Reasons Not To Rely On Technology.

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  1. lonewolf

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    today over 8,000 people reported that their Amazon "Alexa" system shut them out and wouldnt accept voice controls.
    doors wouldnt unlock, heating remained off people were sat in the cold, the lights wouldnt come on.
    thats 8,000 that reported it, many more probably were affected but didnt report it.
     
  2. TMT Tactical

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    Tech is great when it works. Not so great when it fails. Too lazy to turn on lights, lock doors or adjust the thermostat manually and you deserve what you get. LOL at the techno geeks.
     
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  3. poltiregist

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    It is amazing " especially for us older generation folks " on how wimpy the younger generation has become . Just a day or two ago on television , it showed a U.S. soldier demonstrating his military combat crawl with his body up on his knees with his butt stuck up in the air . My grandson and I good a good laugh at this pathetic soldier , and this was not presented on television as a joke but supposedly was showing how well prepared for war the U.S. is . For some of you younger military guys , Is this how U.S. soldiers are trained to crawl these days ?
     
  4. lonewolf

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    its not wimpy, its pure laziness .
     
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  5. watcherchris

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    I like technology....and agree with many of the members....when it works.

    However....in shipbuilding ...one learns that it is always good to know and or understand how to do a manual overide....and particularly when the technology does not work.

    That is one of the reasons I carry a set of lockpicks in my back pocket and have so done for many many years....now...a manual override. I have also taught myself how to manufacture lockpicks...tensioners and also lock shims.

    How to modify tools to do some things for which they were not originally designed.

    Also how to make my own antennas...for two way radio.

    How to reload ammunition...

    I have put back a abundance of files and sharpening/honing stones..machinist stones..two sided...gunsmithing stones..

    How to sew....darn socks if needed. I have put back a supply of sewing needles straight and curved in my preps...along with an abundance of thread...and waxed string..

    I am ever grateful to my mother for teaching me the rudiments of sewing by hand...It has come in handy more than I would have thought. A type of manual override.

    I reckon I have been a bit sheltered over the years in that I am not a social butterfly type but was astonished to learn how many females today cannot sew...came as a surprise to me.


    I remember going to Air Force boot camp and seeing many recruits who had never made a bed.....they had been breast fed most of their lives. I was so ignorant myself..I thought most people knew how to make a bed...and or could quickly adapt.
    Making a bed...a manual overide...
    Television and or movie education causes short attenion spans....instant gratification...

    Much of life without high tech is not instant gratification.


    Yup ...technology is great and very labor saving when it works as designed...but teach yourself what to do when the technology goes out......make back up systems...and put them in place for when the tech fails...learn to do a manual override.


    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  6. TexDanm

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    I'm not very big on the high computerized sort of technology. It makes things convienent... WHEN it is working correctly. The problem is that when it craps out you are generally left with something that isn't repairable for less than buying a new one nearly.

    I understand that for people that are not mechanical or handy that it makes things easy. It works or you buy another. It is all a part of our current throw away sociaty. I like fixing things and eventually did it for a living for about 30 years. It is almost to the point now though that things can't really be fixed. They are designed to last just so long and then fail and be beyond repair or made too expensive to repair.
     
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    Hmmmmmm Texdanm....good point here..

    Years ago....I remember hearing a lecture by an economics professor...a crusty/salty olde economics professor speaking about today's cars..

    This to the effect that they were designed to last for the number of pages in that payment book...


    I am so glad my cars and truck are paid off and also that I have scooters.

    It is wonderful not to have payments. It is almost unAmerican not to have payments..!!!

    My non Ishmaelite .02,
    Watcherchris
     
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  8. Old Geezer

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    Lazy, so true, but they are also wimpy to the tenth power.

    In urban areas and a surprising number of rural areas also, people are now conditioned to submit to criminals, to include criminal government. Me, if I answer the door, I've got a gun in my hand. I've loaded and locked on several occasions ... no qualms about doing the deed.

    When wimps meet up with life's really bad days, they panic. Criminal gangs glide gracefully in the flood waters of chaos. When it hits the fan, the monsters will live off the wimps, then move out from their enclaves to predate on the people who grow food. The latter gangsters will get most of themselves returned to ambient temperature.

    When it hits the fan, the wimps will die. The gangs that survive will be killing machines. Witness the torture murders of white South African farmers. Living in agricultural regions where EVERYBODY is armed and ready to fight is one's best bet when everything goes sideways. Church groups of self-reliant personality types will have better chances of survival. Small communities will cease putting up with aggressive people local or invading. Perimeters will be established and enforced. I know my own people -- faithful to those they love, heartless to transgressors.
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  9. lonewolf

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    I dont know about submitting to criminals, there are a few people in this rural area who wouldnt and I'm pretty sure I know which ones.:D
     
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  10. paul m

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    Agreed
     
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  11. TexDanm

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    Nearly none of the crap that comes from China is repairable. Even if it is, the cost of the parts and the WAIT to get them on most things makes it not worth while to most people. If you want something that is cheap then disposable is fine but in the old days you paid for quality and things lasted a LONG time.

    As technology has taken over the market place thing have become less and less...tough. My old washer is 45 years old and I fully expect it to out last me. My Dryer is older than that. Now if an appliance is over 10 years old and the computer dies it is OVEr because that part will be "no longer available". the American consumer though get what they deserve. They buy this crap and throw away better because it is old.

    When it comes to my survival supplies I go for OLD SCHOOL. Simple is dependable. it may not be as fast, or as flashy but it will take a licking and keep on ticking. Watches are in this place. I have my Dad's old self-winding Elgin wrist watch and pocket watch and both it will probably be good for another hundred years as long as I take them apart and clean it every few years.

    A few years without any stores and there won't be a working clock to be found in most peoples possession. I also have several wind up clocks of several sorts and sizes. My mantle clock is 125 years old and keeps excellent time. It rings out on the hour and one on the half hour. Even in the old times keeping up with the time was important.

    Weed Eaters are great but I can keep a yard clear with a plain old yoyo sickle. Keeping your lines of sight open around your place is important both so that you could see what was approaching your place and as a protection from fires.You can burn it off but if you just want a clearing a yoyo works better than you can imagine.

    ***Just as aside note...You will want to have a lot of pencils and reams of paper. In the short term it won’t matter but in the long term keeping records will be important.
     
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    The problem with technology is that a lot of modern stuff is electronic. Without the necessary skills in electronics (and let's be realistic most people do not have that skillset) once broken, one is reliant on paid services for repair.

    I feel it is often better to buy stuff that one can understand and repair.

    Having typed that I am mindful that I am doing so on a laptop :rolleyes:
     
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  13. lonewolf

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    I have never been technically minded, we have our own techno geek in the extended family so he is used whenever a technology problem arises.
    that is in the here and now, post SHTF his services wont be required.
     
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  14. lonewolf

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    I bought plenty from China pre pandemic, none of it has broken or stopped working yet, my only gripe was the time the delivery took, post pandemic I no longer order from China. my online orders are now "UK only".
    I also have a long handled scythe, post SHTF there wont be any fuel for a motor mower or strimmer.
    Watches? wont need one post SHTF I wont be attending any meetings or have any appointments and any chores will take as long as they take, for me time will be irrelevant.
    I agree about the pencils and paper, but keeping records? of what? and for whom?
     
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  15. Old Geezer

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    "UK Looks to End Traditional Ship Navigation Despite Russian GPS Jamming Threat"

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...ine-uk-looks-end-traditional-ship-navigation/

    "Even as the British government considers alternatives to the fragile GPS systems that power everything from smartphones to warships, the British authority which is responsible for mapping the oceans is set to dispense with traditional paper charts, pushing ship’s navigators worldwide to digital instead – a move a leading naval expert has called shortsighted.

    "Navigational charts, the extremely accurate plotting of the sea floor and above-surface navigational hazards and landmarks with which mariners have kept their ships safe and on course for generations, are to be phased out within years, the British government office responsible for producing them has announced. Yet the push for digital, which the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office (UKHO) announcement on the matter makes clear is a cost-cutting exercise, comes as the satellite-based replacements for traditional navigation are dramatically revealed as deeply fragile by Russia’s war in Ukraine.

    "Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) systems work by a ground-based receiver triangulating its own position by receiving signals from passing satellites which contain atomic clocks. Yet this service relies on the receiver being able to get this information from the satellites clearly and because the data is transmitted by radio it is relatively simple to block the frequency and render the device blind.

    "More alarmingly, a sophisticated attack can even mimic the satellites and spoof a location, causing the device to believe it is somewhere else.

    "This is not mere speculation. Even before Russia’s surge in Ukraine, GPS spoofing has been within the technical competence of the more determined sort of university student and the modern, digital navigation equipment of ships transiting the Black Sea mysteriously malfunctioning in the past suggested the Russians have been testing an anti-GPS weapon for some years.

    "Now war in Ukraine is back, Russia — and quite possibly Ukraine — are jamming GPS and other navigational signals to deprive their enemy of navigation and weapons targeting.

    "With disabling computer-based navigation systems clearly an emerging element of modern warfare, Royal Navy Rear Admiral (retd.) Chris Parry told Breitbart London this seems like a bad time to withdraw the traditional back-up means of keeping a ship in a warzone on course."

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  16. lonewolf

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    everything on GPS or "sat nav" as we call it down here, like was stated "shortsighted"(in the extreme) and very very stupid, but who said these people are geniuses, never trust an "expert" because most of them arent, "putting all their eggs in one basket" AGAIN! all this relying on technology will come to bite them in the bum (butt) WTSHTF.
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      "putting all their eggs in one basket" = Precisely the way to put it. Gambling is for non-preppers.

      Technology is fragile along with having too many interdependencies.

      I often use my computer for obtaining maps ... that I then print to have hard-copies. Give me a compass and a map. I've been fortunate to have lived amongst the mountains almost all of my life. If one has a compass, map, and can spot known mountains as points of reference, then one knows where they are and in which direction it is they need to travel. Zero electricity. Night? Whip out your candles or your kerosene hurricane lantern. I even have a candle (inside a little wind-protected enclosure) in my car's survival/tool kit (plus several fire starting mechanisms). My dad was the gambler, not me.
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    2. Old Geezer
      Oh, I'm printing out a map for the wife and my travels today. Been there before, but I always want to know the lay of the land and side-roads should more-traveled roads get blocked. Lord, lord! do roads EVER get blocked around here! Freaking unbelievable! Bad weather (downs huge trees) + accident-prone insane drivers = have a plan B ... and C. Got a crowbar in the trunk plus one in the passenger area = if my car gets crumpled, I'm fighting my way out.
       
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  17. TexDanm

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    Technology is great until for some reason it is NOT. A GPS really gives you a great view of where you are at in relation to where you started and where you are going. The problem is that if you are deep in the woods and your batteries die you may not have a CLUE which way to go to get home. I have wandered for miles and mies in the national forests. Not once have I ever been lost. I usually can just turn and walk straight back to where my truck is parked.

    I always carry a compass and check it regularly This gives me a good idea of what heading will take me back without having to make a total return of the way that I came. Where I just LOVE my GPS in when I'm in my boat on the lake at night. With it I can either turn and exactly trace the path that I used going out or if I know the area well make a bee line back to the launch. A lot of the lake that I live near is stump infested so strying off the established paths can be bad. Even in the river it is nice to be able to stay in the middle of the river when it is so dark that you can't see either bank.
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      If suddenly one is at five or six thousand feet and looking out can see 20+ miles away, one is exceedingly in the correct location or decidedly lost. Head downhill until you hit a stream. Follow the stream down until you hit human habitation. Friend up in the mountains, 1970s. Toyota land cruiser decides to fail. Finds hovel / shack. Knock-knock. Nobody at home. Goes in (people didn't lock their doors). "Anybody home?!" Gets chased off property by some hillbilly hermit with a shotgun.
       
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  18. lonewolf

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    my use of technology is limited to a laptop and mobile phone(not a smart phone) thats it, and I can live without either should I need to, and have in the past.
    all technology is electricity dependent, either directly or as a recharge, the electricity goes down and all this stuff is useless, they are already talking about power cuts in Britain this winter, not hours but days, that will play havoc with peoples tech, no FB, no Twitter, no googling the answer to something they do not know, Oh how they will suffer!!!:rolleyes:
     
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  19. paul m

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    Not knowing about,or using basic and age- old navigation is bonkers.
     
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  20. lonewolf

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    but how many of the general public can read a map or use a hand held compass these days? excluding some hikers and other specialised hobbyists not many I'll bet.
    knew some people who went walking on Dartmoor, oh sure they had a map, where was it? sitting in the car back in the car park several miles away thats where!!
    you just cant fix stupid!
     
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    1. Old Geezer
      Nobody knows how to use a map and compass today. Only a handful at best. Military units teach it, however even they are FAR too dependent on satellite-positioning. How anyone can endure these car dashboard talking thingies is beyond me, "In one block, you must turn left." Wouldn't take long before I destroyed it. I have always had the bad habit of breaking things within reach, like radios and such, I smash them when my anger explodes.
       
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  21. poltiregist

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    As for as a reason as to not depend on technology for survival , today I am trying to figure out why my solar system stopped working . The main function of it is to operate my freezer just in case we lose the power grid . But even if my solar system and the power grid was to stop functioning simultaneously , we still have other backups such as canning on our wood fueled cookstove and drying food in the walk-in-smokehouse .
     
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  22. lonewolf

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    in a country like Britain the wind dosent always blow and the sun dosent always shine, and modern houses that do have solar have no capacity to store unused power, all the excess is sold off to the national grid which isnt much use post collapse.
     
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  23. Old Geezer

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    We must all come to worship technology. High Tech oligarchs know what is best for us. Technology will prevent incorrect thinking. We will have to sacrifice; however, what is best for the collective is what is best for us.

    "One Dead, Nine Injured After Self-Driving Car Veers Into Traffic"

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...ed-after-self-driving-car-veers-into-traffic/

    "BERLIN (AP) – Police in Germany said Tuesday that one person has died and nine were seriously injured after a self-driving test car veered into oncoming traffic, triggering a series of collisions involving four vehicles Monday afternoon.

    "A spokesman for police in the southwestern town of Reutlingen said the electric BMW iX with five people on board, including a young child, swerved out of its lane at a bend in the road and into incoming traffic, brushing an oncoming Citroen.

    "The BMW then hit a Mercedes-Benz van head-on, resulting in the death of a 33-year-old passenger in that vehicle.

    "Meanwhile, the 70-year-old driver of the Citroen lost control of her car and crashed into another vehicle with two people on board, pushing it off the road and causing it to burst into flames."

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  24. TexDanm

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    I hated computerized technology...I made a good living fr a lot of years fixing other peoples machines. As they computerized everything the price of the appliances went up and with the cost of the computer being so high if the machine was much over 5 years old it wasn't worth fixing. A lot of times you couldn't repair them even if you wanted too because the computers were no longer availabe. It is sad. Made in America used to mean well made now things are made with a short life spn intentionally and they change things every few years so that when they break down parts for a machine 5 or 10 years old will will be NLA (no longer available).
     
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    Most preppers don't fool with fragile technologies; nevertheless here's some more oligarchy in action. The following about PayPal going demi-god was only a little boo-boo by PayPal, just a "typo" caused their policy decree.

    https://www.revolver.news/2022/10/do-not-be-fooled-by-paypal-fakeout-misinformation/

    "Don’t be fooled by PayPal’s fakeout. The company wants your money, and it wants wokeness, and it’s planning on how to take both. And unless it is punished quickly, other banks will look to do the same thing.

    "On Friday evening, news broke of a revision to the payment company’s terms of service, set to be implemented November 3 (five days before the 2022 midterm election). The revision, in essence, says that PayPal can plunder the savings of anybody they deem guilty of 'hate' or 'misinformation':

    "'The financial services company, which has repeatedly deplatformed organizations and individual commentators for their political views, will expand its 'existing list of prohibited activities' on November 3. Among the changes are prohibitions on 'the sending, posting, or publication of any messages, content, or materials' that 'promote misinformation' or 'present a risk to user safety or wellbeing.' Users are also barred from 'the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory.'

    'Deliberations will be made at the 'sole discretion' of PayPal and may subject the user to 'damages' — including the removal of $2,500 'debited directly from your PayPal account.'

    " [DailyWire]

    "That $2,500 fine PayPal planned on giving itself the right to impose was for each 'violation' of the company’s policies. Since every financial transaction by a group could be considered a 'violation' under the right circumstances, PayPal essentially announced its right to plunder the accounts of any group and any individual it deems guilty of crimethink.

    "On Saturday afternoon, just a day after the planned changes broke, PayPal walked everything back, pathetically suggesting that the changes to its terms of service were the product of a typo."

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  27. lonewolf

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    dont RELY on technology, use it yes when it is available, but post SHTF it will let you down big time.
    once the power grid shuts down and it will, in the UK the power grid is the weak link in the chain and will affect things like communications and finance when it collapses.
    it has been said post SHTF if something still works then use it to get to a place and time where you can survive and adapt when it is no longer available or no longer works.
     
  28. Old Geezer

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    I don't think that even we preppers understand to what degree most people are going to decompensate when the electric grids go down. I often compare their dependency to that of being a heroin addict. Really, am I so off the mark there?! I don't think so.

    "Normal", "average", people are going to go bonkers. Who can predict their behavior after they are cut-off from the drug of electricity. Simply having to wash their clothes in a bucket will test them. Most will experience depression. Some will get mean. Everyone unprepared will be on the edge psychologically. Most people have never cooked over a campfire. They don't even know how to build a controlled decent fire.

    I do know of some apartment dwellers out in L.A. who gathered together for a BBQ during the riots of 1993. They gathered together what guns they had and were waiting for the rioters to get to their block whereupon they were going to shoot looters (the looters got to within two blocks when their forward momentum in that direction stopped). But this is an exception. Most folk are going to lose their minds.

    Blame blame blame will turn into aggression.
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  29. lonewolf

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    most people over here will just panic, like they did during the great toilet paper panic.
    the vast majority of the population, less a few oldies, have never lived without electricity and dont know how to.
     
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  30. watcherchris

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    A few cold winters ago around here ...and one day there was a huge amount of ice clinging to everything, and the power went out across this peninsula and also over in Norfolk and Virginia Beach...

    Some places the power went out for over a week and people were panicking ....it was interesting to see. Fortunately for me I had a generator...also battery backup for my ham radio base station and radios in my car and truck...both long and short range rigs.

    If the cell phone circuits/links go down huge blocks of people will be losing it....going bonkers....they are so drug like dependent on their cell phones.

    For many of these people there is just no life without a cell phone.

    Astonishing to me.....


    Hence my nightmare scenario of being stranded on that famous desert Island with 400 people who only know how to text.

    What a nightmare.!!! Drowning in Ishmaelites.

    Watcherchris
    Not an Ishmaelite
     
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  31. Max rigger

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    If the cell/mobile/internet fail there will be panic without a doubt but people are resilient and many will shape up. As preppers we will all of course have back ups in place so nothing to worry about.
     
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    That's a good point but panic amongst the greater population increases risk of burglary and attack so it may be something to worry about in the event.
     
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  33. lonewolf

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    I grew up on power cuts . I have lived without electricity, but many have not and they will panic, we have a different generation that only knows technology and when it fails they will go to pieces.
    Humanity ( the general public) as a whole are dumb and stupid, they are easily panicked, selfish animals, if they are used to a certain level of comfort anything that threatens it sends them into blind panic mode.
     
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  34. Old Geezer

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    Back in the 50's and beyond, my dad and his brothers would communicate with short wave when out on the road. One brother had put a transceiver on a hilltop (signal booster of some sort) due to poor reception among the mountains (that brother could jerry-rig anything electronic; what he didn't have, he'd "borrow"). One brother would monitor police transmissions. There wasn't scrambling of communications in that area. Their cars and trucks had those huge whip antennae on them. I remember their radios under the dashboard. Back then they were huge tube-type units with steel casings. I was warned never to touch the whip antennae, if somebody was transmitting, you could get the crap knocked out'a you.
     
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  35. TexDanm

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    What I have done is while using some of the high tech I also have not stopped using the old things. A GPS is great but a compass doesn't require power and won't fail you at the worst possible time. A compass and the knowledge how to effectively use it is almost infallible. If you take it and a little astronomical knowledge you can navigate the world without a GPS.

    Some of the “conveniences” are almost more trouble than they are worth
     
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  36. Max rigger

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    Why don't you run both? When I'm out in the mountains I use GPS and if in unknown territory periodically cross check with a map and compass (I'm also trained in night navigation).

    GPS shows you where you are in seconds but if it hit the fan the satts would be disabled and thats where if needed you can fall back on you paper/offline maps and compass.

    Use the technology while you can, have back up skills for when you can't.

    Sadly this is the reality of some 'preppers'

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  37. TexDanm

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    I like a GPS in my car when I'm traveling but go old school with a compass in the woods. Where the GPS really shines for me is when I'm running in the dark in my boat. I can go from the launch to where ever I have lines out and then back with no problems.
     
  38. lonewolf

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    nearly all my trips dont need sat nav or a compass and map, I have done the journeys so many times I know the areas off by heart.
     
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    I'm much the same in places like the Brecon Beacons and Snowdonia...I still take GPS, map and compass (and SPOT beacon).

    I think age can influence your attitude/acceptance of technology. I'd guess members like LW and Oldgeezer used valve/tube radio's when growing up then transistor kit et al so embracing tech has perhaps been a challenge for them and a steep learning curve. People under 45 have more or less grown up with tech and youngsters like my son have been surrounded by it since their birth...its the norm for them.

    As I've said, use it while it works, have back up skills for when it don't. The internet has made my move to Spain much much easier, without it I'd have had to drive hundreds of miles looking for 'things' everything from a screw driver to a fitted kitchen because here I had nothing much apart from clothes and a laptop. Amazon Spain works as well as Amazon UK/USA, Ikea and other online retailers have been a massive bonus for setting up a home in a foreign land where I'm not yet fluent in the language.

    I'm getting to know more and more people, have made a few mates (not yet friends) and they've really helped too; time spent in a bar is not always wasted ;)
     
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  40. lonewolf

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    a lot of us grew up in a time before technology took over, sure we had transistors to listen to Radio Caroline, all the best music was broadcast in the 60s which is why I dont bother with modern musak, when we have had the best no need to bother with the rest.
    we can live without modern technology, we know what it takes and have already done so and lived to tell the tale.
     
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    There is great music in every decade if your open to listening.

    Technology has been around a long time, families huddled round a wind up gramaphone then later sat together listening to radio shows then moving forward and TV arrived with exactly the same thing happening, families sitting together watching a show. The gadgets and gizmo's enjoyed today by so many is really nothing more than a progression of technology.

    At the moment all my books are in the UK but I've about 300 on my kindle...you have to love technology ;)
     
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    In the past technology brought families together, radio and TV were family group times. Today with the advent of internet, computers and cell phones, the family no longer gathers together. Each family member spends their time isolated with their individual devices. Technological advancement, yes. Improvement no.
     
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    I admit that I almost live with a lap top in my lap but I still like the quiet of the woods though they are getting harder to find all the time. I used to spend a lot of time in the woods but over the years all of the woods around me have been cleared and fenced. I HATE that people from the cities more into the country to get away from city life and then try to make the country just like the city that they left. They put up bright yard lights so that you can't see the stars and play their crappy music loud so they won't ever hear the coyotes sing.
     
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    When very young we'd form a crew of guys and gals and drive to a nowhere place, Hickory Tree. There was a little store / gas station there where bluegrass musicians would gather. The music and the camaraderie made for an over-the-top great evening. In Southern Appalachia bluegrass get-togethers are the best of times. I have absolutely no idea of how many live concerts I've been to see. Most times they're free / out in parks or whatnot. In later decades, they'd sell records, then CDs.

    Everybody plays a musical instrument or sings. This tradition came over from Scotland & Ireland. Bluegrass is simply another iteration of Celtic music. Best if live.

    Rock set to bluegrass:











    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxFS4F-fqM

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      Steve'n'Seagulls is a bluegrass band from Finland. Bluegrass is loved across the world.



      Japanese Bluegrass:



       
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      The banjo had its origins in Africa:



      From Africa to Appalachia




       
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  45. lonewolf

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    the trouble is technology will let people down at a time when they will need it the most.
    best not to rely on it too much, minimal use so that when it fails one can move on with the old fashioned skills and knowledge.
     
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    When up in the mountains and a good long way away from towns, very often one cannot get a tower for cell phone communications. GPS works in mountainous areas, however I don't have any of that technology.

    If traveling up in the mountains in winter or any bad weather, you'd better have everything you need to survive. You can get dead quick. Sometimes it is hunters who find the bodies of those who went up in there unprepared.

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    "FAA Warns Airline Pilots as GPS Signals Disrupted Around Dallas"

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...pilots-as-gps-signals-disrupted-around-dallas

    "Flights into the Dallas area are being forced to take older, cumbersome routes and a runway at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport has been closed after aviation authorities said GPS signals there aren’t reliable.

    "The Federal Aviation Administration said in an emailed statement Tuesday it’s investigating the possible jamming of the global-positioning system that aircraft increasingly use to guide them on more efficient routes and to runways. So far, the agency has found 'no evidence of intentional interference,' it said.

    "Despite the lack of flight disruptions, the GPS problem demonstrates the risks of widespread reliance on weak radio signals from space used for everything from timing stock trades to guiding jetliners."
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  49. Max rigger

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    Be under no doubt, if it hits the fan the military will control the GPS system and this is where your maps and compass come into play; that said its well worth downloading offline maps NOW and install them on phones/tablets/laptops/PC

    The UK has just about the best maps in the world from Ordnance Survey (OS), still produced on paper or now of course fully digital and you can use them offline once downloaded. TwoNav might be worth looking at for some of you; Spain has a good mapping setup for hikers which I'll be looking for when I start mountain hiking again.

    This lot is an easy drive for me but I will need maps for sure, for me they are completely new territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Nevada_(Spain)
     
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    Agree with totally on the Max R, and there is no substitute for the Mk1 eyeball the OS map and the compass.
     
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