Rebuilding after "the event"

I think the most likely scenario would be that groups would eventually grow into communities. All groups & communities NEED guidance. No one person can guide a group or community, it has to be a cooperative system. I can lead, I can delegate. I know the strengths & weaknesses of the people in our group, but I am not here to rule. As these communities grow, this will produce our new government.
This form of government rarely exists today, here in Australia the government is NOT for the people. It is a dictatorship government that rules the people. The peoples rights are sacrificed to make the government, the super wealthy & the big corporations even more wealthy. Government here is about money & power & without a revolution or a TEOTWAWKI situation, there is no way out for us.
Keith.

 

isolation to begin with, then "tribal" local groups would form, eventually villages would be created, but I fear this will be a long time before it happened.

 

and most people when talking about rebuilding want exactly the same as what went before, why is this? this could be the very reason why civilisation crashed in the first place. i'm for starting again from rock bottom and let time take its course, it will be centuries before we get to that stage anyway.

 

this is a copy of something I wrote to a prepping friend back in June 2015 and I will repeat it in its entirety for consideration by members here:
" we cannot build what went before, if there are enough survivors we can build some form of "community" once the dust settles, but it will be a basic community, everything done by hand or by using horses, ponies or donkeys if we can find them(riding horses are no good for pulling a cart...not trained and too highly strung) if we have enough of a supply of (hand)tools.. scrounge them now ..car boots and markets and hardware stores....and have a supply of heirloom seeds.
its more likely to be "subsistence" farming more like allotment gardens than open fields and we wont be growing fields of wheat or corn, foraging and snaring, fishing if near the sea, will form the other part of the triangle.
I have always said keep it simple, trying to set up wind turbines and solar electric systems may be possible for some, I don't have an engineering degree so I'll just stick to getting up when it gets light and going to bed when its too dark to see by.
you and I grew up before the advent of supermarkets and we ate food that was "in season", if it wasn't in season we didn't have it to eat, both my wife and I have lived "off grid" with no mains electric, water and sewage, many alive today(under 50)have not and will not cope and therefore will not survive, they will not want to survive and I expect the survival rate to rocket immediately WHEN TSHTF. Ben Fogle said on one of his "new lives in the wild" tv programmes " I would not want to survive" and there will be many like that, as we have always said the "die-off" will be huge, maybe slow to begin with but will then escalate.
even if we (as a nation)could use all the land available (we cant)we can still only grow about 60% of our food-all the rest is imported, that % drops every year as the land becomes less productive ( I saw a NFU report saying as much) without imports we can only feed a fraction of the current population.
in 1750 when the "industrial revolution" began the population of this country was just over 6 million or about 10% of todays population.
I BELIEVE IT WILL BE THAT AGAIN ONE DAY".............end quote.

 

I agree. Nature has a way of controlling damage, so if the SHTF does not come from humans, it will eventually come from nature. There will be those that will want the electricity grid back up & working, & some may try to achieve that, but after such a catastrophe I think that the majority of sensible thinking people will see that we are probably better off without it, & instead we should embrace a simpler more natural lifestyle. This will not mean no electricity, for hospitals will need electricity, but it will mean a cleaner source of electricity than what the cities are using now.

I don't think that many people know a lot about the industrial revolution (which started in England), they don't realise just how much was changed. For the people in the cities this may have seemed a great advantage, but for the cottage industry it was a total disaster. Many skills have been lost & forgotten by the majority, these skills & crafts for the most part only exist in 18th century Living History groups worldwide today. I treasure my wife's spinning wheel & looms & her tailoring skills. Maybe our generation will not have a NEED for these skills & crafts again, but I believe future generations will.
Keith.

 

not for a long time it wont with a vastly reduced population, any "settlements" will be isolated and self contained.

 

different era, the "black death" sorted a few out!!
anyone who tried to set themselves up as a lord and master probably wont last long, people aren't like the old peasants they wont put up with it for long, if at all.
as the numbers fell they will find less people to pray on and will fall victim to infighting.
less people means less food to pillage and take, starvation will soon take its toll, these sorts of people don't know how to grow food, to them it comes in a plastic package, to eat something that comes out of the ground will disgust them, ergo starvation.

 

you need labour to produce the food, with a reduced population this will mean limited food production, "subsistence farming" will be the order of the day..........duh!!

 

Britain imports about 40% of its food, without imports of food with the amount of land available we would only be able to feed about 25% of the current population, that decreases every year as the land becomes less productive, without chemicals and fertilisers which are all imported less land can be used. most of the oil is also imported.
everything will have to be done by hand or if we are lucky using horses and ponies, the amount of food will be vastly reduced as of course will the population.
we did away with servitude a long time ago in this country, I cannot see anyone putting up with that again, a leader is one thing-if he or she can deliver, but a lord and master? no way.
it is true not many people are involved in farming now, but 25-30% of a reduced population-possibly 10% of what it was- is still a low number, commercially sized set ups will not exist for many years, people will be growing in allotment sized areas or something like the old "leper" strips, with a lower population we don't need as much food production, just enough for our own needs.

 

keep making it up as you go along, but basing your idea of post SHTF on "The Postman" or "Mad Max" dosent mean it will happen, WHEN TSHTF it will be completely different to anything that went before and will be nothing like what you think it will be.

 

putting the same post on 2 different threads isn't going to prove anything. goodbye.

 

in my area of the country i'll be lucky if I SEE another person post SHTF much less have anything to do with them, I live in a very low population area.

 

I do a lot of research and have done so for many years, I base my answers on fact not something off the top of my head on the spur of the moment.

 

If you are not ready post shtf your going to die it will be years before goverments will be reformed and trusted if you can not grow food what are you going to eat

 

my point exactly, we have to be proactive and be ready prior to SHTF, not waiting and reacting when the event actually happens and starting doing something post SHTF, that's far too late.
although I would have said "if your not ready PRE SHTF" you will die.

 

I am not sure I want to rebuild "society", no that's not true, I KNOW I don't want to rebuild society not in its current form anyway.
the reality will probably be that with a vastly reduced population, current thinking 10% or less, it wont be possible to rebuild society much higher than a minimal and basic "community" or village level. anything more than that will be hundreds of years in the making, after all it took humans 2,000+ years to get where we are today.

 

once the dust has settled and our basic settlements are set up, these will number much less than hundreds-more likely to be in the tens of population than hundreds.
"specialisation" is what will doom the present "civilisation" to oblivion, what we need are "jack of all trades" not "masters of one", we need to be able to do most things for ourselves, we cannot just assume that others will survive just so that we can have them to assist us.

 

don't just assume that the numbers will be large enough to enable one to have the technology they desire, chances are we will go back to a more basic lifestyle, plan for that level and nothing more, if its better than that then your laughing but as our American cousins say "never assume a goddam thing"!!
expecting to find someone to do a job that we ourselves cannot do is doomed to failure, learn that skill now not after SHTF.
"specialisation" is what will cause the collapse in the first place, that and globilisation.

 

as far as numbers go i'm in a remote rural low population area, numbers are low now, after SHTF they will be miniscule.

 

with the survival rate being as low as 10% or even 5% numbers of survivors will be very low.
post event I don't expect many, if any, other people to remain here, the ones that survive will leave and go and stay with other relatives, the place is like a ghost town most of the time as it is now.
survival groups in the UK will consist of solely family "units", whether that is a single person or an extended family. "prepper" groups don't seem to last very long over here, people don't tend to hang around and soon move onto the next "cool" thing.
a lone survivor has as much chance of surviving as a larger group, its all down to availability of resources, if a single individual has planned well he(or she) will have just as much chance of surviving as a family unit, maybe more, its all about skills and knowledge and knowing ones area very well.