Pneumonic Plague - Why America Should Prepare For This Right Now

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  1. GrizzlyetteAdams

    GrizzlyetteAdams Crap Creek Survivor
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    We are facing a very real possibility of a horrific pneumonic plague that is on the brink of spilling into the Americas...from California, of course.

    One of my favorite bloggers outlines the whys and hows of it. Here is an excerpt from her post (which also gives details on the best medicines to keep on hand to prepare for it):

    https://prepschooldaily.blogspot.com/2019/08/pneumonic-plague-are-you-ready.html

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    "Bubonic plague has been making the scene in Los Angeles for some time now, and local officials there don't appear to be all that concerned about it. They certainly aren't doing anything more than wringing their hands and we shouldn't expect that they'll suddenly grow a backbone and change their tactics even when people start dying. They refuse to deal with the homeless because it is their right to live that way. Forget Oliver Wendell Holmes who said the right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins. Like it or not, the homeless fist of bubonic plague is swinging and someone's going to get hit soon. Even if the form of plague were to remain bubonic, it's still bad. But the potential to convert to the pneumonic form puts everyone in swinging range, even those hundreds of miles away.

    Yes, of course we have antibiotics to treat bubonic and pneumonic plague. These drugs and modern medical care work wonders, if the dosages are correct, if administered at the first signs of illness, and if the patient gets hospital care. Hmmm....

    Let's see: The plague is already circulating among the rats and homeless. The homeless will probably die in the street first. Some will get taken to the hospital for initial care, but as they start to recover and feel better, will demand to be released. Because Los Angeles and California have no backbone to confine them and force treatment, they don't complete the treatment, the plague spreads, and then we also create the conditions for superbugs to develop. But as long as the form of plague remains bubonic, the rest of the country can breathe easily.

    However, sooner or later in the ludicrous political environment and public health hellhole, pneumonic plague is going to appear at the party. You see, you can think of pneumonic plague as a very gregarious party animal bacteria. It shows up in the lungs, and finds itself all alone. So it breaks down the barriers and invites every flippin' pathogen in and they all work together to completely trash the lungs. Even with the best antibiotic treatment from the time symptoms appear, a heckuva lot of people are going to die. Oh, and keep in mind that this is the pneumonic form. It's now airborne. In the biggest city in the country. With the highest homeless population. With a spineless government and completely inept officials unwilling to do anything about it.

    And so it spreads. And pneumonic plague looks like a lot of other illnesses--pneumonia, influenza, etc. If you're a nice middle class person living in a nice middle class neighborhood fifty or a hundred miles from LA, and you come down with flu-like symptoms, what are you going to think you have? Influenza? Or pneumonic plague? Normalcy bias alert--most people are going to go with influenza. Until it's too late. And so it spreads further... "
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    (more at the link)

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  2. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    psssst... Doxycycline is available in veterinary medicine (fish/bird), which the same exact formulation as doxycycline for humans.


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  3. lonewolf

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    all diseases even plague needs a human host to feed on, once the patients all start dying off so will the disease.
    isolation from the human herd is the best policy, anti biotics if you have them.
    doctors in this country wont let you stockpile anti biotics if you aren't sick, there are herbal/natural anti biotics. buying medicines on the internet is fraught with danger as you don't know whats in the so called medicine you receive.
     
  4. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Grizz,

    Real good info from your blogger friend.

    Advanced-level prepper matters requires a focus on the dread diseases.

    The good news is that the plague is not the worst of our worries. It's the mosquito-borne dangers than can ... that will ... be in every rural area also. The streets of LA can be avoided; mosquitoes cannot be avoided.

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    Just got my high-octane senior citizen flu shot.
     
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  5. GrizzlyetteAdams

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    And a belated top o' the morning to you, Pragmatist, and everyone reading this thread.

    Yes, the mosquito-borne dangers are problematic, especially the likes of Yellow Fever, which has been the star of localized epidemics (but not pandemics which have the ability to affect the entire planet).

    The trouble with the stewpot in LA is that once the bacteria begins to heat up there, it has the potential to rapidly boil over pandemic-style into the rest of the country (all of which is within a four-hour transit away), and beyond.

    The other trouble is that the required antibiotics to tamp it down would quickly be in short supply. But preppers with their eyes open could have a head start in overcoming a preventable tragedy IF they have a supply of the meds. If not... well, you were warned.


    From Wikipedia:

    Pneumonic plague is a very aggressive infection requiring early treatment. Antibiotics must be given within 24 hours of first symptoms to reduce the risk of death. Streptomycin, gentamicin, tetracyclines, and chloramphenicol are all able to kill the causative bacterium.

    Antibiotic treatment for seven days will protect people who have had direct, close contact with infected patients. Wearing a close-fitting surgical mask also protects against infection

    The mortality rate from untreated pneumonic plague approaches 100%.


    This is one type of the plague formerly known as the Black Death.

    ...the Black Plague, was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people in Eurasia and peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.

    The bacterium Yersinia petstis, which results in several forms of plague, is believed to have been the cause.


    Please do research this and give this particular disease a closer look with a view to your preps.


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  6. Pragmatist

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    Good morning Grizz,

    I for got the exact quote but to prevent me from being charged with plagiarism, President Trump called Baltimore a "rat hole" or something similar. Our nation's Atlantic seaboard rat-holes give competition to LA (and San Francisco). Much is not reported.

    A prudent private citizen prepper program can only accomplish the basic preventive measures against epidemics - and pandemics.

    The basics are an immunization program and high-quality diet with basic vector controls eg a prepper's evac hat/helmet with a mosquito net, a dwelling with well-maintained windows etc to control mosquitoes, proper clothing, etc.

    Here, we seen northern Virginia and Hampton Roads prepper clubs adding a medical department. They have members from the health care fields. I once mentioned here I once had a 20 ft portable dental clinic stored behind my BOH here. A new county ordnance prohibits trailers of various categories.

    Much cannot be accomplished even by the public health authorities. Budgets do not allow for premier public health programs.
     
  7. GateCrasher

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    Based on the price for the Thomas Labs doxycycline human capsules (but marketed for use in birds/fish only) it may already be in short supply. $150 for 100 capsules. seriously?!? This might be one reason: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scri...dientDetails.cfm?AI=Doxycycline Capsules&st=d

    Checking my stocks, 196 100mg capsules with the oldest still good for a couple more years. Doxy is IMO in the top 3 antibiotics every survivalist should have, and maybe the top one.
     
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  8. Duncan

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    Here in rural Idaho, most of the larger farm stores, like CAL Farms, D&B Supply, and Western Stockman, you can get most of these drugs without any problem. Back where I used to live, we were only a couple hours from Mexico, and all the border towns had farmacias where high-quality antibiotics and some stronger NSAIDS were available. Dawn has an excellent medicine chest, including two hideously overpriced epi-pens and narcotics we'd had prescribed in the past stored in a cool place for emergencies. As far as a good source for matching patient->syndrome->organism to drug, she has a PDR, but doesn't like it that much. I'd like to find a good intelligent-layperson level book to choose antibiotics, but I can't find one.
     
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  9. GateCrasher

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    Hi Duncan. Try googling with "empiric" or "general practitioner" or "primary care" along with "antibiotics" and you should find lots of references. The one attached for example which is pretty easy reading.
     

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