liberties and freedoms...but sell, barter, or trade it down the toilet bowl for a vote.

    We were told to bind down our government with the chains of the Constitution. Not the other way around....

    The intent has always been to take our guns from us incrementally.


    I will remind you and the other members here to watch them closely.....as they pull this shell game to the next phase....

    For the Constitution of the United States says nothing about hunting in the 2nd Amendment....as they try to frame gun ownership in this country in terms of hunting.

    This is how you know they are lying and deceiving....gas lighting. That they do not trust us to be armed in any manner...and not just with guns and ammunition. They will try to do a bait and switch ….it says nothing about hunting.


    Oh...and they are now turning many unstable people out of our institutions including our jails around this virus business...while trying to disarm the average American.

    They are intending to manufacture chaos upon the American people...and then pass new laws to herd us more.

    Rights from God are not licensed.....ever.

    Privileges granted by a sovereign are a different thing from Rights from God.

    Privileges means you are a subject...not a citizen.. a subject of a feudal state...royalty..Da Tovarich???

    We kicked those guys out of this country years ago....sent them back to England.
    But they are trying to sneak back in ….without most catching on.


    This is not well known by Americans...today...totally avoided in our public schools.
    They are attempting to dumb us down.

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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    I do get very emotional about the loss of Liberty.

    Governments ALWAYS continue to centralize their power and the reasons given are for the "good of the people". Centralized governments ALWAYS go bad unless the people have the physical power, i.e. weapons to overthrow the corrupt government. Having the right to vote means nothing if the government can physically control you. The serfs of the USSR were required to vote -- the candidates were picked by the party who had the guns, the Communist Party.

    "Such things cannot happen in the West." They ARE happening in the West.

    Why do women no longer want to be protected by a strong man? Because whoever protects you, owns you. Human Nature 101. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    The reason that many people vote for dictators is that there are many people who WISH to be abused. In the Land of Sheeple, the sycophants vote for rapists. Ask any prison warden, who gets the most fan letters? It's the most violent rapists and murderers. Ask any marketing guru, what could you do to make your product instantly mega-popular? You put a label on your product stating, "Use this and you could be crippled or killed!" People will flock to that brand.

    Most voters are irrational and self-seeking. People vote for the "evil rich people" to be robbed and the proceeds distributed to them. This even though tax money mainly goes into the pockets of urban political machines and government paper-shufflers.

    A democracy always leads to mob rule.

    This is why the U.S. Constitution (and state constitutions, which were often based on the federal Constitution) severely limits the power of central government, makes government representative in nature, divides the government into three branches so that they can oppose each other, plus distributes power, i.e. the ownership of weapons, to the various states and their citizens.

    As just one example of why human nature morphs into animal given any imbalance of power, let us observe what happens when women cannot fight back:

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/jul/18/female-inmate-prison-sexual-abuse

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/7-prison-guards-accused-of-sexually-abusing-female-inmates

    https://archive.thinkprogress.org/sexual-harassment-abuse-womens-prisons-me-too-5231b62c1785/

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/half-sexual-abuse-claims-american-prisons-involve-guards/story?id=21892170


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    It is not our guns we defend so fiercely. It is our FREEDOM. Without the guns were are victims waiting for the government hammer to pound us into the shape THEY think we should be. The Democratic approach is simple take little bites of Americans freedom, until they have devoured the entire pie. I don't need a License to exercise a constitutional RIGHT. I don't need to pay the government to sell my private property. These types of restrictions are not applied to automobiles. Where is the back ground check? Testing, barely adequate and getting easier because too many people fail even these easy driving tests. More people are killed by automobiles, than all firearms combined. Driving is a privilege. Owning a firearm is a RIGHT, no license required!!!
     
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    One can catch a bus to the polling places. Without guns, the people will be forced to vote for the candidates chosen for them by their Big Brother.
     
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    Yeah, I read about this a few days ago and I'm thoroughly PISSED! Fuck the governments intrusion and shredding of the constitution! But fear not. I read that the DOJ will be handling the bullcrap where governors are abridging the 1st amendment rights of people and Easter church services.

    I bookmarked that anti-drone WIFi hack using a Raspberry Pi. Very interesting and I've always wanted to find a use for a Raspberry Pi. Now I have one. So far the Governor (who's gay and an idiot), etc aren't doing Nazi-like things yet. I can't tell you how many people I see walking outside, biking, etc because they are all tired of being stuck in the house. Now let me tell you. Abridge people's rights like this and COVID-19 will be the the least of a government's problems. They better shape up and quick. There's at least two guns for every citizen and plenty of ammo. If they think the military will intervene, guess who arms them and gives them supplies? Joe taxman and worker! Who happens to be stuck inside their house...
     
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    Bitch ass Nancy Pathetic wants to reshape voting to make it easier for voter fraud and keep Dems in power. Bad enough they got rid of a lot of polling places here. I wonder why? Shouldn't be like that and it's BULLLSHIT!
     
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    "Wasn't a Trump supporter. Now am a supporter." On this theme:

    One BIG change that Trump brought out was bringing out the Social Democratic Party from its nasty little closet. "We are with you mainstream America," goes the Big Lie from the Left.

    Now the radical Left is beginning to come out and actually state their diseased views.

    For instance gov. Northam of Virginia has now stated that abortion is OK even while the woman is giving birth.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/virginia-governor-defends-letting-infants-die/

    Biden loses his temper concerning firearm confiscations. Biden loses emotional control rather often (particularly grabbing women and kissing them, wanted or unwanted).

    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/202...ortion-when-confronted-by-detroit-autoworker/

    New York city mayor Bill DeBlasio has been honest stating the ultimate goal of the Left when it comes to the nationalization of American industries.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...ndustries-calls-outbreak-a-war-like-situation

    Position of the Left: "We know what is best for you, therefore you will submit."
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    Disagree with TMT Tactical here....

    Driving under a State issued drivers license is indeed a voluntary acceptance of a state regulated enterprise. It is a privilege to have a drivers license.....and by signing on the line you volunteer to accept the state requirements including insurance requirements.

    Most people are never taught what it means to "Travel under the ordinary everyday Conveyance."
    This is one of those things you are never to know...never to be taught to the public.

    I know five people who do not have social security numbers....and most have no clue what that means at law..

    A drivers license is a voluntary acceptance into a state run enterprise with all the controls and regulations the state wants to put on it.....ever changing if need be. A privilege and not a right.


    I can remember when voting was called a right...a right to vote...now days our media people call it a voting privilege.
    When did the switch take place.????


    Someone out here wants to make your rights under gun ownership to be a state granted privilege...just like a drivers licence...and they will make you take out insurance on your guns....to further bolster state controls....no insurance...no gun ownership...
    Insurance companies function as part of the state control mechanism....collecting data.

    Understand now....???

    Be Warned....

    Your Rights in this country are from God...not from the State.

    Remember what Philosophers like GFW Hegel were teaching and preaching ...and they teach this stuff in colleges....but do not teach what your Rights from God mean..


    GFW Hegell………………………...The State is god.


    Be Warned the Ishmaelites...teching the Ishmaelite religion ..and particularly to our unguared unarmored children.


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      Either I was bad at explaining or WC, you missed my point. Gun Rights and Freedom of Assembly ARE CONSTITUTIONAL rights. But a privilege to drive is not as heavily regulated. I can sell my auto without government permission. I don't have to run a back ground check on the buyer to see if they have a licence to drive or have insurance. Yet more people are killed by privileged drivers than all the gun owners in America.
       
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    Agree....with the Olde Geezer....

    One thing Trump has done is expose the left and many of their dealings in business and industry....the take ..the graft...and for this ...they hate him...


    But it needed doing because many of these businesses are vote buying schemes...and also on an international scale...for keeping and maintaining power....graft.

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    Blitz.....

    There is something very very suspect...and this kind of conduct only confirms what I am trying to state about government not trusting it's people to be armed....not just physically but mentally and spiritually as well.

    The pattern of operation which I find so disgusting is of government reacting to an event and as solution to it is so often to remove from people....their private property...their guns.

    These are the guns/property of people who have never been involved in any such incidents...they are not guilty of committing any crime..

    And government tends so often towards finding these people guilty of a "Proposed/suspected trespass....might be..might./could happen ...as justification for removing from them their private property ...though they themselves have committed no such crime...or trespass.....potential guilt by association.

    What government is doing here is securing government..not the security of their people.


    You do not achieve the security of some ..at the expense of the rights and liberties of others..

    Cattle are herded by government..subjects...and then government teaches/brainwashes their people how good this is for them.......free people are not herded by government...free people make their own choices.

    This is exactly how an Ishmaelite works...Ishmaelite = bondage.


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    Thanks for all your replies. A very interesting discussion. Yes, I can see why you are all so worried now. The incremental loss of freedom. It's something that creeps up gradually until it's gone but because it's been so gradual, it becomes the norm and nobody kicks up a fuss.

    Regarding the posts on there still being gun crime in countries that have banned firearms - of course there is still gun crime but it's certainly not at the same level. You will always get illegal gun crime, as well as the occasional episode of licensed gun owners going troppo and killing, which really pisses me off because it gives gun owners such a bad name. But that's a topic for another day anyway.

    Thanks again for such enlightening posts. Made for good reading and plenty of food for thought.
     
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    Well said Blitz...well said...,

    What government needs to be doing is laying the groundwork...to stay out of peoples business and to increase the moral fiber and or character of their citizens/people that these people become more self regulating ...not dependent on a government department or branch....for their safety and security.

    Usually this means government getting out of peoples business...not intruding into peoples business..to increase government control.


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    For those of us living in the USA, let us not forget that today 13 April is Thomas Jefferson's birthday. He was born 13 April 1743. Hey Tom, eternal thanks for all of your work, your sacrifices, and indeed, putting your very life at risk. You barely got out of your house one time when the Brits came a knockin'. God bless your man servant there in Heaven for protecting Monticello on that occasion. Even those who'd you imagined to be your patriot friends were in the pockets of the damned. My list of your tribulations could go on for volumes. Thank you so much, you've been like a grandfather to us.

    Here's some of his words:

    “Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.”

    “If you want something you’ve never had you must be willing to do something you’ve never done.”

    “One man with courage is a majority.”

    “Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”

    “Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.”

    “Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.”

    “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”

    “Friendship is but another name for an alliance with the follies and the misfortunes of others. Our own share of miseries is sufficient: why enter then as volunteers into those of another?”

    “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.”

    Source: http://www.quoteambition.com/famous-thomas-jefferson-quotes/
     
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    by TMT Tactical..

    Privilege to drive is heavily regulated....buying and selling a car not so heavily regulated. You do not need a license to buy or sell a car. To Drive in most states yes.

    Remember I said... "Traveling by the ordinary everyday conveyance."

    This is a position at law...not heard by the average every day American. This is different from driving and a drivers license.

    No one wants you to know this ...to protect the law in statutes in equity/privileges..different from Constitutional Law and Rights. This also protects insurance companies..by requiring insurance....government protection/subsidy/sponsorship...a closed shop....a rigged system.

    You know you are in an equity court when you show up and there is no jury...you are tried in a file folder...by what amounts to an administrator...Drivers license...marriage licenses etc etc.

    As to how many people are killed by drivers.....what is wrong with you ???
    You are never supposed to have enough knowledge outside of a television and or movie education to even post such a concept.....get back in the television and or movie herd TMT Tactical.


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